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Msg #32500 Dated 11:15:28 01-31-92 -> 32514
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONGRATULATIONS
MAGIC!-NL Fri 31 Jan 92 01:12
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW JOB!!! Is it the one I think it is?
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #32501 Dated 13:33:29 01-31-92 32498 <--> 32512
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
TO: Lynn Healy
VIA: MAGIC-NL/NETHERLANDS
Yeah, but Lynn, now you have to pay MAGIC-NL's registration fee!
Knowing of your interest in Dutch magic, I'm glad you have a company
that could send you to Holland! But Arnaud's gain is our loss - we
will miss having you local to the U.S. At least we can all stay in
touch with you thanks to MAGIC-NL.
Msg #32502 Dated 13:42:26 01-31-92 -> 32507
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BINARELLI
That's funny, I thought my message was in English.
Msg #32505 Dated 14:30:59 01-31-92 -> 32508
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE
Thanx, David!
Always nice to visit this friendly electronically communicative
compendium of prestidigitators!
Say WHAT???!!!
'Wayne.
Msg #32507 Dated 14:42:36 01-31-92 32502 <--> 32530
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Your message was indeed quite clear, Max. But you did not specifically
mention the manufacture of an item for one's own use, unless that is
included in "perform."
Msg #32508 Dated 14:45:22 01-31-92 32505 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: CASTLE
I've tried to derive several acronyms from "friendly electronically
communicative compendium of prestidigitators" but didn't find any that
I liked. Most simply sounded like a cross between a belch and a
hiccough. Anyway, nice to see you around here again.
Msg #32511 Dated 15:12:11 01-31-92 -> 32516
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MESSAGE
I would say it sounds like BUNK to me... but that is a cheep shot.
Was the message of my new job privte? Hmmmm...
Msg #32512 Dated 15:12:15 01-31-92 32498 <--> 32554
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
stay in touch.... let me know if you find a good Sushi bar!!!
Hope all your stuff makes it without breaking!!!!
Msg #32513 Dated 15:12:19 01-31-92 -> 32550
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BUREAUCRACY
Sounds like a bum deal... no wonder banks are going broke... the
people working tere probably just graduated from the Drive Thru
Window at MacDonalds!!! Yargghhh....
.
If you get to Richard Ross' club, let me know how it is... etc...
Hope all is good!
Msg #32514 Dated 15:12:26 01-31-92 32500 <--> 32678
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: CONGRATULATIONS
The new job is as Editor of DRIVE magazine... I start Monday morning.
Now that I got it I am getting nervous! ARgh.... They don't have
enough budget to send me to the Dutch GP at Zandvoort, tho...
.
See if you can get Koornwinder to send the Kaps manuscript to Mike
Caveney as it is for editing and publishing...
.
Be good!
Msg #32515 Dated 15:12:35 01-31-92 -> 32532
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: HOW...
I write my numbers on the back -- or inside -- of Oreo Cookies...
and slurp.... they's gone....
Msg #32516 Dated 15:12:39 01-31-92 -> 32521
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MESSAGE
I just went and looked and I was replying to a Private Message...
soooo.... soooo that others will know....
.
BIRO IS NO LONGER AMONG THE UNEMPLOYED!!!!
.
HOOOORAY!!!!!
.
I THINK...????
.
gad, now I can't lounge around 'til 3 pm daily in my underwear
at the keyboard!!!
.
I is now "EDITOR" of DRIVE Magazine... a Northern California-based
Automotive Monthly Magazine! (Is seven minutes from here!)
.
Start Monday Morning... argh...
.
They also publish BAM, a rock-n-roll magazine... and
.
MICROTIMES.... a computer magazine... wowzooooo
.
they's got MAC IIs with Quark, do their own four color separations,
etc. etc. on the computer, get new stuff to test alla time and
wowzoooo, I get to hang around and look at stuff.
.
Let's hope I am qualified... (They THINK I am overqualified) (Well,
the money will help.... the rent will be paid now!)
.
Still hangin' in....
.
More News soon on a new Magic Restaurant planned for San Francisco.
.
See, Lynn, you moved too soon! (No sushi planned tho)!
.
Mo later dudes and dudettes...
Msg #32517 Dated 15:55:11 01-31-92 -> 32543
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I'M FLYING INTO LA ON WED
I have a chance to play pedal steel in Paulette Carlson's New Road
Band. Will find out mid Feb. Paulette is based out of LA, though
I think she lives in Nashville. Working for the man; well in
this case WOMAN! If the house sells next 30 days I'm off the
hook. No loan so we cut the price of the Hotel DeCarlo in half.
Think we have a buyer at the discount. We gonna cut losses and
run (figure of speech)! Argh (used with permission)!! Am cranking
Conjurors' Woodworks back up tomorrow and make the first table
in several months. Guy has only been waiting (without a peep, too)
for 18 weeks. Woah, a patient dude, dude! Am wanting to do magic
alla time but have to go look for a bus to ride for a while. The
way the recession is I'll be home half the time anyway. Congrats on
the EDITOR IN CHIEF gig.
Msg #32521 Dated 17:31:04 01-31-92 32511 <--> 32522
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Yes, the message about your new job was private!
Msg #32522 Dated 17:32:10 01-31-92 32516 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Well, THAT message wasn't private! CONGRATULATIONS, BIRO! Show 'em
what a Biro can do!
Msg #32524 Dated 18:53:05 01-31-92 32431 <--> 32531
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC-NL
David,
When I signed up for PC Pursuit, they sent me some information
about DataCallPlus. Apparently for about $8.00/hour you can use
their network much like PC Pursuit. They have a line in
Amsterdam. I'd be happy to find out what is needed and involved.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32525 Dated 18:53:13 01-31-92 -> 32548
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FLASH
Jerry,
I'll try making some flash cards tomorrow. I may be at the
Castle Saturday night, and if so, will hunt you up, and either
give some cards to you, or explain my failure.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32527 Dated 18:53:38 01-31-92
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Arnaud,
Please forward this message to Tommy Wonder.
Tommy,
I absolutely agree that the artist must be free to do what he
wishes. A patron may set down restrictions, but should do so
before hand, and allow the artist to decide for himself whether
he can live with said restrictions.
But the whole matter takes on a different hue when the patron is
a government. I think that this is the only place where we have
a difference of oppinion. I'm not even REAL sure we have a
difference of oppinion here, as I'm not sure what I think of the
whole thing. If it were up to me, I would probably not give
those sorts of grants. Unfortunatly, this would not mean a tax
cut, but rather, that the money would go for something less
productive.
I am constantly amazed at what our government sees fit to spend
money on.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32528 Dated 18:59:44 01-31-92 -> 32551
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CASTLE LIBRARY
I will be visiting in Los Angles this week Sun-Tues. Would it be
possible for me to see the New Castle Library. Please let me know how
we may arrange this. Thanks in advance!
Msg #32530 Dated 19:49:47 01-31-92 32507 <--> 32538
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BINARELLI
If a book describes a piece of apparatus in the context of a trick, and
as I wrote the purchase of the book provides permission to perform that
trick, then of course the right to manufacture the prop for that
purpose is included.
Msg #32531 Dated 20:31:59 01-31-92 32524 <--> 32602
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC-NL
Kevin -
I most certainly would like to know more about DataCallPlus! Telenet
has never told me about it! If you can get more info., I'd appreciate
it.
P.S. - Do they have service to other countries? Particularly, Japan
and New Zealand?
Msg #32532 Dated 20:45:07 01-31-92 -> 32552
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: HOW...
W'
Forgive me if I'm confused...byt when did I recently ask you for your
address & number? I'm glad to have it, and will duly note it in my
Wizard...then again that's how I lost it the last time...better yet, I
will photocopy it on 1 million post it notes and wall paper my room
with it as well as having it tatooed across my chest ala Cape Fear!
.
Hope you'll be able to get up to the Castle the 10-16 of Feb. Will have
a bit of time between shows, and then the always pleasant wind-down
after the shows are done, so's we can chat and catch up with what's
been going on. Although I'm not working the Friday lunch that week
please let me know if your there as I might be in attendance.
Till the next time...
THE EVER PUSTULANT GEEKMAN!
Msg #32538 Dated 22:32:31 01-31-92 32530 <--> 32545
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BINARELLI
OK, thanks for the clarification, Max.
Msg #32539 Dated 22:33:53 01-31-92 -> 32555
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I've been asked to relay a couple of messages:
The Magic of David Copperfield XIV is scheduled to air on March 31st at
8 p.m. on CBS. Please check your local listing for possible time
differences in your area.
And a comment on the Orson Wells effect:
"The Orson Wells bit was made (as far as we can tell by research) while
he was filming "The Amazing Ambersons," around 1942. Nina Himber
contacted John Gaughan, who gave her our number. We had the film
transferred from nitrate (not easy to do, most people won't touch
nitrate), all the while afraid it would dissolve before we got it
copied."
Msg #32540 Dated 22:39:23 01-31-92 -> 32584
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: INTERESTING QUOTE
A couple of weeks ago, there was a discussion of the role of magic and
the mysterious here on MAGIC! (as well as in Max's Parallax column in
M A G I C).
Tonite I saw the following on Silent Radio. I attempted to jot it
down, and I think I have it very close to correct.
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.
It is the basis of all art and science."
- Albert Einstein.
Msg #32543 Dated 23:41:50 01-31-92 -> 32682
From: DANTE LARSEN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: I'M FLYING INTO LA ON WED
Thanks Tabby, will get the sample out & the
forms. Will You be at the Castle Wed?
Msg #32544 Dated 0:35:25 02-01-92 -> 32546
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
My msg 32456 should have read 'It was NOT the shuttle', was something
else altogether.
Msg #32545 Dated 0:38:38 02-01-92 -> 32549
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
It is described in the CARD TO WALLET book; basically it is a Balducci
pad loader with a zipper compartment. The other side has a full length
window with a masking piece in it so you can have something behind it
which does not show through. In my routine the card goes to the wallet
three times, under increasingly tough conditions.
Msg #32546 Dated 0:40:41 02-01-92 -> 32557
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
My msg 32456 should have read 'It was NOT the shuttle', was something
else altogether.
Msg #32547 Dated 0:40:44 02-01-92 -> 32571
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMP?
