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Msg #32000 Dated 21:58:37 01-24-92 31947 <--> 32001
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Agree on the journeyman pros. Van Gogh, Monet et al were not
understood or appreciated during their time but are now giants.
Time will tell. Real hacks vanish.
Msg #32001 Dated 21:58:45 01-24-92 31949 <--> 32002
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
T A- I am assuming in this discussion that the patron has an idea
of what the artist is likely to produce or would not advance the
money. If I hire ? Jamey Wieth to paint my portrait I have some
idea of what it will be like.
.
The problem with government money is that the selection of the
artist is left in a committie's hands.
Msg #32002 Dated 21:58:57 01-24-92 31953 <--> 32003
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
T A. Agree on the first part. Are you willing to let ballet,
opera and symphony orchestras die from lack of finding? Perhaps
we need those thousand points of light?
Msg #32003 Dated 21:59:04 01-24-92 31954 <--> 32004
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
David - Science and engineering make life easier, not necessarily
enrich existence. Only art can advance the human spirit. Art
shows us a new way of looking at the world. Wether we look at a
painting or hear a one-liner, when we say OH YEAH, thats art. It
gives us a new way to look at reality.
Msg #32004 Dated 21:59:14 01-24-92 31978 <--> 32006
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
T A - I have a problem with "dangerous". Everything else OK.
Msg #32005 Dated 22:05:17 01-24-92 31972 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
TO: Tommy Wonder
VIA: MAGIC-NL/NETHERLANDS
As usual, Tommy, you have blown me away with both the elegance of your
concepts and with your ability to express them so well. Obviously,
despite English being my native language, I failed to say what I was
really trying to say.
The point I was really trying to make was that the performer needs to
keep in mind that although he or she is performing the effect for the
Nth time, it is new to the audience; that they are, presumably, seeing
it for the first time and that the performer needs to continue to
convey the appropriate sense of enthusiasm, excitement, etc.
In a way, I'm glad that my original remark was poorly written (!) since
it gave rise to the comments from you and from Cy Keller. I read each
of them several times. It is comments like yours (and like Cy's and
the others here) that help me to think through the issues, that trigger
new thoughts, and that keep MAGIC! fresh and new. Thank you.
Msg #32006 Dated 22:14:13 01-24-92 31994 <--> 32007
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Thank you, Cy. I just left a message to Tommy Wonder in which I
attempted to clarify what I had originally been trying to say. I can
see the problem that you mention with stage work, and my comment was
really intended to support the idea that the presentation has to be
kept fresh.
Msg #32007 Dated 22:16:24 01-24-92 31995 <--> 32008
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Personally, I've come to believe that without grounding in the
fundamentals, the "performers" of magic shop tricks aren't doing magic.
They may be doing tricks, but, then again, I've heard that there are
other types of performers who can turn tricks with very little
training.
Msg #32008 Dated 22:19:32 01-24-92 31997 <--> 32009
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (ysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
I'm told that the committees that select the artists are usually
composed of peers from the same art form. Thus the system of awarding
government funding becomes warped and distorted. I do not believe, for
example, that one cent of NEA money has ever been given to support the
magical arts.
I happen to like classical music and between purchasing recordings and
attending concerts, I spend a fair bit of my personal income on it.
But I do think that it is very questionable that it should be entitled
to government support. I think that the popular/Rock music enthusiasts
would have a legitimate gripe - why should government, which, after
all, is spending other people's money, make a decision that supporting
some art form is justified and that supporting another is not?
Msg #32009 Dated 22:25:01 01-24-92 32002 <--> 32010
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
I have no problem with any private entity supporting the arts in any
manner that it sees fit. One should be able to spend one's hard earned
money to support what one wishes to support.
Msg #32010 Dated 22:27:39 01-24-92 32003 <--> 32018
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Cy,
I don't agree that only art can advance the human spirit. I think that
art is one medium through which that occurs, but I think that the
dreams of others (scientists, engineers, medical, and even legal and a
myriad of other activities) are also valid.
Msg #32017 Dated 0:21:42 01-25-92 -> 32035
From: WAYNE SKENES
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD
Is there even the slightest chance that Copperfield will be performing
in L.A. again.. I missed him last month..
Thanks..
Wayne Skenes
Msg #32018 Dated 0:29:42 01-25-92 31996 <--> 32019
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
I have worked in various areas of show business -- and only in magic
have I heard performers say, "Hey, I don't care what I do as long as I
entertain them." Pretty pathetic.
Msg #32019 Dated 0:30:57 01-25-92 32001 <--> 32020
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
I have to say that I have serious misgivings about government funding
of ANY artistic endeavors -- of course I have misgivings about a lot of
other things the guvmint spends money on...
Msg #32020 Dated 0:31:58 01-25-92 32004 <--> 32021
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
By "dangerous" I mean threatening in some way. I feel that something
that does not challenge us, upset us, change us, may only be art by
classification and not content.
Msg #32021 Dated 0:35:10 01-25-92 32002 <--> 32025
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
I have nothing against artists getting funding of various kinds -- but
the government is a very different thing than individual corporate
sponsors. It is a "one thing" while there are many different kinds of
group sponsors in the private sector, and the company or artist needing
funding can approach those in synch with their aims.
Msg #32022 Dated 0:47:41 01-25-92 31988 <--> 32036
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
David,
I have no idea, but shouldn't have too much trouble finding out.
I imagine it will also depend on how fast you want them lit.
(Explosed for .1 seconds or 1 second etc.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32023 Dated 0:47:49 01-25-92 31993 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: EXPERIENCE
Doug,
I've used a hair drier to speed drying, but don't recommend it as
it causes the paper to become torn. I can't imagine someone
trying to use an oven. Interesting people out there!
I once heard a (probably apocryphal) story about the fellow who
discovered nitro-cellulose. He supposedly had spilled some
nitric and sulphuric acid and used his wife's cotten aprin to
clean up the mess, then hung the apron on the stove to dry.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32024 Dated 0:47:58 01-25-92 31998 <--> 32079
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Cy,
Even when I knew the methods, Jim performed them so well that I
didn't *see* anything.
Good stuff.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32025 Dated 0:48:06 01-25-92 32002 <--> 32037
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Cy,
I think you are making an assumption based on facts not in
evidence.
Ballet, opera and orchestras survived for hundreds of years
without the aid of the U.S. government. I have real problems
with just saying that the government shouldn't give money to
these art forms, however I also have real problems with earning
ten dollars and only getting five because the government is
giving the money away.
I have to imagine that if we weren't taxed so highly, there would
be more of an incentive to support the arts. Maybe this wouldn't
prove true. There is no way to find out. (One of the reasons I
was reluctant to get into this conversation in the first place.)
From a purely capitalist point of view, if there aren't enough
people who want ballet, opera and orchestras to support ballet,
opera and orchestras, then perhaps they are not long for this
world regardless of what the government does.
I think more likely, without funding the ticket prices would be
driven higher. Perhaps this would diminish the number of new
fans of these art forms, and you would be right in your belief
that this would destroy these art forms.
I'm just as confused as ever.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32030 Dated 3:24:03 01-25-92 -> 32038
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
MAGIC!-NL Sat 25 Jan 92 01:30
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
The only thing art is responsible to is itself.
If someone pays for it like government, a private person or
whomever, no way should the artist conform to their wishes, one
is not responsible to the person who pays! This person does not
pay an employee, but instead buys a product. If they do not like
the
product, fine, do not buy it anymore, but do not complain, after
all the artist, if he is honest can do nothing else but be
thruthfull to his work. Artists are employed only by their work,
their work is the one and only boss, not some mere idiot who does
not know half what the work is about. One's work must be free to
be able to exist, nobody can or should tell the artist what to
do. If you like it you can buy it, if you do not like it, then do
not buy it. After all, you are not obligated to buy.
If you give an artist an assignment and pay him for it, this
artist is not a hack by definition, you just trust the artist
enough(because of earlier work) and hope the result will please
you. If not, bad luck, that's the risk one takes. But the artist
MUST be free to obey to what his work dictates, otherwise you
will have
killed all possibilities for art to come into existence! An ugly
thought to me.......
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards 24 hours/day,
(31)-23-388725 (0:0/0) ---
Msg #32032 Dated 4:02:33 01-25-92 31985 <-
From: FRANK ZAK
To: BART BISHOP (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS MAGIC BAR
You are right about the slots paying the bills. As for the Seminar I'm
not sure. Joe had me handle the security last year. I'm waiting to
hear if he wants me to do the same this year.
Frank
Msg #32035 Dated 8:09:34 01-25-92 32017 <--> 32130
From: MIKE KING
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Not sure of the dates. But, he is going to be at C. Palace in Sin City
(Las Vegas) in a few weeks. Not sure if he's doing the "FLYING". But
it would be worth seeing him there. I have seen him ther three other
times. It's a great room. And he plays it well. MIKE.
Msg #32036 Dated 10:02:52 01-25-92 32022 <--> 32069
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
I don't think speed has much to do with it when it is something like
paper. I think there is a single flash point - like Farenheit 451.
What I'm thinking about is a way to trigger a remote effecct.
Msg #32037 Dated 10:59:53 01-25-92 32018 <--> 32055
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
I don't think magic, performed well, is as benign an art as we are
suddenly making it sound. First of all, there are still several
religious sects that view it as iniquitous. And it is a direct threat
to the nicely planned world of the MBA. It is a statement that there
are forces beyond those already understood by science. It doesn't
leave one with a nice, neatly wrapped world.
Msg #32038 Dated 11:07:02 01-25-92 32030 <--> 32040
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
TO: Tommy Wonder
VIA: MAGIC-NL/NETHERLANDS
I have a funny feeling that "trust me" was exactly how the Castle got
the Super Pig!
I can't see the world quite so purely as you do. I think that there is
art in the work of the patron as well as art in the work of the artist.
To dismiss the one role and to suggest that the patron is merely an
uncreative fool with a moneybag is to also devalue the role of the
artist.
Msg #32039 Dated 11:06:52 01-25-92 -> 32042
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: HARRY AND ARTHUR
For all you Houdini fans, here's an interesting bit of news. William
"Captain Kirk" Shatner is discussing plans to get his play on Broadway
by talking to several theatrical producers. The play called "Harry and
Arthur" is about a fictionalized encounter between Harry Houdini and
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. If he gets it on Broadway, it seems likely at
this point that Shatner will play Houdini. Guess who he wants to play
Doyle? Leonard Nimoy! I guess 25 years together on Star Trek wasn't
enough...
Msg #32040 Dated 11:29:56 01-25-92 32030 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Arnaud,
Please post this message for Tommy Wonder
Tommy,
For the most part I agree with your statements about sponsoring
an artist. In fact, I agree completely.
The only problem arises when the sponsor isn't an individual. Or
even a corporation. The tricky part comes when the funds are
received from a government.
I don't feel that there is any problem with the government
setting forth standards under which they will give money. If an
artist can't be true to himself and stay within those standards,
he is not under any obligation to take the money.
"To thine own self be true" means not putting yourself in a
situation that would cause you to comprimise your beliefs.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32042 Dated 12:47:58 01-25-92 32039 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: HARRY AND ARTHUR
That is interesting! Thanks!
Msg #32043 Dated 12:49:03 01-25-92
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: THIS EVENING (1-25-'92)
I am planning to be at the Castle this evening. If anyone else is
going to be there, be sure to look around if you want to find me!
Msg #32046 Dated 1:08:51 01-26-92 -> 32099
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
Just got home from the Castle, only to find out that MAGIC! had clicked
itself off earlier in the evening. Have put everything back together.
Meanwhile, it was a wonderful, but very crowded, evening. Hard to get
into shows and long lines. Saw Terry Seabrooke, James Chantler Brown,
and Mystina again in the Palace - all were doing good work tonite.
A surprise for the first Late Parlour show - Johnny Thompson was
filling in for James Lewis! Johnny was great - the ultimate egg bag.
Then we turned right around and went back into the Parlour for James
Lewis. (Tell the truth, Biro - he gottcha!).
Msg #32048 Dated 1:29:27 01-26-92 -> 32059
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: ALL
Re: INFOMERCIAL
Early this mornning (5:30am to be exact) as I was running
through the channels on satellite I came across Michael Ammar's
infomercial for his tape "Icebreakers". It was being shown on
CNBC. As normal the half hour "show" was filled with flowery
language touting the amazing ability to learn and perform the
tricks described in the tape. Included were a wide range of
testimonials from a variety of people including one from Mike
Ellis and people who have apparently learned magic from eithe
Michael personally or through the tape (most of the people hail
from Austin, where Michael lives). And co-starring in the show
is Glenn Falkenstein.
.
For $49.95 you get the tape and if one calls within a half hour
of the show they throw in Micheal Skinner's 3-card monte
routine. The program is produced by a company called Rainbow
Financial.
.
While I did not get to see it from the very beginning (I saw
about 20 minutes of it), it is well produced and Michael should
sell a ton of tapes...pretty soon we'll see Michael sell tapes
on how to buy Real Estate and Foreclosure properties with no
money down except for doing some magic...Dave Del Ammar.
THE GEEKMAN!
Msg #32053 Dated 8:16:28 01-26-92 31981 <-
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD TOUR
Yeseree!!!! I am in san leandro! and I work (doing magic, of course!)
at a local hayward restaurant. Casa Carlita's. I moved up to here june
1, 1989. and been at this restaurant since oct 89. voice me at your
conv. at 510-357-2499. will chat w/ u soon.
Msg #32055 Dated 8:28:56 01-26-92 31947 <--> 32080
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Hey now! thanks T A for setting me straight on the vernacular diffrence
of a "hack" and "journeyman". I did not get into this solely for the
bucks, but also for the posterity. So now I can be PC in my job
description. Its no longer Scott Alcalay-Magical hacker, now it's
-Magical journeyman!
