MAGIC! - 84
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Msg #31500 Dated 12:26:20 01-16-92 31482 <--> 31508
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOKS
Am just about out the door.... got to go.... phone Silvan (tellyuou
his nr in 2 weeks.. fax same nr. by
Msg #31501 Dated 12:26:24 01-16-92 31484 <--> 31507
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, ONE STEP FURTHER
What woods? Conjurer's Woods? ARgh... jus' wait... dude...
Msg #31502 Dated 12:26:27 01-16-92 31486 <--> 31509
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MELINDA
It is a tape from a Woody Allen flick with someone in bed with a
horse??? ARgh.
Msg #31503 Dated 12:26:31 01-16-92 31488 <--> 31506
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: ANOTHER LOSS...
There is a book on my shelf, titled "Books at Brown" which tells
of H. Adrian Smith's great library.. how he got it, etc. Sad...
Msg #31504 Dated 12:26:35 01-16-92 31491 <--> 31791
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS MAGIC BAR
It is seven feet tall, but the design can be modified... Wait til
you see Hirose's where the coins catch fire as they descend...
Will be at IBM SLC.... WAZOOMA!!
Msg #31506 Dated 12:36:48 01-16-92 31488 <--> 31517
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: ANOTHER LOSS...
Indeed, it has not been a good week for magic. Seems similar to the
way that last year started. Thank you for letting everyone know about
H. Adrian Smith.
I opened my mail this morning to find that a friend (non-mage) had also
died.
Msg #31507 Dated 12:41:57 01-16-92 31501 <--> 31510
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, ONE STEP FURTHER
RE: "ARgy... just' wait... dude..."
I'm waitin'. It better be good, Biro.
Msg #31508 Dated 12:42:57 01-16-92 31500 <--> 31518
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
Have a good trip, Biro. Did you ever get my message about how you can
stay here if you need a place while in L.A., but that you gtta let me
know so's I can put fresh sheets on the bed?
Msg #31509 Dated 12:44:34 01-16-92 31502 <--> 31513
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MELINDA
ARGH! (RE: Woody Allen flick with someone in bed with a horse). I
still think that the Melinda story will be called Beauty and the Beast.
Msg #31510 Dated 13:02:52 01-16-92 31497 <--> 31512
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, ONE STEP FURTHER
You said "keep an eye on that dude".
Geno in his act told about Sammy Davis playing Wheel of Fortune, and
asked to buy an "I".
Geno gets the credit for that.
Msg #31512 Dated 14:55:24 01-16-92 31485 <--> 31514
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
R: TRIUMPH, ONE STEP FURTHER
RE: ".....teach me to zip my fly." That's funny. I had it down on
purpose. It was from a golf bet last week!
Msg #31513 Dated 14:55:28 01-16-92 31487 <--> 31521
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MELINDA
I hope so too. They (Melinda, her mom and crew) are nice folks
to me and I wish them nothing but the best.
Msg #31514 Dated 14:55:31 01-16-92 31497 <--> 31519
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, ONE STEP FURTHER
Jake Harris is on my mailing list and will keep him posted. Funny
story. I get this call a couple weeks ago to sit in (play piano)
with some guys at a club and today the guy at Giant Records has
called the guitar player and wants to come hear the band as he is
looking for a band thing for the label. Har!
Msg #31515 Dated 14:55:37 01-16-92 31498 <--> 31516
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAX ABRAMS
Are you now "south of the border?"
Msg #31516 Dated 14:55:40 01-16-92 31499 <--> 31634
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAX ABRAMS
The new ANNEMANN book he has put out. He did it by subscription
and is a MUST HAVE but I was too poor to pay my subscription and
had to pass after waiting a year. DRAT! I bought a conclave
instead, but I HAVE TO GET TO READ THIS BOOK!!!!! HELP!!!!
Msg #31517 Dated 14:55:45 01-16-92 31503 <--> 31635
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ANOTHER LOSS...
Thanks David Luther for the news of H. Adrian Smith of the S.A.M.
I wish I'd spotted "Books at Brown" while at Walnut Creek as I've
had an interest in this matter - Magic Books At Brown!!!
Msg #31518 Dated 14:55:49 01-16-92 31508 <--> 31522
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOKS
You don't need to change the sheets. I slept in my clothes on top
of the bed spread!
Msg #31519 Dated 16:44:57 01-16-92 31512 <--> 31631
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, ONE STEP FURTHER
RE: "Zip your fly."
Hmmm... Maybe this psychic stuff is working! If so, it is working in
weird ways, 'cause what I meant was that maybe we could teach BIRO!!!
Msg #31521 Dated 16:48:31 01-16-92 31513 <--> 31527
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MELINDA
They (Melinda and crew) are nice folks and I think they put on a good
show. Would really be nice if they can turn this into a "one up" on
old RL.
Msg #31522 Dated 16:51:08 01-16-92 31518 <--> 31528
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOKS
RE: Changing sheets and how you slept in our clothes on top of the bed
spread
Yeah, but you were six guests ago.
Msg #31524 Dated 20:04:58 01-16-92 -> 31637
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD IN GENII
Got a tip from Marvin Stern - he said "Read page 197 of Genii!" So I
did - Gary Ouellet did a special Genii report on "Copperfield Flies!"
and quoted review from MAGIC!, notably Pete Biro's and my own! Thanks,
Gary!
Msg #31526 Dated 22:00:33 01-16-92 31460 <-
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: MODEST MAX
I second that and add _Thavant_. Both have enriched my thinking
greatly.
Philip
Msg #31527 Dated 22:04:46 01-16-92 31464 <-
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MELINDA
Little does not have the video, Melinda has it. Little was ordered not
to make jokes about thesituation even though it seems to have been
Melinda who first mentioned the video in public. Little is being sued
by Orion not Woody Allen. The first part I got from Current Affairs and
some local "news" show. The second part about Woody I got from the
attorney for the film company (he's my corporate attorney). I'm not
sure I want to know anything more...
Msg #31528 Dated 22:13:38 01-16-92 31432 <--> 31632
From: PHILIP HOPBELL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
Does that mean they'll replace my copy?
Msg #31533 Dated 23:42:11 01-16-92 31480 <--> 31555
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAC HELP
I saw the Video Toaster last year running on an Amiga. Really
impressed. Amiga really found a niche. Saw the ads for Word 5.0 and I
think I'm going to upgrade next week. Would like to get a 3-D modeling
program, but heard that they take a lot of processing time (and $). Did
you get to see the Video Spigot from SuperMac? I've read that it has
some of the capabilities of the Toaster. Spigots, toasters...looks like
the Mac is becoming the "appliance" that Steve Jobs envisioned it to
be. I live in Alhambra (just south of Pasadena) and work in Chatsworth
(San Fernando Valley). Where are you from?
Msg #31534 Dated 23:49:54 01-16-92 -> 31540
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC LIBRARY
Anyone have any information about the magic library Copperfield is
going to build in Las Vegas? I feel that it's an xciting project and
may be one of the most significant events to legitimize magic as an art
form.
Msg #31538 Dated 0:26:01 01-17-92 -> 31545
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
Well here it is. The report on one of the best trips I've ever had to
L.V. It all started with a 3 a.m. call from Lance Burton. He was
rehearsing a couple of new illusions for the show. (One includes an
Elvis sighting) He invited myself and a friend over for the eight
o'clock Sunday show. Well that's all it took. The next day I was
Vegas bound. Made it there in under four hours. I mean there was no
traffic. Once there checked into the hotel and decided to run over and
chat with Mr. Munari. He was out of town. However I was informed he
would be around for the late show. Next I was off to the RIO where Ed
Alonzo is filling in for the next three weeks. Found out he would not
be in until the next night and headed back to the room to get dressed.
Then off to see Lance's show. I was greeted by his publisist who said
he wanted me and my guest to come back stage after the show. While
waiting for the show to begin. I ran into and had a nice chat with
Robert Baxt. The show was great. After I had dinner with Lance and
his guest star Michael Goudou(sp). I stayed only about 30 because I
knew they might need to check notes about the early show. Then we were
off to Geno's. Walking in after the show. Who should I find there but
Mr. Marvin Stern. Spoke with him and Geno. also meet Whinnie Paul
(Johhny;'s wife) and Gary Darwin. Had a nice chat with all. And
Marvin gave me pointers on a card move or two. Next day I helped Ed
Alonzo unpack and rehearse. Then later with Robert and his friend
Jamie Porter, we all attended the early show. Ed was the star and did
a great job. After the show we all had a nice meal and I had to head
back to L.A. Some of us have to work. But before i left town I spoke
with Vince carmen, who is at Circus, Circus. Also in town are Joseph
at The Flamingo. Shimada at Riviera. S and R at the Mirage. Melinda
at Sahara. Kirby Van Birch at Alladian. All the great guys at Geno's
in the Hotel Continental. And assorted others. Magic is doing great
in Vegas. Everyone should try and get over there. Rooms on
weeknights,
Sun - Thur are only $20.00 at most hotels. And food is cheap. It's a
great time to go. I am back there on Super Bowl weekend. Gonna see S
and R. Ed Alonzo again, Melinda and for sure a trip to Geno's show,
where i may just perform. It was a great trip. wish I could have
taken everyone on MAGIC along for wonderful time.
Msg #31539 Dated 1:48:02 01-17-92 -> 31548
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
Please leave me a message (public or private) with your Fax number.
I have some items I would like to share with you. Thanks.
Msg #31540 Dated 2:36:01 01-17-92 31534 <--> 31639
From: MAX MAVEN
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: MAGIC LIBRARY
The library already existed, with a scholarly background and a devoted
and informed curator. I fail to see how its purchase and eventual
transfer to a new location will be "one of the most significant events
to legitimize magic as an art form."
Msg #31542 Dated 4:08:09 01-17-92 -> 31550
From: DOUG SMITH
To: ALL
Re: RICK LITTLE
We saw the RL show at the Sands on Dec. 27th. He opened with a song
and then said " You may have heard about te comments made by my
ex-fiance. I was mad at the time that I wanted to burn down the house,
but now I have calmed down and only want to burn down half the house.
The half with her in it." He then continued, "these are the very
films so was talking about." Proceeded to show portion of a Kirk
Douglas movie "Lust for life." Secondly then a Gene Wilder film where
he apparently fell in love with a sheep. We dont recall him ever
mentioning M by name.
his show did not even close to the entertainment v alue of M's.
His show did not contain anything thatlooked of recent development.
Appeared to have gathered old material that had not been updated.
Msg #31545 Dated 7:19:15 01-17-92 31538 <--> 31558
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
Thanks for the review. It sounds like you had a great time!
Certainly, there is enough magic there to keep everyone busy!
Msg #31548 Dated 7:23:42 01-17-92 31539 <--> 31572
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
OK, will leave you fax number in priv. Still have a weird set-up here
that I've got to fix.
Msg #31550 Dated 7:26:15 01-17-92 31542 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: RICK LITTLE
Thanks for the RL review, Doug. Hard Copy certainly did not present
his comments about burning down the house (or half of the house) in a
positive light, suggesting that they had little entertainment value.
Msg #31552 Dated 9:55:19 01-17-92 -> 31640
From: MARVIN STERN
To: BRUCE SANDERCOCK (X)
Re: ENGLAND
New Genii, page 203 has a column on Mystique, that you and I saw in
Blackpool, England.
Msg #31555 Dated 11:41:23 01-17-92 31533 <--> 31566
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: MAC HELP
Well, The toster is new for the Mac. and the demo tape is incredible.
Since i am new to this computer stuff. I really was suprised at what
the FULL capabilities were. there were some really neat 3-d rendreing
programs, but alas I am only on a PLUS with 4 meg ram and a 20 mg hard
drive. Being origionally from the land of smogberry trees (culver city)
i would never drive your trek to chatsworth (or even go to chatsworth!)
Box canyon , maybe! I now live in San Leandro, just south of oakland,
and in the hills. how nice! What is your Magic interests? I currently
perform 4 nights a week at a family restaurant and do a bunch of shows
for (dare I say) _KIDS!_ I just ordered ACT for my mac and that will
ship in MAY. That is a customer contact program. more details to
follow. plus I got a demo version of lifegard. which tells me I have
been on my computer too long. and gives a voice to tell you to rest and
do something else for a few. so TTFN-
Msg #31558 Dated 14:56:22 01-17-92 31545 <--> 31562
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
Right you are. Enough great magic. Speaking of great magic. I foyu
haven't gotten a chance to catch the Palace show this week. Don't miss
it. It's REALLY BIG SHOE!!!!!! Great acts all. Whit Hayden, Mitch
Williams and Joe Given. Hope all's well on your end. mIKE.]