It worked for me for a while as well, then it started closing the
log file about half way through so I added the WAITQUIET back and it
has been working fine ever since.
.
Basic rule - If it ain't broke don't fix it !
Msg #32548 Dated 0:40:47 02-01-92 32525 <--> 32603
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH
Thanks, I'll be roaming around the castle Sat evening, hope to see
you there. I'll show you Tabman's great card effect, that I want to
use the burning card with.
Msg #32549 Dated 0:40:50 02-0-92 32538 <--> 32556
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Sheesh, David - sometimes you can be so obtuse !
Msg #32550 Dated 0:41:16 02-01-92
From: T A WATERS
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BUREAUCRACY
You have my sympathies -- if not my surprise.
Msg #32551 Dated 0:42:05 02-01-92 32528 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: CASTLE LIBRARY
The library is not open Mon or Tues; I will be there on Sunday, however
-- give me a call tomorrow (Sat) 10-3 and make an appointment. I
presume that you are a regular member.
Msg #32552 Dated 0:44:59 02-01-92 32532 <--> 32559
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: HOW...
What exactly is a Pustulant ? Glad to see you working the castle, wil
l definitely be there.
Msg #32553 Dated 0:45:01 02-01-92 -> 32573
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ALL
Re: USER OF IMP!
Ee;32524
I have uncovered an anomoly in IMP! it seems I miss displaying some
of the msgs. This can be corrected by ESCaping out after the end
of messages is seen and then re-entering using F6. The UNREAD
msgs will then be presented in order.
.
I think it has something to do with the way the threads are construct
ed by MAGIC!
.
Bizarre.
Msg #32554 Dated 0:49:02 02-01-92 32498 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
How wonderful for you! Now you can get impatient with an entirely new
set of magicians...
Msg #32555 Dated 0:52:35 02-01-92 32539 <--> 32558
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
David -- it is WELLES -- not Wells; although there was such a one who
was a dealer in magic and spells...
Msg #32556 Dated 0:55:05 02-01-92 32549 <--> 32570
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Darn it, Burton! I am _not_ obtuse! I am the exact same weight I've
been for 20 years!
Msg #32557 Dated 0:55:48 02-01-92 32546 <--> 32574
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
RE: The boom-boom not being caused by the shuttle. Yeah, I figured you
meant "not" the shuttle. But it seems to me that this is about the
third time that Cal Tech has said that after a shuttle was landing. I
was sitting at the MAGIC! console when the boom-boom hit (and the
windows and walls shook) and went and turned on a television set and,
sure enough, the shuttle was just coming into the Edwards area. I've
come to recognize that particular double boom pattern as the shuttle's
landing signature. So phooey on Cal Tech!
Msg #32558 Dated 1:00:00 02-01-92 32555 <--> 32578
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
It was entirely my fault, T A. It was a pure typo. The original
message had Welles spelled correctly.
Msg #32559 Dated 4:05:35 02-01-92 32552 <--> 32572
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HOW...
Mounsour Bizarre...
I will give you a full anf very graphic description of the word next
time I see you (I'll even include some pie-charts from USA TODAY) as
well as throw in some incrredible 8mm film of several pustulants
frolicking in the pine-apple fields of Molokai.
I'm glad to be working the Castle too, although I may be tarred,
feathered, skinned and used for a throw rug by the time the week is
over. Have been working overtime on this act (quite a bit of it new),
and just to let you know, since you've seen the regular stuff I do,
this one is much more off-the-wall and bizarre. Seems that my ever
furtile brain has been working overtime...I've put together so much
stuff that I've had to do some drastic cutting, although I'm still a
bit over in my show time. Should have that corrected by Monday of that
week.
.
TONY (aka Topo the Gopher Boy)
.
P.S.: Is blood-letting allowed in the Castle?
Msg #32561 Dated 6:41:58 02-01-92 -> 32581
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
MAGIC!-NL Fri 31 Jan 92 23:31
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
That is a good point you mention there. When you commission
someone, indeed it might be good to have a good relationship,
some form of communication, may be even inspiration. That is
however a different thing than thinking one has the right to
decide on artistic
judgments, those should ultimately be made only by the artist and
one has to have respect for that. On the other hand, if that does
not happen, and the artist produces the work grudgingly, the
artist should realize that that is not the way to go and should
in such a case return the assignment. That is also part of
artistic integrety. Because when the work is done
grudgingly, the result can never be of true value, it would be
kitsch at the most.
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #32562 Dated 6:42:08 02-01-92 -> 32736
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
MAGIC!-NL Fri 31 Jan 92 23:36
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
I personally feel that never has the buyer the right to change
the object. That is the utmost in disrespect to the artist.
Legally one may have the right to do so(may be) but then of
course the name of the artist should also be removed from the
work, because it will
then no longer be the work the way the artist meant it to be.
But it remains a disgrace and a direct spit in the face of the
artist. Such people do not deserve anybody to make them anything,
they should make things themselves from the start, and not hire
artists. Artistically speaking these peoples are morons!
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #32563 Dated 6:42:18 02-01-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: TOMMY WONDER
Re: BILL SWITCH?
MAGIC!-NL Fri 31 Jan 92 23:48
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
You'll most probably see now she's here in Holland you will get
many requests for shows in US and have to go over there many
times, leaving her all alone (with MAGIC!-NL nearby of course...)
at home behind the open fire.....
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #32564 Dated 6:42:27 02-0192
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: ROULETTE COMPUTERS
MAGIC!-NL Fri 31 Jan 92 23:55
Arnaud Van.Rietschoten posted the following msg:
Geno,
We had/have an interesting discussion here on MAGIC!-NL on the
usage and proven usefulness of roulette computers.
There seem to be various principles in use, one of them
predictingthe area where the little ball will end-up, depending of
various measurable variables (wheel-speed..etc....).
One of our members got an offer for such a computer for a bargain
of ca. $30.000,-.
Some questions:
o What is your experience with those devices?
o Which principles have a proven profit?
o Are they in common use with the modern hustler?
o What is the legal status of those devices?
o What prices are they available in the US?
Thanx for your answers......
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #32565 Dated 6:42:42 02-01-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
MAGIC!-NL Sat 01 Feb 92 00:07
Tommy Wonder posted the ollowing msg:
That surely is the irony of life! Now Lynn is here the phone from
the US is red hot asking me for all kinds of shows in the US.
Arghhh! ( Since when, Arnaud, are you posting messgaes to me in
the US area? Have you moved to the states?).
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #32566 Dated 6:42:51 02-01-92 -> 32679
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
MAGIC!-NL Sat 01 Feb 92 00:12
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
CY, are you really using a clip-on mike in close-up conditions?
To me it seems practical only on a theoretical level, but in
actual
practice I think your own voice is much more reliable than a
mike. Also in close-up situations an amplified voice makes the
whole thing more unnatural.
Like Pete said, we should get more professional help. In this
case I think it is a much better investment to get voice lessons
than to buy such a mike. For sure, a good trained voice can
surmount the
problem in close-up situatins.
Concerning Binarelli at Fism, no mike, no sound system whatsoever
would have solved the problem he was in. It was not so much a
matter of being heard, the audience could not concentrate on him
because of Tamariz working the other side of the room.
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #32567 Dated 6:43:02 02-01-92 -> 32680
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
MAGIC!-NL Sat 01 Feb 92 00:16
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
The holster wallet used to be available years ago, when mens
clothes were very tight ( sixties and beginning seventies). Today
I have not seen them for many years, so it might be difficult to
find them,
although you could always have one made.
The sizes of European business cards. There is no standard size
like in the US, but most are about 6 cm x 10 cm give or take a
centimeter on either side, and so are larger than the ones in the
states.
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #32568 Dated 6:43:11 02-01-92 -> 32576
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
MAGIC!-NL Fri 31 Jan 92 23:14
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Yes Lynn has arrived in the land of tulips all right. She is
adjusting and has a lot of things still to arrange. We are really
coming in contact with bureaucracy ere, but I suppose that that
is part of the deal.
The PCAM has not contacted me yet, but may be they will. If you
want, give them a little push. All the best Pete!
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #32569 Dated 6:43:21 02-01-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
MAGIC!-NL Fri 31 Jan 92 23:25
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Yes you are right, one must be carefull, claiming artistic
freedom sounds nice and it is, but one cannot do that before one
is full
grown, before one knows exactly what one is doing and why. It is
very hard to attain that, it requires a lot of work and a very
honest way of looking at oneself all the time. It definately is
not an easy way out. My estimation is that may be 1 in a thousand
magicians ever attain that status. Most never come even close to
the point of claiming artistic freedom, simply because they
themselves do not know what the heck they are doing, are not full
grown
artistically, and do not take a hard honest look at themselves.
They live under a delusion about themselves, and so have no right
of
speaking about theirartistic claims. But even then, I must say,
if one does not have this status oneself, usually a buyer has
even less attained this status and so has even less right to
decide what the artist should do.
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* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #32570 Dated 8:20:14 02-01-92 32545 <--> 32674
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Thanks, T A... Y'know, I think I have one of the old original type
of wallets that Ed utilized around here someplace. I used to collect
wallets! Sure, collectors are nuts... now I collect books by dumb
authors (well, some dumb authors...)
Msg #32571 Dated 8:20:21 02-01-92 32547 <--> 32613
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IMP?
Will see if it is broke, then fixit... has happened on compuserve
too. The stuff gets downloaded then I can't retrieve it without
going into Xtree to read???? Duh... Again, thanks.
.
Now, tell me why one of the heating elements on my cooktop doesn't
get as hot as it used to?
Msg #32572 Dated 8:20:28 02-01-92 32552 <--> 32575
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HOW...
Pustulant and exactly can't be used in the same sentence.
Msg #32573 Dated 8:20:32 02-01-92 32553 <--> 32618
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: USER OF IMP!
Hmmmm, what does anomoly mean?
Msg #32574 Dated 8:20:35 02-01-92 32557 <--> 32582
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Double Boom Boom... are you sure Nathan didn't write message 32557?
Msg #32575 Dated 8:20:38 02-01-92 32559 <--> 32577
From: PETE BIRO
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: HOW...
Only Pig Blood may be let.
Msg #32576 Dated 8:20:41 02-01-92 32568 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
I will call the committee boss Monday. I have a NEW JOB... I got to
go to work NOW.... Not full time... just about half the month. It
is as Editor of a Car Magazine... called 'DRIVE'... the office is
only 7 minutes from my home so no commuting!!!!