Msg #32059 Dated 10:20:14 01-26-92 32048 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: INFOMERCIAL
I have yet to see the infomercial, but I have seen Icebreakers itself
and it is an excellent tape for getting someone started in magic. I
provides a set of very good effects and clear instructions. It also
encourages them to get more involved in magic and provides several
suggestions on how to do so.
I've had no hesitation in recommending the tape to people who have
asked me how they could get started in magic.
Msg #32069 Dated 17:07:39 01-26-92 31882 <--> 32076
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
No... a full bill might take too long to burn... and you save money
to boot... speaking of to boot... the Superbowl just started with
a stupid "not ready" nervous referee???? Duh...
.
I just got back from Arizona and yep NO CONNECTIONS IN THE DUMB
CITY... ER VILLAGE??? I WUZ IN....
.
SERIOUSLY...
.
I GOT THE JOB... I GOT THE JOB... I GOT THE JOB....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
.
STAY TUNEd....
Msg #32071 Dated 17:08:00 01-26-92 31887 <--> 32091
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: YARGHFOOOO
Will do so when I get hme or re-write...
Msg #32072 Dated 17:08:03 01-26-92 31894 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: IBM CONV
Have fun... am now headed home to wrap up the IBM details... been
on the road toooooo long....
Msg #32074 Dated 17:08:14 01-26-92 31915 <--> 32092
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE
You would need a really TALL dog!!!
Msg #32075 Dated 17:08:18 01-26-92 31921 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: BOOKS
Dove productions, cage vanish, cut ribbon thru blocks, sword thru
neck and dancing cane. But it isn't the TRICKS that make the act.
It is her style, dancing and acrobatic energy that ARE Mystina.
Come see here by the pool daily at the Magic Hotel...
Msg #32076 Dated 17:08:24 01-26-92 31922 <--> 32078
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
I will pay 50-cents per $1.00 flash bill. Duh.... howzya doin?
Msg #32077 Dated 17:08:27 01-26-92 31928 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: TWIGGY
Not going to visit Terry and TWIGGY... AM TOO SICK... out past
midnight in the desert and today lost my voice!!! ARGh.... then
after a brunch date driving 400 miles north to home and my new job.
Msg #32078 Dated 17:08:32 01-26-92 31941 <--> 32089
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Sounds goooood but be careful, dude!!!! YO!!! Will it cure my cold?
Msg #32079 Dated 17:08:36 01-26-92 31943 <--> 32085
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Mystina told me that the small size of the Castle stage was a areal
problem.. in that the props/tables seemed to dominant... on a full
sized stage they would be less important. That was a disapointment
to me... a stage full of tables always makes me think I am seeing a
dealer show!!!
Msg #32080 Dated 17:08:43 01-26-92 31951 <--> 32081
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
That's what I thought, TA....
Msg #32081 Dated 17:08:46 01-26-92 31952 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH
Redskins down to the FIVE YARD LINE!!! YO....
Msg #32082 Dated 17:08:49 01-26-92 31963 <--> 32097
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Skins on the 2 yard line!!! OOOps... held... next mesage... argh
Msg #32085 Dated 17:09:04 01-26-92 32024 <--> 32112
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Agreed. Lewis has the skill of the best...
Msg #32089 Dated 18:46:47 01-26-92 32069 <--> 32102
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Congratulations on getting the job! Now you can afford to burn full
bills! Nice to have you back from Noplace, Arizona.
Msg #32091 Dated 18:49:10 01-26-92 32071 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YARGHFOOOO
OK, will look forward to your review. I relived the entire experience
again last night with some guests. Seebrooke did different material -
more outrageous. And Johnny Thompson filled in for James Lewis' first
show (guess JL had an outside booking). Tom Mullica was in the
audience. Then JL did his show, with Kevin James and Antonio in the
audience.
Msg #32092 Dated 18:52:00 01-26-92 32074 <--> 32505
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE
I don't know if you would need a really tall dog. I've seen Chihuahuas
mark telephone poles.
Msg #32096 Dated 20:05:38 01-26-92 31726 <--> 32104
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
I'm going to put the Tabman's Nashville event in my schedule for
next, so will probably so you there. I know the problem of work
getting in the way of things you REALLY want to do.
.
Just got back from a week of skiing at Steamboat Colorado - DMS
next, then SLC in July.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #32097 Dated 20:05:42 01-26-92 31963 <--> 32203
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Saw the game today - some people were wearing pig noses. Can you get
us some for the pig-wake we are planning for the Castle ?
.
Bizarre.
G
Msg #32098 Dated 20:09:53 01-26-92 31987 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: ACES...
Can't help with the cards, but will definitely be there to see the
show. Break a Leg !
.
Bizzare.
Msg #32099 Dated 20:09:56 01-26-92 32046 <--> 32106
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
I was thinking about coming up last night but wasn't sure what was
going on - tried to get on the board and it was down ! Had a great
week skiing, will talk to you soon. What has been happening to the
BBS ?
.
Bizarre.
Msg #32100 Dated 20:19:24 01-26-92 -> 32103
From: GARY PLANTS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH
Kevin, I have had quite a lot of luck with flash cotton and flash
paper. Just wanted to mention to you that you might want to check the
laws about sending "flash material" through the mail. The laws are
VERY STRICT about sending explosives through the mail. Just thought
you might want to consider this. Let me know what your thoughts are on
this.
Msg #32102 Dated 20:34:47 01-26-92 32069 <--> 32109
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Glad you got to see the Super Bowl today. We taped it for you
just in case. Great news re: yo call re: DRIVE!!!! Yow, good
news.
Msg #32103 Dated 20:34:51 01-26-92 32100 <--> 32114
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: FLASH
Did you ever get my letter? on Mr. M??
Msg #32104 Dated 20:34:55 01-26-92 32096 <--> 32166
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
Try to come in on Thursday before the MCCMS 93. The Texans are
coming in then to help set up and party at the tabman's house!
Msg #32106 Dated 21:23:44 01-26-92 32099 <--> 32107
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
Last night at the Castle was JAMMED to the rafters! LOTS of people.
The system needs some maintenance and has had a couple of "phantom"
problems - the kind that leave no audit trail. We think we've got a
handle on them and have prepared a new version of the MAGIC! software.
I'll probably be making the changes in the next week.
Glad to hear that you had a good time on the slopes. We missed you
around here.
Msg #32107 Dated 22:05:20 01-26-92 32046 <--> 32115
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSO) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
David,
A couple of weeks ago, I was at the Castle on a Saturday and was
dismayed at the amount of people there. Does the restriction to
just members and their guests not help? Whasup?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32109 Dated 22:05:48 01-26-92 32069 <--> 32110
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Pete,
Congrats on the job!
Yeah, bills burn a little slower than regular paper. I used half
a bill the other night, and even had the spectator hold a folded
half-bill. No one noticed.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32110 Dated 22:05:56 01-26-92 32076 <--> 32111
From: KEVIN E URTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Gee! Fifty cents! (Maybe I can make it up in volume. [I know,
it's an old joke, but you go with what you've got.])
Things are going fine for me. I've got one company that wants to
hire me so bad they can taste it. I've had the woman in charge
of personnel call me three times. She's real impressed with my
computer abilities.
GOOD TO SEE YOU!!!! I hope you come down again in the near
future. It is always interesting to see how closely one's
imagined face at the other end of a keyboard matches the one that
actually belongs there.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32111 Dated 22:06:07 01-26-92 32078 <--> 32124
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
It depends on how much you want your cold cured. A suitable
explosion would take care of it, I'm sure, but don't think the
price is worth the results.
Yes, I'm very careful, but more of spilling acid on myself than
blowing anything up. I've already lost one eye, and don't really
want to lose the other. (Boy, would THAT make juggling
difficult.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32112 Dated 22:06:16 01-26-92 32079 <--> 32113
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Mystina puts on a good show. She keeps the energy up, and seems
to really enjoy herself. The fact that we saw so many of the
problems that some of the magicians were having leads me to
believe that maybe we were at a particulaly bad angle. Been out
for dinner tonight developing a sword-through-neck trick that
doesn't require the metal collar. I think it will be a good
effect. (Now I gotta build the bloody [pun not intended] thing.)
How is the Magic Hotel? I've never even seen it. Good place to
stay? Any connection with the Castle?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32113 Dated 22:06:27 01-26-92 32085 <--> 32116
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
I'm going to make a point of going down in a couple of weeks and
see Jim Lewis do the close-up room. Ought to be good.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32114 Dated 22:06:35 01-26-92 32100 <--> 32169
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: FLASH
Gary,
Okay, you sked for it.
There are good reasons for the laws regarding sending explosives
through the mails. However, I don't consider laws to be written
in stone from on high. If I send David two or three flash bills,
and the worst happens, (everything is set on fire) the worst that
would happen is there would be one tiny extra "poof." As far as
getting caught, these bills are undetectable. They look, smell
and feel the same as a regular dollar bill. They don't ignite
easily enough to be a danger. Since I'm putting no one in
danger, and the chances of getting caught are slim and none, then
I have no problem sending through the mail. Thanks for the
information though.
Which recipe do you use for your flash paper? Is it the same
recipe for flash cotton and flash string? (I know, you use
string or cotton, but besides that.)
Thanks!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32115 Dated 22:33:34 01-26-92 32107 <--> 32125
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
I think that the Saturday night restriction to members and guests DOES
help, but here's what happens . . . Basically, the Castle can control
the number of dinner reservations - I believe that they keep it to
something like 375 (I think I've heard that number, but haven't
verified it) plus the two Houdini Seances - 24 more, or right around
400 people. BUT any member can bring up to 7 guests without having
dinner and without making reservations - so another 200 or more people
can show up without reservations. That means that the place can be
jammed! On the other hand, I've been there on some Saturday nights
when it has been pretty quiet. As a general rule, we try to avoid
weekend nights unless we have guests.
Msg #32116 Dated 22:40:15 01-26-92 32112 <--> 32128
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Saturday night we were in the back row of the Palace and all the acts
looked good. Couldn't even see the wires for Seabrooke's elephant
vanish.
Msg #32124 Dated 9:20:10 01-27-92 32102 <--> 32126
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
I knew they would be makin' Buffalo Stew... but it was rougher on
Kelly than I thot it would be.... argh....
Msg #32125 Dated 9:20:14 01-27-92 32106 <--> 32132
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
I guess they came to see magic after witnessing football mayhem..
Msg #32126 Dated 9:20:17 01-27-92 32109 <--> 32127
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
That's what I used to do. The bills I had were foney printed ones
and you culdn't show much of em... argh
Msg #32127 Dated 9:20:20 01-27-92 32110 <--> 32146
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
I met someone and they had a qwerty face!
Msg #32128 Dated 9:20:23 01-27-92 32112 <--> 32129
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Magic hotelis next door. Same guy owns the ground as Castle the
parking lots, Yamashiro, etc. but diff managment. Hawaiian Gardens
1 door west is less $$ if you tell them Irene Larsen sent you;.
Magic hotel has been fixed up a little better. Nice pool etc.
In Ariz. I was at a great place and onl 29 bucks a nite!!!
Msg #32129 Dated 9:20:30 01-27-92 32116 <--> 32133
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
By the time you read this i will be on hiway 5 headin' home to
clean laundry! Adios... got migrane headache today... argh...
cold still bad... forgot to eat dinner last night in bed from 9 to 9
Msg #32130 Dated 9:19:13 01-27-92 32017 <--> 32138
From: JOSEPH SELPH
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
No sign of Copperfield returning in the near future, however, he is
scheduled to open at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas on February 19 for
about a two week run. Last I heard, tickets were $40.00. His current
show is a good one. Try to see it if at all possible!!
Msg #32132 Dated 11:12:39 01-27-92 32125 <--> 32141
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
I think that the Saturday night at the Castle preceeded the game that
I think was on Sunday. At least that is the way most weeks go. By the
way, who won? Er, I guess before I ask that, I should ask who was
playing?
Msg #32133 Dated 11:14:26 01-27-92 32129 <--> 32137
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Sorr to hear about the migrane. Hope it wasn't caused by brunch this
morning. Let me know when you get home.
Msg #32134 Dated 11:21:38 01-27-92
From: BILL WELLS
To: ALL
Re: SUPERBOWL CHAMPS!
Hail to the Redskins
Hail Victory
Braves on the warpath
Fight for old D.C.
etc.....
Msg #32137 Dated 15:09:02 01-27-92 32128 <--> 32144
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
It's not Hawaiian Gardens; it's Highland Gardens.
Msg #32138 Dated 18:08:57 01-27-92 32017 <-
From: BART BISHOP
To: WAYNE SKENES (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Here is what I have on D.C. Nothing soon in L.A. (sad)
Caesar's in L.V.: Feb 19 - Mar 2, Apr 15 - 27, Jul 22 - 27.
Sounds like a good reason to go to Vegas!
Bart
Msg #32139 Dated 18:40:32 01-27-92 -> 32140
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: MESSAGES
I can't get my main message computer to work... duh... doing something
wrong I guess... too tired, got the flu.... bye buy
Msg #32140 Dated 19:12:51 01-27-92 32139 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
OK, maybe computer has flu too. Call me if you think I can help.
Msg #32141 Dated 19:16:20 01-27-92 32132 <--> 3243
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
Bill Wells and his pals in Washington were probably thrilled and
delighted that the Redskins... nee HOGS... had Buffalo Stew for
din din... they trashed the poor lads from upstate NY... tsk...
S
Er;32133
Set new personal record. Left Brentwood at 12:30 and hit my drive
way at 5:40... whistlin' hummin' and singin' alla way... nice
feeling!!! Yar!!! Even my voice came back!
S
Er;32134
ENUF ALREADY... HOG PIE FOR THE RAIDERS NEXT YEAR!!!