Msg #31559 Dated 16:00:37 01-17-92 -> 31564
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: TRIUMPH, 2 STEPS FURTHER
In case anyone is interested in the Triumph version I posted. (Look
back on the thread "Triumph, one step further") If you do the trick the
way I do you end up with the deck in perfect suit sequence ace through
king. If you do two Faro shuffles you will then wind up with the four
aces on the top of the deck to go into your favorite (If you have one!)
four ace routine or effect. I wouldn't just turn them over, as the
situation is ripe for a much stronger effect. You could cut to the
aces as Gary Ouellet shows in "Close-up Illusions" or have the
spectator cut to the aces by any of several methods. I know the four
ace effect has been beaten to pieces in magic literature, but doing it
ONCE for a layman in an imaginative way can have a powerful effect.
Does anyone else have any suggestions on how you would proceed after
getting the four aces to the top of the deck?
Msg #31560 Dated 16:12:58 01-17-92 -> 31563
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: LUNCH WITH BIRO
I will be able to attend brunch this Sunday if there is room. Whom do
I contact about if, when, where, and what time?
Msg #31561 Dated 19:04:28 01-17-92 -> 31575
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: ALL
Re: ANNEMANN BOOK
Does anyone know the status of the Annemann book compiled by Max
Abrams. Is it complete? Has he started shipping? I am looking foward to
it. Last Sunday Jan. 12th 1992 was the 50th Anniversary of Ted
Annemann passing to the other side of the vail! If anyone with personal
knowledge of the status of the book would respond it would be greatly
appreciated! Thank you!
Msg #31562 Dated 19:53:46 01-17-92 31558 <--> 31568
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
The schedule for several of the rooms at the Castle this week had top
notch performers.
Msg #31563 Dated 19:55:22 01-17-92 31560 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: LUNCH WITH BIRO
I have been negligent in my duties and have to find out when the brunch
is. I'll post a message on SATURDAY with the info!
Msg #31564 Dated 20:00:51 01-17-92 31559 <--> 31579
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, 2 STEPS FURTHER
Wouldn't you also have four Kings on the bottom?
Msg #31566 Dated 21:20:57 01-17-92 31555 <--> 31569
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAC HELP
I sold my Mac Plus last year and bought an LC. I started with an Atari
800, moved to an Apple IIe, then got my Mac 128. I upgraded the Mac 128
to a Mac Plus. I now use the LC and a Powerbook 140 4/40, Syquest 44 mb
removable drive, and Sony 1304 13" multisync monitor. At work, I use a
Mac IIci w/105 MB hard disk, 20 MB RAM, 19" Radius 24-bit color
monitor. I do a lot of desktop publishing since I work in the Marketing
department for a small manufacturer/developer. I am also starting to
freelance at home. As for magic, my other passion, I am a member of the
Magic Castle. I perform strolling magic at corporate parties, studio
premiere parties, stuff like that. Last thing I did was the "Hook"
premiere party--what a blast. I'm not that good, but I do a lot of very
commercial stuff, and strolling is just so easy. Luckily, I have a good
friend who owns a party planning company with great connections. I try
to stay away from kids parties (too much stress!), but am going to do
something for a friend's six-year-old birthday party this Sunday.
Any advice? I don't think that three card monte will impress them.
Msg #31568 Dated 23:34:32 01-17-92 31562 <--> 31641
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
Am, brother. Caught Bob Raynor's award winning act at lunch today. Am
taking a group down oSunday night. Should be a hoot!
Msg #31569 Dated 23:32:41 01-17-92 31566 <--> 31570
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: MAC HELP
OK, for kids tricks, get ahold of some David Ginn stuff and his early
technique for handeling kids is just great. That is where alot of the
newer boos stem from. Stay away from the "drug store" tricks. the kids
have already seen the tricks a bajillion times. The paper tree is good.
Snake can routien is good (from Professional magic for children, DDavid
Ginn)the like sponge magic and well,, anything else they can relate to.
You do balloons? who is the agent in LA? you got the gif reader? I will
upload 2.2.10 tonight.
Msg #31570 Dated 0:24:09 01-18-92 31569 <--> 31586
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: MAC HELP
Scott has uploaded the GIF reader as NEWGIF.CPT. It is now in the
files area. Since this is a Mac program, I have no way to test it and
have simply gone ahead and made it available for downloading.
Msg #31572 Dated 0:38:49 01-18-92 31539 <--> 31726
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
Hi David, how have you been ? Haven't seen on in quite some time.
Are you coming to DMS or IBM in SLC ? If so will see you there.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #31575 Dated 8:52:48 01-18-92 31561 <--> 31582
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: ANNEMANN BOOK
Hi Steven! It is my understanding that the book has just been bought
by Louis Falanga, of L & L Publishing, although I'm not sure when he
plans to release it!
Msg #31578 Dated 14:48:06 01-18-92 -> 31580
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: BIRO/SEABROOKE BRUNCH
For _those_ _who_ _have_ _already_ _signed_ _up_ (ncluding PETE BIRO),
our scheduled seating for Brunch at the Castle tomorrow (1-19-92) is
12:30 p.m. The reservation is in my name (David Lichtman). Please
assemble at the Castle _no_ _later_ _than_ _12:15_. See you there!!!
Msg #31579 Dated 16:01:02 01-18-92 31564 <--> 31584
From: STAN LAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, 2 STEPS FURTHER
Yes, you would not only have the four Kings on the bottom, you would
also have four of a kind from aces through kings from the top of the
deck on down. That in itseld could make an interesting effect.
Msg #31580 Dated 18:46:52 01-18-92 31578 <--> 31585
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BIRO/SEABROOKE BRUNCH
Sounds like a great time. I haven't had atime to log on and see the
mention of the luncheon. Glad I logged on tonight. Hope to see you
all tomorrow. MIKE.
Msg #31582 Dated 20:56:31 01-18-92 31561 <--> 31593
From: DOC EASON
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: ANNEMANN BOOK
Did someone say Vail??
Msg #31584 Dated 21:38:11 01-18-92 31579 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, 2 STEPS FURTHER
Precisely what I was thinking -- although I liked your idea of going to
a four Ace trick, one need not do so as there are other things that
could be done.
Msg #31585 Dated 21:39:25 01-18-92 31580 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: BIRO/SEABROOKE BRUNCH
OK, if you are going to be there, drop by and visit!
Msg #31586 Dated 21:45:00 01-18-92 31569 <--> 31587
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MAC HELP
Thanks for your suggestions. I had forgotten about the paper tree;
think I'll try it. I don't do any balloons, but do sponges. I have a
version of gif reader, but probably not the latest. I work through L.A.
PartyWorks in L.A. I'll let you know how it goes.
Msg #31587 Dated 21:47:14 01-18-92 31570 <-
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAC HELP
I'll download it and take a look.
Msg #31593 Dated 0:44:35 01-19-92 31575 <--> 31597
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: ANNEMANN BOOK
Do you know of a phone number that I can check on the status of the
book? My check was just cashed this week and I wonder if this means it
is close to on the way. Please let me know if you have any other
information? Thank you in advance!
Msg #31597 Dated 7:03:06 01-19-92 31593 <--> 31642
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: ANNEMANN BOOK
The number of L & L Publishing is 1-916-525-5700. You'll get either
Louis, or the lady who runs things during the week - Michele. Good
luck!
Msg #31600 Dated 7:46:53 01-19-92 -> 31603
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: BIRO IS COMING TO MC
Got a call from Pete a while ago on ans machine and he wants me to let
you know that he will be a Castle today. His hotel phone has been down
as well as his Jeep, but HE WILL BE THERE!!!!!!!
Msg #31603 Dated 9:28:00 01-19-92 31600 <--> 31606
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BIRO IS COMING TO MC
Wow! Talk about transcontinental communications! THANKS for the
message from Pete! I was beginning to worry about the guy!
Msg #31606 Dated 15:24:24 01-19-92 31603 <--> 31613
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) ()
Re: BIRO IS COMING TO MC
What did Biro have for lunch?
Msg #31607 Dated 15:47:13 01-19-92 31156 <--> 31728
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
Kevin:
Gratulationscongrautlation! I'm
sure doing the shows will be the easy part...
Msg #31609 Dated 16:00:01 01-19-92 -> 31704
From: MIKE KING
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: PHOTO
Nice seeing you at the Castle today. Thanks for taking the photo. Let
me know what I owe you for it. WOuld like to get a chance to sit and
chat . Do you ever come in to L.A. during the week? Call me and we
can get together for lunch or dinner. Talk to ya soon. MIKE.
Msg #31610 Dated 16:02:13 01-19-92 -> 31612
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCH FOR BIRO
How's it going, buddy? Haven't heard from you in a while, so thougfht
(that's thought) I would give you a shout. Have bend looking at metal
for the slides of the "ladder" Different sizes and thicknesses make
different sounds. Appears that brass is the best all around metal to
use. I am going to have them cut by Tony Stratton (he made the hooks
for HOOK). He does great work. I think you'll like the results. When
might we get started on the rest of the ladder. The wood part. Will
wait to hear when you have spare time. Know you have been moving
things and getting settled. Hope to hear something soon.
Had a great lunch at the Castle. Peate was there as well as david
L. Burt Carpenter, Kevin Curtain and I ran into Robert Baxt and Norm
Neilson (my hero). A good show in the Palace O' Mystery. Joe Given
and Mitch Williams. Wish you could have been there. Talk at ya later.
MIKE.
Msg #31611 Dated 16:08:15 01-19-92 -> 31614
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: LUNCH...UH...BRUNCH
Thanks , David. Had a real nice time. Nice to see you and yours.
Hope to do it again real soon. MIKE.
Msg #31612 Dated 18:10:55 01-19-92 31610 <--> 31615
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: LUNCH FOR BIRO
Hi Mike:
Wish I could of joined ya'll today also. You were hanging out with
a couple of my good friends. It would of been great to have been
there. I was thinking about it this morning, imagining if money were
no object I would have hopped a jet to LA this morning and dropped
by the lunch and had some hanging out time too, but I'm scuffling
these days and will have to be the magic gad about some other day.
I would imagine that we should wait til you have the blades done
befopre we do any woodwork. We've just about solidified plans for
the new shop and are awaiting word from the bankers as to when we
get the check. Plans also call for adding metal working tools to the
wood stuff. We have a back log of projects to start on so there's
plenty to do when we get it going. Jet over to Nashville one day for
lunch at Mack's.
El Tab
Msg #31613 Dated 17:46:15 01-19-92 31606 <--> 31645
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BIRO IS COMING TO MC
While we all had Biro for lunch, Biro had a rather eclectic lunch. He
was down at the other end of the table, but it looked like turkey and
brocolli surmounted with a blueberry blintze. Even he made the comment
that he was having "a strange combination." The Brunch at the Castle
is quite good, with something for everyone. They have someone standing
by to make omlettes, they have Eggs Benedict, enchiladas, pasta, and a
carving board with ham, turkey and roast beef. There are hot dogs for
the kids, a salad bar with greens for the rabbits, and, rumor has it,
there is even a supply of Meow Mix for those who have cats as their
familiars.
The Biro bragged on and on about how terrific the MCCM had been,
regaling us with stories of the superb lectures by Max and Geno and
what Mike Close did to Johnny Ace, both with his squeeking toy and with
the "Rule of Three."
We got to see THE BOOK. It is MAGNIFICENT. He has really managed to
draw together the complete history of the Rings along with virtually
all of the routines ever done with them! Really, truly, he has done an
incredible job! Beautiful, simply beautiful.
He also showed us "Part Two" of his Billion Dollar Bill Switch. He's
saving Part One for the DMS Shoot Out. It is V-E-R-Y G-O-O-D. I think
I am up to my derriere in alligators.
A few of us, Nathan included, also managed to chat with T. A. Waters
and Max Maven. Also, Robert Baxt (he made a balloon doggie for
Nathan). Also Terry Seabrooke, Leslie Manning, and Ellen Turkelrott.
Joe Givan did an excellent job in the Palace. He has terrific
presentation of some classic effects. Some really good thinking o how
to take something and turn it into something else. Mitch Williams was
also good.
Msg #31614 Dated 18:17:03 01-19-92 31611 <--> 31623
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: LUNCH...UH...BRUNCH
Sorry we ran out of table, Mike. But it was good to see you there!
Msg #31615 Dated 18:15:22 01-19-92 31612 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: LUNCH FOR BIRO
Might just do that. May have a reason to get that way by the end of
March. My gig in Orange County fell through. The have pushed the
opening back almost a year. But when it does go. The booker says he
still wants me. Guess I'll have to wait and see what happens. Will
send samples of "blades" in the next couple of weeks. Good luck with
the shop. Talk to ya later. MIKE.
Msg #31622 Dated 22:14:31 01-19-92 -> 31655
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY REVIEW
I'm putting together my notes and hope to write it all out this week,
time permitting. Regular work is very busy right now. Will try to
give you a call tomorrow or Tuesday.
Charlie
Msg #31623 Dated 22:37:24 01-19-92 31614 <--> 31624
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LUNCH...UH...BRUNCH
No problem. As I told Tabby earlier. I got to sit next to Norn
Neilson (My Hero). SO it worked out for the best. Next time I would
like to sit with the important folks.