Msg #32577 Dated 9:22:56 02-01-92 32559 <--> 32579
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: HOW...
Dear Topo,
It won't be the first time someone was tarred,feathered, skinned and
used for a throw rug by the time the week is
over. If you get any of this on the vidieoleo, would U please send me
a tape, as niether myself or probobly Hovsepian will be down there to
see you.
Scott the Balloon Dude
Msg #32578 Dated 9:26:56 02-01-92 32555 <-
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Whats the matter? Don't people read that new trade mag by the same name
(not same spelling)? If they do, then they should be familiar with the
artical posted by that keeper of deep dark magic secrets, pointing to
the uninformed, the correct and proper spellings of our precursers of
our craft. Sheash............The balloon dude 8-)
Msg #32579 Dated 11:13:14 02-01-92 32572 <--> 32615
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOW...
RE: "Pustulant and exactly can't be used in the same sentence."
NOTE: They can't even be made to serve the same sentence.
Msg #32581 Dated 11:24:56 02-01-92 32561 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
TO: Tommy Wonder
VIA: MAGIC-NL/NETHERLANDS
I think we are in basic agreement here, Tommy. The problems seldom
occur when both the patron and the artist have a bond of trust and
integrity. The problems occur when one or the other or both either
lack that bond or have a hidden agenda.
Gee, I think that is true about most of life (!), not just about
relationships between patrons and artists!
Msg #32582 Dated 11:32:31 02-01-92 32574 <--> 32612
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
No, boom-boom is the onomatopoeic replication of the sound. It makes
two booms.
Msg #32584 Dated 12:22:29 02-01-92 32540 <--> 32586
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: INTERESTING QUOTE
The exact quote is: "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the
mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science."
No, I'm not a savant. I found it in Bartlett's!
Msg #32586 Dated 12:55:47 02-01-92 32584 <--> 32592
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: INTERESTING QUOTE
Thank you, Evan! I knew I might have missed a word or two when it
scrolled by. Was that the print copy of Bartlett's? Or the CD-ROM?
Msg #32589 Dated 14:36:05 02-01-92 -> 32604
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
Yes, audiences are a lot easier to work for than a group of peers. At
least you can put it behind you now. So, I hope you knock em dead when
you work there. Working there is the easy part of it all. I guess!
Msg #32591 Dated 14:39:29 02-01-92 -> 32599
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: SYSOP
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
David:
I wonder if you could answer a question for me. Remember when I had
trouble with my B: Drive, and the CMOS stuff? Well at some point I was
operating this drive as a 1.2m drive. It is a 3.5 1.4m drive. Anyway,
now all is well - However, I have about 150 3 1/2 in diskettes formated
as 1.2m disks. They don't work in the drive anymore as it is configured
as a 1.4.
I tried Norton "Wipedisk" and copy11pc "Bulkerase", but neither
works. I'd like to format them as 1.4 so I can use them. I'd hate to
have to throw them away. Can you give me any advise?
Msg #32592 Dated 17:15:02 02-01-92 32540 <--> 32600
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: INTERESTING QUOTE
I have been quoting this from the stage for the better part of a
decade. I may not have used it in the show you saw last year, but I do
use it in about 90% of my performances.
Msg #32597 Dated 18:47:24 02-01-92
From: DENNIS PIERCE
To: TAWATERS
Re: MASTER MAGIC SET
Can you give any information on a magic set distributed by Knapp
Electric,Inc,? Cover of set lists "A collection of world famous magic
tricks.....", graphics has a devil levitating a women while two other
devils look on. It is listed as set #1. Contents include: a wooden
pull, a hooked red metal disk, a small cups and ball and a set of four
sticks to be used with a paddle move. I am interested in date of
make, and do these surface often? Inside of box has some stains due to
mold. Any help? ..........Thanks.
Msg #32599 Dated 19:29:00 02-01-92 32591 <--> 32601
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
I'm rather surprised that neither Norton Wipedisk nor CopyIIpc
Bulkerase was able to clear them. Are you by chance using DOS 5.0? If
so, it has a Format command that tries to preserve the existing format.
To override that (if you are using DOS 5.0) you need to add /U
(forward slash and the letter U) after the format command, so it would
look like:
FORMAT B: /U
If that is not the situation, aybe send me one of the diskettes and
maybe I'll see if I can somehow force it to format properly. If you do
send me one, please enclose a note reminding me to try formatting it -
I get a lot of diskettes in the mail!
Actually, I'm intrigued that you were able to format it to 1.2 in the
first place! I didn't know that could be done!
Msg #32600 Dated 19:33:28 02-01-92 32592 <--> 32694
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: INTERESTING QUOTE
In thinking back, I really can't recall whether you said it at your
show or not. But if you are performing locally again, I'll be glad to
attend again. Your show was superb entertainment, beautifully
delivered.
Msg #32601 Dated 22:06:23 02-01-92 32599 <--> 32605
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
Teakettles 3, Biro 0
.
ARgh...
.
Anybody got a brick teakettle for sale?
Msg #32602 Dated 22:45:36 02-01-92 32531 <--> 32606
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC-NL
David,
I'm trying to unravel the mystery that is DataCallPlus.
I have a booklet on it, but it fails to differentiate between
DataCallPlus and several other world-wide plans. It seems most
of the world-wide plans involve data packets. I'll let you know
as soon as I figure all this junk out.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32603 Dated 22:45:45 02-01-92 32548 <--> 32614
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FLASH
Jerry,
As you've no doubt discovered by now, we didn't make it to the
Castle tonight.
I tried to make some flash cards from Bicycle cards, but wound up
with a gelatatinous mass. I'll try various other solutions to
the problem (Pun not intended.)
I'm going to head out towards your neck of the woods to get some
more chemical maybe on Monday. I'd be happy to buy you lunch if
you're feeling socialble.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32604 Dated 22:45:55 02-01-92 32589 <--> 32652
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
Harrison,
I'm getting closer to that day when I audition to play the
Castle. I'll keep you informed.
Thanks again.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32605 Dated 22:49:17 02-01-92 32601 <--> 32631
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
You're kidding, Biro? Seriously? You did it again? You fried another
teakettle? Please do the World a favor and buy one of those tea
brewing machines, you know, like the coffeemakers? I'd really sleep
easier at night if I knew that you hadn't left a burner on.
Msg #32606 Dated 22:51:06 02-01-92 32602 <--> 32634
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC-NL
Data packets is OK, that's what makes PC-Pursuit work. The thing to
avoid is any service that requires some kind of special hardware and
lines at either end. Telenet said they could hook us up direct to the
entire global Telenet network -- for a mere $2,000 a month for their
"node" here at MAGIC! World Headquarters, and, of course, we would have
to pay for the minimum 16 dedicated lines.
Access to a packet switching network is find and dandy, if the person
in Europe or Asia can dial a local Telenet number and then somehow use
this DataCallPlus thing to connect directly to us.
Msg #32611 Dated 1:27:10 02-02-92 -> 32635
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BURNING CARDS
If I understand your desire, you want to burn a playing card and it's
okay if the card is being held back-out toward the audience. If that is
the case, just split off the face of the card -- or vice-versa. Then it
will burn.
I had a related bit in print a number of years ago, so I can assure you
this works.
Msg #32612 Dated 1:33:29 02-02-92 32582 <--> 32636
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
I know a lady named Boom-boom, does that count ?
Msg #32613 Dated 1:33:31 02-02-92 32571 <--> 32637
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMP?
Re: Cooktop heating element.
Its being inhabited by the spirits of the three teapots you have
murdered in the last year. The spirits are trying to protect number 4
Msg #32614 Dated 1:33:34 02-02-92 32603 <--> 32632
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH
I don't normally eat until later in the day, but come on by and I'll
show you some robots. Northwest corner of Brookhurst & Cerritos -
Exactly 2 miles west of Disneyland. (714) 535-8161.
Msg #32615 Dated 1:33:37 02-02-92 32559 <--> 32616
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: HOW...
Only pig blood is allowed to be let at the castle !
Msg #32616 Dated 1:33:39 02-02-92 32572 <--> 32617
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOW...
Re: Pustulant & exactly
Huh ??
Msg #32617 Dated 1:33:42 02-02-92 32575 <--> 32639
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOW...
Darn it Pete, its now 1:02 am, I just got back from the castle and
am sitting here reviewing msgs and I answered the blood letting ?
almost exactly the same as you did. I MUST be getting psychic.
.
Tonight I was showing Stan Lake my rope routine down in the Pub area
and had probably 30+ people jammed into the room. So I decided to try
out a new trick I been working on using ESP cards. It's a five card
handling Mike King showed me.
.
Just before I use the 'divining' wand to 'pick-up' the person's energ
y field I say move the cards around (the five cards are spread face
down on the table at this point, and I know the POSITION of the
thought of card). This guy does a garbage shuffle of the 5 cards AND
I HAVN'T THE FOGGIEST idea of which of the 5 he picked. Hell, I can't
stop now so I go for it, 1 out of five ! I miss the first time.
.
Now I'm really in the soup. So I say, 'I'm going to try and find your
card last' (odds now down to 1 in 4). Second card miss (odds now 1 in
3), third card miss (odds now even).
.
Bingo, fourth card a miss - I hit it ! I was more impressed than anyo
ne else in the room !
.
Now if I could only get psychic on lotto numbers.
Msg #32618 Dated 1:33:53 02-02-92 32573 <--> 32642
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: USER OF IMP!
It should have been anomaly def:Deviation from the rule, type, or
form - anything abnormal.
.
I think anomolies live in tide pools.
Msg #32619 Dated 3:22:56 02-02-92
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: ALL
Re: BOOK WANTED
Does anyone have a copy of "Revelations of a Spirit Medium" by A.
Medium for sale?
Msg #32620 Dated 4:09:04 02-02-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
MAGIC!-NL Sun 02 Feb 92 02:47
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
Shhhh!!! They don't know yet!
.
I'll let you know how things go as I learn the language here.
.