S
Er;32137
Gee, then I made the check out wrong.... tsk.... that's what
happens when you have the flu.... argh.... near death last couple
of days.
Weather in Arizona changed on us and nearly froze up there!
S
E
bill wells
Gypsty Curse?
y
Ee;32138
sg #32143 Dated 19:41:08 01-27-92 32115 <--> 32153
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
David,
Unless you really enjoy lines, it sounds like weekday nights are
the best time to go.
I also saw something in one of the packets that was sent to me
about restricting to members only on Fridays also. But it
doesn't appear elsewhere. Is this just to screw me up?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32144 Dated 19:41:17 01-27-92 32116 <--> 32148
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Why would you want to varnish an elephant?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32146 Dated 19:41:37 01-27-92 32126 <--> 32147
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Pete,
I wonder how close to a dollar bill one could get before the
department of the treasury would take an interest. Hmmmm.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32147 Dated 19:41:45 01-27-92 32127 <--> 32177
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
re: a qwerty face. But a figure like Kim Dvorak?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32148 Dated 19:41:53 01-27-92 32128 <--> 32156
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Yeah, but they didn't have any phones for twenty nine bucks a
night. I've thought that it would be fun to go down to L.A. on a
Thursday night, spend the night and have Friday lunch at the
Castle. It's kind of a drive for us, so anything to make the
trip worthwhile. Thanks for the info!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32150 Dated 20:41:10 01-27-92 -> 32162
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: CARDS
Have you considered a pinocholdeck? Mark is moving this weekend!
Msg #32151 Dated 21:12:14 01-27-92 -> 32157
From: CY KELLER
To: EXPERTS IN THE WORLD
Re: ORTIZ
On Saturday Darwin Ortiz lectured at the KEN_ZO Party Place in
Baltimore, MD. Darwin is one of the most hard-working gambling
experts in the world.
.
Most of the effects, with the exception of the Torn and Restored
Card, are from his book "Darwin Ortiz at the Card Table". The
items were the following:
.
Jumping Gemini
Hitchcock Aces
Dream Card
Darwin's Three-Card Monte
The Vegas Shuffle
Torn and Restored Card
Regal Aces
Darwin's Wild Card
.
Darwin took great pains to explain every detail and nuance, and
the idea behind the presentation.
.
Highlights were the Dream Card and the Torn and restored card.
The latter is a development of LePaul's method with the first
good reason to tear a corner off the card and then to restore the
card. It took 6 years of development for Darwin to come up with
the presentation and changes in technique.
.
Versions of the Dream Card hve been dealt with lately as in
the Genii with the Pendragons on the cover. It is a fusion effect
and is incomprehensible to an audience.
.
If you get a chance to see Darwin, it's well worth it.
Msg #32152 Dated 21:14:21 01-27-92 -> 32158
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: BINARELLI
Just got "Class Act" by Gary Ouellet. This is the magic of Tony
Binarelli, an Italian magician well known it that country for TV
and other venues. The Book says that he is as well known as
Copperfield is known if the States.
.
197 pages at $30.00 and well worth the price. Some great ideas.
Some of the items call for props devised by Binarelli. They seem
to be available from the publisher and I know they are available
from Busby.
.
I will not go into the whole book, but want to mention some of the
items I might be tempted to use, or bring up some essays of
interest.
.
Magical Stagecraft - an essay on the use of volunteers, the venue
and applause. Excellent advice from a pro.
.
Binarelli's New Marked Deck - Great idea! Marking Bee Brand so
the card is read after it is back in the deck.
.
The Truly Ultimate Open Prediction - Good method with a new
adhesive method. Does not follow the challenge exactly, but close
enough.
.
Resurrection - This and The Phantom Visitor use a new method of
using the Thumb Tip which could lead to new effects. While
enclosed in a plastic bag, a bill or whatever is produced in the
hand.
.
Magic Wallets - Great essay on the available wallets and
their uses, which leads to a description of his Superwallet. The
wallet combines many of the described wallets in one. This wallet
is a pocket secretary. The width in the book is 11.5 cm wide
which is listed by Busby as 4 1/2". This seems a bit wide for the
pockets in my jackets. They should fit - but tight.
.
Great Wallet handlings of his wallet.
.
The Giant Card to Wallet -Three Small Jumbo Piatnik Cards
appear one at a time in the wallet. No palming; and very clean
handling - almost no moves!
.
Okay, The Price is Right - Marvelous mental and comedy
routine with a great surprise finish. This item plays for maybe
10 minutes and could well be the source of a reputation and
repeat bookings. Since the climax depends on a tax on clothing I
personally will find it difficult to use in Pennsylvania or
Delaware who have no such tax. Its a prediction of the guessed
prices of clothing which three spectators remove and price.
.
The Card Found in the Street- Great platform effect.
I understand that Tannens had a version of this by Garcia.
It is a very entertaining effect. A freely - honest - card
matches the card from another deck in the wallet.
.
Selection of Effects - An essay on how to choose and develop new
items to use in your act. Good advice.
.
The Cincinatti Kid Poker Game - A version of the ten card poker
deal. Very Clever and one I definetly will use. The spectator and
you shuffle and there is no looking for the Jonah card. The
climax needs a move but the rest is great. There is no way the
spectator can beat you playing the game.
.
Binarelli Challenge Cards to Wallet - A verson of the Jumbo cards
to the wallet for close-up. The final card is in an envelope in a
spectator's wallet.
.
Well, that's an idea of the items in the book. Some good
platform, some good closeup and some great essays. No halfway
ideas - all well thought out and routined. For someone looking
for new items, should be one of the best in '92. If, like me,
someone is intrigued by the wallet items, spending the big money
for the wallet is a good idea. Not everyone in the area will be
doing the tricks. One of the advantages of high prices.
Msg #32153 Dated 22:01:01 01-27-92 32141 <--> 32154
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
Looks like we got five messages for the price of one, Biro! Offhand,
I think you somehow reset your communications software to "expand blank
lines." That's a no-no if you are going to use IMP! files.
Msg #32154 Dated 22:02:24 01-27-92 32143 <--> 32167
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
At one time both Friday and Saturday nights were Members and Guests
Only, so you maybe got an old packet. I wish they would bring that
restriction back, but I guess the fact that Guest Cards were not
useable on any weekend night made a lot of people grumpy.
Msg #32156 Dated 22:06:00 01-27-92 32144 <--> 32179
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
OK, you got me to go back and look - but I wrote VANISH. As to
varnishing elephants, I think it was an old British East India military
trick - it made 'em easier to spit polish.
Msg #32157 Dated 22:09:08 01-27-92 32151 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORTIZ
Thanks for the report, Cy. Darwin does some very nice work.
Msg #32158 Dated 22:11:27 01-27-92 32152 <--> 32163
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
And thanks for the review of "Class Act." It sounds like a good book
with lots of good stuff in it. I especially like the part about the
thumb tip - did you know James Lewis uses 'em in his bill switch?
Msg #32162 Dated 0:05:59 01-28-92 32150 <--> 32198
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: CARDS
Scotty...
Thanks for the suggestion, have the problem solved...Stan Lake had a
load of them and I am getting them from him. Will keep the pinochol
idea though, never now when I'll need to use it. Forward Marks new
address and phone # when you get it. I called him this past weekend but
no one was home so's I left a message on his machine.
Tony
Msg #32163 Dated 0:33:15 01-28-92 32152 <--> 32180
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
In case you're interested, the Binarelli Wallet is for sale from
Camirand -- for FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS.
Msg #32166 Dated 1:39:06 01-28-92 32104 <--> 32172
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
Will put that on my schedule - what is the tentative date, I don't
want my annual ski trip to interfere next year ?
.
Post your new fax nymber I have some stuff to send you regarding the
wands and a special project for DMS.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #32167 Dated 1:39:11 01-28-92 32106 <--> 32168
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
I thought I might have withdrawals from MAGIC!, being gone a week.
But, the snow was great and USRSA (US Recreational Ski Assoc) has a
great party every night put on by the sponsor's (Molson's, Seagrams,
Kahlua, and an Oregon Winery) min 2 hrs of FREE booze.
.
I did magic every night at teh parties and had a ball. Looks like
next year is Big Sky Montana (If it doesn't conflict with Tabman's
Conclave). I can always go skiing, but the Conclave is a higher
priority - would have gone this year if I hadn't already scheduled
the ski trip.
.
Did you talk to EJ re early warning for the pig-wake ?
I left a msg for Bill Wells to try and get some pig-noses for us. I
saw a bunch of people in the stands at Super-bowl wearing them - they
would be perfect.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #32168 Dated 1:39:20 01-28-92 32141 <--> 32181
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
How did you get extra blank lines in your msgs. It caused a bunch
to get posted as one long msg ?
Msg #32169 Dated 1:39:23 01-28-92 32114 <--> 32189
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH
Have you tried making flash cards ? Tabman had a great card routine
in Jim Sisti's magic menu and I wanted to burn the card just before
the finale, but regular cards don't burn worth a damn.
.
Any card will do, even a blank face as the spectator never sees the
face of the card that gets burned.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #32172 Dated 5:56:43 01-28-92 32166 <--> 32186
From: TABBY CRABB
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
2nd full weekend in January is the Music City Conclave. In 1993 I
think is 8-9-10. Fax ## is 615-444-0171. Glad the ski weekend went
well. I know they dug you and your magic. Yowsuh!
Msg #32176 Dated 7:43:23 01-28-92
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: FAX
Thanks, sir. I appreciate the quick fax you sent me last night. I was
in Vegas and saw a different version of the "GLASSTRATION" This one
the frame that holds the "plexi-glass" could be removed for
examination. I was wondering how that would play, versus the way the
one you sent me. I have the other plans, but they were packed away at
my office. And I was working on drawing up the idea. Thanks again.
Great to hear that things are going well with the shop. I am sure you
have a long list of projects, but I sure want to be one of the first to
have something come out of your shop. Hope to see you out here soon.
Msg #32177 Dated 8:09:40 01-28-92 32146 <--> 32178
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
There are some printed bills for torn-restored, etc. that are very
close. What I would suggest is finding some really "close" LOOKING
paper and get someone to print 2/3rds of ONE SIDE... less ink, and
will burn faster... thinner paper... etc. when folded WHO CAN TELL.
OR PRINT ONE SIDE ONLY... think of different ways to go... If you
need a source to print, etc., a pal of mine has done it already.
Ed Justice Jr., at Justice Bros. in... uh... the city at the North
end of the 605... call him and tell him I sentcha...
Msg #32178 Dated 8:09:50 01-28-92 32147 <--> 32335
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
OH YOU DOG... BIRO 1 CURTIN 10 ON THAT ONE... oH, eD. j. IS a member
of the Castle too....and comuter dude... argh...
Msg #32179 Dated :09:54 01-28-92 32148 <--> 32332
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
The "HIGHLAND" Gardens DOES HAVE PHONES... TWAS THE ONE IN ARIZONA.
They have a full kitchen too... (as does the Magic Hotel -- which
is a tad cleaner and closer) You save the parking fee at the Castle.
Msg #32180 Dated 8:09:59 01-28-92 32152 <--> 32184
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Thanks for the great reviews of the Ortiz and Binarelli material.
I saw Tony at FISM but he suffered from having Juan Tamiriz and
David Williamson working at the SAME TIME IN THE OTHER SIDE OF
THE ROOM... and you couldn't hear much of what he was saying from
the laffs the others were getting.
.
Totally DUMB planning by FISM... when Juan and David worked at tahe
same time they played off each other's audiences... that was funny,
but not when a serious cat is tyring to nail you!!!
Msg #32181 Dated 8:10:10 01-28-92 32153 <--> 32187
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
I didn't re-set no nuttin to no nuttin' dude... it seems to have
jus' happened...
.
This morning mine cold is worse, cannot hardly speak! ARgh... foo..
hack hack hack...
.
Drove from Brentwood to my house in 5-hrs 10-minutes yesterday...
Not a bad commute...
.
BOY WAIT TIL YOU HEAR WHO SOME OF THE LATEST ENTRIES IN THE VEGAS
SEMINAR COMEDY CHALLENGE ARE... AWESOME.... DUDE... (I have withdrawn
my entry)!
Msg #32182 Dated 8:10:27 01-28-92 -> 32197
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: IMP?
NOw IMP! stops logging about half way thru the download messages
process??? So mite go back to old spring wound computer... argh...cough
growl... fooo
Msg #32184 Dated 8:31:31 01-28-92 32158 <--> 32185
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BINARELLI
YOU GOT IT>>> Lewis uses 2 tips! Nay, it is his skill and timing.
Since I don't have skill and timing that is why I invented the
Billion Dollar Bill Switch... Lewis will soon change so he can
spend more time doing one liners in his money routine.
Msg #32185 Dated 8:31:37 01-28-92 32163 <--> 32196
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BINARELLI
US or Canadian Dollars?
Msg #32186 Dated 8:31:40 01-28-92 32166 <--> 32190
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
Regarding PLANS>>> Magic Dudes (ALL, that is) Mark your calendars
for Feb. 3 thru Feb. 9 -- where you can see ZIGEUNER VERDAD ....
"THE GOOD GYPSY" performing in the Parlour at the famed and wonderful
Magic Castle in Hollywood. Shows are 7:45, 8:45 and 9:30 pm.
Msg #32187 Dated 8:31:46 01-28-92 32167 <--> 32188
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
You can buy Pig Snouts at joke stores... try your local dump!
Msg #32188 Dated 8:31:50 01-28-92 32168 <--> 32193
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
Darned if I know... might be a curse put on my the other night by
the Gypsy....