Msg #31624 Dated 23:06:22 01-19-92 31623 <--> 31629
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: LUNCH...UH...BRUNCH
I guess that the message to me is to go back to posting special events
notices with more noticable text! That way, fols like you won't miss
'em. Will try to do so in the future.
Msg #31628 Dated 0:51:47 01-20-92 -> 31648
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ALPHA-2
ALPHA-2.TXT, the second of David C. Muravez's electronic columns is now
available in the MAGIC! Files Area. Enjoy!
Msg #31629 Dated 1:19:00 01-20-92 31624 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LUNCH...UH...BRUNCH
I just haven't gotten on the board to read all the messages on-line.
I usually only have time to check my mail and answer it. So my message
was nothing more than a thank you for a great time.
Msg #31630 Dated 1:20:32 01-20-92 -> 31656
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
HELP! I need a way to pick a "plant"...uh "stooge" uh..."shill" with
out it looking like I'm doing it. I have many unique ways of selecting
a volunteer that is "freely chosen". But I need a bit of help getting
"my man" on stage. Once there he will do a great job. BUT HOW DO I
GET HIM UP THERE????? Thanking all in advance for advise and help.
MIKE.
Msg #31631 Dated 1:25:42 01-20-92 31507 <--> 31633
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, ONE STEP FURTHER
It WAS!
Msg #31632 Dated 1:25:46 01-20-92 31508 <--> 31636
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOKS
I decided on a hotel that has NO FRESH SHEETS... Talke to u
Msg #31633 Dated 1:25:49 01-20-92 31514 <--> 31657
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, ONE STEP FURTHER
And you is part of zee Band? Goody... got date with 300 mph lady
wednesday... We won one and got 2nd in another in Anaheim... OK,
but some good news. CAr repair will kill me abut 700 skins plus
parts (parts free tho) ARgh... duh... Leno not here... Will see
Harry Anderson tomoorow......
Msg #31634 Dated 1:25:56 01-20-92 31516 <--> 31658
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAX ABRAMS
Don't know details/ just ran into Keops... he wold kill in Nash..
b in tuch
\Mc Combe just gave me stuff for book... Markl Wilson has some
chinese info... get soon... hwzoooo
Msg #31635 Dated 1:26:01 01-20-92 31517 <--> 31659
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB(X)
Re: ANOTHER LOSS...
Byron has some copies of Books at Brown...I didn't have wen u wuz
here
Msg #31636 Dated 1:26:05 01-20-92 31518 <--> 31638
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BOOKS
I sleep uneder the bed... hotel is so bad they STOLE MY TOWELS
Msg #31637 Dated 1:26:08 01-20-92 31524 <--> 31650
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD IN GENII
Dante Larsen said, "Tabman is one of the good guys, I hope someone
does a review of Nashville for Genii and gets it to me soon!"
Msg #31638 Dated 1:26:12 01-20-92 31528 <--> 31649
From: PETE BIRO
To: PHILIP HOPBELL (X)
Re: BOOKS
I dunno... sorry....
Msg #31639 Dated 1:26:16 01-20-92 31534 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: MAGIC LIBRARY
It is the Mulholland Collection David bought for 2.2 Million bux!
Msg #31640 Dated 1:26:19 01-20-92 31552 <--> 31688
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: ENGLAND
Not Mystina? She is opening soon at the Castle.. Spent nice time
with here and her parents tonite...
Msg #31641 Dated 1:26:23 01-20-92 31558 <--> 31643
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
Strong show... Givan is great, Mitch has my permission to keep the
Zombie in... and Whit HAYDN is the KILLER MAN these days with the
right attitude....
Msg #31642 Dated 1:26:27 01-20-92 31561 <--> 31661
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: ANNEMANN BOOK
Let us know if you find out anything...I can't...Argh...
Msg #31643 Dated 1:26:31 01-20-92 31562 <--> 31651
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
Whit Haydn wants you to contact him re TRAIN LECTURE....
Msg #31645 Dated 1:26:43 01-20-92 31606 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: BIRO IS COMING TO MC
Shrimp. Blintzes, Pasta,Fish, Coffee NO BREAD, NO BOOZE and a
Tamale
Msg #31648 Dated 1:26:57 01-20-92 31628 <--> 31653
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ALPHA-2
THANKS TO ONE AND ALL FOR THE GREAT LUNCH TODAY AT THE FAMED
MAGIC CASTLE... AT THE MEETING MILT LARSEN SAID HE HIMSELF IS NOW
MAD ABOUT THE PIG AND IS TICKED OFF AND WANTS IT GONE!!!!
BOARD OF DIRECTORS RE-ELECTED NO CHANGES... ALL IS GOOD. NEW
DOWNSTAIRS LIBRARY IS A SUPER DUPER DEAL... WOWZO... TA HAS THE
GOODS!!!
Msg #31649 Dated 1:43:58 01-20-92 31632 <--> 31665
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
RE: "I decided on a hotel that has no fresh sheets."
You made a mistake, Biro. Shoulda come up here. Our sheets are so
fresh that you gotta slap 'em just to get any sleep.
Msg #31650 Dated 1:46:05 01-20-92 31637 <--> 31660
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD IN GENII
I'd do a review of MCCM for Dante, but I wasn't there. That does make
a difference, doesn't it?
Msg #31651 Dated 1:47:23 01-20-92 31643 <--> 31662
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
OK, I've misplaced his phone number (Whit Hayden's). If you got it,
maybe give it to me priv. and I'll give him a call? This train to SLC
thing could really turn into something very special!
Msg #31653 Dated 1:50:45 01-20-92 31648 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ALPHA-2
Wuz good to see you and to have lunch, Biro. Thanks for the info on
the Annual Meeting of the Academy. I didn't stay for it, Nathan said
he wasn't interested. Glad to hear that Milt wants it gone - why
doesn't he "make it so" and gone it? Good about Board being re-elected
with no changes. Should be an interesting year! Yeah, when it comes
to libraries, T A RULES.
Msg #31655 Dated 7:17:54 01-20-92 31622 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: MUSIC CITY REVIEW
Thanks Charlie, Glad to see you got home OK. Tell Walter B. I said
hello. Thanks for everything. Am enjoying reading Dorney's book,
_Trix and Chatter_. Looking 4ward to seeing your write-up as well as
seeing you in SLC this year!!
Msg #31656 Dated 7:17:59 01-20-92 31630 <--> 31664
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
Have TWO stooges and YOU select the first one but "he" refuses
to go so you ask him(her) to select the audience "volunteer" for
you and the second one is chosen (also a stooge) who does agree to
"mount" the stage.
Msg #31657 Dated 7:18:04 01-20-92 31633 <--> 31671
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, ONE STEP FURTHER
For a "free" car that'un is shore costing you a lot of mazoomba. The
300 mph lady zounds good, but make sure she doesn't leave skid marks
on your chest. Hahaha!!! Yes, I am piano in band, at least for a few
days. Leader of band, Steele Wheels, is now a writer for Ancient
Springs Music, so I want him to get the record deal, naturally.
Don't think I wanna go on the road, but I would like to cut the
album (a hundred skins an hour to play piano). Who knows, but I am
killing time waiting for the big loan so I can get to the real
work which is building magic. Ten more days and then we roll, I
pray. Yowsuh!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #31658 Dated 7:18:13 01-20-92 31634 <--> 31672
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAX ABRAMS
Keops is the magus from Mexico we ran into in Vegas, right?
Msg #31659 Dated 7:18:16 01-20-92 31635 <--> 31673
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ANOTHER LOSS...
Is Byron coming to Nashville on that Pharmacy Folk Confab???
Msg #31660 Dated 7:18:18 01-20-92 31637 <--> 31666
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD IN GENII
Dante said that?
Msg #31661 Dated 7:18:21 01-20-92 31642 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ANNEMANN BOOK
As far as I know the ANNEMANN book from M. Abrams is limited to
around 150 copies is is subscription only. It would be good news
for me if it is true that L&L picked it up so I can get a copy
"over the counter". I had my heart set on getting it and just
couldn't swing it at it time. Hopefully, the MC Library will have
one. Annemann IS the enigma! (intended certainly)
Msg #31662 Dated 7:18:27 01-20-92 31643 <--> 31667
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
Sounds like the ultimate convention. The club car of the SLC Xpress.
Msg #31664 Dated 8:17:14 01-20-92 31656 <--> 31670
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
Great. Knew I could count on you guys. Thanks, Tabman. I owe you
again. M.
Msg #31665 Dated 8:23:20 01-20-92 31649 <--> 31678
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVD LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOS
Iknow.. and I appreciate it but the logistics of what I need to do wi
th photo shoot and lab for Goodyear job is down this way and South.
Msg #31666 Dated 8:23:24 01-20-92 31650 <--> 31674
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD IN GENII
Charlie Randall is on the job and underway...
Msg #31667 Dated 8:23:27 01-20-92 31651 <--> 31675
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
If you can get enuf folks.
Msg #31670 Dated 8:23:38 01-20-92 31656 <--> 31714
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
I want to see someone "MOUNT" the stage... what size saddle?
Msg #31671 Dated 8:23:41 01-20-92 31657 <--> 31729
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, ONE STEP FURTHER
Land with your wheels a rollin'.... the gal is... (ooops this aint
privato!) tsk...
Msg #31672 Dated 8:23:45 01-20-92 31658 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAX ABRAMS
Right... from Mexico and works in Vegas etc. Killer wardrobe, etc.
Great act.
Msg #31673 Dated 8:23:49 01-20-92 31659 <--> 31715
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ANOTHER LOSS...
He said he was. You mite wannt call him on the Ameche... I am still
gone and will be for another weeeeeeek. Super bowl being taped by
my neighbor fo me...
Msg #31674 Dated 8:23:54 01-20-92 31660 <--> 31716
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD IN GENII
Sed what? SSURE... heloves ya...
Msg #31675 Dated 8:23:57 01-20-92 31662 <--> 31679
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
The Ultimate trip would be if I COULD BE ON THE TRAIN running frm
car to car switching bills and finding cards on the outside of the
windows... then as a we all get off... the train vanishes up the
track and Copp steps otu from behind the MASK of me he was wearing.
And I come out of an alley on his Motorcycle!
Msg #31678 Dated 8:53:05 01-20-92 31665 <--> 31692
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
Well, you could faxe the film to the lab and let 'em process it.
Msg #31679 Dated 8:53:41 01-20-92 31667 <--> 31717
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
We're workin' on getting the folks. The MAGIC! Train To SLC is gonna
be limited to NO MORE than 75 people.
Msg #31688 Dated 14:03:41 01-20-92 31640 <--> 31697
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ENGLAND
Mystique is a show that has been playing in Blackpool,
England since 1988. Bruce Sandercock told me about it, and when
driving down from Scotland, I realized that I was only about 30-40km
from Blackpool. So my wife and I detoured and spent several days
there.
Pete, are you in charge of the train to SLC? I must have missed most
of the info on the trip. I plan on flying in a few days early, renting
a car and seeing the sights. But in order to fly back July 4th
weekend, I guess I should be making reservations soon.
Sooo, what's the scoop on the train? I would love to see you get the
card on the outside of the window. You probably hang Nathan out the
window and have him slap the card on.
Msg #31692 Dated 17:31:57 01-20-92 31678 <--> 31718
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOKS
I took it to A&i (great lab) then got back here and there was still
one pic in my bag... back tomorrow... found grate pix of orsen
welles... and Stan blumenthall has cpy of the PROGRAM of the
Mercury Theater show of magic for me.
You guys all got to see MYSTINA this week at Castle. I go thre
tomorrow nite. tonite to Night court at Hermosa club...
Msg #31697 Dated 17:32:28 01-20-92 31688 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: ENGLAND
Careful Marvin... Nathan didn't want them to know he is an
assistant to Copperfield.... tsk....
.,
I went by your place to day on way to A&I lab... Mystina is girl
mage here for week.
.
Train trip is in Lichtman's hands. Have fun... later... pb...
Msg #31698 Dated 17:32:37 01-20-92
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM NAGEL (X)
Re: NUMBER
Ee;31687
Jim, Dick Kohlhaffer is at 301-647-7477, tell him I sentcha.... bah..
Msg #31699 Dated 18:05:58 01-20-92 -> 31700
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Actually, it might be a while. You're the first one in the data
statements, and when getting random numbers, you hardly ever see 1.
Msg #31700 Dated 18:07:14 01-20-92 -> 31721
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
In the game there is secret comparments in different places every game!
By the way, I have a message for you. Our SAM assembly president has
been questioned about the fairess of our occasional contests. While
the rules are fair overall, some of them might be inadvertently fair.
Anyways, someone mentioned he contact you, as you might be able to help
in this area. If you want to talk to him, (his name is Roy Porfido) his
number is (510) 455-0400. Also, the next issue of Grapevine has your
review of Sir Lantz in it, and you should get it in February...
Msg #31701 Dated 18:12:16 01-20-92 -> 31731
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
Me? Take my life seriously? WROOONNNNG! I enjoy life as much as I can!
Hey, I was looking through some old issues of Genii (Old as in 1988+).