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Msg #32621 Dated 4:09:10 02-02-92 -> 32643
From: ANAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE
MAGIC!-NL Sun 02 Feb 92 03:12
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
So what's going on with this magic restaurant in San
Francisco?!!! That seems to be the absolute death of any good
spot there! Case in point: That corner opposite the Buena Vista
on Hyde and Beach (it's now making money hand over fist as TGI
Friday's) -- it used to be part of the Eli McFly's chain (which
is making money hand over fist in Santa Monica).
.
I think a good part of it has to do with who's controlling the
talent for the place (speaking of which . . . ).
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Msg #32622 Dated 4:09:17 02-02-92 -> 32742
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
MAGIC!-NL Sun 02 Feb 92 02:07
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Sometimes I am quite amazed too at what our dutch government
gives money to, but then, I am not to judge on that. I prefer
that money is spend on art and culture, because if that would not
be done, in the end we might find ourselves to be much poorer
than we would
wish. If chances are not taken, then there will not be so much
opportunity for the good things to emerge. Not everything will
turn out to be of value, but that does not matter. Not all what I
do
myself turns out to be of value either, but that does not prevent
me from trying, most things I try turn out to be of no value! But
if that stopped me from trying, well......
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Msg #32623 Dated 4:09:25 02-02-92 -> 32648
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
MAGIC!-NL Sun 02 Feb 92 02:33
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
Yeah, I know, I know! But I'll probably be in touch with you
guys as much (or more) as I was when I was in the Bay Area.
Considering Business trips and all, I might even end up in LA
more often now
than when I lived in California!!!
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Msg #32624 Dated 4:09:31 02-02-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
MAGIC!-NL Sun 02 Feb 92 02:39
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
I have an agreement with Shiro -- If I don't find a good sushi
barhere, I'll find a good location for him here (good - adv -
close in proximity to Lynn Healy).
.
So far, nothing has broken. As far as the stuff in the container
-- I don't think anything will break judging by the way it was
packed -- even all the furniture was wrapped in several layers of
paper!
.
I think Fanny's been to Saffron (the sushi place) -- don't
forget, if you want to get service make sure you sit at the bar
-- you could starve to death if you sit at a table!
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Msg #32625 Dated 4:09:39 02-02-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONGRATULATIONS
MAGIC!-NL Sun 02 Feb 92 02:42
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
Now that you have a "real" job, does that mean you'll have to get
dressed before you sit down at your computer in the morning? .
What's your definition of "good"?
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Msg #32626 Dated 4:32:49 02-02-92 -> 32649
From: DOUG SMITH
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
When D C takes his show on the road to the hinterlands, like Illinois,
will the show include his new levitation?
Msg #32627 Dated 4:34:14 02-02-92 -> 32661
From: DOUG SMITH
To: ALL
Re: IMPOSSIBLE MAGIC
With all the fine comments about D, C, 's levitation, is there magic
effects that are continued impossible? For instance, a zombie where
the object is soft ball size ball of fire? instead of a dancing
handerchief..a dancing ball of fire? just wondering?
Msg #32631 Dated 9:03:19 02-02-92 32599 <--> 32633
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
Teakettles 3, Biro 0
.
ARgh...
.
Anybody got a brick teakettle for sale?
Msg #32632 Dated 9:03:26 02-02-92 32603 <--> 32638
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH
Flash cards have yet to be made (to my knowledge) and I am sure the
experts have tried... My guess is you will have to print cards that
are an a thinner, single layer paper, to eliminate the glue within
cards. The glue could be what it killing you.
Msg #32633 Dated 9:03:32 02-02-92 32605 <--> 32651
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
I plan to NUKE the water for awhile... then I think I will get one
of the electrick kettles as they use in England, with a thermostatic
switch... or check out the stuff in Price Club, etc. for an auto
maker... Ford, Buick? No... auto water heater... argh...
.
I should have kept the other two, wooda made a great replacement
sculpture for the PIG!
Msg #32634 Dated 9:03:41 02-02-92 32606 <--> 32657
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC-NL
We ould go back to the postal system? And mail Chain Letters....
.
I need one bit of info... if I want to use EMail (on Compuserve)
where do you put the stamps ?
Msg #32635 Dated 9:03:47 02-02-92 32611 <--> 32767
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BURNING CARDS
Aha... I knew Max had an answer... that makes sense... you get rid
of the glue and the thickness and have what LOOKS like the card!
.
Good solution, El Maven!!!
Msg #32636 Dated 9:03:52 02-02-92 32612 <--> 32647
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
It counts for 2!
Msg #32637 Dated 9:03:56 02-02-92 32613 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: IMP?
You are probably right... argh... well, I guess I can stop heating
the crystals!!!
Msg #32638 Dated 9:04:00 02-02-92 32614 <--> 32741
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FLASH
Did you see the CNN story on the entire building NASA has just
opened DEDICATED to robotics! Boy, talk about some great toys!
.
Maybe they will develop a robot to turn off my teakettle burners!
Msg #32639 Dated 9:04:06 02-02-92 32616 <--> 32640
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HOW...
Isn't it impossible to be EXACTLY PUSTULANT?
Msg #32640 Dated 9:04:09 02-02-92 32617 <--> 32641
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HOW...
YOU HAVE DISCOVRED THE GELLER MODUS OPERANDI. If you miss its OK.
Msg #32641 Dated 9:04:12 02-02-92 32617 <--> 32691
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: HOW...
Re: Lotto... use same method. Pick all the numbers except the last
6?
Msg #32642 Dated 9:04:16 02-02-92 32618 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: USER OF IMP!
Tide? Not Oxydol?
Msg #32643 Dated 9:04:19 02-02-92 32621 <--> 32644
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MESSAGE
I heard that the Hotel? in San Francisco was talking of going
bigger into magic. But not sure what the deal is... added some
illusions??? Never been there... (That was your job)...
.
TG Fridys. Not been to that one, but the ones I have are successful
because of the LAYOUT, STYLE, SERVICE, FOOD, AMBIANCE... I don't
think the MAGIC per se is what makes or breaks a place... the
SERVICE and FOOD must be TOPS... and Location, location, location
are also the 3 things to keep in mind.
.
The "?" project I am working on has moved another step forward.
.
Stay tuned...
Msg #32644 Dated 9:04:34 02-02-92 32621 <--> 32645
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MESSAGE
I am sennding 2nd reply. I may have misunderstood your message 32621.
Were you asking about the Hotel (Bed & Brkfst) or something else?
.
Jade has returned, called and wants to look at real estate to buy
a house... cannot decide on area, as budget will dictate, I am sure.
One plan is that he, Koch and a 3rd party found a 3 level bldg.
somewhere and might each buy 1/3rd?
.
Stay tuned...
Msg #32645 Dated 9:04:44 02-02-92 32621 <--> 32681
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Saw Michael Finney on 2 different Cable shows yesterday...
and when in LA last week saw his name on a marquee (on Hollywood
Blvd., but not the Comedy Store) -- wuz in a rush and didn't get
the name of the club...
Msg #32647 Dated 10:09:41 02-02-92 32612 <--> 32768
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
RE: I know a lady named Boom-Boom, does that count?
Sure! Just remember, it's 10B.
Msg #32648 Dated 10:15:18 02-02-92 32623 <--> 32667
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
TO: Lynn Healy
VIA: MAGIC-NL/NETHERLANDS
The World's magic community already owes a debt to Arnaud for the
wonderful work he does in moving messages around. And having you
connected to MAGIC! via MAGIC-NL only increases that debt.
If you are heading for L.A., let us know!
Msg #32649 Dated 10:17:48 02-02-92 32626 <--> 32654
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
The ability to do the flying depends, in part, upon the venue. I
believe that he tries to fly everywhere that it is possible. I'm going
to try to post his schedule soon.
Msg #32651 Dated 11:35:19 02-02-92 32599 <--> 32655
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
David:
Yes, I'm using DOS 5.0. I'll try using the /u. Many thanks for your
help. It would be a pity to have to throw all those disks away.
Msg #32652 Dated 11:36:27 02-02-92 32604 <--> 32745
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
Kevin:
I'm confused. I thought you already did the audition. No?
Msg #32654 Dated 11:36:42 02-02-92 32649 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I don't know some of the distances in your part of the country, but
David Copperfield is currently scheduled to be in Indianapolis, In. on
Feb. 13th (Clowes Hall) and in someplace called Merrillvile (Star Plaza
Theater) Feb. 14th through 16th. In March, he is in W. Lafayette, In.,
La Cross, Wi., Rockford, and Cincinnati along with a bunch of other
places around the country.
Msg #32655 Dated 11:42:06 02-02-92 32633 <--> 32656
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
Nuking the water is probably best - the waver shuts itself off! I have
found my cup still in it a day or so later, but at least it is safe!
Msg #32656 Dated 11:42:57 02-02-92 32651 <--> 32668
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
OK, let me know what happens. And if the results are still negative,
send me a sample and I will try to find a way to rescue the disks. I'm
pretty sure they don't need to be thrown away.
Msg #32657 Dated 11:44:20 02-02-92 32634 <--> 32669
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC-NL
E-Mail on CompuServe automatically attaches the stamps to your credit
card. I think Prodigy gives you 25 free letters a month.
Msg #32661 Dated 14:29:06 02-02-92 32627 <--> 32662
From: T A WATERS
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE MAGIC
There have been dancing balls of fire for some time now; when I was a
kid I remember seeing Dr. Carlo do a floating flame from the spout of
an Aladdin's lamp -- and there have been others. Carlo is noted (I
might mention and do) as the inventor of the rubber dove -- and also a
superb glass production.
Msg #32662 Dated 15:41:49 02-02-92 32661 <--> 32663
From: DOUG SMITH
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE MAGIC
Thanks david. DC will be only 15 minutres from my home in March. I
was hoping he would do the flying bit. Otherwise within two weeks
after his local show he will be on TV. My decision to go would be
based on the flying effect.
Msg #32663 Dated 15:44:22 02-02-92 32661 <--> 32670
From: DOUG SMITH
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE MAGIC
Thnaks for the information. It must be great to have seen many of the
unique shows. That is one reason we enjoyed in Baltimore the Ed
Sullivan bunch and keep looking forward to the large conventions. Of
course the trips to LV always include at least three shows with
magicians. I would wish that PBS would rerun the series that was about
15 years ago where acts were rebroadcast. I believe it was PBS.
Thanks for the reply.
Msg #32667 Dated 18:42:32 02-02-92 32648 <--> 32697
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
Hey, David, Lynn hasn't even unpacked yet!