Msg #32189 Dated 8:31:54 01-28-92 32169 <--> 32333
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FLASH
I used to do a trick (I think Bob Swadling invented it) using a
piece of flash string with cards. You have an Acrobatic Card on
the bottom of the deck. Set the flap. Have selected card replaced
on top of talon as you cut... placing the selected card so it will
be flipped over if you let go... (I forget the exact placement, etc.
but if you fiddle with it you can work it out) [What you want is
the Card on top with ACRO set under it] You then tie the string
around the deck, saying something like, "With the cards tied up,
I cannot do any moves, blah blah blah..." You light the string and
VOILA the acro causes the top card to flip over and it appears
in a flash!!!
.
A flash card would be too thick to burn. You can just cut a piece
of flash paper to size and tack on with a little wax.
Msg #32190 Dated 8:32:09 01-28-92 32172 <--> 32192
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
I had a secret private message for you now I forgot it. Argh... don't
get this version of the flu... Yugooo... I feel like a quarterback
for Buffalo...
Msg #32192 Dated 9:35:04 01-28-92 32186 <--> 32212
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
Already workin' a visit to the Castle Feb. 3rd to 9th into my plans.
Lots of good folks that week, including The Good Gypsy. But also got
a busy week! Gotta be in Georgia that weekend. You plannin' on comin'
down during the week?
Msg #32193 Dated 9:37:13 01-28-92 32167 <--> 32194
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
You mean that you didn't miss MAGIC! all week? Sheesh! Trading your
friends for a bunch of cold weather and booze.
Haven't heard on the pig-wake yet, but will keep trying to get info.
Sure hope Bill Wells can locate those noses!
Also, glad to have you back on-line!
Msg #32194 Dated 9:39:07 01-28-92 32181 <--> 32213
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
Sometimes stuff just happens with computers - it is a sign of the
advancing intelligence of silicon life forms - they are learning how to
quit working and go on welfare. We had the same thing happen here - a
"bit" changed itself one day with no apparent reason.
Methinks you'd better take that "cold" to the doctor. Seriously.
When you drove from Brentwood to your place in 5-hrs. 10-minutes, how
much longer did it take the CHIP to catch up with you? Now that you
know the road, maybe you'll be down here more often?
I can't wait for the DMS Challenge. And anyone here on MAGIC! who
hasn't booked yet SHOULD DO SO IMMEDIATELY! We are also going to have
the annual MAGIC! Get-Together at DMS. NOT TO BE MISSED. Call Joe
Stevens at (316) 683-9582 and join the fun!!!
Msg #32196 Dated 9:50:55 01-28-92 32184 <--> 32251
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Yep, you tiped the tip. And he does it VERY, VERY well. What I like
is the open handed gestures you can make with the TT - you can't do 'em
quite as clean without it.
Msg #32197 Dated 9:52:28 01-28-92 32182 <--> 32214
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMP?
IMP! doesn't do the logging, your communications program does (if you
mean logging as getting the messages downloaded). Last I recall, you
had lots of room on the disk, so I would be surprised if it was a space
problem. Run CHKDSK and see what happens.
Msg #32198 Dated 11:43:54 01-28-92 32162 <--> 32256
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: CARDS
he was in bakersfield and parts of fresno. Whaen you comming up to
vist?
Msg #32203 Dated 11:52:34 01-28-92 32082 <--> 32205
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Gadzooks! El Biro...you sound like one of the Bill defensive line-
men!
Msg #32205 Dated 11:53:10 01-28-92 32097 <--> 32215
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
You must have missed my earlier message to you about the same subject
of Redskin fans, the Hawgs, and pig noses. Yes, I am sure I could
get you some pig noses around here..but they are fairly common items
in most major toy stores (such as Toys R Us) and come in a variety of
animals such as pigs, elephants, dogs, lions, etc. Also common in
zoo souvenir shops. If you can't find 'em, let me know and I will
bring some to the DMS.
Msg #32212 Dated 14:02:20 01-28-92 32192 <--> 32219
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
No plans right now... but new job may change all kinds of things...
ARgh no more? Yo... Have you told Georgia?
Msg #32213 Dated 14:02:24 01-28-92 32194 <--> 32220
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
Joe just told me that registrations are AHEAD OF LAST YEAR!!!
BOOK NOW DUDES...
Msg #32214 Dated 14:02:28 01-28-92 32197 <--> 32218
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IMP?
I gots tons o' space... just don't dig why it will download, say
15 messages and when I go F6 and read/reply it just stops at 9 or
10... I go into XTREE and can read the rest but duh.... argh...
Msg #32215 Dated 14:02:33 01-28-92 32203 <--> 32224
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
How do you know what I sound like? Oh, forgot, I called you on the
phone.... argh.... see you in Wichita to edit tapes... SOUNDS LIKE
A GREAT ENTRY LIST!!!!
Msg #32218 Dated 16:38:46 01-28-92 32214 <--> 32221
From: PETE BIRO
To: PETE BIRO
Re: IMP?
This message came down and only had the first line... so MAGIC.LOG
seems to stop before it is all done... argh... still thinking
about it.... no changes made by me dude...
Msg #32219 Dated 16:39:44 01-28-92 32212 <--> 32228
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
RE: You not in L.A. Feb. 3rd-9th/"Yo... Have you told Georgia?"
You'se got a strange mind, Biro. Hope you get over that cold/flu soon.
Msg #32220 Dated 16:42:25 01-28-92 32213 <--> 32229
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
Hope the DMS ain't gettin' too big; one of the things I like is the
semi-intimate feel it has.
But you are right -- ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE AT DMS/MAGIC! SESSION
SHOULD CALL JOE STEVENS *N*O*W* -- (316) 683-9582. (OK, maybe not
_now_ if you are reading this at 2 a.m., but you know what I mean).
Msg #32221 Dated 16:44:51 01-28-92 32214 <--> 32222
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMP?
Well, did it only happen ONE TIME? Or is the fact that you can't read
more than a few messages constant over a few different files? One time
could have been some kind of line noise character creeping in - that's
why you can read it with XTree (it would ignore the bad character).
Msg #32222 Dated 16:46:15 01-28-92 32218 <--> 32230
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMP?
Zounds like a job for Burton the Bizarre.
Msg #32224 Dated 19:43:26 01-28-92 32205 <--> 32232
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
I checked out a local costume shop today and found about six each of
two different styles of pig snouts. One was shorter and lighter in
color and the other was longer and darker. Both sold for $2.95 each.
Msg #32228 Dated 20:45:43 01-28-92 32219 <--> 32235
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
YOU HOPE I GET OVER THE COLD/FLUUUUUUUUUUUUUU....ARGh....fooooo
hack, coff, gurgle... snorl.... ugh....
Msg #32229 Dated 20:45:47 01-28-92 32220 <--> 32236
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
It is ahead of last year... but last year was DOWN... boy... Joe
just told me the close up lineup!!!
ROVI
FINN JON
RENE LAVAND
LENNERT GREEN (*) FISM winner at carto magie
COLUMBINI
ALEXANDER DE COVA (*) First prize winner in Germany
STEVE FEARSON
RALPH MARCOM
.
yowsah, wowsah.... ho ho ho...
Msg #32230 Dated 20:46:00 01-28-92 32221 <--> 32237
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IMP?
It be doing it often.... argh...
Msg #32232 Dated 20:46:09 01-28-92 32224 <--> 32238
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Obviously the short snouts were linemen and the longer, lean ones
were for the Wide Recievers! Yo... What did you "CHECK OUT"?
Msg #32233 Dated 20:46:15 01-28-92 -> 32239
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
Georges Proust has just opened "the dream" MAGIC MUSEUM IN PARIS.
Said to be "INCREDIBLE"... Will be one of the Highlights of the World
for magic (according to Joe Stevens, who just came from there!)
Msg #32235 Dated 21:18:14 01-28-92 32228 <--> 32244
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
RE: Cold/Flu/Hack/Argh! (tm - Biro).
Have you considered a body transplant? Maybe you could come back as a
20-year old magicienne?
Msg #32236 Dated 21:19:56 01-28-92 32229 <--> 32245
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
Yowsah, yowsah is right on that DMS lineup! And, of course, there will
also be the MAGIC! session! At which I plan to perform a
computer/overhead-projector/card trick.
Msg #32237 Dated 21:20:58 01-28-92 32230 <--> 32240
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMP?
OK, why don't you UPLOAD one of the "bad" files to me and let me take
a look at it? Leave me a message that says which message numbers it is
_supposed_ to start and end with.
Msg #32238 Dated 21:22:18 01-28-92 32232 <--> 32241
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
RE: Short/long snouts.
I didn't mention it, but they also had FROG snouts!!!
Msg #32239 Dated 21:22:51 01-28-92 32233 <--> 32263
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
RE: Georges Proust Magic Museum:
GO FOR IT! ORGANIZE A TRAIN TRIP TO PARIS FOR US!!!
Msg #32240 Dated 23:31:03 01-28-92 32230 <--> 32242
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMP?
I have had a few problems in getting downloads lately. Seems there
are some line errors causing goofy control characters to get into
the LOG file and it plays hell with IMP!
.
The last few days have been better - what can I say ?
.
How is your MAGICLOG & MAGICREP script working ? I changed mine
back to a last line of WAITQUIET 1 FOREVER to avoid premature
log file turn off. Kinda like Downloadess Interuptess or something
like that.
.
Good luck on the new SLAVE, er, JOB.
Msg #32241 Dated 23:31:09 01-28-92 32232 <--> 32243
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Did you buy some for the pig-wake or what ?
Msg #32242 Dated 23:31:12 01-28-92 32182 <--> 32261
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMP?
Try changing the last line of your MAGICLOG script to WAITQUIET 1
FOREVER, that should fix it. I had changed my script to be like
yours and started getting truncated downloads, since I changed back
it has been ok.
.
Being able read the LOG file correctly is a different problem. There
is some junk coming off the line ocassionally that screws up the
IMP! read process.
Msg #32243 Dated 23:31:18 01-28-92 32205 <--> 32248
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Thanks Bill, seems David has found some already. Hopefully we will
already have had the pig-wake by the time DMS is here - Gawd I hope
so.
.
The only reason I mentioned it was that pig-noses should be cheap
and plentiful in DC right now.
Msg #32244 Dated 23:34:53 01-28-92 32172 <--> 32259
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
Will send you a fax manana - fo info only, the skiing was for a
whole week in Steamboat, great place.
Msg #32245 Dated 23:34:55 01-28-92 32188 <--> 32246
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
Aha - now I know why the infomercial for 'The Good Gypsy' - was she
the one that put the hex on you ?
.
She could hex me any time !
Msg #32246 Dated 23:34:58 01-28-92 32193 <--> 32249
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
It's not that I traded my friends for a ski week - that's no contest.
I didn't have a computer and was too busy wrestling snow snakes and
bunnies, too miss it. Not like sitting in the middle of Arizona
watching the weeds tumble, like some I know !
Msg #32248 Dated 0:03:31 01-29-92 32241 <--> 32262
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
I found the snouts, but I haven't bought 'em yet, considering that the
Super Pig is STILL THERE. At least I know where to get 'em when we
want 'em.
There are two next steps in preparation (according to my PERT Chart):
o Talk to Max and find out where to get the best deals on
black clothes.
o Find out when Super Pig is going to be removed.
Msg #32249 Dated 0:07:59 01-29-92 32246 <--> 32260
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
The really strange part is that you seemingly came back alive and
healthy from a week in the ice and snow, and the other dude came back
from Arizona, the land of clear sinuses, with the cold/flu!
Msg #32251 Dated 0:21:33 01-29-92 32185 <--> 32272
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Beyond a certain price, it doesn't much matter...
Msg #32256 Dated 5:53:03 01-29-92 32198 <--> 32273
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: CARDS
Scotty...
May be up there in May (redundent?) for PCAM. There is talk of my being
hired to perform in the close-up show as well as give a lecture. I hope
so, it would be a blast.
Right now I'm preparing for my week at the Castle, which basically is
a run-through for the convention show. It's shaping up to be a hell of
a show! I'm going to have it taped and when I get some copies made I'll
forward one to ya so's you can see the performance.
The convention group are pretty gung-ho about my working it as I am a
former PCAM winner ('90 Comedy and 2nd in close-up), and they feel that
my offbeat outlook at magic would be a refreshing change from the usual
card masturbation.
Will let you know as things progress...till then, take care...
Tony
Msg #32257 Dated 5:56:41 01-29-92 -> 32326
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DARWIN
Hello Cy! Darwin's lecture sounds terrific! As I understand it, A-1
Video is putting out a video tape containing most of the items you
mentioned. Apparantly it is due out around summer, and it should be
great!
Msg #32259 Dated 8:42:40 01-29-92 32235 <--> 32279
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
With my hair? Or did you say "come back *WITH* a"
Msg #32260 Dated 8:42:44 01-29-92 32236 <--> 32268
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
Good, (I will plan on laying on the floor looking overhead)! Am set
to fly to Kansas for final prep meeting on 14 Feb... Valentines day?
Msg #32261 Dated 8:42:48 01-29-92 32237 <--> 32264
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IMP?
OK dude, if I can figger out which ones it be... ooops teakettle
is whistlin' or SCREAMING to come.... SAVE ME, SAVE ME.... SSSSSSS
Msg #32262 Dated 8:42:52 01-29-92 32238 <--> 32265
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
i KNOW and they have behind biggers, boob builders and... er you
know...
Msg #32263 Dated 8:42:56 01-29-92 32239 <--> 32285
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
We can go by rail. (Boats have rails you lean over when seasick)!
Msg #32264 Dated 8:43:00 01-29-92 32240 <--> 32266
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IMP?
I took the WAITQUIET out... where does it go if I want to put in
wht you suggest?
Msg #32265 Dated 8:43:04 01-29-92 32241 <--> 32267
From: PEE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Menu: Pigs Knuckles for hoursdouveres? (spell check please Max).