I think I found you in the Baghdad column. Is that you as Scotty the
Clown (NO--It's another Scotty Alcalay?!?). Gee, all the good
performing "Scott" names are taken. Scotty the clown, Great Scott, the
Scottmeister....
Msg #31702 Dated 18:24:25 01-20-92 -> 31732
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD TOUR
Does anyone know if or when Copperfield will be performing in the San
Francisco Bay Area this year? I saw his show last year, and according
to you MAGIC!ers, it's better this year. Thanx for the help!
Msg #31704 Dated 18:31:34 01-20-92 31609 <--> 31722
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: PHOTO
Good to see you again too. Wish we had more time to talk. I don't get
into LA much at all, much less during the week. You might want to come
out and visit me some time in Moreno Valley or at work in Ontario
weekdays. I'll give you a call next time I'm headed for the castle. I
usually go on very short notice about once every six to eight weeks.
Msg #31706 Dated 18:37:41 01-20-92 -> 31724
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: ADDRESS CHANGE
My permanent address ( a postal service ) has gone out of business!!
for all those that have downloaded the booksale lists, and anyone else
who is interested my new address is: 25720 Rosebay Ct., Moreno Valley
CA 92553
Msg #31707 Dated 18:41:04 01-20-92 -> 31725
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Pete it was good to see you again. Wish we could have had more time. I
did not get to see the entire bill switch because of the show etc. but
what I saw (part 2)was significantly different from all other bill
switches. My previous comments were a concern that the audience would
just see another switch that looked to them like all other versions. I
think your method would be percieved totally different by the audience
as the PRESENTATION is not at all the same as the others. great going.
Msg #31714 Dated 20:37:52 01-20-92 31670 <--> 31739
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
A dog sized saddle!
Msg #31715 Dated 20:37:54 01-20-92 31673 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PET BIRO (X)
Re: ANOTHER LOSS...
I'll give Byron a call in a few days after this marathon is over.
Rehersing with Steele Wheels hours a day plus regular stuff plus I
Bone Pony is in Memphis next three days and i gotta make it over to
see them while this close. Whew! Hope things is good with you!
Msg #31716 Dated 20:37:59 01-20-92 31674 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD IN GENII
I'm glad. Thanks.
Msg #31717 Dated 20:38:01 01-20-92 31675 <--> 31740
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
Why not add Copperfield racing the train on the motorcycle and then
you guys trading places in the finale. I like it.
Msg #31718 Dated 20:37:52 01-20-92 31692 <--> 31741
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
If you is goin' to be at the Castle tomorrow night, it might be
possible that I could join you. What time you gonna be there? For
dinner or after dinner?
Msg #31721 Dated 20:41:34 01-20-92 31699 <--> 31736
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
WOW! I think that's the only time I've been rated number 1! And
considering the calibre of the others in the MCGAME, that's really
something!
Msg #31722 Dated 20:44:29 01-20-92 31704 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: PHOTO
Burt:
Sorry you don't get in town more often. Unfortunately I probably get
OUT of town about as often you get IN.
But it's still nice to see ya, and I hope I get the opportunity to do
so more often, whether I come to you or you come to me. Perhaps you
could let me know next time you're enroute to the Castle and I could
piggyback along, even if it is short notice.
The best to you and yours.
Sincerely,
Mike
Msg #31724 Daed 20:46:47 01-20-92 31706 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: ADDRESS CHANGE
Having the mailing service go out of business doesn't sound like much
fun at all! OK, will use the new address, 25720 Rosebay Ct., Moreno
Valley, Ca. 92553, from now on.
Msg #31725 Dated 20:48:37 01-20-92 31707 <--> 31737
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
I guess we should overlook the fact that Biro's new bill switch
violates all the premises of the contest, right? And I was playin' it
fair and square.
Msg #31726 Dated 21:59:28 01-20-92 31572 <--> 32096
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
Sorry, but at present will not be at DMS (went to Tabby's show in
Nashville) and will be in Denver for SAM Natinal Council meeting end
of this month and have large event here end of February.... just can't
work in the time nor the travel $$$$.... Also will be at SAM National
convention which, because of a #$(*#$*# up is identical dates with IBM
this year (but will bet it won't happen again for a long time.....).
I had hoped to get to Hank Lee's Cape Cod affair again this year but
work has really gotten snowballed past month or so and just don't know
yet. Out of all of the conventions, seminars, etc., that I have
attended I felt the Cape Cod Conclave gave the most opportunity to
associate, visit with, and make personal friends among the attendees of
any of them. (Nashville was a lot like that too....). Hope to cross
paths with you again soon.
Msg #31728 Dated 22:38:32 01-20-92 31607 <--> 32589
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
The strange part is that I was NEVER this nervous before. Not
the first time I sang in public. Not the first time I played a
musical instrument in public. Not the first time I acted in
public.
Maybe I would have been that nervous in all of those things if I
had had a committee judging me and no audience.
Again, thanks for the good wishes!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31729 Dated 22:38:41 01-20-92 31633 <--> 31743
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, ONE STEP FURTHER
Pete,
Does Harry Anderson perform anywhere locally? I would really
like to catch him live somewhere.
Thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
p.s. GREAT meeting you finally. I enjoyed our time. Let me re-
extend my invitation if you find yourself free while you're down,
I would be happy to drive out and buy you dinner or lunch of
whatever. (Well, not a new transmission, but you get the
idea.)
Msg #31731 Dated 23:27:44 01-20-92 31701 <-
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: HOLIDAYS
YUP! thet be me! also look in the genii that reviewed my BALLOON MAGIC
video for more!
Msg #31732 Dated 23:31:24 01-20-92 31702 <--> 31981
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD TOUR
are you in the bay area?
Msg #31736 Dated 1:20:29 01-21-92 31700 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE - THE GAME!
Roy is an old friend of mine... am in So. Calif. until the day
after the Super Bowl (also in Arizona this trip too...) Thanks.
Msg #31737 Dated 1:20:33 01-21-92 31707 <--> 31742
From: PETE BIRO
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Thanks much. That is what I always strive for... a different look
to what I do... good seeing you, even if it was for a short time.
Thanks... pete
Msg #31739 Dated 1:20:42 01-21-92 31714 <--> 31746
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
Just spent all afternoon with Seabrooke, lunch etc... and going over
Orsen Welles' ring routine with an old friend. Got photo etc.
TAB... ASAP... who was the actor in the movie poster for the Cold
Deck??? Urgent...
Just back from spending four hours in dressing room with Harry
Anderson and Jay Johnson... (Jay might do Salt Lake city!!!!)
and Tina and Turk Pipkin!! What a riot... had some ideos of
totally terrible acts... one guy got a heckler by hitting him over
the head with his guitar, cops arrested the comic!!!! Amazing tape.
And a XXX rated Vent act... beyond description... we laffed so hard
the tears were running down our legs!!!!
Msg #31740 Dated 1:20:54 01-21-92 31717 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: VIVA LAS VEGAS
You got it... get Oulette to work it out.... got to run a moment
the toilet float bowl sounds stuck here in my rat trap hotel...
Tomorow going to see Mystina (great act I hear)...
Msg #31741 Dated 1:20:59 01-21-92 31718 <--> 31752
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOKS
Tuesday I will be posing for photos for the book from 4:30 to about
8:30???? Mite take gal to dinner that is snappin pix, altho she
might be busy later???? Will be at
Castle as soon as I can from the job... will stay in Tux maybe...
Msg #31742 Dated 1:21:05 01-21-92 31725 <--> 31751
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
What premise? The bill was switched... and will fool the audience.
And besides I didn't do the first half (saving for Vegas!)
Msg #31743 Dated 1:21:09 01-21-92 31729 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TRIUMPH, ONE STEP FURTHER
Harry Anderson worked two shows tonight at the Comedy Magic Club
in Hermosa (end of 91 Fwy and South to 10th on Hermosa Ave)... he
is set to come back again soon with his friends. Call 310-372-1193
to find out when... good to seen youse!
Msg #31746 Dated 6:52:08 01-21-92 31739 <--> 31749
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
It's Randolph Scott in Cold Deck, am almost positive.
Msg #31749 Dated 8:42:26 01-21-92 31746 <--> 31750
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
Tanks... I thot it was a silent film era star??? Will try files on
Scott ... later dude... goin to gaughan's need to borrow a table for
the photo shoot... Harry Anderson is giving me his handling/patter for
the Himber Rings... got some more HOT stuff.... wwzoooo
Msg #31750 Dated 9:19:09 01-21-92 31749 <--> 31753
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
WAIT...........
It is Wm. S. Hart.............
William S. HART
Yow!!!!
Msg #31751 Dated 9:38:15 01-21-92 31742 <--> 31754
rom: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Don't worry about it, Biro. The big shootout will be at DMS. We'll
see what happens there.
Msg #31752 Dated 9:40:18 01-21-92 31741 <--> 31755
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
OK. Stay in tux! Adds class to the place. I've got a meeting in the
early evening that I forgot about, but will try to get down to Castle
around 10 p.m. Will look for you there. Tux will help me recognize
you.
Msg #31753 Dated 14:27:40 01-21-92 31750 <--> 31916
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
Hart it is... what a dude... specaking of dudes (i am online....)
John Gughan... went over and needed to borrow a table... he gave me a
Goldston Base or P&L, my choice (took the goldston) then CUSTOM BUILT
A TOP WITH THE GAFF I HAD LOST TO UNLINK THE RINGS.... COVERED IT WITH
NEW VELVET... LOANED ME A SET OF GERMAN LOCKING RINGS WITH MAGNETIC
RELEASE... AETC... ETC.. and wouldn't even let me buy lunch for him.
See how that apple core from Salt Lake pays offf....argh no more....
William S to the Max....
Msg #31754 Dated 14:29:32 01-21-92 31751 <--> 31763
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
By then I will have tired of the switch I use and will invent another
won... one... (won is the duel.... ark ark bark...)
Msg #31755 Dated 14:30:19 01-21-92 31752 <--> 31764
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOKS
If I do anything in the Tux you got to tip....
Msg #31760 Dated 16:42:08 01-21-92 -> 31766
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: GOOF-UP
Maybe next time you should let the phone co. do the messing around.
Msg #31761 Dated 16:42:53 01-21-92 -> 31767
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOS ANGELES
Pete: If you go by my business again, during the day, please try and
find the time to stop by.
I have a standing rule, that when an out-of-towner stops by my office,
I buy lunch. Offer still goes.
Msg #31763 Dated 18:35:18 01-21-92 31754 <--> 31776
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Just because you are tired of an effect doesn't mean that the audiences
are. I'm sure that most performing magi get tired of their act (Lance
and his doves comes to mind), but it puts meat and potatos (or
vegetables, if they prefer) on the table.
Msg #31764 Dated 18:37:17 01-21-92 31755 <--> 31777
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re BOOKS
OK, hope to see you at the Castle tonite (Tuesday). Will try my best
to get there.
Msg #31766 Dated 18:41:35 01-21-92 31760 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: GOOF-UP
Thanks for your call today telling me that we were having problems with
some of the MAGIC! lines (specifically line 1 on the rotary).
Apparently, while we were working on a completely different set of
lines a wire jogged loose. It occurred in such a way that the MAGIC!
system did not sense the problem, so everything was looking OK. I
appreciate your call.
Msg #31767 Dated 18:43:56 01-21-92 31761 <--> 31775
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LOS ANGELES
Is Arleta considered out of town for purposes of your buying lunch?
Msg #31775 Dated 0:17:15 01-22-92 31761 <--> 31779
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LOS ANGELES
I thought you were away... I have a lunch date for Wed., but if
it falls thru will call... mebbe next trip... thanks...
Msg #31776 Dated 0:17:19 01-22-92 31763 <--> 31783
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
James Lewis did nice switch, similar to Thumb tip but without one.
Msg #31777 Dated 0:17:22 01-22-92 31764 <--> 31778
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOKS
You made it! Great.
Msg #31778 Dated 0:17:25 01-22-92 31764 <--> 31784
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOKS
Kevin made it... Great.... (he like to drive?)
Msg #31779 Dated 0:17:28 01-22-92 31767 <--> 31782
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LOS ANGELES
Arleta is out to lunch!
Msg #31782 Dated 0:18:52 01-22-92 31761 <--> 31786
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: LOS ANGELES
I thought you were away... I have a lunch date for Wed., but if
it falls thru will call... mebbe next trip... thanks...
Msg #31783 Dated 0:18:56 01-22-92 31763 <--> 31792
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
James Lewis did nice switch, similar to Thumb tip but without one.
Msg #31784 Dated 0:18:59 01-22-92 31764 <--> 31785
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOKS
You made it! Great.
Msg #31785 Dated 0:19:02 01-22-92 31764 <--> 31800
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOKS
Kevin made it... Great.... (he like to drive?)
Msg #31786 Dated 0:19:05 01-22-92 31767 <--> 31797
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LOS ANGELES
Arleta is out to lunch!