Msg #32668 Dated 18:42:35 02-02-92 32655 <--> 32698
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
My cupeth runeth overeth... argh... yep, the timer is goooooood.
But what the hey... one less item on the stove ain't bad. Now got
to go in and tear up the chicken I boiled last night! Makin some
suuup to get rid of mine cold! ARgh. cough, hack, splurt, ugh...foo
Msg #32669 Dated 18:42:41 02-02-92 32657 <--> 32699
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC-NL
I just got a check in the mail that was sent to where I used to
live a year ago... GAD IT HAS BEEN A YEAR... Got to cut the lawn...
Anyway... Tomorrow this kid goes to work! ARgh... film at 11
Msg #32670 Dated 18:42:46 02-02-92 32661 <--> 32671
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE MAGIC
I had Carlo's Ball of Fire some time ago... he is one of Charles
Reynolds' heroes... and a clever magician that few know about.
Msg #32671 Dated 18:42:50 02-02-92 32662 <--> 32695
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE MAGIC
Go see him flying or not... there is nothing quite like the current
LIVE performing of DC... in the old days would you have skipped
seeing Keller if he didn't do the flying? He did you know!!!
Msg #32672 Dated 18:42:57 02-02-92
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: OOOOPS
OOOOPs just re-sent some old messages... sorry fun seekers... duh....
IMPed again! Got to rG
e
error? foo goodybye...
Msg #32674 Dated 20:17:21 02-02-92 -> 32675
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Thanks Pete for the information on the Holster and the business
cards. Someone later gave me some information. See later message.
Msg #32675 Dated 20:17:28 02-02-92 -> 32676
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Thanks for the information on the wallets. Someone had a card in
envelope with an insurance policy - no wallet needed. Forget
who's idea this was. The policy was in a plastic folder which
was the feeder.
Msg #32676 Dated 20:17:37 02-02-92 -> 32677
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Max - can I _give_ everything away to a friend? I know I can't
republish everything. Can I publish my adaptation using new moves
or ideas?
Msg #32677 Dated 20:17:45 02-02-92 -> 32708
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Don't know why anyone would use a plastic wallet for any
professional use. Scarne used a regular hip pocket wallet with
rubber bands around it. Marlo had variations of this in print
which used a coin to hold the wallet open.
Msg #32678 Dated 20:17:53 02-02-92 32514 <--> 32751
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CONGRATULATIONS
Congratulations on the new job. Is this magazine available on the
stands?
Msg #32679 Dated 20:18:00 02-02-92 32566 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Tommy - You have obviously not performed table hopping or walk-
around in a room with a live Rock Band blasting at the same time.
I have performed in this type of venue many times. Also, tho
Eddie Tullock does unamplified, a speaker system is almost
mandatory in a trade show situation.
.
I'd rather be heard and seem unnatural. After the first minute at
his lecture, Darwin did not seem unnatural.
Msg #32680 Dated 20:18:12 02-02-92 32567 <--> 32737
From: CY KELLER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Thanks for the information on the wallet and the business cards.
I understand that some cards are printed in a different language
on each side. True?
Msg #32681 Dated 20:18:19 02-02-92 32645 <--> 32753
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Saw Michael Finney on Cable. Had never seen him before and was
impressed by the presentation of the rope trick. Very smooth and
very funny. Often wonder why the pro's have uneven loops at the
bottom when the center is brought to thetop. Slydini has a
method where the loops are even. Looks much better. I guess they
don't have the book.
Msg #32682 Dated 20:38:59 02-02-92 -> 34517
From: DOC EASON
To: DANTE LARSEN (X)
Re: I'M FLYING INTO LA ON WED
Yes I did get the butler cartoons...sorry that I didn't respond
sooner..Next time thru LA i'll call
Msg #32683 Dated 20:38:36 02-02-92 -> 32700
From: GREGO WILMOTH
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HOUDINI
Well I live in Reno and would like to put to rest the IBM mystery of
who the H__ is this guy? He isn't a decendant at all. But a two-bit
escape buff. I have seen him perform a few years ago where two people
from the audience had bound him with ropes. Well to make a long story
short, they had to untie him. Kinda makes you wonder, huh? I have seen
his driver's license. It appears that he had it changed about five
years ago. I must say that he has a real nice collection of escape
stuff and memorabilia though. Maybe there should be a law.
Msg #32684 Dated 20:47:39 02-02-92 -> 32687
From: DOC EASON
To: ALL
Re: BACK HOME IN ASPEN
Have arrived home from Houston Auto Show and 10 long days touting the
virtues of Honda...hardly realized that i would be entering a hot
political arena...No real problems in H but in other cities (like
Detroit) some bashing of the cars did take place...I hardly think that
breaking the mirror off a Japanese car will make American workers any
less lazy or more
literate
ess lazy or".
Luckily I encountered little of that sentiment. Worked with Detriot
based Jeff Warzak( That's not how you spell his name but ya pronounce
it) The boys in H are alive and well...missed the roundtable but did
cconnect with quite a few. Bob sheets is currently at the Tower for a
special appearance and he's knockin' em dead. Nice to be back on the
board.
Msg #32685 Dated 20:57:43 02-02-92 -> 32746
From: DOC EASON
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
so how do i go about getting some flash bills?
Msg #32687 Dated 21:39:11 02-02-92 32684 <--> 32701
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DOC EASO (X)
Re: BACK HOME IN ASPEN
Have you been able to upload a message instead of typing itdirect yet?
Msg #32691 Dated 22:24:25 02-02-92 32532 <--> 32766
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: HOW...
Just have it tattooed on the inside of your eyelids...then, all you
have to do is look up!
Don't know if my madcap luncheon group is meeting on that Friday...I'll
check the schedule and letcha know. One way or another, look forward
to seeing you that week.
'W.
Msg #32694 Dated 22:54:01 02-02-92 32586 <--> 32704
From: EVAN KATZ
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: INTERESTING QUOTE
Print copy of Bartlett's. To use the CD-ROM version you must own a
CD-ROM player. I don't because if my _music_ CD habit is any example,
I will buy dozens of CD-ROM disks on impulse that I rarely use yet that
I am certain at point-of-purchase I _must_ have. And a CD-ROM disk is
a heck of a lot more expensive than the newest U2 album.
Msg #32695 Dated 22:55:44 02-02-92 32662 <--> 32706
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE MAGIC
Somehow, Doug, you sent a message which I think you meant to address to
me to T A Waters. Although many people have commented on how much
alike the two of us do look, we are quite distinct individuals. I
agree with Pete that the live show is worth seeing, flying or no
flying, but if you will let me know which date and location you would
be closest to, I'll see if I can find out if he plans to fly.
Msg #32697 Dated 22:58:58 02-02-92 32667 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
RE: Hey, David, Lynn hasn't even unpacked yet!
Best time for her to travel, Pete! I figure this way she already has
her clothes packed.
Msg #32698 Dated 23:00:20 02-02-92 32668 <--> 32715
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
Gee, I had chicken for dinner tonite too! We were at Marie Calendar's
and had their (and this is THEIR name for it, not mine!) "Charlie Chan
Chicken Pie." Chicken Pot Pie with pea pods, water chestnuts and
almonds (yeah, these guys are just waitin' for a lawsuit!) in it. It
was really quite good!
Msg #32699 Dated 23:02:11 02-02-92 32669 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC-NL
Glad to hear that the check showed up, even if they did send it to your
old address. Good luck at work in the ayem.
Msg #32700 Dated 23:04:00 02-02-92 32683 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GREGO WILMOTH (X)
Re: HOUDINI
Looks like you are catching up with the message base, Grego! Thanks
for your view on the Houdini guy.
Msg #32701 Dated 23:05:20 02-02-92 32684 <--> 32716
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: BACK HOME IN ASPEN
Glad to have you back on MAGIC!, Doc! We've missed you around here.
Please give regards to Sheets, I haven't seen him since IBM in
Baltimore.
Msg #32704 Dated 23:12:33 02-02-92 32694 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: INTERESTING QUOTE
I know what you mean about purchasing CD's, tapes, laserdiscs, etc. It
can get to be habit forming! Gee, I didn't mention books!
Msg #32706 Dated 23:20:47 02-02-92 32695 <--> 32707
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE MAGIC
The people who think we look alike are inviting a libel action --
possibly TWO libel actions.
Msg #32707 Dated 23:26:17 02-02-92 32706 <--> 32754
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE MAGIC
Possibly THREE libel actions - we might decided to sue them jointly and
separately!
Msg #32708 Dated 23:39:52 02-02-92 32676 <--> 32738
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
I think the ground rules for publishing adaptations are fairly well
established. In general, it's legitimate to publish a variation on
someone else's work if three criteria are met:
1) You have actually added something new.
2) You provide proper credit information.
3) By publishing your version you won't be killing sales of the
first guy.
Certainly the first two of these are easy to determine. The third does
sometimes move into a gray area where a udgment call is necessary, but
not all that often.
Msg #32710 Dated 0:23:48 02-03-92
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FIRST MCCM PHOTO!
Jim Sisti has uploaded a photo from the Music City Conclave! The photo
is of the Symposium Panel (From L. to R.: Pete Biro, Max Maven, Mike
Close, Ray Mertz, Jim Sisti, and Tim Wenk).
It is in the MAGIC! Files as MCCM-PCX.ZIP.
THANKS, JIM!
Msg #32715 Dated 9:25:31 02-03-92 32656 <--> 32717
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
David:
Thanks... It looks like I'll be sending you one. The u switch didn't
work. Thanks for your help
Msg #32716 Dated 9:26:54 02-03-92 32684 <--> 32804
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: BACK HOME IN ASPEN
Doc:
Just read an article that it's virtually impossible to buy anything
truly made in america. Certainly not an automobile. Hope you had a good
show.
Msg #32717 Dated 9:53:51 02-03-92 32715 <--> 32755
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
Odd, most odd. I'll take a look at the diskette when it arrives.
Msg #32719 Dated 9:56:44 02-03-92
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MESSAGE ROUTING
I've noticed that a number of people have left messages for MAGIC-NL
members. Because all messages for people on MAGIC-NL have to go to
Arnaud, it might help him if you included a TO: statement WITHIN your
message. For example:
TO: TOMMY WONDER
VIA: MAGIC-NL/NETHERLANDS
Thanks.