Msg #32266 Dated 8:43:07 01-29-92 32242 <--> 32282
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IMP?
You answered my dreams.... with 32242....
Msg #32267 Dated 8:43:11 01-29-92 32243 <--> 32270
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
I think the audience should have worn the Pig Noses during the
State of the Union Address. Did you see the "analysis" on COMEDY
CENTRAL.... was a riot. They noted things like how many times Bush
wet his lips with his tongue during the speech, and other funny
stuff... like what he said!!!!!
Msg #32268 Dated 8:43:17 01-29-92 32245 <--> 32269
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
I'll take any Hexes by any woman any time! As long as it isn't
accompanied by a SUMMONS!
Msg #32269 Dated 8:43:22 01-29-92 32246 <--> 32271
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
It was tooooo cooooold for the Arizona Weeds to tumble... argh....
Thass why I is still snifflin' and wheezin'.... argh....
.
Since the car magazine I will be woiking for is a companion mag to
MICROTIMES mebbe I can borrow a Cellular Laptop next time I hit
the road!!!!
.
Will be over there today and check out the exotic gear! Not to
mention the receptionist!
Msg #32270 Dated 8:43:32 01-29-92 32248 <--> 32275
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
At one time I considered the criteria to be hired to work a major
convention evening show was the act had to wear black alla time.
That has changed. I bought black outfit but once it hit the
washer/dryer it turned medium dark gray fudge wrinkled looking.
I guess the big time black outfits are sent out for dry cleaning.
Msg #32271 Dated 8:43:40 01-29-92 32249 <--> 32280
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
But you mest remember that I was in Anaheim and Hollywood first,
where the Brown Sky started it all.
.
Science has told us the weather/temperature has nothing to do with
catching the flu/cold bug...
.
Now if I could just leave it somewhere... cough, wheeze, sneeze,
gargle... ugfh... hack...
Msg #32272 Dated 8:43:49 01-29-92 32251 <--> 32325
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATRS (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Like $19.99? YO... somewhere recently I just saw a super duper
wallet that did it all.... uh.... where was I??? Geez, I forget...
Musta been Nashville... yep...
.
Funny, I get more out of just finding the card either on my
forehead or unzipping the fly to reproduce it than I ever got out
of a zippered wallet mit enveloppy!!!! (Audience reaction wise)
Msg #32273 Dated 8:43:58 01-29-92 32256 <--> 32288
From: PETE BIRO
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: CARDS
Sounds good... I hope to be at PCAM as well... working to help them
get some NEVER SEEN BEFORE stage acts.... adios....
Msg #32275 Dated 9:23:08 01-29-92 32238 <--> 32283
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Seems like I heard that it's not the size of the snout that counts, but
how you use it.
Msg #32277 Dated 9:25:53 01-29-92 -> 32446
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FRI
Hi. Did you make it to Vegas this past week end, and if so, did you
play Geno's? How did it go?
This Fri, for sure, will need the 7D, QS and 3S. If you're going to be
there, pls come prepared, and let me know. Maybe I'll call Bob Raynor
and he can handle the QS.
Bringing a cute 26 yr French gal. Only problem is, not that I'm
married, but that she belongs to my right hand guy here.
Msg #32279 Dated 10:44:43 01-29-92 32259 <--> 32293
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
RE: 20-year old magicienne.
Actually, I had the hair in mind - a body transplant would come with
new hair. But you would have to learn to comb it.
Msg #32280 Dated 10:47:45 01-29-92 32260 <--> 32281
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
While you are in Kansas doing final prep, please MAKE SURE we have an
OVERHEAD PROJECTOR (like last year) for the MAGIC! session. Thanks.
Msg #32281 Dated 10:50:02 01-29-92 32271 <--> 32294
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
RE: cold/flu
Have you considered calling in a demonologist and having it exorcised?
Msg #32282 Dated 10:51:37 01-29-92 32261 <--> 32296
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMP?
Uh, yeah, teakettle #3. Send me the bad file, NOT the bad teakettle!
Msg #32283 Dated 10:55:49 01-29-92 32270 <--> 32284
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
I don't own anything, except sox, that is black. I got about 6 pairs
of identical green pants, about 6 identical pink shirts, and some other
pants in light blue, grey, and red. Also got a few blue shirts, a
couple of white ones, and some with stripes. Also about 6 blue
pinstripe suits.
Oh! I forgot! I just bought 2 pairs of black shoes! Does that count?
Msg #32284 Dated 10:58:52 01-29-92 32275 <--> 32287
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Yeah, best way to use the snouts is to keep 'em in the plastic bags.
Msg #32285 Dated 10:59:24 01-29-92 32263 <--> 32298
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
Yeah, tell me about them rails on boats! I HATE BOATS! I get seasick
on docks.
Actually, just for the record, I have gone to/from Europe by boat. The
S. S. United States in 1952.
Msg #32287 Dated 11:06:55 01-29-92 32284 <--> 32292
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Is that safe?
Msg #32288 Dated 11:22:28 01-29-92 32256 <--> 32299
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: CARDS
Armondo......
Where is PCAM going to bee this year? I might wnt to buzz over there!
(get it?,bee/buzz???) oh well, you probibly know I am near oakland. so
i will hear from you soon. the clown!
Msg #32289 Dated 11:27:54 01-29-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PEE BIRO (X)
Re: MORE KAPS ON VIDEO
MAGIC!-NL Mon 27 Jan 92 22:30
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Pete,
As I told you a few weeks ago, Dick Koornwinder got in contact
with a producer who is interested in producing a TV document on
Kaps. The idea is still growing but they still have to find an
interested TV station here in Holland. I just had Dick on the
phone and he told me he has got an appointment next week to have
a look in the dutch TV archives.
He already knows they have a unique piece of 35mm movie of an old
Kaps TV show called Kapssallon. The piece runs for ca. 30 minutes
and comes is from 1961. He (Dick) will do his best to get himself
some material.
Will keep you informed about the progress on this.....all looks
very interesting and promising.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
Msg #32290 Dated 11:28:03 01-29-92 -> 32300
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
MAGIC!-NL Wed 29 Jan 92 12:58
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Yes there is an art of the buyer( patron as you call it). That is
to choose the artist carefully when one wants to give an
assignment, or when one buys a finished piece of work. I think
that in the case of a finished piece of work nobody would argue
with the fact that one can never complain later on about not
liking the work. Still I feel that when an assignment is given
one should give the artist full
freedom and accept what he or she comes up with. If the buyer is
allowed to make artistic judgments, then who is the artist? If
the buyer wants to make artistic judgments, he should become
artist
himself. If not, he should let the artist make all the jugdments.
Otherwise the artist will not be able to be integer to the work,
and that is essential. If an artist cannot be integer to the work
it is the end of the work!
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
Msg #32291 Dated 11:28:12 01-29-92 -> 32301
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
MAGIC!-NL Wed 29 Jan 92 13:01
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
That's true! If an assignment is given, then yes, the buyer can
state what it is what they wwant. The artist can then see for
himself wether or not he can work within those restriction and
accept the job or not. But it is not for he buyer to decide on
artistic judgments concerning the work. That idea is a horror to
me. ---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
Msg #32292 Dated 12:21:12 01-29-92 32275 <--> 32297
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Snout what I heard!!!
Msg #32293 Dated 12:21:15 01-29-92 32279 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: YOUR FAX #
NO REPLY ON THAT ONE... COMB IT........ ARGH.... WITH A SPONGE?
Msg #32294 Dated 12:21:18 01-29-92 32280 <--> 32295
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
I will TRY to remember... (but it is too soon)...
Msg #32295 Dated 12:21:22 01-29-92 32281 <--> 32307
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
Alka Seltzer plus and plenty Orange Juice?
Msg #32296 Dated 12:21:25 01-29-92 32282 <--> 32453
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IMP?
Will see if I can figger out which one it be. This time it worked OK
so far... argh....
Msg #32297 Dated 12:21:29 01-29-92 32283 <--> 32303
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
2 counts as 2 in all books... OK?
Msg #32298 Dated 12:21:32 01-29-92 32285 <--> 32308
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
I went to and fro on a small boat was sick for 14 of the 14 days.
Last boat ride I had the patch on the ear and was FINE... NO
PROBLEMOOO
Msg #32299 Dated 12:21:37 01-29-92 32288 <--> 32302
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: CARDS
PCAM IS GOING TO BE IN ASILOMAR, about 2 hours by car from Oakland
last time I tried it... special deal includes all meals, etc.
Msg #32300 Dated 12:21:42 01-29-92 32290 <--> 32306
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Tommy... I assume Lynn has made the trip and now resides in the land
of Tulips! Give her a good hello for me. Have you found a good
Sushi Bar feed her? Jade has returned and will take her to see
if she likes the Sushi at "The Saffron"... have the PCAM boys
contacted you yet??? Let me Know and I will push... best... pb
Msg #32301 Dated 12:21:49 01-29-92 32291 <--> 32329
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
A good BUYER, we hope, has made the ARTISTIC JUDGEMENT on the
artist "purchased"... and that is the end of the buyer's job. Altho
the PRODUCER/DIRECTOR (if there is one) CAN be involved in making
the final call with the ARTIST on the artistic side, so as to make
it the best possible FROM THE ARTIST to MAKE the statement that
the DIECTOR wishes to convey.
.
The big trouble with MOST magicians is that THEY DO NOT WORK WITH
A DIRECTOR, CHOREOGRAPHER, WARDROBE DESIGNER, ETC... and often are
too fixed in their ways to keep GROWING artistically.
Msg #32302 Dated 14:08:10 01-29-92 32299 <--> 32312
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARDS
Speaking of meals, when are you gonna visit carlitas??????
Msg #32303 Dated 14:29:24 01-29-92 32292 <--> 32304
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Hope the cold/flu is better.
Msg #32304 Dated 14:4:10 01-29-92 32287 <--> 32305
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Nothing in life is a certainty.
Msg #32305 Dated 14:42:20 01-29-92 32297 <--> 32313
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
2 may count as 2 in all books, but in computers it counts as 10H.
Msg #32306 Dated 14:47:51 01-29-92 32290 <--> 32328
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
TO: Tommy Wonder
VIA: MAGIC-NL/NETHERLANDS
I have never had the experience of being the Senior Patron in the
performing arts, except for hiring magicians and other performers for
specific occassions.
I have had experience in commissioning artists to produce works and
I have found that it is not just a matter of selecting the artist and
then handing them the money. There seems to be a relationship between
the patron and the artist that needs to be developed with considerable
care. To put it bluntly, artists often need more than money in order
to produce art. They need "stroking" and appreciation and they need a
sense that what they are doing matters. If the artist resents the
patron, the artist will become a hack and will create the work
grudgingly. On the other hand, if the artist respects the patron, then
they will become more involved in the work. I have also found that
without some involvement by the patron the work will "drift" and even
may never be finished! Certainly, you are right that the patron must
allow the artist the room to transfer his or her "soul" to the work,
but the patron has a greater responsibility than simply handing over
the money.
By the way, it is this lack of relationship that I think is another
negative in overnment funding of the arts.
Msg #32307 Dated 15:05:09 01-29-92 32294 <--> 32316
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
OK, when should I remind you about the overhead projector?
Msg #32308 Dated 15:06:26 01-29-92 32298 <--> 32317
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
Anita and I tried the ear patches once on a flight in a private plane.
Apparently, there is a fairly large percentage of people that they
don't work on, and we are to of 'em! On the way home we used good old
Dramamine and it worked fine.
P.S. - Do you think we would need Dramamine to ride a blimp? Blimp?
Remember blimp?
Msg #32312 Dated 18:13:17 01-29-92 32302 <--> 32320
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: CARDS
OK OK... I PROMISE... LET ME KNOW THE ROUTE AGAIN FROM WALNUT
CRICK!!!
Msg #32313 Dated 18:13:21 01-29-92 32303 <--> 32314
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Thanks, Marvin, am coming around... argh, cough, hack... ugh...
Msg #32314 Dated 18:13:24 01-29-92 32304 <--> 32315
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Except the Superbowl outcome. A pal of mine made the front page
of the Vegas papers... he runs 2, count 'em, 2 casinos in Las Vegas
and offered some rediculous odds in his sport book... I don't know
the details, but if the Bills had won he would have lost $8 Million.
I am getting the numbers from someone who knows about what he
took in!! ARgh..... Goodyear Stock was $12 now $60 and climbing!
Msg #32315 Dated 18:13:31 01-29-92 32305 <--> 32322
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
I didn't know that.
Msg #32316 Dated 18:13:34 01-29-92 32307 <--> 32331
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
About a week before the event. OK, dude?
Msg #32317 Dated 18:13:37 01-29-92 32308 <--> 32324
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
Call Doc in Akron... do you have number?
Msg #32318 Dated 18:13:39 01-29-92
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: BRIMP
Call doc at 216 796 4994
Msg #32319 Dated 19:53:31 01-29-92 -> 32339
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH STRING
Pete,
WHERE do you buy flash string? I've been wanting some
ever since Don Alan reprinted his routines with it
(from New Phoenix in Pretty Sneaky).
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #32320 Dated 20:25:28 01-29-92 32312 <-
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARDS
Highway 880 off at winton avenue west. (like going to southland mall)
left turn at southland drive. let me know when you will bee there so I
can have a pitcher of margaritas waiting! Carlitas.
Msg #32322 Dated 20:48:44 01-29-92 32314 <--> 32323
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Biro -
You is yacking up the wrong guy. As far as I know, a "Superbowl" is a
large tureen and a "Bill" is something to be switched.
I have a much better understanding of the stock market, shares,
volatility, technical analysis, and all that sort of thing. Once did
a large contract project for Prudential-Bache.
