MAGIC! - 82 The following was compiled from the magician's message section of MAGIC!(tm). MAGIC! is an electronic communications system for magicians. It may be accessed from any personal computer with a modem by dialing US 818-896-7450. New registrants must leave a comment with their name, address, phone number and a brief resume of their magic background to be considered for membership. The material herein should be treated as confidentially as other magic information. Copyright 1992 by MAGIC!, All rights reserved. Msg #30500 Dated 18:20:11 01-02-92 30487 <--> 30504 From: PETE BIRO To: PETE BIRO Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? This is message no. 2 of same test... don't want to just try it with one message. Duh.... bye bye... Msg #30501 Dated 18:47:34 01-02-92 30426 <--> 30513 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: JIM A Alexander is a cool guy and I appreciate your introducing me to him and Hopkins too. When are you leaving for Akron? Alexander said something about getting up with you on the 6th of Jan.!!! Msg #30502 Dated 18:47:38 01-02-92 30430 <--> 30584 From: TABBY CRABB To: MIKE KING (X) Re: LETTER/TREATMENT Thanks Mike. You were in the hospitol??? Woah dude. Glad you are back on the streets. Got the Hollywood Pictures stuff today and have looked it over but haven't digested it yet. Thanks for the eltter and I'll be getting one off to you after the conclave!! Msg #30504 Dated 18:47:47 01-02-92 30449 <--> 30509 From: TABBY CRABB To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? I read about the Vedaland move in Amusement Business about 6 - 8 weeks ago but since then my subscription has run out and it is an item at the local library for a change. Msg #30505 Dated 20:49:00 01-02-92 30462 <--> 30511 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? In most cases, the appropriate group phrase would be A Copy Of Magicians. Msg #30506 Dated 20:52:08 01-02-92 30483 <--> 30514 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: URI GELLER In the major metropolitan centers, there are a number of professional theater groups that have classes; it is not always easy to tell the good ones from bad. My rule of thumb back in New York was only to work with a person who had taught for a while to favorable response and -- more importantly -- WAS A PRO ACTOR, whose work I could see. A whole lot of people in the field talk a good game and that's about it... Msg #30509 Dated 21:45:26 01-02-92 30479 <--> 30512 From: SCOTT ALCALAY To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? After I went to a few meetings I found the OMC drab. It seems to be a club dedicated to dave berry, and there are many other reasons I find the club boring. How many presentations of a coloringbook can one stand???? Msg #30510 Dated 22:14:47 01-02-92 30495 <--> 30516 From: SCOTT ALCALAY To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Unfortunatly the jury changes freequently, depending who Bill Cosko can get. I remember the jury on my membership trial, Boy wasa I scared!!! Here was this 21 yr old kid, not really affialiated with the magic trendmiesters of the day, But I did the best 9 minets of the 15 I had prepared. the jury was Bill Cosko, Rick Rassmusson and I beleive Gearold Kosky. They only flunked 1 person that night and they usually let you walk out alone and not let the other prospects know.. Don't be nervose, these are just magicians/people like yourself. the main thing is alot of chutzpah!!! Do it and have FUN!!! Msg #30511 Dated 22:21:05 01-02-92 30505 <--> 30530 From: SCOTT ALCALAY To: T A WATERS (X) Re: COVEN? "How true!" Channing Pollak "Absolutely!" Dale Salwak to Marion Chavez but would'nt it really be a score of sorcerers or a pack of prestadigitaters???? Msg #30512 Dated 22:27:18 01-02-92 30494 <--> 30518 From: SCOTT ALCALAY To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? So PETE!!!! Ya ever gonna make it to Carlitas?????? were only in HAYWARD!!!! do i need to buy you a MIGHTY MARGARITA to entice you?? Msg #30513 Dated 22:40:02 01-02-92 30426 <--> 30522 From: PHILIP HOPBELL To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: JIM A Pete, I'm using a Macintosh Laptop as I type this. I can tell you this thing is great! As for compatible--I interchange my DOS files with my Mac files all the time. What's the problem? Software is software. Msg #30514 Dated 22:45:24 01-02-92 30506 <--> 30536 From: PHILIP HOPBELL To: T A WATERS (X) Re: URI GELLER All this is very good advice, however, I think working in an amateur theater group is even better than an acting class. In a community theater group (and I have run both amateur and professional ones) an individual is thrown into the problem of performing before a paying audience. Believe me, you learn how to duck very fast :-) Msg #30515 Dated 22:47:10 01-02-92 30466 <--> 30525 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE Thanks for the offer, Kevin. I'll keep it in mind. But right now all seems to be proceeding relatively well. Motorhome has been towed to a repair place, transmission is on its way to being rebuilt, and I get hourly bulletins on its progress. If all goes as planned, it will be out of intensive care on Tuesday and we will be able to visit it over the weekend. And Visa is going to LOVE me! Msg #30516 Dated 22:50:00 01-02-92 30467 <--> 30517 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE I assume that your audition is close-up? If so, it will probably be held in the Hat and Hare room down in the basement (not the "Museum Room"). The stage is one of the classic green tables and the lighting is very well directed onto the table. I'm not sure, but I think there is a dimmer that can be found at the bottom of the fireplace if you need it. Generally, they have the folks waiting for the audition assemble at the table just before the aisle leading to the close-up room. Then they call you downstairs one at a time. Pete Biro's picture is on the wall in the stairwell going down, so you can give it a "good luck" tap on the way in. Msg #30517 Dated 22:54:54 01-02-92 30467 <--> 30526 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Oh! One more thing - they will come back to the table up near close-up after everyone has auditioned and will take those who made it back downstairs. BUT, if they cut you off before your routine is finished, you can figure YOU ARE IN. If there are a lot of auditions, they may do that. If not, they may let you run the full set. Msg #30518 Dated 23:00:24 01-02-92 30489 <--> 30519 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Two of the same Faro pics, huh? Don't feel too bad - I've been known to buy books I already owned, same with laserdiscs, videos, CD's, etc. If it is brain fade, I remind you that I'm younger than you are. Msg #30519 Dated 23:01:31 01-02-92 30490 <--> 30523 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Crayola would probably be a PERFECT name for a drawing package for Windows! Will your Linking Rings leave stains on my Windows? Msg #30520 Dated 23:05:05 01-02-92 30475 <--> 30521 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: RANDY EATON (X) Re: ELMSLEY COUNT I did a private party one time where they had me setting up in front of a _full_ _wall_ _mirror_! Fortunately, I saw the room in advance and brought a backdrop with me! Another time, I previewed the banquet room at a hotel and found that most of the room was covered in ceiling mirrors! Set up so that I was out from under them. As to the system we use for MAGIC!, we'll need to discuss that in priv. so as not to bore everyone. Msg #30521 Dated 23:08:32 01-02-92 30491 <--> 30562 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ELMSLEY COUNT Eggsactly, Pete. The moves have got to be automatic and "don't exist no more." Only then can you put 'em into the routine. As to the cut to the thumb tip, I'll ignore that. Msg #30522 Dated 23:11:29 01-02-92 30501 <--> 30564 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: JIM A I go Sunday mornin... going to TRY to leave my car for service. And take the train to the airport... a bit nervous about time available to do it... guess I just get up E A R L Y.... Msg #30523 Dated 23:11:34 01-02-92 30509 <--> 30524 From: PETE BIRO To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? It used to be the HOT club... lots of pro's and lots of shows... and lectures, and Week-end Conventions. Msg #30524 Dated 23:11:37 01-02-92 30512 <--> 30541 From: PETE BIRO To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? I will make it, but suddenly got trapped with some schedule problems... when I get back From Tabman City... Msg #30525 Dated 23:11:41 01-02-92 30515 <--> 30532 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE Boy you better be practising with your TT between motorhome calls. I have just come up with a BREAKTHROUGH in... well, I better keep it quiet... but when the BIG SWITCH OFF is over, I will be able to MARKET MY NEW $1 Million Bill Trick. I actually fooled myself. Had mirrors all over the place too. When Tabman sees it in Nashville he will do a review. . Practice El Froggie... (I am doing it 40 minutes a day) Msg #30526 Dated 23:11:50 01-02-92 30516 <--> 30527 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE So that's where I vanished to ... the downstairs wall... tsk.... How did you recobonize me with all that hair? Oh, the names is onem. Msg #30527 Dated 23:11:54 01-02-92 30517 <--> 30528 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Remember LESS IS MORE... don't do too much... They really only want to know if you are really a magician and not just talkin' the game. . How do they test collectors? Producers? Writers? Duh? Msg #30528 Dated 23:11:59 01-02-92 30517 <--> 30533 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE You better watch out, you better not shout the bill switch is coming to town... Maybe will market it before we go to LV. Got to Call JOE in the mornin.... Msg #30529 Dated 23:12:45 01-02-92 30492 <--> 30567 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NEW BOOKS Carney did a good book. If you want to make it "Book of the Year" I suggest that you do it for 1991. This is 1992, dude. Msg #30530 Dated 23:13:27 01-02-92 30493 <--> 30531 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? Nathan inspired one today - "A Wooga-Wooga of Magicians." By the way, he has a theory that maybe I should ask Max and T A about. He is convinced that magic words get used up! I guess it is sorta like their batteries die or something. He says you have to change 'em once in a while. Msg #30531 Dated 23:15:28 01-02-92 30505 <--> 30537 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: COVEN? Yeah, a "Copy" of Magicians. You have any info on Nathan's notion that magic words loose their power over time? Msg #30532 Dated 23:20:55 01-02-92 30525 <--> 30539 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE Just waxed my TT. Bill switch should go like greased lightening now. Msg #30533 Dated 23:21:34 01-02-92 30526 <--> 30534 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE I think that over the years they have been deftly removing hair from your picture. As I recall, your Goodyear guests called my attention to your pic. being down there. P.S. - Your buddy "Doc" had said he was gonna invite us for a ride on the blimp. Ain't heard any mo. Msg #30534 Dated 23:23:32 01-02-92 30527 <--> 30535 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE I've often wondered how the "test" goes for the collectors, historians, producers, writers, etc. Don't have an answer for you, maybe someone else does? Msg #30535 Dated 23:24:37 01-02-92 30528 <--> 30548 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Let me guess how this incredible new bill switch of yours works - you use a third hand! Msg #30536 Dated 0:03:52 01-03-92 30514 <--> 30552 From: T A WATERS To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X) Re: URI GELLER There is no substitute for live performance, true -- but one should get at least SOME training BEFORE venturing forth onto the stage. Msg #30537 Dated 0:05:01 01-03-92 30531 <--> 30538 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? Oh, I can think of seven that don't... Msg #30538 Dated 0:10:04 01-03-92 30537 <--> 30557 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: COVEN? Hmmmmm... Seven magic words that don't loose their power over time. Should I risk even asking for more info on this one? I once did write an essay entitled "Watch Out For Six Word Sentances" for a publication. Some of my favorites were things like "The Check Is In The Mail." OK, T A, I'll take the risk - what about those seven words? Msg #30539 Dated 1:25:20 01-03-92 30391 <--> 30553 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE Bummer on the camper ! How was Anza-Borrego (one of my favorite spots) - did you hike up into the Palm Canyon ? Glad you at least mad e it back. Hang in there, it's going to be a good year - believe ! Msg #30541 Dated 1:25:25 01-03-92 30390 <--> 30546 From: JERRY BURTON To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Why would you assume no zero in vedic mathematics ? . The course I saw was a comparison of Set Theory based on the Veda teaching. They also have Veda Physics, Chemistry, etc. Haven't you ever heard of Maharishi University ? It real - no joke ! Msg #30543 Dated 1:25:32 01-03-92 30412 <- From: JERRY BURTON To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: UNIVERSE I totally concur on the missing mass - I spent both Thanksgiving and Christmas at my Mother's house for dinner, and you know how they are about cleaning your plate. . Bizarre. Msg #30544 Dated 1:25:36 01-03-92 30413 <- From: JERRY BURTON To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: FLASHING MAGICIANS I think knowing where to look and 'knowing' when the move is made is different than 'flashing'. Flashing to me shows that the person isn't taking care of the angles or is trying something they shouldn't be showing in public yet. For example, doing a double lift and having the cards jogged apart is a 'flash' to me. A double lift is supposed to be 2 cards shown as one, but if I see that they are really 2 it ruins the whole effect. . I may be able to detect the 'when' of a move, but not the 'what',that is still magic to me. Msg #30546 Dated 3:13:02 01-03-92 30494 <--> 30549 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Pete, I am intending to be at the Castle on the 19th, so I'll just bring a copy of the Moschen tape then. Suits? Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30547 Dated 3:13:06 01-03-92 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: STAN LAKE (X) Re: OKAY? Stan, Haven't seen your ascii across the screen lately, and am just checking to make sure everything is okay. Happy new year to you! Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30548 Dated 3:13:16 01-03-92 30495 <--> 30551 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Pete, I can be the same way with a musical performance (depending on the magnitude of the performance), but this IS the new stuff for me. The audience will never see a sliver of nervousness in my perfornace. Of that I am certain. I've done this performing thing before. Just not quite this venue. I see that the application asks for personal references. What is the purpose of that? Am I being judged by who I know? Thanks! Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30549 Dated 3:13:23 01-03-92 30496 <--> 30550 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Pete, I greatly look forward to meeting you on the 19th. I realize that there is a chance you won't make it, but it is still worth the effort. See you there. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30550 Dated 3:13:28 01-03-92 30497 <--> 30558 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Pete, I don't know exactly where the real world is, but I keep bumping my nose into it. I gotta find out so I can avoid it from now on. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30551 Dated 3:13:33 01-03-92 30510 <--> 30554 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Scott, Chutzpah I have in abundance. The general consensus seems to be to just project an air of confidence. I have all original presentation (no canned patter, and effects which I believe are mine) which give me a little more confidence. I've been performing it for anyone who is unwise enough to get someplace that they can't get out of for 10 minutes. I think I am set, but will know on Tues. Thanks for the message! Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30552 Dated 3:13:40 01-03-92 30514 <--> 30637 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X) Re: URI GELLER Philip, Having done a fair bit of community theatre work (both in front of and behind the curtain) I find that I agree with you. All the advice and guidance in the world doesn't prepare you for audience reaction, be it good or bad. The first time I saw myself act (on video cassette) I was TERRIFIED at how bad I was. Everyone assured me that I had done fine, but I don't know what they were looking at. Like anything, it takes time and work. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30553 Dated 3:13:47 01-03-92 30515 <--> 30560 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE David, I have already made the people at VISA and the people at DISCOVER very happy. With luck, this year, I won't be giving the interest-ed people so much to be happy about. Just yell if you need another driver, a ride, or whatever. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30554 Dated 3:13:52 01-03-92 30516 <--> 30555 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE David, When I made the appointment, I was not asked what sort of magic I was intending on doing. I certainly hope that provisions for close-up are available. Is the table situated so that the performer can stand up during the routine? Thanks again for the info! Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30555 Dated 3:13:58 01-03-92 30526 <--> 30556 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Pete, Where did you vanish from? Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30556 Dated 3:14:03 01-03-92 30527 <--> 30566 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Pete, My set is intended to show that I know a bit about magic. My first effect I force 4 cards on 4 different members of the audience in 4 different ways. (One of which I think I invented.) I am trying to show a basic knowledge of magic, and a competency in delivering it. I hope that is the right approach. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30557 Dated 3:14:09 01-03-92 30538 <--> 30577 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? David, As my machine downloaded the messages I saw your phrase to T.A. "what about those seven words?" and immediatly thought of the George Carlin routine. Was relieved to find out what you were talking about.Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30558 Dated 3:14:14 01-03-92 30541 <--> 30570 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Jerry, I guess I'me leading a sheltered life. No, I am not familiar with the Maharishi University. About the only thing I know about the Maharishi is the experiences with the Beatles. I assumed no zero because the concept of zero is generally attributed to the arabic system of numbers which dates back to about the first millenium whereas the vedas were written about 1500 to 500 b.c.e. Okay, Babylonians had a symbol for the absence of a number in base 60, but they didn't use it in their numeration system. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30560 Dated 7:08:46 01-03-92 30365 <--> 30578 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE Sounds like a keyboard error to me...I suggest that you hit the F1 key immediately. Otherwise you should hold the keyboard in a mechanic's grip and pinch it. Msg #30562 Dated 8:08:38 01-03-92 30520 <--> 30575 From: RANDY EATON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ELMSLEY COUNT Geez! That would be interesting to work with. . I'll just leave you some private mail about the BBS. Randy Msg #30564 Dated 8:16:36 01-03-92 30522 <- From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: JIM A OK. Get up about five hours early and NO PROBLEMO. I'll be seeing you on Wednesday I think it is (will check my notes). Will call Richard Street and try to set something up for David Price's place on Wednesday. G'luck!! Msg #30565 Dated 8:44:02 01-03-92 30431 <--> 30585 From: GENO MUNARI To: MIKE KING (X) Re: NEW CLUB Mike, thanks very much for the offer. We are in a new small showroom upstairs. It seats about 95, and is real cutsey. We are just into our second week and getting ready for press night. We might be changing the name of the show slightly to reflect more variety to to general public. But I think it will be OK in a few more weeks....... Msg #30566 Dated 8:44:13 01-03-92 30380 <--> 30579 From: GENO MUNARI To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Just sell yourself and go slow.......the simplest effect if presented in your style will work great......and don't forget eye contact, look them right in the eye and sell, sell, sell. Good Luck. Msg #30567 Dated 8:44:21 01-03-92 30410 <--> 30576 From: GENO MUNARI To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X) Re: NEW BOOKS Charlie, I am interested in the Neale book and also trying to located a copy of the Jarrett book printed many years ago. Any suggestions? Msg #30568 Dated 8:44:28 01-03-92 -> 30626 From: GENO MUNARI To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MUSIC CITY CONCLAVE Hoping to see you in the south next week, and talk Magic, sleep Magic , eat Magic, sing Magic, and talk and do nothing but Magic. Msg #30569 Dated 8:44:36 01-03-92 From: GENO MUNARI To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: MUSIC CITY I received everything and really enjoyed the brochure, very gripping material.......se ya soon.......ya hoooooo, the yankees are coming to the hills.... Msg #30570 Dated 8:44:46 01-03-92 30399 <--> 30573 From: GENO MUNARI To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? What does Moschen do? Love to see his stuff. Msg #30571 Dated 8:44:52 01-03-92 30409 <--> 30697 From: GENO MUNARI To: DOUG SMITH (X) Re: LV SHOW Thanks Doug, I am working on it.....I will convey the message to Melinda.......... Geno Munari, however maybe I'll change it to what you wrote, Genounari...it sounds magical! Msg #30572 Dated 8:45:07 01-03-92 -> 30628 From: GENO MUNARI To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TOP LIST I can't wait to show Lance! You does has gutz! Msg #30573 Dated 8:50:07 01-03-92 30518 <--> 30574 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Now for the bad news. I got out the scrapbook that I keep my post card collection in to put in ONE of the Faro cards... and I already owned it! Now I got three of 'em. And the one I already had was only about 40-percent of the money. I got 2 to trade or sell now! It would almost be worth going back to San Francisco and showing the guy 2 of them, and trade 'em in on some other gambling cards. ARgh.... Job interview today and I woke with Migrane! . The END is near! Msg #30574 Dated 8:50:17 01-03-92 30519 <--> 30599 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Crayola? I meant Crayon. Crayola is (R) name... tsk... Msg #30575 Dated 8:50:20 01-03-92 30521 <--> 30604 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: ELMSLEY COUNT I found my 'rubber' TT with a slit init for doing the salt trick. What a dumb item... argh... Msg #30576 Dated 8:50:24 01-03-92 30529 <--> 30625 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: NEW BOOKS It hasn't been equalled yet, it could be the book of the past four and next 1/2 year... (mine might make it out this year)! ;+) Msg #30577 Dated 8:50:28 01-03-92 30530 <--> 30597 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? Do you think that happens to CHANTS too? (They get used up) Msg #30578 Dated 8:50:30 01-03-92 30532 <--> 30582 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE But will it baffle me? If I know the method you lose. Looks like I can't lose as the method is totally new and indetectable. Boy, if you only knew how many approaches I worked on over the holidaze... Msg #30579 Dated 8:50:35 01-03-92 30533 <--> 30580 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE You gots to ask him if it is "set"... 216-796-2121 Or 1212? is the switchboard at Goodyear. Msg #30580 Dated 8:50:39 01-03-92 30534 <--> 30581 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE My test was simple. "Have you got the money for the initiation fee?" That was it... Msg #30581 Dated 8:50:43 01-03-92 30535 <--> 30590 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Better than that. Seriously, I have really come up with something different. Not joking with you. And I believe it is really a strong item that could be sold. I just HAD to come up with new thinking as I have made such a fuss. Can't wait to try on Tabman, et al. Msg #30582 Dated 8:50:48 01-03-92 30539 <--> 30586 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE Jer... I have REPLACED "WAITQUIET 3 FOREVER" with "WAIT FOR MENU" and it works like a charm now... no more error messages and it logs off in a snap... did so with both (I think)? Msg #30583 Dated 8:50:58 01-03-92 -> 30670 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: SCRIPT Actually it was "waitfor menuG got that was funny I typed waitfor (etc) and the error 9, etc message just appeared here on the screen? Help!!! as well as line 2 ??? Who is out there...???? bye before more ghosts butt in... Msg #30584 Dated 8:52:11 01-03-92 30502 <- From: MIKE KING To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: LETTER/TREATMENT Best of luck with the conclave. Talk to ya later. MIKE. Msg #30585 Dated 8:52:57 01-03-92 30565 <- From: MIKE KING To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: NEW CLUB Hope all goes the way you want it to. Again, just ask, and I'll do all that I can. Msg #30586 Dated 9:27:32 01-03-92 30539 <--> 30587 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE We didn't hike up into Palm Canyoon on this trip, took the Split Mountain trail past one of our favorite anticlines and all the way out to Olla Wash. Have you done that trip? Msg #30587 Dated 9:29:36 01-03-92 30553 <--> 30588 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE Thanks, Kevin. Right now it looks like we have all the bases covered, but will certainly let you know if that changes. Msg #30588 Dated 9:34:11 01-03-92 30578 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HH HEE LLLP ME EEE Hey! Nothing in the rules said I have to baffle you! Rules said I just gotta impress the neutral judge! And that said neutral judge is not to know in advance what we is doin'. Msg #30589 Dated 9:36:41 01-03-92 30476 <--> 30607 From: MARVIN STERN To: MIKE KING (X) Re: HI THERE! Mike: Don't think message 30476 is for me. Getting a little senile??? Msg #30590 Dated 9:38:41 01-03-92 30472 <--> 30593 From: MARVIN STERN To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Best part is that they let you know that eveing. Good luck. Msg #30593 Dated 9:59:27 01-03-92 30554 <--> 30594 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE I guess that they assume that most folks do close-up. And I think you have a few moments to arrange the table/chairs/your props to suit yourself. Usually, that room has space for a chair between the fireplace and the table - I don't know of any reason you can't stand up. I presume you could work the room any way that you want. When I did my audition there were about seven people there and they were most curteous. One thing, if you have a drink in your hand - DO NOT set it on _the_ table! Those are fancy, expensive surfaces! The Chairman of the committe has been known to put his drink on the table, but doesn't allow anyone else to do so! Msg #30594 Dated 10:04:31 01-03-92 30579 <--> 30595 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE OK, Will call him someday. I understand that right now the blimp is down for repainting. They're gonna do it in Goodyear Blue and Yellow. Msg #30595 Dated 10:05:33 01-03-92 30580 <--> 30596 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE You got lucky, Biro. They made the rest of us perform. The night I went for my audition I think that 4 made it in and two got shot down. Msg #30596 Dated 10:06:25 01-03-92 30581 <--> 30609 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Hey, now you've got ME interested in how you are gonna do your bill switch! I get 10% for inspiring it, right? Msg #30597 Dated 10:07:57 01-03-92 30557 <--> 30598 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: COVEN? Yeah! But I still have my doubts as to what T A has in mind! Msg #30598 Dated 10:09:05 01-03-92 30577 <--> 30623 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? Hmmm.... "Used up chants" -- That could explain a lot of things! Msg #30599 Dated 10:10:45 01-03-92 30558 <--> 30600 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Maharishi University IS real. I interviewed one of their graduates for a job one time. Msg #30600 Dated 10:11:55 01-03-92 30573 <--> 30601 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Go kill 'em on that interview, dude! Hope you wore that incredibly good suit I saw on you that time. Take the Faro cards back to the guy and tell him the mojo in 'em is used up. Msg #30601 Dated 10:12:58 01-03-92 30574 <--> 30608 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Yep, I was gonna toss the (R) after Crayola, but I figured you could make a deal with Binney & Smith Inc. If you do a deal, go for the classic colors. Msg #30604 Dated 10:22:52 01-03-92 30575 <--> 31040 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: ELMSLEY COUNT Yeah, rubber thumb tip with slit in it is dumb. Can just cut a slit in your real thumb. And the salt feels so GOOOOOOD that way too! Msg #30606 Dated 11:21:35 01-03-92 -> 30611 From: MARVIN STERN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X) Re: LUNCH I assume that with all this rain, that you are not driving into Hollywood for lunch today. Shouldn't let a little water scare you. Msg #30607 Dated 11:24:09 01-03-92 30589 <- From: MIKE KING To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: HI THERE! Have to go back in the thread. Not sure what 30489 said. Sorry if I offended. Msg #30608 Dated 12:50:06 01-03-92 30523 <--> 30619 From: SCOTT ALCALAY To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Thats what I heard about it....Boy was I disappointed! Msg #30609 Dated 12:51:05 01-03-92 30551 <--> 30618 From: SCOTT ALCALAY To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Also, another point of Chutzpah.....Besure to toss out lots of names and book titles....they like to see an informed member! Msg #30610 Dated 12:52:47 01-03-92 -> 30612 From: SCOTT ALCALAY To: SYSOP Re: MCGAME Hey Now David! I d/l the MCGAME and all I got was a bunch of text!?!?!?!? any advice for my mac??? I have now 4 meg ram!!!!! Msg #30611 Dated 13:03:02 01-03-92 30606 <--> 30614 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: LUNCH I probably would have enjoyed being at lunch today, but I am running daycare today. Right now, I'm logged on to MAGIC! and Nathan is running a game called Playroom on his computer. After our naps, we're going to make Jello (R), since Nathan has decided that's what I'm getting in lieu of Birthday Cake for my Birthday tomorrow. Msg #30612 Dated 13:06:53 01-03-92 30610 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X) Re: MCGAME MCGAME.ASC _IS_ the Basic program for the game in _text_ form. I don't know Macs, but you probably do the same thing as you do with MS-DOS - load it into Basic and save it back out. Saving it back out will automatically (I presume on a Mac) "tokenize" it. Then, if you have a MacBasic (or whatever you folks call it) compiler, you should be able to compile it. If it runs OK compiled, maybe you can put the compiled version in the files so we can make it available to other Mac users. Msg #30614 Dated 13:56:00 01-03-92 30611 <--> 30632 From: MARVIN STERN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: LUNCH HOW DO YOU STICK CANDLES IN JELLO(R)? Happy birthday--which one? Best. Msg #30616 Dated 14:24:26 01-03-92 From: MARVIN STERN To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X) Re: THREAD If it's Spirit Theater, I have it. Msg #30618 Dated 15:40:44 01-03-92 30566 <--> 30620 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Geno, Thanks for the advice. If not for the helpful advice and information from the people on this board, this could be a truly terrifying experience. Glad that you're show is doing well. I've got to come up and see it. Maybe sometime in the next week or two. Will let you know. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30619 Dated 15:40:50 01-03-92 30570 <--> 30624 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Geno, Michael Moschen is a juggler/choreographer/performance artist. I am not so jazzed with modern dance, so I am understandedly more interested in his juggling and dextral manipulations. The show was on PBS so I can't think of any sin in copying it. Would you like one? Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30620 Dated 15:40:55 01-03-92 30581 <--> 30621 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Pete, Any chance of getting a preview of the bill switch at the Castle? Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30621 Dated 15:41:00 01-03-92 30590 <--> 30622 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Thanks. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30622 Dated 15:41:04 01-03-92 30593 <--> 30633 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE David, I had the unpleasant experience of learning about most faux paxs as an adult. The one advantage to this is the severity with which I deal with my own manners. I'll be certain not to ring "drink rings" on any surfaces at the castle. (At least, not until I'm in ) Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30623 Dated 15:41:10 01-03-92 30597 <--> 30648 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? You're right. I'll wait until we find out what those seven little words are. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30624 Dated 15:41:14 01-03-92 30599 <--> 30627 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? I just wonder what sort of stuff they teach there. Is it a religious college, or a metaphysical university? Is there quantum mechanics, or is Shroedinger's cat reborn at the university? Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30625 Dated 15:42:24 01-03-92 30567 <--> 30640 From: PETE BIRO To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: NEW BOOKS Jarrett Book! Hah! Good luck... actually almost all the info. is in Steinmeyer's book on Jarrett. Mebbe even BETTER, other than as a Collector's Item! . See you in Music City!! Msg #30626 Dated 15:42:31 01-03-92 30568 <- From: PETE BIRO To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: MUSIC CITY CONCLAVE Boy do you sound B O R I N G . . . Msg #30627 Dated 15:42:33 01-03-92 30570 <--> 30634 From: PETE BIRO To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Michael Moschen is a very classy VERY ORIGINAL "artistic" juggler. Of the highest order! Msg #30628 Dated 15:42:37 01-03-92 30572 <- From: PETE BIRO To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: TOP LIST If you show/talk to Lancman about my list... tell him my THINKING... WHICH IS... the First HALF of the show wardrobe is PERFECT... After the nutty Juggler, I believe Lance WOULD be stronger in NON TRADITIONAL "MAGICIAN" WARDROBE... Not to copy Copperfield, but to get a "fresh look" -- then at the end, the Formal look can come back for the Sword scene to MATCH the look of the period that set reflects. Just my FUMBLE opinion! Msg #30629 Dated 15:42:46 01-03-92 -> 30671 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: SCRIPT Ee;30582 Did the change to the SCRIPT message come thru? I got a BLANK when I just re-logged on. What I did was change waitquiet 3 forever to waitfor "menu" -- which worked FINE... and then all I had to do is type G and Enter which Exited me... One stroke ain't bad! Msg #30632 Dated 16:01:50 01-03-92 30614 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: LUNCH RE: How do you stick candles in Jello(R) ANS: Very carefully. Thanks for the Birthday wishes. Msg #30633 Dated 16:06:08 01-03-92 30622 <--> 30642 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Right! Once you are a member you can place your drink anywhere but the green tables! And you can attend lectures AND even get past T A and into the Library! Msg #30634 Dated 16:07:48 01-03-92 30624 <--> 30639 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? I think they teach a variety of things, somewhat tempered by their religious views, although I don't know much about the place. I don't know if Shroedinger's cat is allowed to wander around or not; don't know if he is considered acceptable there. Msg #30637 Dated 16:32:04 01-03-92 30536 <--> 30638 From: PHILIP HOPBELL To: T A WATERS (X) Re: URI GELLER I agree that training is a good idea and many "Little Theater" groups offer very good class work (sorry for the bad sentence). Msg #30638 Dated 16:35:51 01-03-92 30552 <--> 30686 From: PHILIP HOPBELL To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: URI GELLER When I look at the photos taken of me when I was acting I blush (they didn't have video tape (consumer that is) back then. But it is important to get that mental image of yourself. It's part of what Burger calls the character process (getting the mental image that is--jeesh I can't write at all today and just look at that typo above! Go figure). Msg #30639 Dated 17:40:46 01-03-92 30558 <--> 30647 From: MAX MAVEN To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Your information is not correct. Zero, in its "modern" form, was first devised in India by Hindu mathematicians in the seventh century. Msg #30640 Dated 17:41:57 01-03-92 30576 <--> 30641 From: MAX MAVEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NEW BOOKS The Carney book is excellent, but hardly stands alone among the books published in the past four years. There are several others -- within 1991 alone -- which are also top-notch. Msg #30641 Dated 17:43:29 01-03-92 30625 <--> 30643 From: MAX MAVEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NEW BOOKS What do you mean, "almost all the info" -- ? The Steinmeyer book _is_ the Jarrett book, with much worthwhile annotation and added illustrations. Msg #30642 Dated 18:59:56 01-03-92 30620 <--> 30650 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE If I am still interested in it... might be onto something else ;+) ...can't tip to Frog... until the great TIP OFF!!!! Msg #30643 Dated 19:00:00 01-03-92 30640 <--> 30644 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: NEW BOOKS You are probably right... but for ME, Carney has the best book out in a looooong time... Msg #30644 Dated 19:00:04 01-03-92 30641 <--> 30694 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: NEW BOOKS Without going the the Shelf to see HOW MUCH of JARRETT was, indeed, in Jim's book, I just "generalized"... I never made a side-by-side comparison... Mainly, figure if Geno (or anyone) is interested in the Jarrett MATERIAL, instead of wanting the original book as a collector's item... THEN THEY SHOULD BE THRILLED AND DELIGHTED THAT STEINMEYER wrote what he did! A must! Flying to Ohio Sunday, couple of days later to Tabman City... see you there... Msg #30645 Dated 19:00:12 01-03-92 -> 30672 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: RDMAGIC Ee;30641 I finally loaded the latest RDMAGIC to my laptop... but it still has the OLD Procomm init... and the SCRIPTS wouldn't load. Got to check see if there is enough disk space (2meg remember) to put the new Procomm Plus in here... then will be in fatcity.... Msg #30647 Dated 20:08:46 01-03-92 30639 <--> 30649 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? There is a wonderful little scene in Saul Bass' Why Man Creates. Cartoon character #1 (really speaking to himself): "Allah be praised! I've invented the Zero!" Second character: "What?" First character: "Nothing, nothing." Msg #30648 Dated 20:37:56 01-03-92 30538 <--> 30654 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? Ask George Carlin... Msg #30649 Dated 20:41:19 01-03-92 30624 <--> 30660 From: T A WATERS To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Whether Schrodinger's Cat is born at MIU (me-ew) depends, of course, on whether or not you look inside the box... Msg #30650 Dated 20:44:04 01-03-92 30527 <--> 30651 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Gee, I don't know about producers and writers, but they test collectors by whether all three selections end up between the four Kings...;-) Msg #30651 Dated 20:46:33 01-03-92 30548 <--> 30653 From: T A WATERS To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Naturally you will want to be accepted, and you almost certainly will be -- BUT, if it should happen that you aren't, don't take it as any kind of reflection on the quality of your work; it just means that, on this particular occasion, these guys didn't go for it. I have known of good performers who didn't pass first time, and total incompetents who breezed right through. In fairness this may not still be the case -- I don't know who is on the membership committee at the moment. Just -- don't take this too seriously. Msg #30652 Dated 20:51:12 01-03-92 -> 30663 From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: YOUR NEW SHOW I plan to be in your town this coming Tuesday thru Thursday. Was thinking of seeing your new show at the Continental on Tuesday evening. Hope it's not dark....will you be there? Msg #30653 Dated 20:53:40 01-03-92 30622 <--> 30661 From: T A WATERS To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Once you're a member, drink rings in the Castle proper may or may not be a faux pas; in the Library....THEY'RE CAPITAL OFFENSES!!! Msg #30654 Dated 20:55:41 01-03-92 30511 <--> 30655 From: T A WATERS To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X) Re: COVEN? You'd have to elaborate on the Pollock quote -- but I suppose "pack" would be appropriate for a group of prestidigitators; "pack" usually means a group that follows a leader and do whatever he does... As to a "score of sorcerers"....do they? Msg #30655 Dated 20:57:50 01-03-92 30530 <--> 30656 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? Within traditional (real) magic, he is absolutely correct, which is why real magicians do not often reveal their True Names. Perhaps Nathan would be better off studying Regardie and Gray than Vernon and Carney. Msg #30656 Dated 20:59:25 01-03-92 30531 <--> 30657 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? See previous. Msg #30657 Dated 21:00:05 01-03-92 30597 <--> 30658 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? No -- he's right... Msg #30658 Dated 22:32:55 01-03-92 30648 <--> 30659 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: COVEN? Oh, Carlin's words. Hardly magical. Msg #30659 Dated 22:34:07 01-03-92 30655 <--> 30664 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: COVEN? Most interesting, T A! I'd thought that real magi didn't reveal their True Names because it gave someone else power over them, not because it used up the power. Yeah, I guess I'd better put him on to Regardie and Gray and stop worrying about his false shuffles. But if he sends our collection of Native American pottery flying, I'm gonna be more than a bit annoyed. Msg #30660 Dated 22:51:25 01-03-92 30647 <--> 30667 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? I have just sent the Tabman (he is sworn to secrecy) a six page, count 'em, six page, typeset manuscript on the BILLION DOLLAR BILL ROUTINE. . YO MAMA!!! Death to the infedels!!!!!!! And Thumb Tipplers. Msg #30661 Dated 22:51:32 01-03-92 30650 <--> 30662 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Fun Knee. MIU... cat friend of mine keeps what appear to be Tootsie Rolls in its litter box. Msg #30662 Dated 22:51:36 01-03-92 30651 <--> 30685 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Nah, nuttin' to it... But I do have a real Hari Kari Sword for rent. Msg #30663 Dated 22:51:39 01-03-92 30652 <- From: PETE BIRO To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X) Re: YOUR NEW SHOW I would say it will be DARK out, but light inside... but it is too corny... argh... Msg #30664 Dated 22:51:42 01-03-92 30655 <--> 30665 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: COVEN? Score? do they Score? Is that watcha mean? Msg #30665 Dated 22:51:45 01-03-92 30659 <--> 30669 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? Real Magicians don't use their real names because they buy used business cards. Next time you eat out, I can tell you what kind of tip to leave! . You will never hear the end of this... unless I take this job, then no one will hear the end of me... argh... a real job. Well, I have real debts! Yoiks... carumba, etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseum, ad HOK. Oh, the sister magazine to the car book is MicroTimes. Uh huh!. . Oh, some dude on the Photo forum wants to trade an Atari Portfolio for a couple hundred bux worth of photo stuff. Should I get it? Is it any good for using MAGIC! while traelling? It is light and small. don't know enuf about it. Helpa...helpa... I've Fallen and I can stand up. . Am I the only one that recognizes Penn's voice overs on "Comedy Central"?... howboutit Maven-san, is it him? . Am about to fall asleep. A gallon of red wine will do it every time. Yargh... a Yawn... a by bye... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Msg #30667 Dated 0:05:53 01-04-92 30624 <--> 30673 From: JERRY BURTON To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Shroedinger's cat is the football teams mascot ! They Auto & Quantum Mechanics depts. as well. (:-}) Msg #30669 Dated 0:05:59 01-04-92 30577 <--> 30675 From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? Chants & Magic words get STRONGER for the individual the more they are used - or so the theory goes. Chants in particuliar are used to cause the conscious mind to focus on the words or sounds, thus freeing the subconscious mind to perform the 'real' magic. Msg #30670 Dated 0:06:01 01-04-92 30583 <--> 30698 From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SCRIPT I'm confused - is the script working or not ? You may have to have an exorcisism done on your computer ! Have you noticed any sticky green stuff bubbling out of it ? Msg #30671 Dated 0:06:04 01-04-92 30629 <--> 30699 From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SCRIPT Try putting in a line of TRANSMIT "G^M" as the line after WAITFOR "menu". That should do it for you, with out having to hit any keys. Msg #30672 Dated 0:06:06 01-04-92 30645 <--> 30700 From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: RDMAGIC I tried putting PCPLUS onto my laptop and it took too much space. I currently have ProComm 2.43 on the laptop. Msg #30673 Dated 0:06:08 01-04-92 30660 <--> 30674 From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? If this BILLION $ BILL is as good as you say - I may become a convert . Have to wait & see what it looks like against a well done TT. (I assume David does a well done TT, Is that true ??). Msg #30674 Dated 0:07:55 01-04-92 30660 <--> 30687 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Six pages on the Billion Dollar Bill Routine is TOO long -- how do you expect anyone to buy it, read it, and be able to perform it in 15 minutes while driving on the freeway? Msg #30675 Dated 0:10:51 01-04-92 30665 <--> 30676 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? Portfolio is pretty nice/very small and I believe they make a modem connector for it. Problem is tiny, tiny keys - can't type fast on-line. Msg #30676 Dated 0:12:17 01-04-92 30669 <--> 30678 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: COVEN? Hmmm... T A says magic words get WEAKER the more they are used -- that Nathan is RIGHT. Msg #30678 Dated 0:20:01 01-04-92 30658 <--> 30679 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? Sure they are; the Seven Words have an intrinsic quality totally unrelated to their meaning. You can say "sexual intercourse" on television but not the four-letter synonym; you can even refer to the word elliptically as I just have, so that virtually everyone knows EXACTLY what word you mean -- but say it and POOF! You have vanished from the airwaves. Any anthropologist will tell you this is magical thinking. Msg #30679 Dated 0:23:11 01-04-92 30659 <--> 30680 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? The two factors are related, of course; your true name IS you, so to speak, and as knowledge of it becomes disseminated its power -- and therefore yours -- lessens. The other factor is that the True Name is a specific focus for a spell -- but adepts of enough ability to do such spells in workable fashion don't need it as a mnemonic crutch in any case. Msg #30680 Dated 0:25:09 01-04-92 30664 <--> 30681 From: T A WATERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? Hardly ever... Msg #30681 Dated 0:25:53 01-04-92 30669 <--> 30682 From: T A WATERS To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: COVEN? Within ritual, chants are quite different than magic words. Chants are used to create a meditative state, while magic words are used to create very specific mental linkages. Msg #30682 Dated 0:30:30 01-04-92 30678 <--> 30683 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: COVEN? OK, anthropologically they are magic, but hardly in any other manner. The real question is not why they can't be used on television, but why anyone would find their use entertaining. You would think that after a couple of repetitions, they would cease to be amusing. Msg #30683 Dated 0:32:40 01-04-92 30679 <--> 30690 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: COVEN? This is truly very interesting, T A. Since there is a lot of garbage/misinformation written concerning this, could you point me to a couple of good books concerning such things? Also, it might interest you to know that I regard my Real Name (as differentiated from a True Name) as proprietary and I seldom use it or disclose it except for ritual purposes. Even my common name, the one on my birth certificate, while used for all legal purposes, is seldom revealed in a "casual" context such as placing resturant reservations or magazine subscriptions. Msg #30685 Dated 1:54:17 01-04-92 30633 <--> 30688 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE David, I think library privledges would be worth the price of membership. Is the video library also open to members? Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30686 Dated 1:54:22 01-04-92 30638 <--> 30983 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X) Re: URI GELLER Philip, I have my days also. I just got off of the motorcycle from San Bernardino, got to my street before I realized that I didn't have keys in the ignition. Drove back to San Bernardino, found my keys, and now I am shivering so bad, that every third letter is a typo. Thank god for word processors! Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30687 Dated 1:54:27 01-04-92 30639 <--> 30692 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Max, You'll notice that I did not say that the arabics had devised zero. I said that they are generally given credit. The difference in time eras was so small as to not effect the point I was making to Jerry, so rather than get into an essay of Zero as a place holder, I pointed out one case which was significantly earlier than the arabic. I just found out that you write under a diffent name than Max Maven, and have purchased one of your books. I also just became in possesion of some old issues of Genii, and see your name in there often. You write well. Have you ever considered writing fiction? (Or do you?) Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30688 Dated 1:54:35 01-04-92 30651 <--> 30689 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE T.A., Thanks, there will be a little ego-crushing if I'm not accepted, but I had already guessed that the system for selection was not based on consistancy. I will give it my darndest, and hope for the best. Did you ever get your Mac-IBM communications problems worked out? Let me know if I can help. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30689 Dated 1:54:41 01-04-92 30653 <--> 30709 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Sir, I own and appreciate books. I don't let people NEAR my books with liquids. Nor would I approach someone else's books with some vile concoction. I'll help you string up the violater of your capital offense. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30690 Dated 1:54:46 01-04-92 30665 <--> 30703 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? Pete, My cable company just started getting comedy central, and I was amazed at how often they use Penn's voice. If it is not Penn, (It has not been identified as such) then Teller better watch out, because he sounds EXACTLY like him. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30691 Dated 4:10:10 01-04-92 30446 <--> 30828 From: FRANK ZAK To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: NEGATIVE CARDS Likewise, if you ever get out to Vegas. Please look me up. It would be nice to renew old acquantances. Msg #30692 Dated 4:58:34 01-04-92 30687 <--> 30695 From: MAX MAVEN To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? The only fiction I write is in the form of screenplays. Again, I suggest you check your sources; if they are generally giving credit to Arab mathematicians for the zero, they are misinformed. Try checking some other sources... Msg #30694 Dated 6:32:27 01-04-92 30644 <--> 30713 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NEW BOOKS Outside the collector value of the original JARRETT, I am thrilled with Jim Steinmeyer's version of the book. His remarks and notes on the original Jarrett work make a difference. One of the best books in the Nuevo DeCarlo Library. Msg #30695 Dated 6:32:32 01-04-92 30660 <--> 30701 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? I have been up all night working on the BILLION DOLLAR BILL ROUTINE. Yowsuh!!! It is the best. Msg #30697 Dated 7:50:28 01-04-92 30571 <--> 30800 From: DOUG SMITH To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: LV SHOW Sorry for the misspelling..my fingers got tongue tied...Have you considered producing your first performer by magic? ...we did enjoyu the magic we saw . we did find the magician at the Sands "Valentino?" not as strong as we wish, however his production of a second duck did get a great response from the audience... have you considered haveing the second magician work the tables for fifteen minutes before the show was to begin?...similiar to what ringling brothers have the clowns work the crowd before the show is to officially start....with our limited 15 years as part-time professional clowns our family would work the waiting audience for 15 minutes before the official starting time with street magic and walk arounds and got good response///...howver,remember advices is generally worth what you pay for it is this case....lots of luck... Msg #30698 Dated 9:11:23 01-04-92 30670 <--> 30750 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: SCRIPT The latest version of the scripts is working just fine. I tried to stuff them into the laptop and it (the NEC Laptop) does not have the same version of Procomm (NEC only has 2meg hard disk) and it will not load there. But that is OK, as I only use that machine a little bit (when travelling) and can use the good old modus operandi (as long as my Chant doesn't wear out!) when I have to. . Some day (no time right now) I might fiddle with it to see if I can figure that one out. . It looks (shudder!!) like I might have to learn to use a MAC, if this new project/job happens (I think it will). I will become the Editor of a new car magazine. . Will have to get up and get dressed in the mornings! But it will help pay the alimoney. Msg #30699 Dated 9:11:40 01-04-92 30671 <- From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: SCRIPT GM, didn't they lay off a lot of people? Well, I guess I can give the letters "G^M" some work... Msg #30700 Dated 9:11:44 01-04-92 30672 <- From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: RDMAGIC I think that is what I did (laptop is in other room or I would look see what version it is). Do the scripts work there in yours? If so what version are the scripts? Msg #30701 Dated 9:11:48 01-04-92 30673 <--> 30702 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? I don't know anyone that does a Well Done TT, the cooking usually discolors them. ;+) Msg #30702 Dated 9:11:52 01-04-92 30674 <--> 30708 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Six pages is the book version (can't do thin books!). The basic can be learned very easily. It is as easy as drinking water. I think the Kozlowski book is more than six pages. But his needs drawings to explain. Mine does not. HONEST. . I am tempted to send it and let the judges decide by reading it. That way if you fumble in a live competition you are DEAD MEAT. . However, if we allow the jury to READ what you do vs. what I do, THEIR IMAGINATION will provide them with the perfect visual images. . Watcha thinque? Msg #30703 Dated 9:12:05 01-04-92 30675 <--> 30704 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? Who types online? And I have a special set of tiny fingers. Msg #30704 Dated 9:12:08 01-04-92 30678 <--> 30705 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: COVEN? This was such a great message I almost gave someone else credit for it as I didn't read the header. Good stuff T A. Msg #30705 Dated 9:12:12 01-04-92 30681 <--> 30706 From: PETE BIRO To: T A WATERS (X) Re: COVEN? Yeah, when I hear the words "Abracadabra" I think of a little man in a wheelchair that used to sell candles to the catholics in England during WWII, bought a Rolls Royce and published a weekly magazine of magic. And Ken Brooke used to say, "Buy the trick from me, Goodliffe already has a Rolls!!" Msg #30706 Dated 9:12:19 01-04-92 30682 <--> 30707 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? Listen to the material of a lot of Stand Uppers in Comedy Clubs, someone seems to think the F word entertains. (Usually it be the comics that are not actually funny) The audiences FOR SOME REASON usually laff. Dunno if it IS the shock value? But no one is shocked anymore (in live shows). . I once did a test. Saying, "What the F happened there..." during a trick (there was NO peceptable difference in the audience reaction from the previous set when I said, "What the H happened there..." The "H" being HECK. Msg #30707 Dated 9:12:30 01-04-92 30683 <--> 30711 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? Your real name is Muhammad Ali? Msg #30708 Dated 9:12:32 01-04-92 30687 <--> 30714 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? I don't want to Tick of Mr. Goldstein, but EVERYTHING WRITTEN (by everybody) is part fiction. (Ducking and running!!!!) ;+) Msg #30709 Dated 9:12:36 01-04-92 30688 <--> 30710 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE When is this 'NERVE WRACKING' DAY AT THE CLOSE UP TABLE IN HELL' taking place? . Most selections, elections, appointments are based on the wrong factors. The Good Ole Boy Network is a good ole example. . The winners of the Magic Castle awards generally go to those that they have heard the most of. A killer lecturer can work and no one (in the mass membership) ever heard of the person... and someone that does a medium quality lecture with a BIG NAME will USUALLY win... . Everything boils down to a POPULARITY contest. . I don't know if you can socialize and visit with the committee prior or not... . But... if you are cool, do the stuff without screwing up and IN MY OPINION... Make 'em smile... you can't lose... Msg #30710 Dated 9:12:56 01-04-92 30689 <--> 30717 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE My ex wife (this is not one of the reasons) once put a flowerpot on top of my "rare books" case and OVERWATERED... the water, you guessed it... dripped down onto my MINT set of Goldston Locked books. Fortunately there wasn't much and it ONLY discolored the outside covers a little. . I rationalized the look by saying "it makes them look older".... Msg #30711 Dated 9:13:04 01-04-92 30690 <--> 30719 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: COVEN? Comedy Central is almost all I watch anymore. Altho I hate the couple doing "Short Attention Span Theater" and some of the NEWER kinda MC's... mostly like "Mystery Science Theater 3000" -- Joel Hodgson does a lot of comedy magic... is very talented dude. . Steve Allen, Jack Benny and Sgt. Bilko -- and McHales Navy, are also my favorites. Those comedy shows make the PARADE of sitcoms with Smart A** kids mouthing off to adults look like CRAP... which they are! . TV is one area where if they WENT BACKWARDS it would get better!!! Msg #30713 Dated 9:13:22 01-04-92 30694 <--> 30728 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NEW BOOKS No question Jim's Jarrett (would have made a better title) is a top notch book with the best thinking one could ask fo' Msg #30714 Dated 9:13:26 01-04-92 30695 <--> 30715 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? I hope Lichtman reads message #30695 without having a CARDIAC ARREST... Msg #30715 Dated 10:50:36 01-04-92 30692 <--> 30716 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Max, I wasn't trying to suggest that you were wrong with your statement about the origin of zero. I was just trying to make the point that if the zero had been invented after the start of the common era (birth of Christ for those of us who were taught history before such "politically correct" terms were used) then a mathematics invented at the time of the vedas wouldn't have used zero. I didn't realize that you write screenplays. What genre do you write for? Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30716 Dated 10:50:43 01-04-92 30708 <--> 30722 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Pete, Then I have to assume that part of the message you wrote me is fiction. Hmmmm, now to decide which part. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30717 Dated 10:50:48 01-04-92 30709 <--> 30718 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Pete, I hope to make them smile. The main lesson that I've learned in performing is that if the performer is enjoying himself, then usually, the audience will also. I have my ad-libs all prepared. I've got my patented "good-natured" smile all prepared. I haven't screwed up one of the tricks I'm going to do for them in the last hundred showings. Monday is audition day. In all fairness to the castle, I've yet to see the awards ceremony that was giving awards on the basis of merit alone. I guess every organization has a "good ole boys" network. Just some of them are "gooder" than others. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30718 Dated 10:50:55 01-04-92 30710 <--> 30720 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Pete, My wife knows that I'm a bit of a misogynist. The flowerpot incident is a perfect example as to why. I was dating a women once who was going to teach me how to straighten up my apartment. She took everything she could find and put it in a box. I was working as a head of computers on a political campaign at the time. She took vital disks of information (We spent over one hundred thousand dollars on pollsters for this information) and put it in the same box as a magnetic page holder. Then she didn't understand why I was so upset. ARgh!