Msg #32720 Dated 10:50:38 02-03-92 -> 32729
From: WAYNE POWERS
To: ALL
Re: A WORD...
A WORD TO THE WISE....
...Dan Piraro's BIZARRO cartoon is always worth checking out, but
today's masterpiece will be particularly worthwhile viewing for MAGIC!
members. You'll find it on the comics page of today's L.A.TIMES or,
hopefully, somewhere in a newspaper near you.
'W.
Msg #32729 Dated 19:28:27 02-03-92 32720 <--> 32735
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: A WORD...
Could this be the same magician who _really_ sawed (!) his assistant in
half? Does anybody remember tis from the Enquire?
Msg #32735 Dated 20:04:34 02-03-92 32720 <--> 32756
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: A WORD...
Based on your recommendation, I got a copy of the L.A. Times and
checked out Bizarro. Man, were you ever right! That's the guy who
hired me for my present job!!! Thanks!
Msg #32736 Dated 20:48:35 02-03-92 32562 <--> 32889
From: CY KELLER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
.
TO: TOMMY WONDER
VIA: MAGIC-NL/NETHERLANDS
.
Tommy - I agree with you, but there is a problem in USA. There is
an aquisitive society which says that persons who buys some-
thing, own it and can do whatever they like with it. I believe
some artists have gone to court to defend their rights as
creators. It is an interesting problem. The owners, of course,
are morons.
Msg #32737 Dated 20:48:49 02-03-92 32567 <--> 32752
From: CY KELLER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BINARELLI
.
TO: TOMMY WONDER
VIA: MAGIC-NL/NETHERLANDS
.
Thanks for the information on the wallets. I think there are
wallets in our luggage stores to protect against pick-pockets.
Will have to check.
.
Your dimensions of 6 X 10 cm seems to be smaller than what is
described in the Binarelli book. OK I'll use this as a start but
want to look further.
Msg #32738 Dated 20:49:05 02-03-92 32708 <--> 32749
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Max - I hope I'n not beating a dead horse. You speak of
publishing varations. I assume you are speaking of a book in this
case. Some people think using a red deck instead of a blue is a
variatin. This is of course nonsense. Many variations are this
slight however. If you use postcards instead of playing cards, is
this a variation? If the idea is in print, as opposed to a dealer
item, do you have to get permission from the originator?
.
E.G. I had a item in Hugard's Magic Monthly - CK Vanish - a
vanish of a small object in a handkerchief. Christopher used the
item in a book of items from Hugard's with credit but no
permission. OK? It was later printed in a book for laymen with not
credit or permission. Not OK?
.
From the above and the following you can see this is not an
abstract problem for me..
I have items in my lecture created by people who are dead. Am I
OK is using them without permission? Some ideas have been
published and some not.
.
Am I killing a sale if I publish an item from a book as opposed
to a dealer item?
.
I guess part of the problem is when does an idea become public
domain. It would be good if Alex Elmsley got money for all the
uses of the Count. But then what of the people whose ideas he
built upon such as Farelli and Jordan? To use the count does
everyone have to buy the original Ghost Count published by Magic
Inc.?
.
I think this a knottier problem in ethics than your reply would
indicate.
.
I admire you writings and ideas, and i'm sure you performance -
if I saw it, so this is a request to a real maven (no
perjorative). Thanks for listening.
Msg #32741 Dated 22:39:01 02-03-92 32614 <--> 32744
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FLASH
Jerry,
Thank you for the hospitality today.
I enjoyed the company.
I'll let you know about the papers. It takes 24 hours for a new
batch of solution to be ready.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32742 Dated 22:39:10 02-03-92 32622 <--> 32759
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Arnaud,
Please forward to Tommy Wonder.
Tommy,
Again let me emphasize how mixed my feelings are on government
support of the arts. I can't in any sense be upset with it when
I consider the incredibly small percentage of the federal budget
spent on the arts.
I believe, however, that we started this discussion about what a
taxpayer can, ethically, expect from an artist who has accepted
government grants. After some thought, I've decided (isn't that
nice of me?) that unless the government put some sort of
restriction on the artist as a condition of the money, than no
complaints can be justified.
Any complaintants should petition the government to place limits
on artists receiving government money.
In this day and age it is almost impossible to NOT offend
SOMEONE.
It is situations like these that remind me why our U.S.
forefathers did NOT set up this government as a democracy. There
are times when the majority is not correct. Even if the Moral
Majority were indeed a majority, they would have no right to
inflict their views of morality on me.
I guess I'm just getting cynical in my old age.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32744 Dated 22:39:37 02-03-92 32632 <--> 32760
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH
Pete,
I don't know if glue alone is the answer to what caused my
problems. I half expected to go out and see bubbled finishes.
To find that the cards had disolved into a amorphous blob
surprized me.
I'm going to try some glossy paper next and see what I can see.
Experimenting is half the fun.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32745 Dated 22:39:46 02-03-92 32652 <--> 33012
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
Harrison,
Yes, I auditioned successfully, but only for membership into the
Castle. I will (I hope) be ready to audition for performing
within the next month or so.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32746 Dated 22:39:54 02-03-92 32685 <--> 32747
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Doc,
Getting flash bills epends on what you want. If you want
genuine U.S. currency that will burn brightly without leaving an
ash, just say the word, and give an address. I'll send you some.
(I still have to send some to David, I left my last three as a
tip accidently.)
If you want bills that look similar, and burn just like flash
paper, wait until I contact Pete's friend who does printing.
I'll get him to print me up some bills on thinner stock, and
maybe on one side only.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32747 Dated 23:00:35 02-03-92 32746 <--> 32761
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Ah! So _that_ is what happened to the bills you were going to send me!
Sure hope that the server who gottem doesn't smoke!
Msg #32749 Dated 0:04:33 02-04-92 32675 <--> 32750
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Martin Lewis, as I recall, marketed that version through Magic Inc.
That was a period when Martin, myself and a couple of others were
all very active and working at the Magic Cellar in San Francisco.
Msg #32750 Dated 0:04:38 02-04-92 32676 <--> 32758
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Didn't Earl Nelson do that with a book titled, "Variations"?
Msg #32751 Dated 0:04:41 02-04-92 32678 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CONGRATULATIONS
It is West Coast only and is a FREE tabloid-sized publication found
in waiting rooms, etc. of shops, auto dealerships, and car shows,
swap meets, etc. Not my cup of tea... but the plan is to upgrade
it (that's why they hired me! Hah!)... we'll see.
.
Mainly took the job to avoid Chapter 11 (the salary will just cover
my "alimony" argh to the max...imum...)!
Msg #32752 Dated 0:04:49 02-04-92 32680 <--> 32757
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER X)
Re: BINARELLI
The Japanese print their cards with their own language on one side
and English on the other.
Msg #32753 Dated 0:04:53 02-04-92 32681 <--> 32884
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: MESSAGE
I think the laymen don't noticed uneven loops... I have a handling
that fixes that... not unlike Slydini's but in my Humble Opinion
more natural looking. Will be in book II.
Msg #32754 Dated 0:04:58 02-04-92 32695 <--> 32762
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE MAGIC
That is how David gets from show to show... flying inside his
luxury bus...
Msg #32755 Dated 0:05:01 02-04-92 32698 <--> 32763
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
I love it... Charlie Chan Chicken Pie... I irks me when you can't
do stuff like that... Indians wanting Atlanta to quit using "Braves"
and the restaurant chain that folded "Sambo's"... If people would
quit thinking INSULT and be glad they are remembered... oh well,
that's another subjecto!
Msg #32756 Dated 0:05:08 02-04-92 32735 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: A WORD...
Good luck Dude... ahrchezoooom
Msg #32757 Dated 0:05:11 02-04-92 32737 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
You will find "grouch bags" that are used to keep money... these
are hung around the neck and hang in front of you in the cavity
of your chest... they have become very common with travellers.
Msg #32758 Dated 0:05:16 02-04-92 32738 <--> 32883
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
I would have hoped, for example, Karson got a buck every time a
Zombie was sold. Or Sam Svengali, every time a Svengali deck was
sold... or Peter Kane every time a Wild Card was sold... but no
luck... Ken Brooke tried that kind of procedure and it literally
killed him worrying about rip off artists!
.
It is such a tough area to figure. Look at Jerry Andrus' Linking
Pins... dealers buy a few then find a maker and take Jerry's own
original instruction sheets to a printer and... on and on...
.
All you can do is to DO WHAT YOU THINK CORRECT and if you are a
reasonable dude, and sleep well nights you are probably OK.
.
I think Christopher was wrong using your material without a call to
the copyright holder. (I am currently going crazy tracking down
people for permission to re-print various bits for my Enclyclopedia
fo Linking Rings)... ad infinitum e plurubus foooey...
Msg #32759 Dated 0:05:33 02-04-92 32742 <--> 32764
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
You should have read the BIG STINK about Grants to photographers
in the arts and the censorship battles, etc... and I don't want to
get started here... but... argh...
.
Actually I really don't think the Fed. Govt. SHOULD be in this
area... it should be via Private Sector... but most will disagree
with me, but that's ok.
Msg #32760 Dated 0:05:41 02-04-92 32744 <--> 32772
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH
Have you tried Max's suggestion of splitting the cards?
Msg #32761 Dated 0:05:44 02-04-92 32747 <--> 32765
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
I can see the kitchen now... Dudesets down his tip tray near the
stove... comes back and is gone!!! Up in smoke.
.
I guess you may not have heard the great anecdote about Joe Berg's
magic shop. Maven will correct me if I am wrong about the actual
people involved, but the story is great.
.
Berg had just made a huge batch of flash paper and had the pieces
laid out all over his shop. On counter tops, etc. and was in the
back room.
.
Either Dorny or Crandall came in with the ever present cigar. And
accidentally lit it all... Pooof... gone....
Berg came in to see who was there and looked down, and there was no
jflash G
paper no where... he said, "What Happened to the Flash Paper?" and
the man (dorny or crandall) replied.... "What Flash Paper?"
(sorry tuypos here.... but upload went nuts and had to type this online
in a rush... gnite... argh...
Msg #32762 Dated 0:14:09 02-04-92 32754 <--> 32788
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE MAGIC
Nah, David (C.) doesn't fly inside the bus -- he rides the Harley up
and down the aisle.