Msg #31788 Dated 0:19:23 01-22-92 -> 31801
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: GLITCH
I did a long review tonite of Castleshow but cumputer ate it... sorry.
Msg #31790 Dated 0:25:36 01-22-92 31175 <-
From: FRANK ZAK
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: ADDRESSES
Doc,
The most recent address that I have for Allan is 27 Southview Dr.,
Arcade, NY 14009. Please tell him that I said Hi.
Frank
Msg #31791 Dated 0:29:28 01-22-92 31358 <--> 31814
From: FRANK ZAK
To: BART BISHOP (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS MAGIC BAR
Bart,
I'm having trouble getting my money guy to come up with 2.5M. I hope to
hear something by the end of the month.
Frank
Msg #31792 Dated 0:33:06 01-22-92 31763 <--> 31798
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
You're on the wrong track. If a performer gets tired of his/her act,
there is a serious problem. Performing magic for the sake of putting
food on the table is a bad case of having one's priorities out of
kilter.
And you're entirely wrong in speculating that Lance is tired of doing
his dove act.
Msg #31797 Dated 2:40:38 01-22-92 31779 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOS ANGELES
Looks like you sent duplicate messages (again). Yep! Arleta IS out to
lunch! Even the post office closes from 12:30 to 1:45 every day for
lunch. And I LIKE IT THAT WAY!!! Big thing in town now is a petition
to get our own zip code. We've been working on it for something like
15 years.
Msg #31798 Dated 2:42:16 01-22-92 31783 <--> 31799
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
RE: James Lewis did a nice switch, similar to Thumb Tip but without
one.
Don't be so sure, Biro. James Lewis and I had a very nice chat about
bill switches this evening. Very nice indeed.
Msg #31799 Dated 2:44:14 01-22-92 31792 <--> 31827
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
I agree with what you are saying and I suspect that we have used
"tired" in a couple of different contexts. I did not mean tired in the
sense of being unable to project enthusiasm but certainly by the
1,000th time one has done something one looses a certain sense of
mystery about one's own performance.
I happen to like Lance's dove act, but I also feel that to some extent
it is a bit of a security blanket for him.
As to performing magic for food being a misplaced priority, I must tell
you that although I have seen you comment several times in a similar
manner I have yet to fully understand your view of this. Just like a
tomatoe cannot grow in sand, I suspect that art ripens and matures when
one is well fed. This is not to say that art cannot come from hunger,
but that it probably has a better chance when one has the time and
energy to create it.
Msg #31800 Dated 2:53:27 01-22-92 31784 <--> 31815
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
Indeed it was great! Mssrs. Biro, Curtain, Sandercock, and Lichtman
spent a very pleasant evening at the Castle (Biro was wearing his
tux!).
In addition to each other, we saw some superb magic by Terry Seabrooke,
James Chantler Brown, Mystina, and James Lewis.
And as you can see by the time on this message, a weary Frog has just
reached home, too tired to hop.
Msg #31801 Dated 2:58:13 01-22-92 31788 <--> 31837
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GLITCH
You have to reconstruct that review, Pete! I want to read it to find
out what we did!
Msg #31805 Dated 8:03:24 01-22-92 31272 <--> 31810
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
Most gags like that need a straight man...I was only trying to give
you the combination needed to insure you reached the magicalumpen.
Msg #31808 Dated 8:04:00 01-22-92 31300 <--> 31839
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Well...I guess the Redskins will just have to feast on Buffalo steaks
instead of breaking the Broncos again.
Msg #31811 Dated 8:05:12 01-22-92 31330 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NASHVILLE
Hey man...can you tip the work on the Jesus' blood and sin trick? It
sounds like my kind of thing.
Msg #31814 Dated 11:09:34 01-22-92 31791 <--> 31870
From: BART BISHOP
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS MAGIC BAR
MONEY!.......Did I hear someone say money?!
There was a casino manager who was heard to reply to a women who
was complaining about the slots not paying off; "I am sorry, but
I feel our slots pay-off quite well.....they pay the lights, help,
heat, water and our other expenses...quite well."
I guess that sums it up for Vegas!!!
Bart
Msg #31815 Dated 11:58:23 01-22-92 31800 <--> 31821
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOKS
Too tired to hop or too tired to pop?
Msg #31817 Dated 13:40:42 01-22-92 31805 <--> 31840
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
The COMBINATION indeed! Terry Seabrooke delivered a great line last
night - "You know what Mickey Mouse wears? A Dan Quale watch!"
Msg #31821 Dated 13:52:56 01-22-92 31815 <--> 31841
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: BOOKS
You gotta understand Frogs. We sometimes get too tired to hop, but
never get too tired to pop.
It was some evening! I really didn't do it justice in my note last
night. And I didn't mention that Franz Harary was also in, testing a
new illusion in the Palace. It was a great looking, high tech device
but with subtle presentation
And I developed a whole new appreciation for Terry Seabrooke. It is
damned difficult to vanish a full-size African elephant, given the
space available on the Palace stage.
Msg #31825 Dated 14:45:49 01-22-92
From: DOC EASON
To: ALL
Re: HOUSTON AUTO SHOW
The Doctor will be arriving in Houston for the Annual Auto SHow jan 24
See ya there.
Msg #31826 Dated 15:12:47 01-22-92 -> 31842
From: DOC EASON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM CONV
Eric Mead, my ablebodied back up guy might like to come to SLC for teh
conv and hang out and help me do the bar show...throw in the
straightlines etc...could we work out a comp registration or some such
arrangements??
Msg #31827 Dated 15:29:48 01-22-92 31799 <--> 31828
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
You seem confused as to the difference between "projecting enthusiasm"
and actually having it.
I think your comment that Lance's dove act is a "security blanket" is
pure nonsense. The fact that Lance has expanded his repertoire into so
many new (and often risk-taking) areas makes it clear that he is not in
any need of any sort of "security blanket." That he continues to do the
dove sequence in his full show is, to me, proof that he maintains his
personal enthusiasm for it.
As to your comment that "art ripens and matures when one is well fed,"
it just ain't so. Mind you, I am in no way knocking success; I am quite
pleased that my art allows me to live comfortably, but the bottom line
is that if circumstances were to force me to endure financial
restrictions in order to stay true to my art -- a circumstance with
which I have my own share of past experience -- I would stick with my
art. Get it?
By the way, in reference to a previous discussion, you might be
interested in the following exchange from an interview with David
Cronenberg in the current _Rolling Stone_:
Q: Does the artist have any moral or social responsibility?
A: No. No. Still doesn't, after all these years. Still irresponsible,
after all these years. As a citizen, of course. As a parent, of
course. But as an artist, that's were the paradox is, your
responsibility is to be irresponsible.
Msg #31828 Dated 16:01:11 01-22-92 31798 <--> 31843
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
HaHaHaHaHa, Biro!!! YOU HAS BEEN HAD!!! YOU HAS BEEN FOOLED
_BADLY_!!!
I just confirmed with JAMES LEWIS --> HE MOST CERTAINLY DID USE A THUMB
TIP!!! And has published that same routine with a thumb tip.
In other words, Biro, _YOU_ have been fooled by a genuine master of the
thumb tip method!!! The contest is over, _I_ _WON_.
HaHa! HeHe! HoHo!!!
Msg #31831 Dated 18:46:02 01-22-92 31012 <--> 31833
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
Waiting to hear on two pilots i did for MTM...been really busy with
voicework...just finished revoicing a feature film...etc...etc...will
bring you up to date when time permits....how the hell have YOU been?
Hope to see you soon sometime, someplace!
'W.
Msg #31832 Dated 18:48:20 01-22-92 31033 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CASTLE AUDITION
my pleasure, kevin. hope we'll run into each other soon.
'W.
Msg #31833 Dated 18:48:54 01-22-92 31113 <-
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MAGIC PARLOR
I can't wait!
'W.
Msg #31834 Dated 18:53:44 01-22-92
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: 31004
Tab...try reading 31004 again...i just took a look and it seems fine
to me...no garbling at all.
'W.
Msg #31835 Dated 18:54:31 01-22-92 -> 31844
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: 31004
Tabby said you had trouble reading my message 31004...i just took a
look and it seems fine to me....no garbling at all.
Hope you're well.
'W.
Msg #31836 Dated 18:55:38 01-22-92 -> 31846
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: CASTLE
I heard that there was a fire at the Magic Castle yesterday or the day
before....anybody know anything about it? I sure hope it was just a
silly, untrue rumor!
'W.
Msg #31837 Dated 19:37:17 01-22-92 31801 <--> 31847
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GLITCH
I am crazy tonite... will see if later can refile the review.
NOTE: I FELL IN LOVE TODAY!!!!! More later.... YO
Msg #31839 Dated 19:37:24 01-22-92 31808 <--> 31963
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
There will be Buffalo Chips all over the place!!!!
Msg #31841 Dated 19:37:34 01-22-92 31821 <--> 31848
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOKS
I didn't like the Harary stunt... wobbled when was supposed to be MT
Msg #31842 Dated 19:37:37 01-22-92 31826 <--> 31894
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: IBM CONV
Send me a letter on paper (travelling and will forget) and will
comp him...
Msg #31843 Dated 19:37:41 01-22-92 31828 <--> 31849
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
GOTCHA... YOU BIT MY MESSAGE. OF COURSE HE USED A TT. AND GUESS
WHAT YOU KNEW IT AND IKNEW IT... SO WE WERE NOT FOOLED. HAR!!!
Msg #31844 Dated 19:37:45 01-22-92 31835 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: 31004
WUZ OK SECOND TIME AROUND... BUSY GOT TO RUN... SORRY DUDE... BE IN
TUCH
Msg #31846 Dated 20:09:00 01-22-92 31836 <--> 31910
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CASTLE
I hadn't heard about any fire. Biro and a few of us were there last
night and into this morning and all seemed fine. If there was a fire
earlier it appeared to do no obvious damage.
Msg #31847 Dated 20:10:20 01-22-92 31837 <--> 31851
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: GLITCH
Heck with the review! Tip the real work on the love affair! (Note:
This _IS_ a public message!).
Msg #31848 Dated 20:11:38 01-22-92 31841 <--> 31857
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
I didn't notice the wobble particularly. I just thought it was a tad
too long. Otherwise, it looked pretty good to me.
Msg #31849 Dated 20:14:34 01-22-92 31843 <--> 31852
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
NO WAY, Biro! Your message is enshrined, backed up, and will soone be
inscribed on the PLAQUE I WILL GIVE TO MYSELF (unless you decide to be
a gentleman and present it like you should) at DMS.
By the way, just for the record - James Lewis did _NOT_ use a thumb
tip! Close, but you is still WRONG.
Msg #31851 Dated 20:29:40 01-22-92 31847 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: GLITCH
see prive commentn to follow...!!!
Msg #31852 Dated 20:30:12 01-22-92 31849 <--> 31855
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Ihave a lesson scheduled for tonight with James Lewis..... NOW, YOU
HAVE TO GUESS WHO IS THE STUDENT!!!
Msg #31855 Dated 21:15:17 01-22-92 31852 <--> 31862
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Hmmm... Funny that you claim to have a lesson with James Lewis tonight
when he has an appointment to help me work out the mother of all bill
switches.
Msg #31857 Dated 21:17:33 01-22-92 31778 <--> 31872
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BOOKS
No, I don't like to drive. But I like to see you and David.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31858 Dated 21:18:19 01-22-92 -> 31860
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ALL
Re: IN A FLASH
HEE HEE HEE HEE!!!!!!! IT WORKS!!!!!
I just made my first batch of flash paper, and it works
beutifully.
I'm getting ready to try weird sizes and all kinds of strange and
unusual things. If anyone needs something different from the
norm for an effect, just let me know.
hee hee
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31860 Dated 21:20:01 01-22-92 31858 <--> 31868
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Congrats on the flash paper, Kevin! Just continue to be careful with
the stuff! Is there any way to flash treat real dollar bills?
.
Msg #31862 Dated 22:02:02 01-22-92 31827 <--> 31865
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Dear Max -
I do not believe that I am confused by the difference between
projecting enthusiasm and actually having it.
I guess I will either have to take your word for it, or will have to
call Lance and ask him how he feels about his dove act. Otherwise, I
don't think it is really my place to speculate upon it as doing so is
probably unfair to Lance.
Yes, your David Cronenberg quote does hark back to a previous
discussion. And Cronenberg is certainly entitled to his opinion. But
I regard it as rather shallow. To put it quite simply, I believe that
there is no right without responsibility. I believe that this is true
of artists as well as citizens and parents and that it is also true of
scientists and engineers, of medical practitioners and lawyers. Art is
no more nor no less elevated than are these other branches of human
endeavor and has no more nor no less right to ignore its
responsibilities.