Msg #32323 Dated 20:51:51 01-29-92 32315 <--> 32341
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Oooooppppsss! No wonder you didn't know that -- I WAS WRONG!
It shoulda been 10B.
Msg #32324 Dated 20:53:14 01-29-92 32317 <--> 32342
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
It would be a bit embarrassing to both him and me for me to call. But
if you happened to mention something in passing, that would be a
different matter.
Msg #32325 Dated 21:25:45 01-29-92 32163 <--> 32327
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BINARELLI
TA - $400 is a lot of money. The effect is a great platform
number though. Jeff Busby advertises it with the Jumbo cards
for the card to wallet effect for the same price. The problem
still is -will the wallet at 4 1/2" find easily into an inside
pocket.
.
After a second reading I think the book is quite a good buy.
Many of the items can be reworked with a bit of thought.
Msg #32326 Dated 21:25:58 01-29-92 32257 <--> 32366
From: CY KELLER
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: DARWIN
Mike - Just finished speaking with Darwin and mentioned that you
had commented on my review. He was so pleased with MAGIC! that he
mumbled something about getting a PC.
Msg #32327 Dated 21:26:05 01-29-92 32272 <--> 32343
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Pete - Or whomever - I am looking for a Himber wallet with the
index
availabilty. What was the one you saw which did everything? If no
one else understands this request they can ask me to do lunch.
Msg #32328 Dated 21:26:13 01-29-92 32290 <--> 32330
From: CY KELLER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
I'm assuming that integer = integrity. If the patron doesn't like
the work it is put into a closet and another artist is commiss-
ioned. I think this happened with L B Johnson for a portrait. The
popes would have changes made, I think. After buying the object,
does the owner have the right to make changes. Now there's a
problem. This has come up within the past year.
Msg #32329 Dated 21:26:23 01-29-92 32301 <--> 32345
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Pete - I think that magicians who want professional theatrical
advice have a problem in finding the right person. I'm not sure
who I would turn to, as my performing interest is in close-up and
platform. I'll add street performing. Can a director etc. who is
an expert on stage work help? Maybe so. I'm sure T.A. will set me
straight.
Msg #32330 Dated 21:26:33 01-29-92 32306 <--> 32346
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Its puzzling about the interaction of patron and artist. Joseph ?
Karch ? took a great photograph of Winston Churchill; and I
understand the only interaction was that he snatched a cigar out
of Churchill's hand and then snapped the picture of the Prime
Minister glowering. It is one of the greatest Photographs of
Churchill ever. Patrons just have to trust the artist.
.
How this fits into the government subsidising art, I don't know.
Perhaps they should stay out of it. So there go symphonies,
ballet and opera just like vaudeville. I hate to see any art
vanish just because it is not popular. Catch 22.
Msg #32331 Dated 21:50:38 01-29-92 32154 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SATURDAY NIGHT
It has astounded me how many people do show up on Saturday night.
Gobs of guests
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32332 Dated 21:50:47 01-29-92 32156 <--> 32337
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
You know, when I wrote that message I thought to myself that
either you would say "gee, what a stupid joke" or you would say
"Did I accidently type 'varnish?'" I though they would varnish
elephants so that they wouldn't shed all over the house. (I know
I typed "SHED.")
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32333 Dated 21:50:55 01-29-92 32169 <--> 32452
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FLASH
Jerry,
I haven't tried making flash cards yet, but will do so soon. As
someone else pointed out, it seems the thicker the material, the
slower it burns, but it still gives off an impressive glow, and
still leaves no ash.
I'll let you know as soon as I know.
Enjoy!
Kevin
(nice to have you back!)
Msg #32335 Dated 21:51:17 01-29-92 32177 <--> 32336
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
re: printing flash bills
Will do. Thanks for the info!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32336 Dated 21:51:24 01-29-92 32178 <--> 32685
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Gee Pete, I didn't know we were keeping score. I hope you'll let
me know how I'm doing.
(It's not often I score, and don't even notice.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32337 Dated 21:51:32 01-29-92 32179 <--> 32350
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Pete,
I'm not sure when finances will permit, but will check it out in
the near future. Someone smashed a window out of my wife's car
last night, (Nothing gone, no one hurt) so there goes a couple of
nights out just paying for the bloody window.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32339 Dated 22:10:53 01-29-92 32319 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: FLASH STRING
I don't know. I had some I bought years ago at a European convention
but you might try the major dealers. Or Theater Effects (ads run
in the Linking Ring, etc.)... sorry...
Msg #32341 Dated 22:11:04 01-29-92 32323 <--> 32351
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
I didn't want to show you off to be a dip in public...
Msg #32342 Dated 22:11:06 01-29-92 32324 <--> 32352
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
Call about what?
Msg #32343 Dated 22:11:09 01-29-92 32325 <--> 32344
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Methinks the Europeans use bigger wallets... most carry them
outside thier coats, like a handbag! Kaps used to have a "Holster"
type wallet. Fit like shoulder holster on straps... he gave me one.
It isn't gaffed, but what it does is hold close up stuff and keeps
your suit pockets from bulging and losing shape.
Msg #32344 Dated 22:11:16 01-29-92 32327 <--> 32348
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
I believe it was with the guy from Chatanooga Magic, don't know
his name, he had a ton of stuff... Tabman might be able to pin it
down for you. Not sure what you mean about Indes Availability?
I have stacks of crazy wallets in my collection... clarify, maybe
can help...
Msg #32345 Dated 22:11:22 01-29-92 32329 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Maybe it just takes it all for the streetwise school of magic???
I dunno... if you have "IT" the rest comes easier... I think to be
a real all around performer you have to "hang" with the right
crowd... etc... set high standards and SEE all kinds of things...
.
Photography is much the same... there is a big discussion going on
with the Photo Forum on another BBS... relates alot to performing.
Msg #32346 Dated 22:11:31 01-29-92 32330 <--> 32349
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
It only has to be popular with the few that have the money to
survive... if it is the "in" art... the patrons will scramble to
be in on it to be "in"...
Msg #32347 Dated 22:11:35 01-29-92
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: RATS
Ee;32337
I hate floppy disks. I just spent a couple of hours putting library
data onto a disk and found out it was not the latest version and
now cannot find the updated one... argh... foooooo... I KWIT!
.
Noose at eleven!
Msg #32348 Dated 22:33:01 01-29-92 32327 <--> 32355
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
For some reason, I can't find the address at the moment, but Jerry
Mentzer in Greenville, S.C. has a large variety of different types of
wallets.
Msg #32349 Dated 22:37:58 01-29-92 32330 <--> 32380
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Yes, indeed, that is a great photograph of Winston Churchill.
I don't know that symphonies, ballet and opera would die without
government support. Although I do know that we pay a heck of a lot for
tickets and probably wouldn't pay much more. But if an art form isn't
popular enough to sustain itself, should it be sustained by government?
And, if so, what about other arts that aren't so supported?
Msg #32350 Dated 22:43:53 01-29-92 32332 <--> 32381
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Well, now you have some additional insight into my character - I did go
back and look.
Actually, I think they varnish elephants so that their trunks won't
peel.
Msg #32351 Dated 22:47:37 01-29-92 32341 <--> 32354
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
RE: Showing me to be a dip in public.
Yep, thanks. 2D = 2H = 10B. Of course, 17D = 11H = 10001B.
Msg #32352 Dated 22:50:16 01-29-92 32342 <--> 32382
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
RE: "Call about what?"
ANS: BLIMP.
Msg #32354 Dated 0:27:36 01-30-92 32283 <--> 32357
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Ah -- so YOU'RE the one who decorates the props I see in the magic
shops...
Msg #32355 Dated 0:30:16 01-30-92 32325 <--> 32356
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
A point that I don't know was considered is that Binarelli describes
the wallet pretty thoroughly -- and I would be surprised if you
couldn't have one handmade for about half the price.
Msg #32356 Dated 0:31:47 01-30-92 32327 <--> 32358
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
I assume you mean OTHER than the Binarelli wallet; there have been a
few index wallets marketed, but I haven't seen any others constructed
on flipover/Himber lines.
Msg #32357 Dated 0:43:39 01-30-92 32354 <--> 32371
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
No, I don't DO the decorating of the magic shop props, I DESIGN them.
All but the black art work, that is.
Msg #32358 Dated 0:45:48 01-30-92 32355 <--> 32359
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Excuse me, T A, I haven't seen the Binarelli book yet. But does he
give permission to have his design made? If not, wouldn't having one
made fall into the "theft of intellectual property" category?
Msg #32359 Dated 1:13:07 01-30-92 32358 <--> 32362
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSP) (X)
Re: BINARELLI
If memory serves, permission is given to those who own the book.
Msg #32362 Dated 1:34:54 01-30-92 32359 <--> 32384
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BINARELLI
OK, thanks, Max.
Msg #32366 Dated 5:54:18 01-30-92 32326 <--> 32386
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: DARWIN
That would be wonderful, wouldn't it! I've been trying to talk Daryl
and Jay Scott Berry into logging on, as well. Doc Eason finally logged
on, and with your valued input from the east coast, it really keeps
things interestin
.
As far a Darwin is concerned, I've been one of his biggest fans since
Hartford, back at the SAM convention in 1979. That was when Bob Read
came in and blew everyone away. And while I thought Leonard Green was
terrific at FISM last year, I just can not understand why Darwin didn't
place in the card competition. Darwin was great, his technique was, of
course, flawless. Yet, it was as if the audience folded their arms and
said to themselves, "This guy BTER be GREAT." As if their expectations
for him set him up in an impossible way.
Msg #32371 Dated 6:48:13 01-30-92 32215 <--> 32374
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Yes...the entry list sounds great. I am sure the users here will be
interested to learn who the final contestants are when we return from
Wichita in mid February. No leaks until then!!
Msg #32374 Dated 6:49:10 01-30-92 32224 <--> 32375
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Sounds like you are well "pigged-out" in LA...at least snoutwise. I
doubt I could get them any cheaper here as all Redskin items are
selling at a premium just now as the Super Bowl rage still continues.
Next month they will be cheap!
Let me know if you need any extras!
Msg #32375 Dated 6:49:25 01-30-92 32243 <--> 32379
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Nothing with Redskins on it, or associated with Redskins is cheap in
D.C. just now...everyone is still on a Super Bowl high. Big rally
was just held on the Mall with 100,000 in attendance. Prices should
drop next month. David's prices looked cheaper than the prices for
snouts here. Too bad that Chicago only reports on pork bellies.
Msg #32379 Dated 8:05:08 01-30-92 32374 <--> 32383
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Let us know when the price breaks on the snouts -- we may have time to
wait -- so far Super Pig is still there!
On a completely different topic, I was just sitting here quietly when
BOOM-BOOM! The whole place rocked! Nice to know Discovery was on its
way home!
Msg #32380 Dated 8:30:22 01-30-92 32349 <--> 32389
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Most of the show tickets wouldn't cost so much if the Unions that
pull the curtains and turn the lights on and off didn't DEMAND such
large crews and minimum hours of shifts.
.
And, certain theaters REQUIRE huge orchestras. Example: Victor
Borga doing his ONE MAN SHOW some time back in San Francisco, was
onstage ALL ALONE... during a bit he chatted with the audience and
said, "Do you know this theater requires 60 musicians. Look..."
(he asked the rear curtain to be lifted and there were about 60
musicians milling around, sitting, playing cards, etc....) He then
asked them to all get their instruments, quickly... as it was his
birthday and he wanted them to play HAPPY BIRTHDAY. They did, the
curtain closed and that was it. It was his Birthday every show! He
showed them they at least had to PLAY for their pay!
Msg #32381 Dated 8:30:37 01-30-92 32350 <--> 32390
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SSOP) (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Whew, I thought it was GARNISH...
Msg #32382 Dated 8:30:40 01-30-92 32352 <--> 32391
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
YOU CALL DOC, HE REMEMBERS YOU... I mentioned it when I was in Akkron
Varnishing an elephant...
Msg #32383 Dated 8:30:44 01-30-92 32354 <--> 32387
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Just the Mak Magic ones.... argh....
Msg #32384 Dated 8:30:47 01-30-92 32359 <--> 32394
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Just like the Harbin book? Yah... if only those that had bought the
book had things like the Zig Zag it would still be a killer...
The Origami Box is becoming the Zig of the 90s....
.
Heard NOTHING but raves on YOUR performance on Secret Cabaret (via
phone call from an agent in the UK) He liked you and one other,
thought the rest was NG!!!
Msg #32386 Dated 8:31:06 01-30-92 32366 <--> 32400
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: DARWIN
Winning at FISM, or anywhere OFTEN is a personality contest. AS
good as Darwin is... his PERFORMING is not the kind that wins a
contest... Many FINE technicians suffer some kind of MINOR difficulty
- often in just their TIMING or a look, an attitude... the degree
can be so fine yet it will get you!
.
Look at the crap act that won comedy. It was all PROPS that were
funny, yet the little Frenchman with the cane that started to
shadow box with him didn't place. Look at the winner of the Close
Up... ONE ROPE TRICK... ARGH....
Msg #32387 Dated 8:31:17 01-30-92 32371 <--> 32449
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Nothing Leaking here, dude! Not even my roof. Meeting today at
9:30 PDT wtih Magazine... pray...
Msg #32389 Dated 16:04:44 01-30-92 32380 <--> 32393
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Yep. We were doing a trade show in Chicago one time and the set up was
on a Sunday. So we had to pay time and a half. Our booth was the kind
that pops out of a carrying case. But house rules said the Union
carpenter had to put it up. Minimum time - 1/2 hour. Then the
electrician had to plug in the outlet box - $125. But the best was the
Draper's Union. They had to put down our tablecloth - minimum time -
1/2 hour, minimum charge - $65. And the official draper didn't even do
the work! He stood at the end of the row and watched (rule was he had
to be able to see the work being done) while some poor shnook they
hired for maybe $4.25 an hour (and a dozen of his buddies in the other
booths) spread the table cloth. Let's see. . . . 12 table cloth
spreaders at $65 per half hour = I don't want to think about it.