Msg #32763 Dated 0:15:44 02-04-92 32755 <--> 32789
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
There are also some reverse twists on ethnic origins, etc. Stella
D'Oro italian baked goods are also strictly kosher, which, among some
Othodox New York Jews gave rise to the assumption that it was a Jewish
company owned by two sisters - Stella and Dora.
Msg #32764 Dated 0:18:15 02-04-92 32759 <--> 32790
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
In addition to the other problems, government as a sponsor means
artificial support for some arts and little or no support for others.
If opera is being kept artificially alive by government sponsorship,
why aren't vaudeville and the variety arts?
Msg #32765 Dated 0:19:55 02-04-92 32761 <--> 32805
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Yep, I've heard about the Berg flash. I assume that you also know that
many of those who run shady operations keep their books on flash paper
(or did before the advent of computers and flash disks). Government
raid -- one match or cigarette -- no evidence.
Msg #32766 Dated 0:44:58 02-04-92 32691 <--> 32773
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: HOW...
'W
Can't tattoo the address to the inside of my eyelids, I currently have
thenew movie guidelines issued by Cardinal Mahony there. They make the
Hays Code look like reading Dr. Seuss.
Next week plan on having a retrospective of Diane Arbus photo's
tattooed there...considering the Georgia O'Keefe show was a success. In
the future planning on having Mildred Pierce, Tropic of Cancer and
Atlas Shrugged in repretory (sp?) appear inside alternating eyelids and
having the Compleat James Joyce done on the inside of my
thighs...yup...Cape Fear (or Cape Freak) all over again.
Tony (aka Snappy the Squid Boy)
Msg #32767 Dated 0:54:50 02-04-92 32611 <--> 34148
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BURNING CARDS
Thanks for the tip on the split card for burning, I'll try it out.
.
Did modesty prevent you from using Phil/Max as one of the famous
duos in your Genii card effect ? I prefer Phil/Max to Sam/Dave -
who are they anyway ?
Msg #32768 Dated 0:54:53 02-04-92 32636 <--> 32769
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Yea you should have seen em', not as large as the pic you faxed me
but rather large.
Msg #32769 Dated 0:54:56 02-04-92 32647 <--> 32770
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Actually they were more like 42DD.
Msg #32770 Dated 0:58:30 02-04-92 32647 <--> 32782
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Actually they were more like 42DD.
Msg #32772 Dated 0:58:33 02-04-92 32638 <--> 32793
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH
Where is the NASA Robotics building located, i.e. what state ?
Msg #32773 Dated 0:58:34 02-04-92 32639 <--> 32774
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOW...
I was using 'exactly' like in 'what exactly do you mean' as opposed
to 'it was exactly two inches long'. I looked up pustulant and wished
I hadn't - eccch !
Msg #32774 Dated 0:58:36 02-04-92 32640 <--> 36014
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HOW...
But in this case I DIDN'T MISS, I eliminated ALL the cards EXCEPT
his - I'm not sure I'll ever be able to do again, but it sure got
me out of a tough spot.
.
Doing psychic type stuff does have the GELLER OUT available, whereas
straight magic does not. After all psychic phenomena isn't 100 %
reliable, it's more probabilistic.
Msg #32775 Dated 1:29:47 02-04-92 -> 32783
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: ALL
Re: JONATHAN COOKE
Received word from Leo Haglund, Secretary, SAM Assembly 59 in Portland,
Or., that JONATHAN COOKE, 35 year member of S.A.M. and Past President
of Hollywood Calif Assembly has been hospitalized in Portland for
surgery (leg amputation) and should have been released to be
transferred home by this time (or within the next few days).
Leo suggested that any cards, local magic newsletters, old lecture
notes, etc. would help cheer Cooke during what is expected to be a
considerable period of bed confinement. Address is JONATHAN E. COOKE,
18444 S. W. Tualata, Lake Oswego, OREGON 97035.
Msg #32776 Dated 1:40:32 02-04-92 -> 32784
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: ALL
Re: NEW DEAN OF S.A.M.
At meeting over the weekend, the National Council of the Society of
American Magicians unanimously elected JAY MARSHALL as the new Dean of
the organization. It is anticipated that a formal presentation will be
made at the SAM convention in July...however Jay is booked for IBM
convention so will have to work it out for him to come from SLC to
Indianapolisis where SAM Convention is being held.
Msg #32777 Dated 1:53:15 02-04-92 -> 32786
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: ALL
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
Following is quoted from recently published article on appearance at
SYM meeting in Stamford, Ct.: "IF YOU SEE A GOOD ROUTINE, TRICK OR
PATTER LINE, STEAL IT. JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU STEAL FROM THE BEST.
CHANGING A TRICK TO PERSONALIZE IT IS RISKY; IT MIGHT GET WATERED
DOWN."
I wonder what David C., Max, Lance Burton, or other performers
would say to this advice, especially if they had paid hih dollars to
some writer for the material?
The "advice" is attributed to Bob Elliott, director of the Tannen
Magic Camp. I certainly hope that the so called "advice" was not
intended to be taken seriously by the kids, but unfortunately it was,
and now has been published and distributed to about 1400 young people.
Msg #32782 Dated 7:16:15 02-04-92 32769 <--> 32792
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
You must have liked your line about 42DD -- you sent it to me twice.
Msg #32783 Dated 7:18:14 02-04-92 32775 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: JONATHAN COOKE
Thanks for the information on Jonathan Cooke (18444 S. W. Tulalat, Lake
Oswego, Oregon 97035). Sorry to hear about his leg amputation.
Perhaps a few of our MAGIC! members will drop him a card or a letter.
Msg #32784 Dated 7:20:19 02-04-92 32776 <--> 32794
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: NEW DEAN OF S.A.M.
That's great about Jay Marshall! But you should also have a trophy for
Lefty -- after all, Lefty's been with Jay since the very beginning. A
small charm bracelet might be appropriate for Lefty.
Msg #32786 Dated 7:58:58 02-04-92 32777 <--> 32795
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
I don't think the "advise", which is being attributed to Mr. Elliot, is
new. this technique has been used for years by comics. I, not knowing
what was intended, believe that what probally was meant was that study
the "masters" and learn from what they do. Take the presentation and
effect and try and produce a simular effect with "your" own style. Not
so many years ago I had lunch with Mlton Berle who told me "If you
hear a good joke, steal it, and then make it yours." Meaning tell the
joke, because it's funny, but make sure your delivery is "yours".
People new to magic may not be able to do this. But they have to start
somewhere and as they grow they hopefully will develop as performers,
finding their own way of entertaining. I think the hardest lesson is
to find your right style. Nothing "sticks-out" more than someone who
looks like Lance B. performing in the style of Doug Henning or someone
dressed ala Doug Henning trying to act like S and R. Study the greats
both past and present, but BE ORIGINAL in your presentation.
Msg #32788 Dated 8:26:25 02-04-92 32762 <--> 32963
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE MAGIC
And you can't see him, or the Harley... The guy that designed the
Vincent Motorcycle died (88, in Australia)... FYI
Msg #32789 Dated 8:26:29 02-04-92 32763 <--> 32800
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
It was two guys named Stella and Dora.
Msg #32790 Dated 8:26:32 02-04-92 32764 <--> 32791
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
I know the gambling lecture fake guys "say that is so" but have
you tried to write on flash paper??????????????????????????????
Msg #32791 Dated 8:26:35 02-04-92 32764 <--> 32801
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
And lousy magic shows...???
Msg #32792 Dated 8:26:38 02-04-92 32768 <--> 32837
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, from silicone valley? Where the NASA bldg is.
Msg #32793 Dated 8:26:41 02-04-92 32772 <--> 32827
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FLASH
See earlier msg. Near San Jose, Calif... uh,,, oh,,, Mt. View, CA.
Was on cable tv couple of times other day. toys r them!
Msg #32794 Dated 8:26:45 02-04-92 32776 <--> 32797
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: NEW DEAN OF S.A.M.
I will just FIRE Jay Marshall and get a new MC... fooey on him...
ARgh....
.
Jus' kiddin'... Jasper is one of my closest friends in the world
and whatever HE WANTS from me,,,, he gets!
Msg #32795 Dated 8:26:51 02-04-92 32777 <--> 32843
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
What else did you expect from TANNENS.... cheez... they practice
what they preach!!!
Msg #32797 Dated 8:27:00 02-04-92 32784 <--> 32887
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW DEAN OF S.A.M.
Or a noose!
Msg #32800 Dated 8:49:04 02-04-92 32789 <--> 33011
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
Yeah, as I recall, Stella was the cute one.
Msg #32801 Dated 8:51:36 02-04-92 32790 <--> 32802
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
I'm sure that you can write on some kinds of flash paper. And anyway,
the idea is to make the books illegerable.
Msg #32802 Dated 8:53:25 02-04-92 32791 <--> 32826
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Sure! Here's to government supported magic shows, jugglers, and
clowns! Say . . . Didn't they try that in Rome?
Msg #32803 Dated 8:59:49 02-04-92 -> 32840
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: NOTICE
I will be away from the MAGIC! main console from Thursday to Sunday.
Send lots of mojo this way to keep the system going!
Msg #32804 Dated 9:58:18 02-04-92 32687 <-
From: DOC EASON
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: BACK HOME IN ASPEN
no not yet i havent been able to play that much with it yet but ill let
you know...
Msg #32805 Dated 9:59:55 02-04-92 32746 <--> 32825
From: DOC EASON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
yes definitely P.O. Box 50 Basalt CO 81621
Msg #32808 Dated 13:44:37 02-04-92 -> 32852
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: FUNDING THE ARTS
Remember Pete Biro's on-the-scene reports on the Oakland fire? Well,
the IRS has found a new way to fund the arts, as well as bombers,
scientific junkets to South America, and welfare. They have
provisionally ruled that the homeowners whose homes were destroyed by
the fire will _not_ be able to deduct their morgage interest this year!
It seems that you can only deduct interest on your primary residence,
and since those homes burned down, those folks aren't living there
anymore.
Remember Tabby's wonderful story of the eyeball on the band bus? Well,
that eyeball may still be traveling, and it may have found a companion.
It seems that a pair of eyeballs, possibly from an animal, were found
lying on a seat on a city bus.