(tm. Biro) Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30719 Dated 10:51:03 01-04-92 30711 <--> 30723 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? Pete, You know, that was one of the real attractions of The Cosby Show when it first aired. The kids tried to mouth off, but the adults didn't have sub-normal intelligence (like every other show on the air) and put the kids back where they belonged. As kids. (But that too has passed.) Just remember that the early days of television had its share of crap too. Remember My Mother the Car? The one advantage that early television had, was they didn't have to worry so much about instant gratification. These days, if a show wants to continue existance, they have to garner every possible person they can. This means, to some degree, the lowest common denominator. Oh well, life in the big city.... Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30720 Dated 10:54:16 01-04-92 30685 <--> 30732 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE The Committee seemed a little surprised when they asked me why I wanted to join and I said, "The Library!" I don't remember my own answer to "What do you feel you will do for the Castle?" but I think I said I wanted to be on the Media Committee. As to the videos, you'll have to ask T A. I think that there is some plan to make them more available than they have been in the past, but I think it is tied up in committee. Msg #30722 Dated 11:02:12 01-04-92 30702 <--> 30735 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? If we're gonna let the jury READ the effect, I WILL WIN _hands_ _down_ (a great pun!) !!! I write instructions for a living! And I'm damned good at it! But in the interest of fairness, this has to be judged strictly by PERFORMANCE, not by written version. Since you is getting so expert though, I reserve the right to substitute performers... Maybe I can get Mr. Ammar to DMS? Rules do say you can use anything you can carry in, right? Msg #30723 Dated 11:07:19 01-04-92 30703 <--> 30724 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? I think that the very small memory on the Portfolio means that one might have to type on-line on occassion. I've only looked at the machine briefly and not in much detail. And I'm still looking at the info that Geno sent me on the new Sony palmtops, also some info on the new HP palmtops. Msg #30724 Dated 11:10:09 01-04-92 30706 <--> 30725 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? I think that the audiences that laff at F word are those who are sexually repressed. It is amazing to me that in this day and age there are still those who can't adjust normally to such things. Msg #30725 Dated 11:15:46 01-04-92 30707 <--> 30740 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? RE: Muhammad Ali. Almost. But I regard it as the Password (or PIN) to my soul and you ain't gettin' it outta' me! Msg #30726 Dated 13:12:22 01-04-92 -> 30744 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BILLION DOLLAR BILLS Ee;30697 Wowza Yowza.....spent all night learning the Biro Billion Dollar Bill Trick and just did it for the Bone Pony guys and literally have them on the floor. They got fried. It (the $$$$$$ Bill of Biro) is the greatest. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. I can't believe it. Man Oh Man!!! Msg #30728 Dated 13:12:33 01-04-92 30713 <--> 30746 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NEW BOOKS I'd still love to have one of the original Jarrett's though. Msg #30730 Dated 13:09:13 01-04-92 -> 30747 From: DOC EASON To: ALL Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN/S It is currently snowing on Sat Aft. We need the snow, the hoards of people have scraped it off pretty much. Teh last two weeks here have been a madhouse. It doesnt seem that the recession has affected the holiday people. The acid test will come in the next few weeks. The crowds have been very enthusiastic. Chevy Chase was the most avid of fans(so were his young daughters) Chas Bronson in last night. Go Broncos Happy NY to all. Msg #30732 Dated 14:25:12 01-04-92 30720 <--> 30734 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE The videos will be handled completely separately from the Library, as things stand no ow. Msg #30734 Dated 15:59:14 01-04-92 30732 <--> 30738 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Thanks for the info on the videos, T A. Will they be housed in a separate area? Msg #30735 Dated 16:16:26 01-04-92 30708 <--> 30736 From: MAX MAVEN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? "Everything written (by everybody) is part fiction." -- Do explain just how you came up with this bit of nonsense. Msg #30736 Dated 16:17:42 01-04-92 30715 <--> 30737 From: MAX MAVEN To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? I fail to see how the term "common era" is one that should be classified as being "politically correct." In answer to your question, I've written a few action/thriller scripts, one supernatural comedy, and some variety television shows. Msg #30737 Dated 16:51:53 01-04-92 30716 <--> 30741 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? That's the idea... to make U think... hah... Msg #30738 Dated 16:51:56 01-04-92 30717 <--> 30739 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Everybody... right... Personality, popularity contests are the USUAL... but you have to figure, "being popular" means you must do SOMETHING pretty good... Msg #30739 Dated 16:52:01 01-04-92 30718 <--> 30753 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Anybody that is 'GOING TO TEACH YOU HOW TO CLEAN UP YOUR ANYTHING' needs some lessons!!! Msg #30740 Dated 16:52:05 01-04-92 30719 <--> 30742 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: COVEN? I loved My Mother the Car. Msg #30741 Dated 16:52:08 01-04-92 30722 <--> 30757 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? I would give "Thumbs Up" to that... but My Thumb Has Fallen... and it CAN'T GET UP!" Msg #30742 Dated 16:52:11 01-04-92 30723 <--> 30743 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? I doubt if I will get the Portfolio, but the guy is going to send me some deep info on it... it is a trade, so if I have something that I don't care about no mo it can go... whoa.. YO... Oh... Msg #30743 Dated 16:52:16 01-04-92 30724 <--> 30748 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? I think they are Mentally Repressed... the average AUDIENCELUPEN'S out sucking wine and oggling each other... Gee... sounds kinda good Msg #30744 Dated 16:52:20 01-04-92 30726 <--> 30752 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BILLION DOLLAR BILLS Howcom it took you ALL NIGHT to learn? Oh, I know, you were working on the patter. Glad you like it. Joe is going to market it... Great, eh? Will debut it at Seminar... He is going to charge $10 for it. Will pay some rent. Msg #30746 Dated 16:52:32 01-04-92 30728 <--> 30813 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NEW BOOKS You know how I got mine? I asked someone (name witheld to protect him) if they had one, that I wanted to SEE it, so if I was looking around I would know what to look for. You know, what size, what color, how thick, etc... . So we zip into the room of Books!! And there on the shelf 2 COPIES. . One is now here... heheheheheh . Found 2 more Cruickshank art books... all art no words. Killer!!! Msg #30747 Dated 16:52:43 01-04-92 30730 <--> 30810 From: PETE BIRO To: DOC EASON (X) Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN/S I cannot believe ELWAY..... What a RAT.... argh.... but I guess they owed it to the poor sucker that missed the point after!!!! . We'll get 'em all next year... (Raiders, that be!) Msg #30748 Dated 16:57:18 01-04-92 30676 <--> 30761 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? If you use them outside of a specific ritual purpose they do get weaker. If you use them JUST for a specific purpose within a specific ritual purpose they get get stronger as the mental linkage gets stronger each each time you do the ritual. . Common magic words used in common magic (i.e. tricks) such as, Sim Sala Bim, Abracadabra, etc. are mere shams of their original use. Ritual magic and its magical words and chants are not used for entertainment, rather to focus the will of the magician for some specific purpose. Msg #30750 Dated 16:57:26 01-04-92 30698 <--> 30778 From: JERRY BURTON To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: SCRIPT A REAL JOB (like get up at a specific time and be where someone else wants you to be at a specific time) how depressing ! . Hopefully it will only be a temporary violation of your freedom to live on your OWN time base. Msg #30751 Dated 16:57:29 01-04-92 -> 30773 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X) Re: GOODBYE PIG Ee;30674 I attended the castle anniversary party the 2nd and have news on the pig. Milt said, "The artist will be taking the sculture back, to the junkyard where it belongs, in March. We will be redoing the landscaping in front of the castle to make it more compatible with the Victorian theme". . He gave a tour of the new area and the access problem has been solved there is a stairway just opposite the entryway to the parlour (a door on the left) that will be enclosed and will give access to a foyer and the W.C. Fields bar. There is a 60 seat theatre with rear project ion TV as well as normal front projection film capability. . He would not commit as to when it would all be finished, but some of it should be open this year. Msg #30752 Dated 16:57:37 01-04-92 30726 <--> 30811 From: JERRY BURTON To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BILLION DOLLAR BILLS Now I'm really jealous ! When can the rest of us get a peek at it. . Best of Luck on the MCMC - wish I could have made it. Puleeez, give us an hour-by-hour update on how it goes. See my note to David - the pig is about to be history, according to Milt ! Msg #30753 Dated 16:57:41 01-04-92 30734 <--> 30756 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE According to Milt they will be available for viewing on individual TV's as well as the large screen rear projection system. Not sure if he really knows tho. Msg #30754 Dated 17:51:53 01-04-92 -> 30774 From: STEVE BRYANT To: ALL Re: BRAZEN ANNOUNCEMENT Gentlemen: David has been nice enough to let me mention the culmination of a project I've been working on for quite some time, and which a few of you know about already. I'm pleased to announce that LITTLE EGYPT CARD TRICKS, a book I've been working on for the past year, is completed and ready for shipment. Subtitled "Object Lessons in Personalized Card Magic," the book will be advertised as "An unusual collection of commercial card presentations and diverse advice." Also, it will be noted that it "Includes the Last Word Card Stab, a stunning right-through-the-deck card stab." Little Egypt, by the way, is the part of southern Illinois in which I grew up. Physically, it is 8 1/2 by 11, 122 pages, comb bound (sorry, Pete). Special Canadian edition available on red paper. It contains 10 card trick presentations, 9 essays, 8 rules to make your magic more effective, and a bibliography. The foreword is by Mike Rogers. The price tag is $22 plus $3 shipping. For MAGIC! members only, skip the shipping charge. Beyond these statistics, I won't comment. Review copies went out this morning to the principal reviewers. Meanwhile, my wife would love to see all the copies outta here. If anyone is interested, and you can't think of anything to buy until Pete's linking ring opus comes out, the address is 1639 Sycamore Court, Bloomington, IN 47401. I apologize for this blatant commercial message, but I promised the few who knew of this venture that MAGIC! would be the first to know, and I've tried to stick enough into this one message so that we won't have to belabor the subject in future messages. -- Steve Bryant Msg #30755 Dated 18:05:09 01-04-92 -> 30775 From: STEVE BRYANT To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Here's something even neater to spend around $20 on. If you want to learn to juggle, a mildly informative and HIGHLY entertaining video is HOW TO JUGGLE AND OTHER MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH by The Flying Karamazov Brothers. I ordered one for my son's Christmas stocking. Call 1-800-FLY-9000. I think it was $19.95 plus $5 postage. -- Steve Bryant Msg #30756 Dated 19:15:09 01-04-92 30720 <--> 30759 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE David, How long have you been a member? I guess that the people who decide on videos et al. are not particularly good at informing the membership in general. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30757 Dated 19:15:14 01-04-92 30736 <--> 30758 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Max, Would one look for Maven on the "screenplay by" line? Common Era would be politically correct for all those non- christians who object to the idea of defining our dates as from the birth of "Christ." David has already admonished me for discussing religion on the board, so I'll keep this brief. I'm not saying who is right, or who is wrong, all I'm saying is "so what?" I doubt seriously that any omnipotent being is going to say, "Okay, you almost made it to nirvana, but you used B.C. instead of B.C.E." regardless of this omnipotent being's affiliation. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30758 Dated 19:15:22 01-04-92 30737 <--> 30766 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Ah, but is it really to make me think? What if that part of your message is the fiction? What if everything I know is wrong? (credits to Firesign Theatre) What if....What if.... ARGGGGGHHH!!! Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30759 Dated 19:15:27 01-04-92 30738 <--> 30760 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE On the other hand, when dealing in an entertainment industry, it is pretty hard to ignore personality. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30760 Dated 19:15:31 01-04-92 30739 <--> 30767 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Pete, You'll notice that the message said "an old girlfriend." I didn't mean elderly, I meant former. Unlike you're case, this had a direct bearing on why. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30761 Dated 19:15:36 01-04-92 30740 <--> 30769 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? Pete, Yeah, so did I. But I was 8 the last time I saw an episode. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30762 Dated 19:43:28 01-04-92 -> 30763 From: HALLEE STARBORN To: ALL Re: HARRY HOUDINI MEMORIABILI Msg #30763 Dated 19:56:51 01-04-92 30762 <--> 30840 From: HALLEE STARBORN To: ALL Re: HARRY HOUDINI MEMORIABILI I would like to buy Houdini oed items, like handcuffs or Houdiniutogras. If you have something to sell contact by this network, or by phon907-561-3029 Msg #30766 Dated 20:15:51 01-04-92 30741 <--> 30781 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? If you can't get your thumb up, all I can say is ARGH! (tm - Biro). P.S. - Have you tried vigorously massaging it? Msg #30767 Dated 20:18:05 01-04-92 30753 <--> 30768 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE One must assume that Milt knows, since he wanders around the Castle building the rooms for stuff, etc. Msg #30768 Dated 20:20:53 01-04-92 30756 <--> 30779 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE I've been a member for about 5 or 6 years. No, committee reports do not often make it to the Newsletter. But after a while, if you are interested, you begin to meet the right people and ask the right questions. Msg #30769 Dated 20:22:26 01-04-92 30742 <--> 30770 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? OK, you trade him something you don't want for the Portfolio and I'll trade you something I don't want for it. Have you seen any stuff around here that you would like? Msg #30770 Dated 20:23:28 01-04-92 30743 <--> 30771 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? Apparently, and quite seriously, the Comedy Club phenomena and the F word phenomena seem to indicate that more people are repressed, etc. than I would have believed. Msg #30771 Dated 20:24:58 01-04-92 30748 <--> 30777 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: COVEN? Yes, that makes a LOT of sense! I had always assumed that Abracadabra, etc. were replacement words for read words. And your explaination of the use of specific words in or out of ritual is most helpful. Msg #30773 Dated 20:29:14 01-04-92 30751 <--> 30790 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: GOODBYE PIG Most interesting! Thanks for the Super Pig and new access info. Guess it DOES pay to go to the Anniversary Parties, etc.! I think we should have a luncheon to honor the death of Super Pig. Maybe make it an annual event! Msg #30774 Dated 20:31:42 01-04-92 30754 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STEVE BRYANT (X) Re: BRAZEN ANNOUNCEMENT CONGRATULATIONS on the new book, Steve! It sounds most interesting! And thanks for making sure that MAGIC! members were the first to know about it (and for the no shipping charge deal on it). Anyone who wants to order a copy can correspond in private with you. Msg #30775 Dated 20:33:19 01-04-92 30755 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: STEVE BRYANT (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? WOW! Thanks for the info on the juggling video. Really appreciate that. Msg #30777 Dated 20:55:30 01-04-92 30748 <--> 30783 From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: COVEN? Like Fiction writing? ;+) Msg #30778 Dated 20:55:33 01-04-92 30750 <- From: PETE BIRO To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: SCRIPT Tell me about it dude... argh... It might not even cover the alimony Msg #30779 Dated 20:55:35 01-04-92 30760 <--> 30784 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE I caught the ref...hoo hoo... ficticious reply, eh wot... Msg #30780 Dated 21:31:10 01-04-92 -> 30791 From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: MARRIOTT Looking at my calander right now, it looks like Wednesday the 29th is open. If thats O.K. for you, the only thing we have to check out is to see if John will be working that night. I'm putting it in for the 29th pending hearing from you. What say you? Msg #30781 Dated 21:44:27 01-04-92 30757 <--> 30785 From: MAX MAVEN To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? The intent of "p.c." folk (among whose number I do not count) is to avoid offending other people by adhering to a tightly defined code. The use of "B.C.E." in place of "B.C." and "C.E." rather than "A.D." is generally done as a statement about the writer's own world-view, which is another thing entirely. My screenplays are written under the Maven name; however, although I have sold three out of the five I've written, only one has been produced -- and it's not a story piece per se; rather, it is a home video production integrating vignettes with interactive magic. Msg #30783 Dated 22:45:36 01-04-92 30665 <--> 30981 From: JIM SISTI To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: COVEN? It's definitely Penn on Comedy Central. See ya next week...! Msg #30784 Dated 23:49:04 01-04-92 30734 <--> 30788 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE That is the current plan as I understand it; you'd have to check with Jeff Semel or Jim Starr, who I believe are on the Video Committee. Msg #30785 Dated 23:51:37 01-04-92 30715 <--> 30787 From: T A WATERS To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? The term Common Era has been standard usage in many areas -- occultism, for one, comparative religion for another -- for well over three centuries. Msg #30786 Dated 0:05:10 01-05-92 -> 30794 From: MAX MAVEN To: SYSOP Re: 1991 As there was previous interest, I have uploaded a file called "BIB91.ZIP" which lists the material I put in print during the past year. Msg #30787 Dated 0:09:03 01-05-92 30781 <--> 30815 From: JERRY BURTON To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Go to your local Blockbuster video and rent 'MInd Games' by Max Maven - its a very enjoyable and mystifying piece of work. Msg #30788 Dated 0:09:05 01-05-92 30767 <--> 30792 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE But as you well know Milt has no say in the day-to-day operations and sometimes just says what 'he' would like to see done - which may not be the way it will be decided by the board. Msg #30790 Dated 0:09:10 01-05-92 30773 <--> 30796 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: GOODBYE PIG Great idea - let's have a Pig Wake the first Friday after it is remov ed. We can all dress in black and wear party hats ! Msg #30791 Dated 0:09:12 01-05-92 30780 <- From: JERRY BURTON To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X) Re: MARRIOTT I'll give John a call and make sure he working the 29th and let you know - the dates good for me. Will let you know ASAP. Msg #30792 Dated 0:24:14 01-05-92 30784 <--> 30793 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE OK, thanks for the info on the videos. Msg #30793 Dated 0:25:06 01-05-92 30788 <--> 30822 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Yeah, but Milt does seem to have a way of getting "little things" done -- like installing Super Pig. Msg #30794 Dated 0:26:58 01-05-92 30786 <--> 30798 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: 1991 Thank you, Max. I for one certainly appreciate having a bibliography of your work online. I will check it out tonight and send it to the right areas of the Files. Msg #30796 Dated 0:28:35 01-05-92 30790 <--> 30823 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: GOODBYE PIG TERRIFIC! A "Pig Wake" with black clothes and party hats would be terrific! Is there any way you can pin down the removal date? Perhaps we should scout out a vendor for pig masks? Msg #30798 Dated 0:38:01 01-05-92 30786 <--> 30867 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: 1991 Max's 1991 addendum to his existing on-line bibliography (PG-BIBLI.TXT and PG-BIBLI.ZIP) is now in the MAGIC! Files Area as PG-BIB91.TXT and PG-BIB91.ZIP. Thanks, Max! Msg #30799 Dated 0:43:00 01-05-92 30048 <--> 30801 From: BARRY GITELSON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: HAWAII MAGIC SPECTACULAR There will be a full report on the 6th annual Magic Spectacular by your friendly magic reporter in paradise.....me! Msg #30800 Dated 2:01:43 01-05-92 30697 <- From: GENO MUNARI To: DOUG SMITH (X) Re: LV SHOW Not a bad idea Doug. I think I may try it. Thanks for coming. Msg #30801 Dated 2:08:57 01-05-92 30799 <- From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BARRY GITELSON (X) Re: HAWAII MAGIC SPECTACULAR We will be looking forward to your report from Kainaliu-Kona, Barry! Msg #30808 Dated 7:18:30 01-05-92 -> 30868 From: DOUG SMITH To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: DEM BONES Pete...the bones will be shipped at the end of the week so that you are home. They have been cooked, cleaned, and dried. After inspection my wife wants to know on what day of the year did someone tell you that sheep bones were once used as die. could it have been april 1st? Her other suggestion is that since the relatives eat lamb, that maybe in older sheep the cartiladge may become more solid? But here comes all of the bones except hooves..we can get those if you want glatin.. UGGGH...trademark unknown Msg #30810 Dated 8:53:13 01-05-92 30730 <--> 30830 From: TABBY CRABB To: DOC EASON (X) Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN/S How did they do it? If you see Dan Reeves tell him the tabman said hello (he and I went to high school together). Msg #30811 Dated 8:53:16 01-05-92 30744 <--> 30814 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BILLION DOLLAR BILLS Only $10. That is a real deal. I would have thought more, but what do I know? Just in from having pizza with Nashville Close-up club. Some of them are gonna man the door, etc. Weathre is supposed to be 50 degrees Wednesday when you arrive Music City. As you walk in from the plane (it lands in a corn field - just like on Hee Haw) check out the photos from the Tennessee Magazine Photogs Assn. Check out the one armed steel guitar player. Msg #30813 Dated 8:53:27 01-05-92 30746 <--> 30816 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NEW BOOKS I looked at your copy of Jarrett's book while holed up at your place in October. Quitting smoking working good so far. Only hit one and ait didn't send me back onem. Woah!! Anyway, I love the look and feel of original Jarrett. It is cool that he printed it himself a little at a time. Did he bind them too??? Msg #30814 Dated 8:53:32 01-05-92 30752 <--> 30825 From: TABBY CRABB To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: BILLION DOLLAR BILLS I don't think I'll be able to give hour by hour reports but do promise to write up a synopsis of the event and post it when I gety home. Thanks for the well wishes. Look for the wands shortly after the event is over. Yow!! Msg #30815 Dated 9:00:48 01-05-92 30781 <--> 30836 From: TABBY CRABB To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Was this your MIND GAMES video for MCA Entertainment?? Msg #30816 Dated 11:05:43 01-05-92 30694 <--> 30872 From: GENO MUNARI To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NEW BOOKS Maybe I can buy a copy when I get to NAshville.....Looking forward to the visit.... Msg #30822 Dated 13:57:36 01-05-92 30793 <--> 30829 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE It was interesting to note his reversal on the pig issue. The members complain, the board votes to have it removed, he says, "No I like it it stays". . Tuesday evening he said, "It goes back to the junkyard where it belon gs" (indicating he doesn't like it). . I drew quite a few stares as I was the only one clapping after that comment. Oh well - the anniversary party is pretty much only attended by the good ol' boys and they don't make waves. Msg #30823 Dated 13:57:41 01-05-92 30796 <--> 30824 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: GOODBYE PIG I'll check out a few sources for pig masks - I have seen them in half masks (kinda like lone ranger masks) except they are animal forms. Msg #30824 Dated 13:57:44 01-05-92 30796 <--> 30833 From: JERRY BURTON To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: GOODBYE PIG I'll talk to E.J. about giving me a call when it is going, going, GONE !! Oh happy day. Msg #30825 Dated 13:57:46 01-05-92 30814 <--> 30870 From: JERRY BURTON To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BILLION DOLLAR BILLS Hope you guys break some legs - good luck ! . I'm heading for Sedona AZ next weekend to participate in the 11:11 a planetary window opening. Will give a report when I get back. Msg #30827 Dated 14:25:04 01-05-92 30274 <- From: HARRISON CARROLL To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: TIPS ON THUMB TIPS Ahhh! Ok Got you now....That's funny, "luke warm cadaver" Msg #30829 Dated 14:28:03 01-05-92 30380 <--> 30832 From: HARRISON CARROLL To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Kevin: Best advise I can give is to do the stuff that you have been doing, rather than try to introduce something new in an effort to either fool or impress them. And, if what you do is similar to what others do, so be it. I say this because if something goes wrong, it's probably something that has gone wrong before and you know how to deal with it. If it's something new and it goes wrong, well, you won't have the variety of directions available since you'd have less experience with it. But, what has been said before can be said here. "This advise is probably worth what you paid for it." Anyway, good luck! Msg #30830 Dated 14:33:45 01-05-92 30730 <--> 30853 From: HARRISON CARROLL To: DOC EASON (X) Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN/S Heyyy Doc: Glad to see you're a Bronco fan. They were pretty lucky yesterday with two fourth down situations and no time outs. Next week will be a tougher test for them. Msg #30832 Dated 15:10:36 01-05-92 30822 <--> 30848 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE There is some doubt, at least in my mind, as to how the whole Super Pig incident took place. BUT apparently, once it was installed, the real issue became a power struggle between Milt and the Board. It is my understanding that Milt _never_ liked Super Pig, but that he would not remove it under pressure. This may, of course, be only hearsay and gossip. I doubt that we will ever know the full, real, story. Msg #30833 Dated 15:13:09 01-05-92 30823 <--> 30834 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: GOODBYE PIG "Half masks" may be a good idea. I believe there are rubber pig snouts available. Those are not as burdensome as masks and might even allow us to wear them and to eat at the same time. Perhaps we could incorporate a voodoo doll of a pig into the ceremony as well - suspend it over the table? I guess I'm really getting into the theme of this! Msg #30834 Dated 15:14:50 01-05-92 30824 <--> 30866 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: JERRY BURTON (X) Re: GOODBYE PIG OK - We need a little warning to organize a luncheon/wake. Msg #30836 Dated 16:07:21 01-05-92 30815 <--> 30856 From: MAX MAVEN To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Yes. Msg #30840 Dated 17:13:53 01-05-92 30763 <- From: MANNY WELTMAN To: HALLEE STARBORN (X) Re: HARRY HOUDINI MEMORIABILI What are you looking for? I hope yo have mucho $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!! Msg #30848 Dated 21:00:24 01-05-92 30832 <--> 30855 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE It should be noted that the Board is for the Academy of Magical Arts, of which the Castle is the clubhouse. The two are connected but not the same thing -- thus what the Board says about what goes on IN the Castle, as it relates to the organization of the Academy, is usually followed -- but the Castle itself is a separate entity and -- at least as I understand it -- the Board can make recommendations regarding the Castle but does not have any say in the day-to-day operation. Their option, if they came to loggerheads with the Castle, would be to go elsewhere -- not a very probable or realistic option. Again, all this is my impression of how things work, and should be no way considered to be the final word. Msg #30853 Dated 23:36:58 01-05-92 30830 <--> 31045 From: DOC EASON To: HARRISON CARROLL (X) Re: SKI CONDITIONS IN ASPEN/S Lucky hell...It's now being called the "Overdrive". Ya gotta admit he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. You are right tho...next week will be a tougher game...altho Houston was no slouch...moon couldn't miss. Definitely a thriller. glad to hear from you harry...it doesnt look good for fechters this year ...we're having our baby girl around the 15th...our little jillian..(we don't know but that name is in the running)..travel to buffalo seems like a slim notion. Msg #30855 Dated 0:14:08 01-06-92 30768 <--> 30858 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE David, It sounds like most any organization. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30856 Dated 0:14:12 01-06-92 30781 <--> 30857 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Max, I will be most interested in seeing the video that has been recommended to me. You are probably right about B.C. vs B.C.E. and frankly, my sentiments run more towards B.C.E. There were several years span from the time I went to high school to the time I went to college. I was surprised to find all of the textbooks having changed (At least in my part of the world) to B.C.E. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30857 Dated 0:14:19 01-06-92 30785 <--> 30860 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: T A WATERS (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? T.A., I was not aware of the long-term usage of those particular abreviations. Thanks for the info. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30858 Dated 0:14:23 01-06-92 30829 <--> 30861 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: HARRISON CARROLL (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Harrison, I found out long ago how important preparation is to performance. Not only preparation of how to do something, but also what do if things don't go quite the way you had in mind. Thank you very much for the advice. I've still got the shakes, but not as bad as earlier in the week. I've practised in the clothes I'm going to wear, I've tried to screw up the tricks. I think I am set for almost any contingency. We'll see. Again, thanks! Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30860 Dated 0:49:09 01-06-92 30857 <--> 30914 From: T A WATERS To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Some occultists -- notably Crowley -- and others have used the abbreviation E.V. for the same purpose as C.E. -- it stands for Era Vulgaris... Msg #30861 Dated 1:01:39 01-06-92 30855 <--> 30863 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Yep - there is a lot in common between the Magic Castle and every other human aggregation... or is that aggravation? I make a very strong effort to stay out of magic politics. Msg #30863 Dated 1:09:51 01-06-92 30848 <--> 30865 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE I think that the various interconnected corporations (both non-profit and profit) and the various boards have a complex relationship. I prefer to see the shows, attend the lectures, visit the library (when I get time to do so) and let the politics take care of themselves. Msg #30865 Dated 8:24:43 01-06-92 30793 <--> 30869 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE No one "Installed" the Piggy... it just came up outa the mud. Msg #30866 Dated 8:24:46 01-06-92 30796 <--> 30874 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: GOODBYE PIG What team uses the "Pig Noses" in NFL playoffs? mebbe they would buy el pigletto? Msg #30867 Dated 8:24:50 01-06-92 30798 <--> 30885 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: 1991 Why PG in front of the file? Do you still have the PIG on your mind? Msg #30868 Dated 8:24:53 01-06-92 30808 <- From: PETE BIRO To: DOUG SMITH (X) Re: DEM BONES I will do some more research on the ankle bone stuff.... as to what each surface means and post it. Am in Ohio, 1-degree Centirgrade todau... whatever that means... argh... On to Nashville and Tabman City Wednesday. Msg #30869 Dated 8:24:58 01-06-92 30792 <--> 30883 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Walkin' down the wood-panelled hallways at the Greatest Tire Co., in the world... and a silver-tounged PR man, named "DOC" sed, PPlease.... say howdy to that amazing and wonderful Lichtman... and thank him for his wonderful hospitality..." Argh... no taste, that DOC.... Msg #30870 Dated 8:25:05 01-06-92 30811 <--> 30901 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: BILLION DOLLAR BILLS YO... got to get whippin' Alexander sed they guys all wanna take me to lunch... mo later. All is good enuf.... this trip will pay off! Msg #30872 Dated 8:25:12 01-06-92 30813 <--> 30903 From: PETE BIRO To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: NEW BOOKS He printed one page, tore down the type, set the next, etc... Msg #30874 Dated 8:25:18 01-06-92 30833 <--> 31044 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: GOODBYE PIG Snouts is available... Agh Msg #30876 Dated 10:44:10 01-06-92 From: MARVIN STERN To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: VEGAS Nice mention in the LA Times ".......has reopened Geno Munari's Magic Parlor, ....". Will arrive Vegas this Thurs for CES and staying at the DI. Hope to get to the club. Are you performing, and if so, are you doing the same act as last time at the Castle? If not performing, are you there every evening? Bruce Sandercock is planning to get by and see you Tues or Weds, I believe. Msg #30877 Dated 10:47:43 01-06-92 From: MARVIN STERN To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X) Re: THREAD I'll dtry and get it in the mail, before I leave for Vegas. Msg #30879 Dated 14:24:25 01-06-92 29304 <--> 30911 From: WAYNE POWERS To: GENO MUNARI (X) Re: MAGIC PARLOR Hope it's going well, Geno! I'll be in Vegas again in early March and will look forward to stopping in to see you! 'Wayne. Msg #30880 Dated 14:28:40 01-06-92 29565 <--> 30887 From: WAYNE POWERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: "KID'S DAY" My family and I were not able to attend this year's "Kids' Day" at the Castle. Last year, there were a couple of VERY feeble acts performing. As long as I'm griping, I DO wish they would rename it "Children's Day" as my wife and I are not raising GOATS! 'W. Msg #30881 Dated 14:36:53 01-06-92 -> 30923 From: WAYNE POWERS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: HOW... HOW... was your Gold Country trip? My family and I spent several days at various places along Highway 49 on our return trip from the cabin last Summer. What towns did you visit? Where did you stay? 'W. Msg #30883 Dated 15:45:54 01-06-92 30865 <--> 30884 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE I think you are right - Piggy was not installed. Did you ever see a movie called "Godzilla Vs. The Smog Monster"? Msg #30884 Dated 15:46:36 01-06-92 30869 <--> 30924 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE When you saw Doc at Greatest Tire Inc., did you manage to work the word "Blimp" into the conversation? Msg #30885 Dated 15:49:20 01-06-92 30867 <--> 30895 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: 1991 The "PG" in the file name stands for Phil Goldstein, a close personal friend of Max's. Msg #30887 Dated 15:54:50 01-06-92 30880 <--> 31002 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: "KID'S DAY" I agree on both counts - there are some VERY feeble acts performing at "Kid's Day" and it should _not_ be "Kid's" Day. But I guess we have to reflect those messages to the Castle committee in charge of the affair. Msg #30889 Dated 18:23:31 01-06-92 -> 30926 From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN To: ALL Re: CALL FOR MR. KING MAGIC!-NL Tue 07 Jan 92 03:11 Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg: ================================================================ * URGENT * URGENT * URGENT * URGENT * URGENT * URGENT * URGENT * ================================================================ Richard Ross is desperately trying to get in touch with Mac King but sofar without any success. Does anyone of the readers know if Mac King is currently in town or can inform me how he can be contacted. Please respond by private message. Mac can also get in touch with Richard by sending a fax to +31-23-340696 or calling Richard on +31-2502-48040. Many thanks for your response. --- GoldED 2.30 * Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards 24 hours/day. --- --- Msg #30895 Dated 21:24:28 01-06-92 30885 <--> 30899 From: MAX MAVEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: 1991 Lloyd Jones once sent me a letter addressed to "BLIND PIG" Msg #30899 Dated 21:48:18 01-06-92 30895 <--> 30900 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: 1991 Were you, at the time, engaged in some traffic which would justify the appellation? Or had you recently both performed for the Lighthouse Foundation and won an award from the American Pork Breeders? You are, of course, cordially invited to fulfill any obligation you may feel by attending the Super Pig Wake with your rubber snout worn as an eyepatch. Msg #30900 Dated 23:17:00 01-06-92 30899 <--> 30907 From: MAX MAVEN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: 1991 No, no, no. The gag was "PG" -- i.e., "PIG" with _no eye_. Msg #30901 Dated 23:20:03 01-06-92 30870 <--> 31043 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: BILLION DOLLAR BILLS Good deal, Good Year!! Msg #30903 Dated 23:20:08 01-06-92 30872 <--> 31041 From: TABBY CRABB To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: NEW BOOKS Sounds like the way I work!! Msg #30907 Dated 0:40:19 01-07-92 30900 <--> 30909 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: 1991 RE: "PIG with _no_ _eye_" - at the risk of repeating myself, "You are, of course, cordially invited to fulfill any obligation you may feel by attending the Super Pig Wake with your rubber snout worn as an eyepatch." Msg #30909 Dated 0:42:45 01-07-92 30907 <--> 30912 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: 1991 I had personally always thought that the PG stood for "Parental Guidance," but you may feel that to be a bit too obvious. There have, of course, been other famous people with those initials: Edmund Gaines, for example, had the middle name of Pendelton, making him an EPG; there was the Roman Emperor Publius Gallienus; Paul Gauguin; J. Paul Getty; Sir Phillip Gibbs; and the redoubtable P. G. Wodenhouse. None of the above, however, to the best of my knowledge, also used a nom de magie of M&M. Msg #30911 Dated 1:05:37 01-07-92 30879 <--> 31003 From: JERRY BURTON To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: MAGIC PARLOR Wayne where have you been - I thought I saw your picture on a milk carton ? Happy New Year ! Have you become a magilurker ?? Msg #30912 Dated 2:04:01 01-07-92 30909 <--> 30925 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: 1991 No, I have not overlooked Paul Gertner, Peter Godfrey, Pressley Guitar, Pietro Gallici, Dr. Paul F. Gemmill, Phillip Graham, nor Paul Green. Msg #30913 Dated 3:00:31 01-07-92 -> 30915 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: ALL Re: CASTLE AUDITION First, let me thank all of those who offered much helpful advice and information about my audition for membership for the Magic Castle. Second, let me say that I have never been so nervous in my life. I guess I misheard what Bill Cosko said as far as the time. I was there at 6:45 and found out I wasn't supposed to be there until 7:15. Even if I had arrived at 7:15, I would have had a heck of a wait. They didn't actually start auditioning until after 8:00. I saw a gentleman who was waiting to audition do some great routines. He was going on and on about the audition process. When asked how he knew so much about it, he said that he had auditioned a couple of months earlier, and had been rejected. Gulp. There were about 17 people auditioning. So many people, in fact, that there were two committees judging. The process was still horribly slow. About half-way through, I was called. There were three people on my judging committee. I don't remember their names, but they were quite friendly and supportive. They asked me about my renewed interest in magic, and I mentioned MAGIC! BBS. One judge perked right up, "Oh, yes, I know about that." she said. The only thing that surprised me about the opening interview was the fact that they kept saying "You've never taken magic lessons? No magic lessons at all?" I thought "well, heck, I guess this is a blow-out." I did my first routine. No problem. I was shaking, but not to the point where it detracted from the performance. My ad-libs were ad-libing, and my mouth wasn't letting me down. Everything went quite well until I got about 6 or 7 minutes in. I suddenly drew a blank. Nothing. I don't think I could have told you my name if I had been asked. I have NEVER drawn a blank during a performance before. So, while I was getting ready to do 4 or 5 minutes of impromptu, one judge looks to the other two and says "I think we've seen enough." Talk about timing. I could have kissed him. I went upstairs to await the decision, and lo and behold Richard Turner was performing the close up room tonight, and he was at the main bar. I introduced myself to tell him how great I thought his video was, and he invited me to join him. He gave me a mini-lesson at the bar, and was an extraordinarily congenial person. After my conversation with Richard Turner, someone came up and asked if there were any applicants in the room. A number of us spoke up, and we were escorted downstairs. Bill Cosko addressed us by telling us we owed him money. And thus, I find out that I am one of the newest members of the Magic Castle. Of the original 17 applicants, 11 were passed. Some of the people who passed had gone on and on about how badly they had blown the audition. (One fellow said that one of his palmed balls had slipped out of his hand, and rolled accross the table.) It made me wonder what the people who had been rejected had done. I stayed and watched the close-up performance by Mr. Turner, and headed back to Riverside to write you all this message. Again, thanks to all of you for your helpful insights. I look forward to seeing you at the Castle. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30914 Dated 3:00:59 01-07-92 30860 <--> 30930 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: T A WATERS (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? T.A., I had never heard of the E.V. appreviation. I am constanly amazed at how much I don't know. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30915 Dated 7:22:42 01-07-92 30913 <--> 30920 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Kevin - CONGRATULATIONS!!! And welcome to the Magic Castle!!! Msg #30920 Dated 8:44:00 01-07-92 30913 <--> 30921 From: PHILIP HOPBELL To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Thanks, Kevin! I haven't auditioned yet for the Castle and I really appreciate you account so I will know what to expect. Tell me, are your routines linked together at all by a common theme? I ask because mine are part of a narrative. Congratulations. Msg #30921 Dated 9:52:15 01-07-92 30913 <--> 30929 From: MIKE KING To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Congrats!!!!! Hope to meet you at the Castle sometime. MIKE. Msg #30923 Dated 11:12:35 01-07-92 30881 <--> 31004 From: PETE BIRO To: WAYNE POWERS (X) Re: HOW... Forestville... stayed at old pal's mostly hung out, had Xmas dinner with huge family group... didn't do any scouting around, had to get back to do a project... on road now, in Ohio headed for Tabmans City in Nashville... mo later... Msg #30924 Dated 11:12:41 01-07-92 30884 <--> 30952 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE Yeah we talked bout my new sizestomach... got to run tometing... bye Msg #30925 Dated 11:12:45 01-07-92 30885 <--> 30927 From: PETE BIRO To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: 1991 Nice "Recovery"... hah... Just found two, count 'em, two rare books on my Want List at an olde booke store in Akron!! Msg #30926 Dated 11:12:48 01-07-92 30889 <- From: PETE BIRO To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: CALL FOR MR. KING Sorry, travelling, but will suggest anyone that can help to do so. Maven might know, but if anyone has a number for Lance Burton, I am sure Lance might know how to reach him. Msg #30927 Dated 11:12:53 01-07-92 30895 <--> 30928 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: 1991 Lloyd had a very weird sense of humor! Msg #30928 Dated 11:12:56 01-07-92 30900 <--> 30936 From: PETE BIRO To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: 1991 Lloyd had an great sense of humor! Do you know Jerry Andrus did a book, typeset, etc. and printed ONE COPY... it was a looooooong message to Lloyd Jones. Msg #30929 Dated 11:13:01 01-07-92 30913 <--> 30931 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Congrats... YO... you are now a full fledged Magic Dude!!! YO, and other words will now make more sense to you! Har!!! . If a guy had a palmed ball roll across the table he should not have done a trick that required palming... Dumnnn.... Got to be brief as on someone else's phone lines here... again YIPEEEEEEEEEEE Msg #30930 Dated 11:13:08 01-07-92 30914 <--> 30990 From: PETE BIRO To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? ta FOUND a Nightmare Alley here in Akron.... YO! cheep too.... Msg #30931 Dated 11:19:09 01-07-92 30915 <--> 30932 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION David, I don't have a doubt that were it not for MAGIC! I would never have had the nerve to audition. And had I managed to audition, it would not have gone so well without the insights of those on the board. Somehow, you have managed to get together some of the most intelligent, friendly, informed people around. The advice I received was top-notch. Thanks for starting and maintaining this WONDERFUL board! Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30932 Dated 11:19:15 01-07-92 30920 <--> 30933 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Philip, The entire reasoning behind my routine was to show as many different sleights as was possible. I had been told (accuratly it seems) that the judges are looking for a knowledge of magic. A more spectacular show could have been had by giving Hollywood Magic some money and walking away with some self-working tricks. So don't. Come up with good, strong sleights. I didn't realize that the tables are set up for sitting-down close-up. I can't see giving a decent showing of stage magic. Assuming any consistancy, I would practice sitting at a table with several people on the other side. I had to twist in strange angles sometimes so that a judge wasn't getting a view of what I was doing. The only advice I would give is to KNOW your routine. The first half-dozen guys who came back from auditions talked about how they had screwed up tricks. Several of them didn't make it. Have you ever been to the castle? If you would like to go, just tell me so, and I'll meet you down there sometime. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30933 Dated 11:19:25 01-07-92 30921 <--> 30941 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: MIKE KING (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Mike, I look forward to meeting you. Thank you for your good wishes. Are you at the castle often? Maybe we'll meet at the pig wake. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30935 Dated 12:08:17 01-07-92 -> 30944 From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN To: MAX MAVEN (X) Re: JARROW Max, Thanks for your prompt reaction on my question about Mac King's current location. Something else......can you tell me something about Jarrow. Dai Vernon calls him one of his favorites and refers to him as a dutchman. Was he really dutch, or was he german, two nationalities that are often mixed up. Similar as the often heard remark that Holland is the capitol of Denmark....... Msg #30936 Dated 12:29:24 01-07-92 30912 <--> 30953 From: T A WATERS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: 1991 Not to forget Pere Guido (Sarducci)... Msg #30937 Dated 14:04:35 01-07-92 -> 31054 From: DOC EASON To: HARRY CARROLL Re: ALLAN HAYDEN Harry, why isn't your name registered?? I am looking for a copy of Allen Hayden's Card sharp on Duty and cannot find one...is ol' Al around the buffalo area? If I could buy one directly from him im sure he could use the $$. Msg #30938 Dated 14:07:19 01-07-92 From: DOC EASON To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X) Re: SOFTWARE hope you have your computer back and running...awaiting WORD so that i can fine tune the use of zterm. holidays here were nuts and exhausting. Hope all is well. Msg #30939 Dated 14:09:10 01-07-92 -> 32434 From: DOC EASON To: DANTE LARSEN (X) Re: I'M FLYING INTO LA ON WED sorry I am new to the board...Im in there tomorrow eve jan 8 BKohler is picking me up and we may come to the castle. Will you be around? If y then Ill make a point of it. Msg #30940 Dated 14:12:27 01-07-92 From: DOC EASON To: STEVE BRYANT (X) Re: LITTLE EGYPT PROJECT. Thanks for the advance look at the items. Boy I sure like them. The presentation is great. Right up my alley. I don't have the books for the flying trick so i can only appreciate the lines which I do. I am inspired to look up the references and understand the tricks. Id be interested in seeing more form the volume and I'd be happy to write a blurb for you. Thanks again for the look. I really like your thinking and the art and layout is wonderful./ Msg #30941 Dated 14:19:20 01-07-92 30929 <--> 30948 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Pete, I can't believe how tickled I am about the castle. I find myself recounting minute details to my friends as I watch their eyes glaze over. Thanks much for the good wishes, and EXTREMELY helpful suggestions. I look forward to seeing you on the 19th. Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30942 Dated 14:50:50 01-07-92 From: MARVIN STERN To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X) Re: THREAD It's in the mail. Msg #30943 Dated 15:03:47 01-07-92 -> 30947 From: MARVIN STERN To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: CASTLE GREAT. You'll remember last night for a long time. Msg #30944 Dated 15:27:48 01-07-92 30935 <--> 31053 From: MAX MAVEN To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X) Re: JARROW Emil Jarrow was Jewish, and I think his family background was German. The confusion about his being "Dutch" has to do with the style of act he did in vaudeville, back in the early part of this century. At that time there was a standard style of comedy, in which the performer played the part of a confused immigrant with a heavy accent whose English was filled with silly mistakes. This was, I'm sorry to tell you, called a "Dutchman" act. And that is why Dai refers to him this way. As far as I know, Jarrow had no Dutch roots. Msg #30945 Dated 16:12:01 01-07-92 -> 30955 From: SCOTT ALCALAY To: ALL Re: MANSION MAGIC Well, another meeting of the Mansion Associates, a small group of performers here in the bay area. In attendence were Ted Maschel, fire James Hamilton, Bill Okal, Mark Hovsepian, and yours truly. The meetings are very casual and last nights round table was a presentation by James on the Herrmans. And as you may or may not know, he holds some of the most facinating on the magicians of the late 1800's. The topics change frequently and the space we are in as a meeting spot is equivilent to the "Irma Room" at the Castle. If you have never been to the Mansion Hotel, It is definatly worth the stay in S.F. the propriator, Robert Pritikin, also hosts a parlor show featuring music, MAGIC, and Mr. Pritikin is also a "sawest". and does a small concert for the guests in attendance. The hotel is a B&B. and is decorated with Bufano sculpters and other objects d'art. (RECCOMMENDED) If you ever get to the bay area, the meetings are the first and third Mondays and attendance varies from meeting to meeting. leave me e-mail for more info. Msg #30947 Dated 18:00:40 01-07-92 30943 <--> 31110 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: CASTLE Marvin, Yes sir, for a LONG time. Thanks! Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30948 Dated 20:07:44 01-07-92 30931 <--> 30949 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Thank you for your kind words, Kevin. Here's to more MAGIC! in 1992! Msg #30949 Dated 20:10:16 01-07-92 30920 <--> 30959 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Just to stick an oar in - my own Castle audition routine was held together by somewhat of a narrative. Msg #30952 Dated 20:18:25 01-07-92 30924 <--> 31055 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: MAGIC CASTLE OK, well, if you see Doc again, you might subtley mention "Blimp" in connection with my name! Msg #30953 Dated 20:19:37 01-07-92 30925 <--> 30954 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: 1991 ARGH! (tm - Biro)! You found rare books in an olde bookstore in Akron! I can't even find rare books in a rare book list! Least not ones I can afford. In my youth, I courted a girl from Akron. Msg #30954 Dated 20:23:02 01-07-92 30936 <--> 31056 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: T A WATERS (X) Re: 1991 I do not appear to be the first one to have left Pere Guido out of a list..... In my list of other famous people I left out Phillip Glass, but, then again, I have always regarded him as significantly forgetable. Msg #30955 Dated 20:29:05 01-07-92 30945 <--> 31034 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X) Re: MANSION MAGIC Thanks for the info on the meeting of the Mansion Associates, Scott. Will have to get to San Francisco sometime - preferably in the Summer (you know, that one unusual Friday afternoon in August?). Msg #30959 Dated 22:05:33 01-07-92 30932 <--> 30960 From: PHILIP HOPBELL To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Thank you, Kevin. I find it difficult to imagine, however, anything spectacular about self-working tricks from Hollywood Magic. I think your advice of "know your routine" is very good and much forgot. My own tastes in magic performance concern stories and lessons. In other words, I am less inclined to just do routines: trick after trick without some linkage to each other. I guess I'm bizzare...hummm. Thank you as well for the invitation. I have several friends who are members and they, generally, get me in. But I'd be gald to take you up on the offer sometime (oops, another nasty typo). All the best, Philip Msg #30960 Dated 22:21:16 01-07-92 30949 <--> 30966 From: PHILIP HOPBELL To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Great! care to share the generals or the specifics with me? Msg #30966 Dated 23:11:53 01-07-92 30960 <--> 30969 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Sure - I did not have as well developed a "story line" as I might have liked, but my first three effects were "connected" in a reasonably plausable manner. As a matter of fact, under most ordinary conditions, I still use the same portions of the routine with some modifications as a part of my present routine. Basically, I did an effect (in the case of the Castle, it was one I had developed specifically for the audition - it was something too bold and too oriented toward magi to ever do with a lay audience). Then I said, "I got that effect from the Magician's Mail Order Service. Would you like to see how that works?" which was a segue to a second effect in which a specific bill was placed into a "mailbox," only to vanish and reappear in a sealed envelope in my wallet. The bill production then segued into a second card effect. The card to currency to card transition allowed me to do a deck switch and a coin load and I went from the second card effect to a coin effect. At that point my neat patter disolved from a consistent story line and I would have used the same coins to go into a coin effect somewhat similar to matrix (this was my "sweat point" by the way - I HATED this effect and was very nervous about it, but it was a "killer") and just before I was to start it, they cut me off! Like Kevin said, I could have kissed the members of the committee at that point! Msg #30968 Dated 23:29:52 01-07-92 -> 31009 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X) Re: TEST UPLOAD Er, Scott - I don't know what that was, or what you were testing, but I don't think it yielded the results you may have expected! With your permission, I will delete it! Msg #30969 Dated 0:55:57 01-08-92 30959 <--> 30974 From: KEVIN E CURTIN To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Philip, I would have agreed (all right, I still agree) with your assesment of self-working tricks from Hollywood magic, but am amazed at the number of profesional magicians I see doing them. I guess we're both bizarre. Or is that Jerry? Enjoy! Kevin Msg #30974 Dated 9:24:54 01-08-92 30933 <--> 31005 From: MIKE KING To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X) Re: CASTLE AUDITION Here Here!!!!! Let the pig be gone. Yes, I "do lunch" most every Friday and usually catch all the acts. Usually Monday nights (less of the bodies to dodge). I am going to be taking a group down to catch the palace show this Sunday night. Congrats again. MIKE Msg #30975 Dated 9:27:33 01-08-92 -> 30977 From: MIKE KING To: MARVIN STERN (X) Re: JUGGLERS Turned on the T.V. last Friday night and caught a show called THE BEST OF THE WORST. Never guess who was on? The two guys you hired for the SAM banquet last year. The short one balanced a "running" lawnmower on his chin and the tall one threw veggies into the spinning blade. It was stupid. But hey, they got paid and a network spot. Thought you might get a kick out of knowing about their appearance. HOw's tricks? Give me a shout when you get a chance. MIKE. Msg #30977 Dated 10:15:12 01-08-92 30975 <--> 31089 From: MARVIN STERN To: MIKE KING (X) Re: JUGGLERS Would liked to have seen those 2 guys. Saw about 5 minutes of The Mad Magician on cable last night, with Vincent Price. Never saw it before. He use his Sawing a Lady in Half Table, and cuts a guys head off, puts the head in a black doctor-type bag. Before he can get rid of it, a visitor comes with the same type bag, and leaves with the wrong one. So the gal visitor goes traveling around town with a head in the bag. Well I guess a little, no forget it. Off to Vegas Thurs. for the Consum. Elec. show, and then the tables. See you a week from Fri for lunch, maybe. Msg #30980 Dated 10:44:50 01-08-92 30461 <--> 30997 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG But what are you gonna do with all the redheaded feckled folks and the leprechauns? Msg #30981 Dated 10:44:58 01-08-92 30462 <--> 31061 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: COVEN? A packet of prestidigitators or even a talon of technicians might be considered as well. Msg #30983 Dated 10:45:16 01-08-92 30464 <--> 30987 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: URI GELLER Community theatre is an excellent place to learn stagecraft and performance techniques. Since it is mostly volunteer, it is not as costly money wise as professional training and the pressure can also be a bit more relaxed. There is still a large time committment. Msg #30984 Dated 10:45:29 01-08-92 30465 <--> 30988 From: BILL WELLS To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X) Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN Well, you got to admit that being able to buy a copy of Melinda's tape would sure beat the heck outa buying a tiger tail! Msg #30987 Dated 10:46:00 01-08-92 30483 <--> 30999 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: URI GELLER I am sure there are professional theater group/classes. The benefit of the community theatre groups is you don't have to pay to belong and participate yet one often finds directors that are quite good and who are excellent teachers. Msg #30988 Dated 10:46:12 01-08-92 30484 <--> 31000 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: CHOO CHOO TRAIN So the current line is "come up and look at my circus posters"? Whatever happen to etchings and lithographs? Msg #30990 Dated 10:46:32 01-08-92 30487 <--> 30991 From: BILL WELLS To: PETE BIRO (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? I don't know if Joe has a Lion's Head Award that would be suitable for you. Howsomever, I understand that Tabby has donated a slightly used glass eyeball to Joe to be used for a new award called the "Oh Now I see my way clearly" trophy. Msg #30991 Dated 10:46:45 01-08-92 30504 <--> 31064 From: BILL WELLS To: TABBY CRABB (X) Re: IS MAGIC DEAD? Your info on Vedaland is more current than mine, so I suspect the Florida venture has turned into another effort in another place as Amusement Business reported. Msg #30997 Dated 13:25:28 01-08-92 30980 <--> 31036 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: SHORTENED MSG "Feckled" folks? Some of 'em might take exception to that. The Leprechauns would fit in OK. Nathan swears that "Lucky the Leprechaun" (tm - General Foods) comes by our house to shower in our guest bathroom. Msg #30999 Dated 13:30:33 01-08-92 30983 <--> 31032 From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop) To: BILL WELLS (X) Re: URI GELLER I understand about the committment to amateur theater. Makes me wonder if I want to be committed. === END OF MAGIC-82 ===
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