Hey! Howcum we ain't got a Magician's Union?
Msg #32390 Dated 16:09:53 01-30-92 32381 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TUESDAY AT THE CASTLE
Garnishing an elephant is an entirely different process.
Msg #32391 Dated 16:10:13 01-30-92 32382 <--> 32404
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
ARGH! (tm - Biro). Calling Doc seems so unsubtle.
Msg #32393 Dated 16:43:25 01-30-92 32389 <--> 32403
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
When we do the SMPTE (Soc. of Mot. Pic. & Television Eng.) trade show
at the Convention Center, L.A., the union /show rule was that you could
put up your own exhibit, if one man could do it in a half hour with
only one screw driver.
Msg #32394 Dated 17:19:02 01-30-92 32180 <--> 32395
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Darwin uses a clip-on mike with a battery activated receiver-
speaker. Binarelli should have used something like this at FISM.
He is a pro and should know better. This setup is perfect for
those close-up performances when there is a band in the room.
I've had that kind of thing often in the past.
.
I've seen Daryl's price sheet where he states he will not perform
if there is a band in the room. The above mike system is the
answer for all venues - particularly Trade Shows.
Msg #32395 Dated 17:19:16 01-30-92 32343 <--> 32396
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Am interested in the "Holster" wallet you mention that Kaps gave
you. Where does one get one? I guess the only shot is to keep
looking into Mens Wear magazines for ads.
.
On the problem of the large European Business Cards. What is the
actual size? It sounds like a great idea.
Msg #32396 Dated 17:19:26 01-30-92 32355 <--> 32397
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Binarelli describes the wallet "pretty thoroughly" but does not
describe the Himber mechanism nor the placement of the zipper.
Having a layman make it up would be a problem. Busby describes
the material of the wallet as faux crocodile. I think that may
mean that it is not even leather.
.
I'm not sure there is an advantage in having all of the wallet
types combined in one. You can only use one method in a perform-
ance.
.
I hate to quote Aristotle but here he is:
"Each instrument has the finest finish when it serves as
single purpose and not a variety of purposes."
.
The Kaps wallet for example is better for the signed card to
wallet as a repeat effect. His use of the Bendix Bombshell method
is not as good as the palming in of the card. Just a personal
choice.
.
A small pad for the switching of pads is better than the huge
wallet.
Msg #32397 Dated 17:19:51 01-30-92 32356 <--> 32398
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Tannen's Catalog #14, item 201 has a description of an index
wallet. Class Acts on page 69 states that Supreme distributed the
index wallet which was picked up by Tannen and now Collector's
Workshop. At the Baltimore IBM I saw this demonstrated by Rich
Bloch and it seemed to be Himber Type.
Msg #32398 Dated 17:20:00 01-30-92 32358 <--> 32399
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BINARELLI
The book does not contain a "rights to construct" caveat as many
books and magazine articles do. By inferenced you make the props.
.
I'm opening a can of worms - or perhaps closing it. The problem
is with "theft of intellectual property". This is something that
has bothered me for quite a while. I paid good money to Al Koran
when he was in Chicago for the 5 star routine with a wrist watch.
The best thing in the purchase was not the watch method, but the
deck idea. Everybody is now using the deck.
.
What is a performer who is out of the mainstream to do when
finding new items. Should I shun copies?
.
Lets now take Binarelli's book which has some great ideas. Are
they all his? No! Take the following credited but perhaps not
authorized use of "intellectual property".
.
The Binarelli Wallet uses the ideas of Himber, Kaps, Bendix.
Benarelli does not give credit to Ed Balducci, the inventor of
the end loading pocket secretary. Kaps just eliminated the use of
the pad as the loading mechanism. Incidentally he can't spell
"Brooke". Henk Vermeyden's Add-a-Note.
.
Here is a list of people who had the "intellectual property"
which Binarelli used in his routines. Syd Bergeron, Fred Kaps, Ed
Balducci, Tony Slydini, Block, Cassidy, Henk Vermeyden, Al Mann,
Jay Sankey, Larry Becker etal. There may be more, but that's the
idea.
.
He mentions Tannen as using some of his ideas. Does he resent
this? There is a picture of Binarelli at a Tannen's Jubilee and one
with Tony Spina. The quote on Tannen's publication of theIndex
Wallet is non-pejorative. It looks like no hard feelings.
.
All of the great magic creators have stood on the shoulders of
giants. I may be corrected, but perhaps even Max has based an
effect on Annemann's Pseudo Psycometry. Perhaps Max may ave some
input into this question of "intellectual property".
.
More later...
Msg #32399 Dated 17:20:45 01-30-92 32384 <--> 32406
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
If I had bought the Harbin book, and therefore had the right to
make Zig Zag, why couldn't I make one and sell it?
Msg #32400 Dated 17:20:51 01-30-92 32386 <--> 32462
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DARWIN
Agree that great technicians aren't always the best performers,
but I think that the reverse - being a technician does not mean
that you can't entertain. Too many magicians, who don't want to
perfect the basics and practice, don't understand that you can be
a technician and entertain as well. They should look at Thompsoni
and Sheets to understand that no-talent entertainers? do the art
of magic no favors.
Msg #32402 Dated 17:29:18 01-30-92 -> 32419
From: JOSEPH SELPH
To: ALL
Re: "DAY OF MAGIC" 1992
I.B.M. Ring 21 has announced that this years' "Day Of Magic" will
be held on Saturday May 2, 1992. Once again, it will be on the campus
of UCLA in Westwood. This year, the evening show has been eliminated
to allow for two additional session of lectures and workshops.
Registrants will have access to an expanded dealers area as well
as a choice of 18 lectures/workshops covering close-up, parlour, stage
and other related subjects. Currently scheduled to appear are Brian
Gilles, Dean Dill, Allan Ackerman, Tom Ogden, Stan Allen & Keith Lock.
Other participants will be announced as they are confirmed.
Registration has remained the same as last year, with a discount
for early registrants. Registration is $45.00 per person before April
1st, $55.00 after April 1st. Registrations will be available at the
door on a space available basis.
To register, send your name, address & phone number along with a
check payable to "IBM Ring 21" to Joe Selph - 2018 Griffith Park Blvd.
Unit #101 - Los Angeles, CA 90039-3551. For additional information,
contact Joe at (213) 660-2998. Hope to see you there!!
Msg #32403 Dated 18:15:54 01-30-92 32389 <--> 32415
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
We do, but we don't tell you...
Msg #32404 Dated 18:15:57 01-30-92 32391 <--> 32416
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
Why be Subtle? The squeaky wheel gets the ride!
Msg #32406 ated 18:16:13 01-30-92 32394 <--> 32407
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
I helped Darwin set up his wireless mike at Baltimore, altho I
thought the quality was a bit weak...
.
NO SOUND SYSTEM IN THE WORLD WOULD HAVE HELPED AT FISM!!! Believe
me!!! They were shouting and stamping their feet for Tamiriz!!!
.
The organizers should have known better!!!!
Msg #32407 Dated 18:16:21 01-30-92 32395 <--> 32408
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
I don't know if there is a standard size biz card... and the
Holster was from a men's wear kinda place... but don't know which.
You can check around the wallet dept's. I guess... Actually I have
two different styles... One I found that is like a suspender, it
hooks on with clips to your pants top in front and rear, the Kaps
one was like a real gun shoulder holster.
Msg #32408 Dated 18:16:29 01-30-92 32396 <--> 32409
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
The Kaps wallet is really an adaptation of the original Balducci
wallet, it was just that Ken Brooke found a source for the real
thing and it only required a little work. The old LePaul type
seems to be best for the envolope version. I think that both Larry
Jennings and Ron Wilson worked out variants that were smaller.
.
I used to combine the Insurance Policy with card in wallet using
the policy as a "guide" to get the card into the wallet easier.
Msg #32409 Dated 18:16:38 01-30-92 32397 <--> 32410
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
I don't have the Tannen Catalog... but if you mean by INDEX a
smaller size--like playing card size, it was my understanding
that was the originial size Himber marketed. And the later ones
were for Money -- hence longer (taller)???
Msg #32410 Dated 18:16:44 01-30-92 32398 <--> 32411
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Hoo boy... har... yep, there is NOTHING (MUCH) NEW!!! Just re-invent
stuff. Thassallitakes! Har...
.
I just got a stack of really old (1930s) books from Davenports.
And the handling discussed here not too long ago for the way to
force a card (more convincingly) via the Hindu Shuffle (pulling
out a middle stock for the first shuffle) was in print then, by
Eric C. Lewis! He (Lewis) also devised the "diminishin silk"
production, so commonly used today! Hmmmmm
.
So... what the heck... lets all use what we want... and just be
cool, and be different in our presentations, personality and style?
OK? NO? OH! News at 10...
Msg #32411 Dated 18:16:58 01-30-92 32399 <--> 32418
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Cuz the book (you had to sign a contract before you bought it) says
you can't sell nuttin!!! You can make 'em and do 'em...
Msg #32412 Dated 18:17:05 01-30-92 -> 32420
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: IMPOK
IMP seems to be OK now...hmmmm mita been line noise er sumpin...
lumpkinG
Msg #32413 Dated 18:40:06 01-30-92 -> 32435
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
Is anyone else on the board going to the Academy of Magical Arts awards
banquet? S&R and Lance Burton will be there. It would be nice to sit
with someone familiar if any of you will be attending. Let me know...
Msg #32415 Dated 20:10:07 01-30-92 32393 <--> 32457
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
L.A. is a little easier. But in Chicago the union guys definitely were
the ones holding the screwdrivers.
Msg #32416 Dated 20:22:24 01-30-92 32404 <--> 32423
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
Yeah, I guess I'll have to call him. He did make the offer.
Msg #32418 Dated 20:29:47 01-30-92 32398 <--> 32441
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Max is probably gonna kill me! But my thinking is that once someone
has published a method and you have bought the book, it is yours to use
as you see fit.
As to patter and presentation, I think that you have to make something
your own. On the other hand, often the originator has put in a lot of
"field testing" and refining and it seems to me that if they publish
the patter and presentation then you are equally entitled to it.
Msg #32419 Dated 20:32:18 01-30-92 32402 <--> 32426
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JOSEPH SELPH (X)
Re: "DAY OF MAGIC" 1992
Thanks for the info on the Day of Magic, Joe! Really appreciate it and
hope that a good number of MAGIC! members will attend.
Msg #32420 Dated 20:32:51 01-30-92 32412 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMPOK
Yep, could have been line noise. Stuff like that happens.
Msg #32423 Dated 20:41:16 01-30-92 32382 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MUSEUM!!!!
Do we have (dare I say it?) a RUNNING JOKE?!?
Will elephant varnishing become the craze of the
nineties?........Nah
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32426 Dated 21:11:36 01-30-92 32419 <--> 32428
From: JOSEPH SELPH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: "DAY OF MAGIC" 1992
Hey David! Got more good news which you might wish to add to my
previous message. We have just confirmed Carl Ballantine to be at the
Day Of Magic as well. I'll keep everyone updated as we hear from more
people. We have several BIG names that are in the negotiating phase at
this time. AND, we are also beginning to book for the 1993 Day Of
Magic which will be May 8 & 9, 1993 at the Queen Mary in Long Beach.
This will be a two day event, rather than one day. We have a tentative
promise from David Copperfield to be with us then, but we'll announce
the 1993 event officially on May 2nd so keep this part quiet for now!
Msg #32428 Dated 21:37:32 01-30-92 32426 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JOSEPH SELPH (X)
Re: "DAY OF MAGIC" 1992
Wow! It sounds like both Day of Magic '92 and Day of Magic '93 will be
super events! Great! But as to keeping anything quiet . . . Well, uh,
you posted it in a public message on MAGIC!
I do know that D. C. was bothered by the crowds that ganged around him
at FISM. He had hoped to be just another attendee and to enjoy the
event. If he is planning to be at D of M '93 as an attendee, you may
want to make sure that some courtesy is extended to him in that regard.
Msg #32429 Dated 22:00:12 01-30-92 -> 32444
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WALLET
Pete:
Howie was the guy with the "All-In-One" Wallet...it's called the Beta
Wallet and it's creator is Eric Mason. See the Nov/Dec Magic Menu for
a review...
Msg #32431 Dated 22:09:16 01-30-92 -> 32524
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC-NL
I notice that we have a small but growing number of 9600 bps V.42bis
users now among us. Arnaud, in the Netherlands, has asked if perhaps
someone with a 9600 V.42bis modem can help relay some of the
MAGIC!/MAGIC-NL messages. Apparently, it is much cheaper to call from
the U.S. to Europe than from Europe to the U.S. You would be
reimbursed for your costs.
If anyone can help Arnaud out, please drop him a note here on MAGIC!
Thanks!
Msg #32434 Dated 22:27:08 01-30-92 -> 32466
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: I'M FLYING INTO LA ON WED
DOC! I missed you! I've been off line for about
2 months and just saw yer message. You Shoulda
called!!!. Guess I'll have to get up to Aspen
now. Oh the sacrifices'. Thanks again for all
the material for the issue. People were real
happy with the variety. Did you get the
Paul Butler cartoon?
Msg #32435 Dated 22:30:00 01-30-92 32413<--> 32439
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
I might?!
Msg #32436 Dated 22:30:40 01-30-92
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ALL
Re: MAC ATTACK!!!!!!
Hello All! I have just come across some Ed Harris Clip Art on disk. I
Msg #32439 Dated 23:07:46 01-30-92 32413 <--> 32447
From: PETE BIRO
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
I would like to go... but the $$$ is keeping me away this time...