Msg #31865 Dated 22:38:00 01-22-92 31799 <--> 31866
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Let me respond to this -- as one who has made his living at various
times as a stage actor, a magician and mentalist, and a writer, I
assure you that I enjoy getting well paid for what I do. I think,
however, that what Max was referring to was the notion of art as a way
of making money. It is nice when it happens -- but for anyone to go
into an art form as A WAY OF MAKING MONEY is a bit bizarre. It is also
destructive to one's self -- because if you are motivated by money, you
will try to figure out what the public wants and do that, rather than
grow as an artist. The hackworker tries to please the audience -- the
artist does what he or she wants and tries to get the audience to like
it. Sometimes they do -- and sometimes not.
Msg #31866 Dated 22:43:27 01-22-92 31862 <--> 31867
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
David -- just what "rights" do you conceive the artist as having? And
to whom is he responsible? Is, for example, Mapplethorpe responsible
to the Moral Majority? Please elucidate.
Msg #31867 Dated 0:11:24 01-23-92 31862 <--> 31871
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
If, as you say, it is not really your place to speculate on Lance
Burton's mindset re: his dove act, then why did you?
As for your reaction to the Cronenberg quote, if you can see no
difference between art and engineering, then I suppose there is no way
for this thread to continue. Just what is it that you believe to be the
responsibilities of art?
Msg #31868 Dated 0:39:40 01-23-92 31858 <--> 31873
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Glad you had success. Was thinking about you yesterday. Got a recipe
for the flash stuff and was going to FAX it your way. Give ma a call
at your easliest convenience. Would like to talk to you. My number is
(213) 856-5652. Talk to ya soon. MIKE.
Msg #31870 Dated 1:01:36 01-23-92 31814 <--> 31985
From: FRANK ZAK
To: BART BISHOP (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS MAGIC BAR
Sounds like you are down on Vegas. I think the recession that hit the
rest of the country is attempting to stay away from Vegas.
Frank
P.S.- It's not as bad as you might think.
Msg #31871 Dated 1:36:19 01-23-92 31855 <--> 31876
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
He called me to help work out the Mutha.... ahrg...har... small
world... there are only three of us left that think.
Msg #31872 Dated 1:36:23 01-23-92 31857 <--> 31889
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BOOKS
We are Flattered! Thanks... mucho...
Msg #31873 Dated 1:36:26 01-23-92 31858 <--> 31875
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
I thought I saw a glow in the Eastern Sky tonite!!!!
Msg #31875 Dated 1:36:33 01-23-92 31860 <--> 31882
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Real bills... GREAT... use half of one folded.... rah!!!
Msg #31876 Dated 1:36:36 01-23-92 31862 <--> 31883
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
If you have FOLLOWED Lance's "bird act?" you will see it has
constantly changed and evolved... he is always keeping it FRESH.
Got phone call tonite from London said Except for Maven and Jay,
Secret Cabaret was terrible!!! Hmmmmmm (was from an Agent in
London)....
Msg #31877 Dated 1:36:43 01-23-92
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: LOST MESSAGE
Ee;31870
CAn't seem to get a review of this week at the Castle to upload.
Will re write it in a day or two when I get some rest. So, it is
off to Parker Arizona until Sunday when I get back here... ten
hme (then home) on Monday!!!
.
Seabrooke's friend "TWIGGY" the model/actresswill be at Castle
Brunch Sunday!!!!
Msg #31878 Dated 4:14:52 01-23-92 -> 31880
From: DOUG SMITH
To: ALL
Re: EXPERIENCE
I learned something today. "While in a car wash, do not push the trunk
release lever."
Msg #31880 Dated 8:56:59 01-23-92 31878 <--> 31885
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: EXPERIENCE
It's OK to push the trunk release lever. Just make sure you are driving
fulll speed!!!! Argh... I once wnet thru and it was the kind you stay
in the car and couldn't get a window shut... and also rented a Hertz
Car in Denver (the ONLY FOUR WHEEL DRIVE THEY HAD) and it had just gone
thru their wash with all the windows open... I had no choice, hadda
take the car!!! ARgh to the max... glurg glurg glurgle....
Msg #31881 Dated 8:58:43 01-23-92 -> 31887
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: YARGHFOOOO
Still have a glitch in my review message. Am cold sober and still won't
go up... so when I get to Arizona onite will try agin!!! Argh...?
Yooo bet.... woof
Msg #31882 Dated 10:02:17 01-23-92 31875 <--> 31896
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
RE: Use half of one folded
Is this some obscure performance hint? Or are you suggesting that by
burning only 49% of the bill I can redeem the remainder and thus do a
cheaper trick?
Msg #31883 Dated 10:04:41 01-23-92 31871 <--> 31893
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
RE: "Small world... There are only three of us left that think."
Er, I think there are four of us left that think, but I can't remember
the other one's name.
Msg #31885 Dated 10:09:32 01-23-92 31878 <--> 31923
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: EXPERIENCE
THAT's what I love about MAGIC! The solid, practical advice one can
receive! Actually, in the case of my trunk, it makes very little
difference - the !@#$% thing leaks!
Msg #31887 Dated 10:14:21 01-23-92 31881 <--> 32071
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YARGHFOOOO
Hmmm... Can't tell what sort of glitch you might have in the review
message. Worse comes to worse, upload it to me as a file and I'll try
to fix it and post it as a message.
Msg #31889 Dated 10:57:36 01-23-92 31383 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BOOKS
I would certainly agree on the addition of Steinmeyer's "Device and
Illusion". I also feel that your "Focus" should be included.
Msg #31893 Dated 11:19:08 01-23-92 31865 <--> 31898
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Oooops, seems like we are off on an artistic theory discussion again.
And, much as I love same, we may soon have the other members
disenchanted.
I do agree that one should probably not enter the arts as a way of
making money. There are other avenues that are far more likely to
prove remunerative at substantially less risk.
"Hack," however, has always appealed to me as a pejorative appellation,
similar to any other slur, assigned by those who are less successful.
One could, for example, term Michelangelo a hack since a great deal of
his work was done under contract.
Msg #31894 Dated 11:33:32 01-23-92 31842 <--> 32072
From: DOC EASON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IBM CONV
am leaving for houston tomorrow for a 10 day auto show(joy) and I will
do it on my return. Thanks... Tony Shelley was in the bar last
night...truly an international magic spot now!!
Msg #31896 Dated 11:38:04 01-23-92 31858 <--> 31922
From: DOC EASON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
How about some really nice looking flash bills?? I promise i won't
tell the G-men.
Msg #31897 Dated 11:39:20 01-23-92 -> 31900
From: DOC EASON
To: ALL
Re: ASPEN LINK OFF LINE
I probably won't be on here til my return on Feb 3... sheets will be in
Snowmass at the Tower during my absence!!! Tony Shelley was in the Bar
last night and he sends his regards to all from the Rockies!! It was
a treat to have him there. See y'all in Feb
Msg #31898 Dated 11:36:49 01-23-92 31866 <--> 31899
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
I would assume that an artist would like to have some rights to freedom
of expression, to "go where no man has gone before," etc. As to whom
he or she may be responsible to, that depends a great deal on a lot of
factors. Certainly, one does not have responsibility to government or
to the "status quo" unless one derives one's support fro such
entities.
"Is Mapplethorpe responsible to the Moral Majority?" That is dependent
upon Mapplethorpe and upon his (although he is now deceased, since you
have used him as an illustration, I will act as if he is an entity)
views and contractual obligations. Mapplethorpe may have felt, for
example, that he had a responsibility to enlighten the Moral Majority.
That, of course, would be an intrinsic responsibility that he might
have undertaken. If Mapplethorpe received government support for his
work, then that raises a different issue in that he would have
responsibility to his patron which, in that case, would include the
Moral Majority.
Msg #31899 Dated 11:50:30 01-23-92 31867 <--> 31905
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
In retrospect it was perhaps inappropriate for me to speculate on Lance
Burton's mindset.
If you were an engineer, perhaps you would more clearly see how a
sleight change in your resistance could promote less heat and more
light. If you feel that my failure to perceive a difference between
art and engineering is due to either a lack of information or a
misapprehension on my part, why not take a moment or two to enlighten
me rather than assaulting me for holding such a view?
Msg #31900 Dated 11:58:32 01-23-92 31897 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: ASPEN LINK OFF LINE
I am assuming that you will be reading this upon your return in
February. Hope that you had a good trip and that all went well. Nice
to have you back!
Msg #31905 Dated 12:30:23 01-23-92 31883 <--> 31908
From: DAVID VANVRANKEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Hey!! How can you forget "the other one's" name?
His first name's he same as yours!
Msg #31908 Dated 12:59:40 01-23-92 31905 <--> 31909
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID VANVRANKEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Ah! Yes! You must indeed be "the other one!" Er, at least I _think_
so.
Msg #31909 Dated 14:42:37 01-23-92 31899 <--> 31913
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Simple. It all has to do with purpose. The purpose of engineering is
not the same as the purpose of art.
Msg #31910 Dated 15:28:46 01-23-92 31846 <--> 31915
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE
Well...that certainly is great news. Thanx.
'Wayne.
Msg #31913 Dated 17:38:29 01-23-92 31909 <--> 31918
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Would you be so kind as to provide me with your concept of the purpose
of each?
Msg #31915 Dated 17:41:52 01-23-92 31910 <--> 31927
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CASTLE
Don't worry too much - it would always be possible to use Super Pig as
a hydrant.
Msg #31916 Dated 19:34:12 01-23-92 31630 <--> 31919
From: SCOTT MILLER
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
well Mike one idea that I have used in the past is that you get a bag
of match boxes you put a one dollar bill in one of the boxes then
seemingly drop it in the bag with the restthen you tear the bag open
tossing all the boxes out over the audience and your shill has a
matching box with a buck in it the people scramble for the boxes and
you have your shill up on stage, and if you want to act like a real big
spender then make it a $20 and tell him that he can keep it for being
such a good helper!
Scott Miller
Steelfyre
(****[===================>
"Enigmatist"
Msg #31918 Dated 19:52:34 01-23-92 31913 <--> 31947
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
No.
Msg #31919 Dated 19:53:26 01-23-92 31916 <--> 31957
From: MAX MAVEN
To: SCOTT MILLER (X)
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
If memory serves, that comes directly out of Harry Anderson's lecture.
Msg #31921 Dated 20:05:10 01-23-92 -> 32075
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: BOOKS
Anyone care to provide more details on Mystina's act?
Curious as to what she does.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #31922 Dated 20:09:03 01-23-92 31860 <--> 31924
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
David,
YES! A dollar bill works extraordinarily well. There is no
discoloration. It feels like a fairly new bill. I wouldn't
hesitate to pass it out for inspection.
How many do you want?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31923 Dated 20:09:11 01-23-92 31878 <--> 31959
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: EXPERIENCE
Doug,
Don't feel too bad. I did the same thing once with a mandolin in
the trunk. Not a good feeling.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31924 Dated 20:09:20 01-23-92 31896 <--> 31933
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Doc,
No problem! How many do you want?
They work REALLY well. I was amazed.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31925 Dad 20:09:26 01-23-92 -> 31936
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ALL
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
I guess I should put up a review of the other night at the
Castle.
My problem, I think, is that I haven't seen enough BAD magic. So
consiquently, I judge too harshly. I wouldn't want to be
reviewed by me.
I didn't see either close-up show, so can't comment.
The early Parlour magician was Rick Wagner. I don' know whether
the audience had been drinking too much or if Mr. Wagner usually
has a problem with pacing, but Tuesda it was off. The handling
was EXCELLENT. I like seeing a magician do something so well,
that even though I know what he's doing, I can't see it. But the
show was filled with starts and stops.
The host for the parlour told us to b sure to see the Palace
show, as there was a guest appearance by someone. He wouldn't
say who, so I got my hopes up thinking it might be our own Mr.
Biro. While waiting in line for the Palace show, I met David,
and we went in and saw the show.
Terry Seabrooke is a pleasure to watch. He seems to enjoy
himself so much. I get a little uncomfortable with the insulting
remarks, but all in all, a very funny guy.
James Chantler Brown was next, and was a good entertainer,
although his handling was a little sloppy. I don't know if we
were too close, or what the problem was, but I saw his dove
before an appearance, and saw the gaff for a floating cigerette
routine. One of those magicians that laymen say "There! He did
something right there. Did you see it?"
Mystina was very sexy. I enjoyed the demonstration of what a
limber body can do. Again, I saw a dove before an appearance,
and a couple of other minor problems. It may have been a wierd
angle. She did some very nice illusions for those who weren't
distracted by the aforementioned limber body. She does a good
show.
Franz Harrary was the guest magician that the host had mentioned.
He was there to try out a new illusion. I was less than
impressed. From the moment he brought his prop onstage, I
imagine everyone in the audience thought there was going to be a
person appear in the empty box. Pete and I saw different shows,
so I didn't see the moving around that he did, but I did see
some. It was a long routine with sort of a let-down for a
climax. I kept expecting something unexpected. No such luck.
Terry Seabrooke did another small routine and needs to get a new
TT. His stands out like a sore thumb. More than anything, he is
an entertainer, so if anyone noticed, they didn't let it show.
It really was a good show.
After the Palace, David and I met up with Pete, and headed over
to see the late Parlour show.
Pete knew the gentleman, and we were given priority seating. I
like this.
Jim Lewis was the magician for the late Parlour show. I have no
compaints about his act. I thought he handled the parlour well,
and the audience well. I enjoy his catch phrase which was that
he was a "real" magician. No tricks, just magic. He did some
great illusions, and did them well. He has one illusion where
coins fall into a shot glass that has a water glass inverted over
it. Well done show.
Pete, David and I chatted for a while, then Pete had to go.
David and I chatted with Jim Lewis for a while, trying to
convince him that life means nothing without telecommunications.
We talked over some philosophies of magic, and finally headed on
out.
David and I decided to get something to eat, which was more
difficult than I had imagined it would be.
We were directed to the IHOP which was closed. We stopped at a
little coffee house that was closing as we pulled up, and finally
went over to Cantor's.
I enjoyed the evening very much, but, as mentioned earlier, the
real reason I went was to see Pete and David again.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31927 Dated 20:29:09 01-23-92 31910 <--> 31974
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CASTLE
Hi Wayne,
I'm still here. Am trying to get (keep) things moving and will
shortly have things going again. Then I'll drop in on you again
and we can have some orange sherbert!!
El Tab
Msg #31928 Dated 20:42:22 01-23-92 -> 32077
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TWIGGY
Watch out for Twiggy. Some years ago, Scarne appeared
on one of the afternoon talk shows -- Mike Douglas, if
memory serves. I wasn't impressed. He did an
extraordinary amount of bragging, then did an effect
where he tossed the deck into the air and snatched two
selected cards. Claimed no one else could do this.
The host then asked Twiggy, who was sitting at the
table with them, if she knew any card tricks. She said
yes, and then did the Four Robbers. An old trick, yes,
and well known to most, but she did it so well and so
charmingly that an unbiased audience would have
considered her the superior magician that afternoon.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #31929 Dated 20:43:01 01-23-92 -> 31931
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: ART
Can't buy this theory that artists supported by the
government should be responsible to the Moral Majority.
You seem to be supporting the mentality that has
constrained Soviet artists for so many years. If Big
Bro starts dictating what art is, it ain't art.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #31931 Dated 21:03:31 01-23-92 31929 <--> 31937
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: ART
Steve,
While I don't agree that artists should be responsible to the Moral
Majority, I believe that David brings up a good point. If one doesn't
want to be beholdin' to someone, they shouldn't take their money.
An entertainer takes the audiences money in return for entertaining.
I personally don't believe that the government should be giving most
of the money it gives. And as a taxpayer, I have the right to
critisize
anything my money goes to support. Be it on any grounds.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31932 Dated 21:14:03 01-23-92 -> 31938
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: ALL
Re: ACES...
HELP!!!!
I will be appearing in the late close-up at the Castle Feb. 10-16, for
the week I will be needing an extraordinary amount of ace of hearts
(both red and blue back bicycle) for an effect called CARD VAMPIRE. I
called Hollywood Magic today wondering if they might have a one-way
forcing deck with the cards I need but no luck, and to top it off they
don't even know where they get the decks from. In the past the gimmick
decks I have bought have been made by California Card Co. I am
wondering if any of you might have a number or address for them or
maybe the same for MAGIC CITY. Hopefully I might be able to get in
touch with them and get the cards I need. If any of you have a large
amount of red or blue backed ace of hearts available, drop me a line so
that I can get in touch with you. Any help would be appreciated.
.
Normally I perform the effect without this much trouble but with 21
performances It gets a little rough getting those cards. I will be
needing around 25 of them (in pristine condition). CARD VAMPIRE is a
new effect that I have created and will be marketing...I won't divulge
the details, you'll just have go see the act (for those of you away
from LA I will post a description the week after the shows).
.
I look forward to seeing and meeting many of you that week...my show is
going to be a little...er...lets say strange. Plenty of magic but
rather off the wall...but then I wouldn't be the GEEKMAN.
.
Again, any help or suggestions would be appreciated...The One, The
Only...
THE GEEKMAN!!!
Msg #31933 Dated 21:29:24 01-23-92 31858 <--> 31935
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
You made nitrocellulose (flash paper)? How well does it work? As good
as the commercial stuff? How hard was it to make? Is it cheaper than
buying it ready made? I'd be interested in hearing the details. Where'd
you find out the formula, anyway?
Msg #31935 Dated 22:45:17 01-23-92 31922 <--> 31941
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Well, let's see -- I could use about one hundred 50's and about an
equal number of $100's.
Is the stuff stable for a long time? That could make a difference in
how many I might need at one time.
Msg #31936 Dated 22:49:15 01-23-92 31925 <--> 31943
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
I would tend to pretty much concur with your review, although, as you
mentioned you may provide a bit of a harder edge than I would have.
You know what would have been great? If Harary's illusion had ended up
as an aquarium filled with water and fish!
Msg #31937 Dated 22:51:16 01-23-92 31931 <--> 31999
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: ART
Kevin has stated my concept very well!
Msg #31938 Dated 22:52:39 01-23-92 31932 <--> 31958
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: ACES...
Perhaps STAN LAKE will log on in the next couple of days. It is
remotely possible that he might have a lot of ace of heart cards in
Bicycle red poker size.
Have you tried Cards By Martin, 44533 N. Date, Lancaster, Ca. 93534?
Msg #31941 Dated 23:52:07 01-23-92 31933 <--> 31942
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Rick,
Actually, the flash paper I made works better than the commercial
stuff. I can control the thickness, the density and several
other components. I have always gotten as bright a flash. Mine
doesn't leave as much residue if you lay it on a surface and
ignite it. I was buying it for about $1.00 a sheet (about 8'' by
10'') and I can make it for about $.10 a sheet. I am also able
to dye the paper, or add chemicals to change the color of the
flash. I'm VERY happy.
Mike King recommended a book here on the board which had the
formula in it. I would point out however, that when I first
started making inquiries, the largest response I got was "Don't."
If I did not have a strong science background, I probably
wouldn't have. (Yeah, right.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31942 Dated 23:52:19 01-23-92 31935 <--> 31945
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
David,
Yes, it should be stable for a long time. I soak it in a
stabilizing solution after I'm done.
Why don't I send you a couple, and you can work with them as you
see fit? Of course, I don't know the legalities of burning
money, but as far as I'm concerned, all I'm doing is treating
money in a way that does it no apparant harm.
Do you want me to send it to your P.O. box, or bring some to the
Castle, or what?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31943 Dated 23:52:28 01-23-92 31936 <--> 31946
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
The one thing I did like was the fact that she seemed to fill up
all of the available space. A good planning of volume and space
considerations. Yeah, fish would have been good, or anything
that was more. Hell, a version of a switch would have fit the
theme and would have given us a little extra. Maybe in context
of a larger show the effect would have been more satisfying.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31945 Dated 0:08:15 01-24-92 31942 <--> 31982
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
I guess that burning money is a Federal crime! Probably why it isn't
done a lot outside of a designated government money burning site
(actually, I think that they shred it now, may not burn it) or a
designated Federal detention site.
But I'll bet I could get a great reaction at private parties for IRS
agents. If it is OK with you, why not send a bit to the P.O. Box.
Naturally, I will reimburse you for the costs.
Msg #31946 Dated 0:11:38 01-24-92 31943 <--> 31948
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
I liked a great deal of the concept behind the effect - something I
find that I often like about Franz's stuff. The idea that it built from
a shadow to a rose to a woman holding the rose was good, but it took
too long.
Msg #31947 Dated 0:28:41 01-24-92 31893 <--> 31949
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
I have always defined "hack" as someone who does something ONLY for the
money; there are alot of journeyman pros who become artists in the
view of posterity.
Msg #31948 Dated 0:31:51 01-24-92 31936 <--> 31955
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Harary already has an illusion involving an aquarium.
Msg #31949 Dated 0:30:43 01-24-92 31898 <--> 31951
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
I am surprised at your notion that an artist has to be responsible to
his patron in the sense you seem to be using, i.e., that he or she
should be doing what the patron likes or wants.
The only responsibility the artist has to a patron is to produce the
art as he or she sees it; NOTHING more. Then again, perhaps I am
misunderstanding you.
Msg #31950 Dated 0:37:14 01-24-92
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: JIMMY GRIPPO TRIBUTE
David VanVranken has posted a biographical tribute to Jimmy Grippo in
the MAGIC! Files Area. The file is named JIMMY.TXT (a zipped version
is available as JIMMY.ZIP).
Thank you, David!
Msg #31951 Dated 0:37:54 01-24-92 31913 <--> 31952
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Since Max won't, let me try: engineering is devoted to solving problems
-- art is devoted to illuminating existence.
Msg #31952 Dated 0:42:46 01-24-92 31947 <--> 31953
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
OK, if the individual has no love for, or involvement with, what they
do, then "hack" could be appropriate. And useful in all fields,
except, perhaps, for programming, where it could be too easily confused
with "hacker," a term of high regard in some circles.
Msg #31953 Dated 0:46:43 01-24-92 31949 <--> 31954
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
I would think that the roles required of the artist and the patron
would be pretty much up to whatever they mutually decide they are.
I think that in the case of government being the patron, the roles
become somewhat more complex in that the patron is spending someone
else's money. Frankly, I would prefer if neither party would engage in
such going's on.
Msg #31954 Dated 0:49:31 01-24-92 31951 <--> 31978
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Thank you, T A. I really do appreciate your stepping in with your
concepts of the definitions of each.
I don't know if I could be as concrete though. I think that both
fields are devoted to illuminating existence, each in its own way. I
think that if we were to elaborate on those definitions we would find
that both fields attempt to reach out and to strive for enrichment.
I really am not attempting to be silly or sophomoric here, nor am I
attempting to split semantic hairs. I do feel that many fields of
human endeavour, art included, are attempts to advance the human
spirit. I do not think that art is entitled to any special
consideration beyond other fields in which humans attempt to achieve
great things.
Msg #31955 Dated 1:00:01 01-24-92 31948 <--> 31983
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Thanks for the information. I haven't seen Harary's aquarium illusion.
Msg #31957 Dated 1:45:25 01-24-92 31916 <--> 33082
From: MIKE KING
To: SCOTT MILLER (X)
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
That's, Scott. I'll give it a try. Since I will be playing fairly big
rooms. 500 to 3000 seats. It may or may not be what I need. Thanks
though. It will go in my Magic File. MIKE.
Msg #31958 Dated 1:54:46 01-24-92 31938 <--> 31976
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ACES...
Thanks David...I will try Martin, normally see him around the Castle on
Fri. nights. I will also send a message to Stan for help. If others
have ideas I hope they forward them.
The Geekman
Msg #31959 Dated 3:59:42 01-24-92 31923 <--> 31984
From: DOUG SMITH
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: EXPERIENCE
Congratulations on your flash paper. Which procedure did you use?
What do you estimate is the length of time from the start to finish of
a project? Hope your day has a few smiles.
Msg #31960 Dated 7:12:13 01-24-92 31817 <--> 31964
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ELMSLEY COUNT
That's g-o-o-o-o-d! ...as I am sure Terry might also be prone to say.
Msg #31963 Dated 7:13:06 01-24-92 31839 <--> 32082
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIROX)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
From newspaper accounts...the Bills seem to be doing themselves in
without any help from the Redskins. Of course, anything can happen
in any given NFL game.
The Washington area is absolutely gone nuts on the Super Bowl. All
the school kids are wearing Redskin stuff today as well as many adult
s. There is a huge rally planned for Tuesday (win or lose) when the
team has returnd. They had Redskin donuts (Burgundy and Gold icing)
in the bakery this morning when I stopped for a coffee on the way to
work. I read in the paper this morning that some fan is taking his
pet "hawg" named Rootien a special van to the superbowl. The
Hogettes left yesterday in a mobile home. Tickets are still availabl
e in the classifieds...only problem is that they cost $600 apiece and
you don't know if they are real or fake.
Msg #31971 Dated 11:02:37 01-24-92 -> 31973
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: FISM 94 NEWS
Our MAGIC!-NL member Heinz Minten spoke with Joshi Tamurz during his
visit to Europe this month. Heinz got the first newsletter from the
FISM origanisation.
.
.
From: Heinz
Re: FISM 94
.
FISM 94 NEWS LETTER NO1
JAN 1 1992
FISM 94
TOKYO
WORKING COMMITTEE
.
1992 HAPPY NEW YEAR !!
.
WE NOW PRESENT YOU, FISM'94 TOKYO NEWS LETTER NO. 1
LAST YEAR JULY AT THE FISM CONVENTION IN LAUSANNE WE ALL LEARNED
FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT JAPAN WOULD BE THE LOCATION OF THE 1994
FISM CONVENTION. MORE THEN LIKELY, ABOUT 1,000 MAGICIANS FROM
FOREIGN COUNTRIES WILL COME TO PARTICIPATE IN JAPAN. THIS
CONVENTION, TO BE AN ABSOLUTE SUCCES WILL NEED THE COMPETE
SUPPORT OF ALL THE MAGICIANS IN JAPAN. IT WILL DO NO GOOD JUST TO
HAVE THE SUPPORT OF A FEW PEOPLE.