Argh... If it changes will letcha know...
Msg #32441 Dated 23:07:56 01-30-92 32418 <--> 32448
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BINARELLI
I agree dude... you buy it you got it...
Msg #32444 Dated 23:08:07 01-30-92 32429 <--> 32467
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: WALLET
You got it... I knew it was someone at Nashville! Howie is the man.
I hope Cy reads this and contacts Howard himself... who is no
longer on line here. But checks the stock market quotes on Prodigy
daily.
Msg #32446 Dated 0:05:18 01-31-92 32277 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: FRI
WILL BE THERE AND PLAY THE STOOGE. Yes went to Vegas and saw Lance,
but didn't do Geno's show. Am going to try and do it next weekend.
Wanna come along? Would love to have you there. have you seen Lance's
show? Planning on making Melinda's last week there and am talking to
a few people about working there. Fill you in on the details tomorrow.
See ya at the Castle.
Msg #32447 Dated 0:09:03 01-31-92 32413 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE AWARDS BANQUET
I'm going. Already have reservations and believe it or not have sent
in the money for the tix. Should be a hoot!!!!!
Msg #32448 Dated 0:33:38 01-31-92 32418 <--> 32458
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BINARELLI
This has been discussed before. I think the "rules" are simple to
understand, and well established: _unless_ defined otherwise by the
author and/or publisher (in which case such information should be
provided up front prior to purchase), it is generally understood that
buying a book entitles the buyer to perform the material. It does not
grant that person the right to manufacture or market items from that
book for sale to others.
Msg #32449 Dated 0:37:05 01-31-92 32248 <--> 32450
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
I'm going to the castle Sat night will talk to EJ about setting up an
early warning system.
.
Doesn't everyone have a black outfit ? That's all I wear - helps mask
the aura !
Msg #32450 Dated 0:37:09 01-31-92 32267 <--> 32454
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Unfortunately I don't have cable so I missed the Comedy Central bit.
The State of the Union Address was funny enough for me all by itself.
Msg #32452 Dated 0:37:15 01-31-92 32333 <--> 32525
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH
I don't need the card to disappear in a flash I just need the damn
thing to burn - regular cards don't withut adding some sort of
flammable liquid like lighter fluid, gasoline, or napalm.
.
Yea, I guess its good to be back - Colorado issuch a nice energy
spot compared to LA. I'm getting used to seeing the air I breath, so
I know I'm back.
.
Let me know how the flash card works out and how to go about gettg
some. Thanks.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #32453 Dated 0:37:22 01-31-92 32264 <--> 32482
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMP?
Right after 'transmit "RC;*^M"
put in 'waitquiet 2 forever'
next line 'log close'
.
This seems to fix the script up, try it you'll like it.
Msg #32454 Dated 0:37:26 01-31-92 32305 <--> 32455
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
10H normally means 16 base 10, 10b would be 2 base 2.
Msg #32455 Dated 0:37:28 01-31-92 32351 <--> 32456
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Forget my prior msg, I see you are educating the computerlumpen in
the vagaries of different number base systems.
Msg #32456 Dated 0:37:31 01-31-92 32379 <--> 32476
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Heard on the news tonight that the boom you experienced is being
investigated by Cal Tech - it was the shuttle ! Probably someother
govt secret plane or UFO.
Msg #32457 Dated 0:37:34 01-31-92 32389 <--> 32479
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
I had an experience at Disneyland Hotel where they wouldn't let me
wheel my stuff in - anything with wheels had to be moved by the
Teamsters, had a CD Hawk hard drive the size of a small Buick in
a cabinet on wheels and they wanted $ 50 just to ha sme jerk
push it in.
.
I found a side door by our booth and smuggled it in and out without
playing their stupid game.
Msg #32458 Dated 0:42:47 01-31-92 32358 <--> 32459
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BINARELLI
I am not sure about this; neither the index wallet nor the Himber are
the exclusive property of Binarelli, of course, and I don't know that
combining the two makes something unique. It might also be pointed ou
(out) that he uses the Bendix zipper and the loading technique, neither
of which are his. Years ago, in MAGICK I think, I posited using a
Himber wallet as an index device; this used the flap-type Billfooled
but the principle was the same...
...all of which is a long way of saying that No, I don't think it
would be theft. This is quite aside from the fact that the description
of any prop in a book is usually construed as tacit permission to make
one for private use.
Msg #32459 Dated 0:47:21 01-31-92 32396 <--> 32460
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Leather workers who make wallets are usually rather skilled; if you
carefully specified what you wanted I don't think a good craftsman
would find the slightest difficulty.
For the Card In Wallet, I am prejudiced toward the Emerson/West
wallet -- because I have a very good routine for it.
Msg #32460 Dated 0:49:17 01-31-92 32397 <--> 32473
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
The Supreme Thought Explosion wallet was a flap-type, and so I believe
was the Collectors Wkshp item -- the Binarelli is the Z-fold with
retaining straps as used by Himber.
Msg #32462 Dated 5:43:33 01-31-92 32386 <--> 32468
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DARWIN
And just my luck - I missed the guy who won Close up! That one rope
trick musta' been a duzy, considering the competition! Isn't the guy
who won close up cming over to one of the U.S. conventions this year?
Msg #32466 Dated 7:06:31 01-31-92 32434 <--> 32488
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: I'M FLYING INTO LA ON WED
There you are. Two months off the system!!! Check in for your
mail once a week at least. Anyway, you don't have many subscribers
around these parts. Send me a couple hundred subscription blanks
and I'll include them in my mailing for next MCCMS. Also, please
send a sample issue to:Al Eakes, 434 Kemper Dr. N., Madison, TN
37115. This guy will probably subscribe. Send me those blanks and
I'll get you some subscribers in these parts.
Msg #32467 Dated 7:06:39 01-31-92 32444 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WALLET
Cy probably lives down the road from Howie. Or at least in the
same metro area.
Msg #32468 Dated 7:06:42 01-31-92 32462 <--> 32487
From: TABBY CRABB
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: DARWIN
Gloria watched _Icebreakers_ and was making cigarette rise outa
the pack for me when I got home. Only problem was, that since I
quit smoking she wouldn't give me one to smoke. Good job, amigo!
Msg #32473 Dated 8:03:55 01-31-92 32448 <--> 32474
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Thanks, Max. Cy was not, I believe, here for the previous
conversation. Also, since it is not a simple issue, it is one that I
believe will surface again and again.
Do I take it from your response that you agree with T A? That unless
you are specifically prohibited by an up front "license" or other
provision, that one could manufacture an item for personal use once one
has purchased the book?
Msg #32474 Dated 8:10:17 01-31-92 32458 <--> 32485
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Thanks, T A. I appreciate the clarification.
I may be wrong, but I think that even patent law allows one to make a
patented object for one's own use, just not for resale. An apocryphal
story is that one of the electronics houses used to include patented
circuits in their kits - sending you the parts and instructions.
Msg #32476 Dated 8:18:44 01-31-92 32449 <--> 32477
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
I must admit that with all of you running around in black, I have had
a certain temptation to try it. But then I just lie down and the
temptation passes.
Msg #32477 Dated 8:22:06 01-31-92 32455 <--> 32478
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Yep, the original H was an unthinking typo at an entirely too early
hour of the morning.
Msg #32478 Dated 8:23:17 01-31-92 32456 <--> 32481
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
The boom-boom that rocked techy heaven certainly seemed to be the
Shuttle! It arrived at the right time. I'm told that this was the
last planned shuttle landing at Edwards. I will miss that cheerful
announcement of its return to Earth.
Msg #32479 Dated 8:27:14 01-31-92 32457 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Yeah, wheels get the Teamsters involved! Our booth in Chicago was hand
carryable, so they let us bring it in. Just wouldn't let us set it up!
I don't recal us having problems in Anneheim at the Convention Center.
Never tried to set up a booth at the Disneyland hotel, although Nathan
did work one about a year ago.
Msg #32481 Dated 8:40:00 01-31-92 32449 <--> 32483
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Don't you also use a bit of cologne? (To mask the Aura??)
Msg #32482 Dated 8:40:03 01-31-92 32453 <--> 32547
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IMP?
Funny... without it is is NOW working just fine??? ARgh.. mita been
line noise... or a slow news day?
Msg #32483 Dated 8:40:07 01-31-92 32455 <--> 32484
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Yah, great lesson 2 + 2 ain't FOUR? ARgh...
Msg #32484 Dated 8:40:10 01-31-92 32456 <--> 32544
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
It was "gas" from a weightless astronaut...
Msg #32485 Dated 8:40:12 01-31-92 32459 <--> 32486
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BINARELLI
OK, basically "what IS the Emerson/West" wallet?
Msg #32486 Dated 8:40:15 01-31-92 32460 <--> 32492
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BINARELLI
I have a cheap plastic Supreme wallet that has a flap with a
snap button (standard flip type exchange wallet) but I JUST LIKE
THE SNAP BUTTON idea... makes it SEEM like you can't get in and
do nuttin!!!
Msg #32487 Dated 8:40:21 01-31-92 32462 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: DARWIN
Card winner, Lennert Green will be at Stevens DMS... as will a
couple of the other "hot" guys, but not the winner... the rope
routine was one long continuous 'STAND UP' sequence, much the same
as Sandsational or the Frenchman I used at a recent convention
(Name brain not in gear yet this morning)...
.
Ali Bongo and I (both on the Jury) figured he didn't have a chance
to win so we each gave him about 60 points (we decided that anyone
that was NOT CLOSE would automatically get 50-60 points... AS
YOU NEED 80 to win anything....) When they announced the guy as
the winner we both jumped up and wanted to change our scores to 10.
.
But the "agreed" deal was NO CHANGING scores after positions were
announced! He even had gone overtime -- the red light went on...
So we didn't think he was even in the running.
.
The Unnofficial Rule on the red light was if it went on and the
act finished in about 10-15 seconds... and the act had NOT STARTED
ANYTHING NEW in the last minute or so... it was to be ignored...
as they could have had a "slow volunteer from the audience" or
something to slow the act down... long reaction, applause, laff,
etc...
.
But this guy did only one thing... work with rope... so I don't
think it applied??????? It was in reality ONE trick, like the
linking rings is ONE TRICK... but you can vary the length, add
delete moves etc... and frankly, to run that close is stupid.
If you have a 10 minute limit you shouldn't run more than 9 for
safety...(in my opinion) (Altho I did go overtime, had the red
light come and and still won first place myslef -- there was an
unexpected accident in the room, I threw as line and got a 2 minute
laff)!!!! Judges knew this was not my doing. (It wasn't honest)!
.
But the jury in FISM won me back by giving Tim Ellis an award
even though he Did only 1 trick (rules say more than one) and did
only 4 minutes (rules say "at least 6")... he did the funniest six
card repeat I have ever seen! (Booked him for Salt Lake)... bye
Msg #32488 Dated 8:40:57 01-31-92 32466 <--> 32517
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: I'M FLYING INTO LA ON WED
Do I read "Tabman in LA next Wed?" huh.....
Msg #32490 Dated 8:41:50 01-31-92 -> 32496
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: MESSAGE
I re entered manually and yes there was more??? Argh..... I dunno...
will see.. got to run, going to look at a restaurant that wants to add
magicians to the scene... well report later... by by...
Msg #32492 Dated 8:48:46 01-31-92 32473 <--> 32493
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BINARELLI
That has been the "norm" for as looooong as I can recall. Buy the
book read the book, learn the trick, do it, make it... but don't
sell 'em..........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #32493 Dated 10:05:25 01-31-92 32492 <--> 32502
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
The read the book, learn the trick, do it, make it, but don't sell it
"rule" seems reasonable to me!
Msg #32496 Dated 10:12:12 01-31-92 32490 <--> 32511
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE
A resturant with magicians! What a novel idea! I had an offer from a
place that sells bunk beds -- they want a magician to keep the kids
busy while the parents are signing the paperwork.
Msg #32497 Dated 11:15:08 01-31-92 -> 32527
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
MAGIC!-NL Wed 29 Jan 92 13:01
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
That's true! If an assignment is given, then yes, the buyer can
state what it is what they wwant. The artist can then see for
himself wether or not he can work within those restriction and
accept the job or not. But it is not for the buyer to decide on
artistic judgments concerning the work. That idea is a horror to
me. ---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #32498 Dated 11:15:13 01-31-92 -> 32501
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ALL
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
MAGIC!-NL Fri 31 Jan 92 01:01
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
Well gang, I've found a way around David's registration fee for
the BBS -- get your company to transfer you to Holland and join
the BBS over here! I'm stuck - er posted - here for two years.
Complete with European-style vacations (6 weeks per year) -- I
should be able to get to a few conventions over here, which I
couldn't otherwise afford.
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 0:0/0)
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Msg #32499 Dated 11:15:18 01-31-92 -> 32513
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BUREAUCRACY
MAGIC!-NL Fri 31 Jan 92 01:11
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
Thought you might enjoy this ANNOYING little tidbit from my last
day in The City:
I went to The Bank to close my accounts. I wanted to have the
money sent over here in such a way that I would have immediate
access to it. The only thing they would gurantee I could have
immediate
access to the funds was travellers' cheques. Fine.
The catch was that they didn't have any travellers' cheques in
Dutch currency actually in the bank -- they had to go to the
vault to get them. Come back in a couple of hours they said.
Fine.
A couple of hours later I went back to The Bank to get my
travellers' cheques. They were there, but the clerk who had
waited on me the first time ws gone and someone else was
handling foreign exchange. The problem was that by this time,
technically I was no longer a bank customer and the new clerk
wanted to charge me a fee for the &*%^$L!! travellers' cheques,
which were supposed to be free with the type of account I had
just closed!
.
I'm told that banks over here arfar more bureaucratic. I'll
let you know.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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