.
HALF A YEAR HAS PASSED SINCE THE DECISSION TO HAVE FISM'94 IN
JAPAN. AT THIS TIME WE NOW HAVE A FORMAL WORKING COMMITTEE IN
OPERATION. THOUGH WE ARE FAR FROM HAVING ENOUGH MEMBERS IN THIS
COMMITTEE, WITH ALL OF YOUR COOPERATION WE HOPE TO HAVE A
SUCCESSFUL COMMITTEE. FOR THE TIME BEING WE PRESENT THIS NEWS
LETTER TO GIVE YOU ALL CLEAR INFORMATION ABOUT OUR COMMITTEE,
ITS MEMBERS, CONDITION OF PROGRESS, ACTIVITIES AS WELL AS ALL
THE SPECIFIC WORK DELEGATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON OR THAT WILL BE
PLANNED.
.
HERE IS A BRIEF OUTLINE OF WHAT WAS DECIDED ON AT THE FIRST
MEETING OF THE WORKING COMMITTEE HELD ON DEC. 23, 1991.
.
# 1. FISM'94 TOKYO CONVENTION PRESIDENT MR. MASATOSHI FUROTA
.
FISM'94 WORKING COMMITTEE;
CHAIRMAN MR. YOSHINOBU TAMURA
VICE-CHAIRMAN MR. TON ONOSAKA
VICE-CHAIRMAN MR. JUNICHIRO SEJIMA
VICE-CHAIRMAN MR. SEIYA ISHIYAMA
.
FISM'94 WORKING COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE:
MR. HIROKI FUKUSHIMA MR. YASUAKI MORI MR. MAKI KITAMI
MR. SHUNZOU KARASAWA MR. YUJI YAMAMOTO
.
AT THIS MEETING MR. Y. TAMURA WAS ELECTED TO THE POSITION
OF WORKING COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN AND IT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED THAT
OTHER MEMBERS WOULD BE ADDED TO THE COMMITTEE.
.
# 2. CONVENTION OUTLINE INFORMATION
.
TIME PERIOD: WE EXPECT ABOUT THE END OF JULY 1994 AND TO
LAST FOR SIX CONSECUTIVE DAYS
LOCATION: WE INTEND TOKYO NAKANO SUNPLAZA
FEE: REGISTRATION FEE 40.000 YEN (= APROX DFL 560,
BFR 10.000 US $ 310. THESE PRICES ARE OF COURSE OF THIS
MOMENT.heinz)
NO. OF PROSPECTIVE PARTICIPANTS: JAPANESE 1000 - 1200 NON
JAPANESE 800-1,000
.
at this time we are searching for a location for an office
that will be used as a central contact point for all
information and registration concerning the FISM'94 TOKYO
CONVENTION. WE HOPE TO HAVE IT READY BY THE NEXT NEWS LETTER
TO BE PRINTED AT THE END OF MARCH 1992.
.
******************** END OF FISM 94 NEWSLETTER #1 *****************
.
Mr. Tamura was visiting Holland after the Magic Hands convention
to discuss various FISM matters with Eric Eswin (former FISM
president during FISM 88 in The Hague). Richard Ross has been
requested to be a sort of artistical advisor for the Galas.
.
The gala's will probably be organized at the NHK (national Japa-
nese TV) studio's. And the convention center will be most probably
one of the big hotels in Tokyo with a capacity of around 2000
seats.
.
Sofar FISM 94 Tokyo news from Holland. When we have more will in-
form you immediatele (of course....).
Regards,
Arnaud
Msg #31972 Dated 11:03:18 01-24-92 -> 32005
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
MAGIC!-NL Fri 24 Jan 92 00:56
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
From: TOMMY WONDER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN
Subject: BILL SWITCH
Replies: #1117 <-
Read your message that you suppose that most performers
eventually get tired of doing their act, or at least that one
looses a certain sense of mystery about one's own performance.
Just got back from a show and have been doing one of my favorites
as usual. This trick I have been doing since I was 16 or 17.
Since it is a close-up trick I perform this several times an
evening. I think that over the years I must have done this thing
around 15.000 times, give or take a few thousands. And no, I am
not tired of it, I do not need to project enthousiasm, simply
because I AM enthousiastic about it.
The trick itself is not all that important, but it has become
something with which I can read and write so to speak, I can mold
my audience completely with this effect. In that sense it has
become a tool for me, a tool which allows me to do exactly what I
want with the audience. I am basically not doing the trick but I
am working with the audience. How can I get tired? The tool
(trick) remains basically the same, but the material (audience) I
work on with this tool is always different. When I see the faces,
when I see that I can make a potentially difficult spectator
still follow the interest path I have set out, when I have fun
with them, when the game is going smoothly, what more do I want.
There is nothing boring with being a master of your tools, in the
contrary. Being a master of the tools allows one to ENJOY more
the work you do with those tools. It is what you do with the
audience, and that does not bore me so far. Yes, it is true, this
effect does bring food on my table, but that is certainly not the
reason why I do this, I do it because it still continues to enjoy
me. Money should never be the reason, if it is money one wants,
it is stupid to do magic as a profession, keep it a hobby and go
in business, with the same amount of effort you'll make more
money in business.
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Msg #31973 Dated 13:06:18 01-24-92 31971 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: FISM 94 NEWS
Thanks to you and Heinz for passing on the FISM '94 information!
Great! Guess I'd better keep working on learning Japanese!
Msg #31974 Dated 13:59:45 01-24-92 31915 <--> 31975
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE
Yeah...but I'm not a dog!
'W.
Msg #31975 Dated 14:00:15 01-24-92 31927 <-> 31979
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CASTLE
Lookin' forward to it, Tabber!
'Wayne.
Msg #31976 Dated 14:04:38 01-24-92 31932 <--> 31987
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: ACES...
Tony:
Try Haines House of Cards...if you need the address, let me know.
Hope your shows go well. If I'm in town, I'll be sure to drop by and
see you.
'Wayne.
Msg #31978 Dated 15:33:24 01-24-92 31954 <--> 31980
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
How about this -- Engineering's purpose is to make life better and
safer; Art's purpose is to make life more meaningful and dangerous.
Msg #31979 Dated 17:08:57 01-24-92 31974 <--> 31991
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CASTLE
Ah, Wayne, it is indeed good to have you back here!
Msg #31980 Dated 17:12:55 01-24-92 31978 <--> 31994
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Interesting. I'm not really qualified to address the purposes of
engineering, although I am going to ask an engineer friend for a
purpose as proclaimed by the profession.
Personally, I've frequently had trouble determining what the word
"better" means. I would assume that engineers might give lip service
to "safer," but, then again, the World would probably be safer without
electricity and the internal combustion engine.
I do agree that at least one purpose of art is to make life more
meaningful. While I agree that art can sometimes be dangerous, I don't
know that it is necessary that it be so; only that it have the latitude
to be.
Msg #31981 Dated 18:11:56 01-24-92 31732 <--> 32053
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD TOUR
yes. In walnut creek. Why? Are you?
Msg #31982 Dated 18:53:19 01-24-92 31945 <--> 31988
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
David,
I just made up some bills, and will send them out. I'm going to
a family poker game tonight, and will try a bill switch, then set
the bill on fire.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31983 Dated 18:53:27 01-24-92 31946 <--> 31998
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
David,
Yes, it took too long, and the rose didn't make enough of an
impact.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31984 Dated 18:53:35 01-24-92 31959 <--> 31993
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: EXPERIENCE
Doug.
I don't understand what you are asking as far as procedures. Do
you want the recipe?
Time for a project depends on a couple of things. I have to let
a new batch of solution sit for about a day before I can use it.
If I have solution, it takes about forty-five minutes of soaking
time, then another twenty minutes fresh water rinse. Then a
three hour boiling. Then two one hour boilings. Then a
different solution soaking of about twenty minutes. And finally
a fresh water rinse, and hung up to dry.
I'm experimenting with changes in the procedure to see what
result changes I get.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #31985 Dated 19:10:26 01-24-92 31870 <--> 32032
From: BART BISHOP
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS MAGIC BAR
No, No, that was supposed to be a joke! We had a wonderful time in
Vegas. Got to see Lance Burton and Shimada too!
Are you going to be at the Desert Magic Seminar this year. We are all
looking foreward to it here.
The slots do pay the bills though!!!
Bart
Msg #31987 Dated 19:26:11 01-24-92 31976 <--> 32098
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ACES...
Thanks Wayne...if you've got an address & phone # I'd appreciate it.
Look forward to seeing ya again.
The Geekman!
Msg #31988 Dated 19:58:49 01-24-92 31982 <--> 32022
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Thanks! I'm looking forward to testing them. Do you happen to know
what temperature it takes to light them?
Msg #31990 Dated 20:12:25 01-24-92
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: JIMMY GRIPPO TRIBUTE
I have just discovered that the original Jimmy Grippo Tribute files,
JIMMY.TXT and JIMMY.ZIP, may have lacked line feed characters. I have
reloaded them.
Msg #31991 Dated 20:21:14 01-24-92 31975 <--> 32074
From: TABBY CRABB
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CASTLE
Myself.
Msg #31993 Dated 20:31:23 01-24-92 31984 <--> 32023
From: DOUG SMITH
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: EXPERIENCE
It sounds as if you are using the procedures found in Mickey Hades
book. It does sound like you use a lot of time and water. I was
courious if more recent information was out in the literature. I would
suspect that one could neutralize the paper by using a baking soda
solution, but apparently not of someone would have tried it. I have
access to a PhD inorgainic chemist if you any questions. Besides I do
like to stump him once in a while.....my only caution is that Purdue
University had a real nice explosion, if explosions are nice, when the
lab tech tried to hurry up the dring of gun cotton by using an oven.
(dring...drying)...keep up the eports as i enjoy hearing of success
with chemistry....need a motto...like Better magic thru chemistry...
Msg #31994 Dated 21:57:10 01-24-92 31799 <--> 31995
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
I understand that broadway shows have a complete going over with
the director after a month or so because of the cast going stale.
Some of the actors on the board might be able to confirm this.
.
I think that repetition has a built in boredom factor. One
keeps this at bay by the constant interaction with various
audiences and with a stepping back to look at the routine in
prvate to re-assess the beauty of it. _Beauty_ may not be the
correct word, but to look at it again as a director might.
.
Close-up workers have an easier time as they have the audience
reacting, and they can be seen. Stage performers are always
looking into darkness and that big black giant.
Msg #31995 Dated 21:57:28 01-24-92 31799 <--> 31996
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN(SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
The "performers" I've seen that have the money motive first
go to a Mgic Shop and buy some tricks to "entertain" an
audience. They have no love for the art and consequently have no
desire to learn the fundamentals. This is probably the great
difference between magic andthe other entertainment arts - no
grounding in the fundamentals. Think of dancers, singers or even
football players without the fundamentals - nothing!
Msg #31996 Dated 21:57:40 01-24-92 31865 <--> 31997
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Of all the arts I've seen, the only one that places a high regard
on pleasing an audience is MAGIC. Music, dance, what have you,
seem to want to pull the audience up to the level of the
performer's vision. The performing magician in viewing an idea
will always ask if it is a commercial effect or a prorgam item. I
don't know why this is, and I may be wrong in my perception, so
it is up to further explanation.
Msg #31997 Dated 21:57:52 01-24-92 31898 <--> 32000
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
This discussion has gone from somewhere to an artist's right to
self expression. Mapplethorpe or the artist with the crucifix
were not the people getting the money. The money was going to museums
displaying the art. Those receiving money directly, were performing
artists who might have some responsibility to the people
supplying the money. If there is an irresponsible party here it
might be the people on the committies who select the artists to
receive the money.
.
It should be remembered that opera, ballet and symphony
orchestras would find it hard to exist if it were not from the
support of the government and corporate sponsors. Those
interested in the popular such as Rock music might as well feel their
money is mis-spent.
.
Government support may be justified. The Canadian government
spent some money backing Doug Henning's desire for background
training. He learned from Vernon and Slydini, and both
influence are still seen in his performances. Money well spent
I'd say.
Msg #31998 Dated 21:58:16 01-24-92 31925 <--> 32024
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Jim Lewis is a fine performer and a great thinker. In Baltimore
he astonished me twice and then at a lecture later a third time.
After a lot of years in magic, this is not a minor feat. I had
little idea of what the hell he was doing. Yes, I saw clear-cut
effects but had no idea of the methods.
Msg #31999 Dated 21:58:26 01-24-92 31931 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ART
Kevin - I agree that taking money implies a certain
responsiblity. I'm thinking of Michelangelo who I understand had
to make certain revisions to satisfy the pope in painting the
chapel. We all seem to be hung up on the various arts. Painting
and similar arts should not be looked on in the same manner as
the lively arts such as theater performances. More of this at a
later time.
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