Msg #32814 Dated 15:48:27 02-04-92 -> 32818
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
MAGIC!-NL Mon 03 Feb 92 02:35
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Yes that is indeed true in everything in life, when nobody does
the job with a lack of care and integrety and there is mutual
trust and understanding.......life would be quite beautifull.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #32815 Dated 15:48:35 02-04-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
MAGIC!-NL Tue 04 Feb 92 19:08
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Sometimes people, when they go on a business trip, they have the
other side printed in tghe appropriate language. Many Japanese, I
know, have their cards printed in both Japanese and English. ---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
Msg #32816 Dated 15:48:44 02-04-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
MAGIC!-NL Tue 04 Feb 92 20:06
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Dear Cy,
Your presumption that I have obviously not worked a room doing
close-up with a live rock band blasting at top noise at the same
time is totally wrong, I have, not just once, but many many
times. Quite often I find myself in that particular situation.
Believe me, I know what I am talking about concerning this.
I know that many people have no idea what voice training can do.
I know that most can improve their voice so much that they will
be heard TEN times as well. This is no exaggaration! One can
really be heard ten times as well, when diction, breath control,
projection etc are perfect. Most people feel that their voice is
okay, well usually that is the case for everyday use, but working
in a pandemonium asks for a lot more. Now my own voice is not
perfect, by no means, it used to be a lot better 20 years ago,
but I have started to work on it again.
I absolutely guarantee to you that provided your body has no
defects, and that you take voice lessons from someone who knows
both medically and theatrically what you need, that when you take
these lessons once a week, you do your best and train for half an
hour a day, that after 2 years or so, you will be able to cope
with that blasting rock band with no pain. I am willing to bet
the price of the amplification system you have on it. Take
lessons from someone qualified, do your best, and I guarantee!
Look at voice-experts. Opera singers for instance. Without
amplification, they are able to sing and be heard over a FULL
orchestra, also in the parts where the orchestra plays full
force. And they do not even need to overstrain and damage their
voice doing it. Their voice may get tired doing it, sure, but
they do not damage it! And they are heard!
Concerning this noise problem, I really feel that this is an area
where professional help should be gotten. Do not dismiss it
without trying, simply because it may seem unlikely that it might
help all that much.Most people have no idea at how enormously it
can help.
In a close-up situation, sitting or standing at a table with 10
or 15 people around it, training your voice is in my mind the
best approach to cope with the noise problem caused by the rock
bands. An amplification system in such a situation is very
unnatural, people will feel being performed at, instead of what
close-up should be, where people get the feeling of being part of
something happening. No way can you get this interaction-feeling
by using an amplification system.
Trade shows, lectures, "magic-convention close-up" and like
situations, is a slightly different thing. There it does not
deter from what you do if people are watching something, watching
a presentation. But in real close-up, people should never have
the idea of watching a presentation, they should have the feeling
of being part of it. This is virtually impossible when the
situation is so unnatural, it is totally unnatural for a small
intimate group of people that one of them is using an
amplification system. Besides that, amplification, in close-up,
is unnecessary, even with a rock band playing full force, just
train the voice, like opera singers and actors do. A good voice
is one of the tools a professional magician needs.
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #32818 Dated 16:11:50 02-04-92 32814 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
TO: TOMMY WONDER
VIA: MAGIC-NL/NETHERLANDS
Yes, but, Tommy, if everyone did everything with care, integrity,
mutual trust, and understanding, we would have HUGE numbers of people
unemployed! No police, no auditors, no lawyers . . .
Gee, on second thought, maybe you don't have a bad idea!
Msg #32825 Dated 18:39:17 02-04-92 32747 <--> 32830
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
I should have some new bills for you by Thursday. Will mail them
shortly thereafter. Sorry for the delay.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32826 Dated 18:39:25 02-04-92 32759 <--> 32829
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
You're talking to a tried and true libertarian. (small "l") I
don't think the government should be in that line either, but
there are a WHOLE BUNCH of other spending cuts I'd make first.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32827 Dated 18:39:34 02-04-92 32760 <--> 32838
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH
Pete,
I tried to split a card with a knife with little success. I'll
try heating one this evening to loosen the glue.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32829 Dated 18:39:50 02-04-92 32790 <--> 32836
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Pete,
I've typed on flash paper with no problems.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32830 Dated 18:39:57 02-04-92 32805 <--> 32841
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
Doc,
I'll have it in the mail on Friday.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32832 Dated 20:49:11 02-04-92 -> 32859
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: ALL
Re: CLOSE UP ILLUSIONS
I recently received an extra copy of the companion video tape to Gary
Oellett's _Close Up Illusions_. If anyone can use it I'll make you a
great deal. Regular retail is $25.00 If you bought it with the book it
was on special for $19.00. YOUR PRICE $16.00. This tape is not a
performance or instructional tape. It is Gary demonstrating the effects
and sleights from the book. The book is exellent and I reccomendit to
everyone. The tape makes the items inthe book really come alive.
There were a few items inthe book that I would have passed over from
the description, but on the tape it is a whole different story. I was
very impressed and will now learn what I might have missed before.
The tape mentioned above is brand new and has never been viewed. If you
want it please let me know fast.
Msg #32836 Dated 23:40:42 02-04-92 32764 <--> 32842
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Because the govt. beauracrats like opera and not vaudeville. In their
wisdom opera has class and the variety arts do not, hence they use
the govt. gun to take our money and support something we wouldn't
normally choose to support. But we are just no-class commoners and
if we don't choose to support opera, then they have to do it for us.
.
It's their job, mon !
Msg #32837 Dated 23:40:47 02-04-92 32782 <--> 32847
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
I've been getting garbage on the downloads and if the msg # is
honked up then when I use IMP! to reply it creates a reply to a
non-existent msg. The upload to MAGIC! gags on the offending msg, whi
le entering the prior entries. I have to abort the upload and fix the
msg reply number. Sometimes I end up sending the sme msg on the
second try - sorry about that !
Msg #32838 Dated 23:40:51 02-04-92 32793 <--> 32839
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH
Hmmmmm, if I was ever to try and get a job, that might be a fun place
to work - naaaaahhh ! I'm unemployable, been on my own too long.
Msg #32839 Dated 23:40:53 02-04-92 32827 <--> 32853
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH
How does one go about splitting a card without tearing hell out of
it. There must be a method to it - youse is the expert, how ???
Msg #32840 Dated 23:40:56 02-04-92 32803 <--> 32848
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NOTICE
Will cast a spell to keep the daemons out of Arleta area for the
specified period.
Msg #32841 Dated 0:35:58 02-05-92 32825 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: IN A FLASH
No problem! Whenever you happen to have a couple will be great.
Thanks.
Msg #32842 Dated 0:37:36 02-05-92 32836 <--> 32851
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
EXACTLY!!! I have no gripe with opera, heck, I even like some of the
stuff. I just think it should be my choice.
Msg #32843 Dated 0:36:36 02-05-92 32786 <--> 32857
From: T A WATERS
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
The difference is, of course, that most comics know it is wrong to
steal material even though they do it -- making various
rationalizations. Magicians, usually, don't have the faintest notion
that it is wrong to take material from the acts of others -- which is
why advice that it should be obvious is tongue-in-cheek is taken
seriously; given the examples young magicians have, why WOULDN'T they
take it seriously?
Msg #32847 Dated 0:44:17 02-05-92 32837 <--> 32855
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Argh! There have been a couple of reports of line noise lately (not
many, just a couple) but I can't get it when I run tests out to the
local telephone system and back. Sorry to hear you are having
problems.
Msg #32848 Dated 0:45:24 02-05-92 32840 <--> 32973
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NOTICE
I appreciate it, Burton. Someday I'll get smart and leave a crystal on
top of the central processor.
Msg #32851 Dated 0:57:54 02-05-92 32801 <--> 32854
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Ear Retrievable too.
.
Tonight I lecture on the History of Wild Card.
.
From Bro. Hamman's Mystic Nine, to Peter Kane's Watch the Ace,
then Tannen's RIP OFF, Fred Kaps' handling, Derek Dingle's, and
others... Hardest part is to rememeber which one I am doing and
not do the wrong move in the wrong trick... argh... got cue cards!
Msg #32852 Dated 0:58:03 02-05-92 32808 <--> 32964
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FUNDING THE ARTS
Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #32853 Dated 0:58:06 02-05-92 32827 <--> 32856
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH
NO NO NO... NO KNIVE, NO HEAT... HOLY COW...YOU DON'T KNOW THE
WORK..... Basically you tapa corner of a card on the table until
you get a tiny bit of split. Cards split apart (dark colored paper
glue is holding the pieces) in 1/3rds... You get a thin and a
thick piece. You lay the card flat on the table with the 1/3 or
2/3 part -- that you want to keep -- face down and peal back the
1/3 or 2/3 part above the split. It takes some knack, but it is
a neat thing when you get it... like ZAP and you can peal a card
in seconds. After you break the corner and fiddle the bits apart
a little ... there is somewhere a better description in print.
.
Maybe TA can let you know... Good splittin'
Msg #32854 Dated 0:58:19 02-05-92 32829 <--> 32863
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Try an old fashioned fountain pen or a pencil... that's what the
old days bookies, etc. used to use (so the story goes) and they
would ignite the evidence in a raid!
Msg #32855 Dated 0:58:24 02-05-92 32837 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SUPERBOWL !!!
Me too! Darn... ARgh... lotsa line noise... fooo
Msg #32856 Dated 0:58:27 02-05-92 32839 <--> 32909
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FLASH
I just answered that moments ago. Good luck.
Msg #32857 Dated 0:58:30 02-05-92 32843 <--> 32860
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
At the Oakland Magic Circle meeting tonite I mentioned the Tannen
Camp instructions to youthful magicians, that they should "Steal
only good stuff"... and a guy got up and said that was also in
Print, either in the SAM Jr. magazine or something the SAM put out!
.
This really FRIES MY BRAIN... ARGH... WHAT CAN WE DO????
Msg #32859 Dated 1:02:10 02-05-92 32832 <--> 32882
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: CLOSE UP ILLUSIONS
Burt,
Sold. If I'm the first, just let me know how you want to arrange
payment.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32860 Dated 1:07:14 02-05-92 32857 <--> 32866
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
The quoted material was contained in a article about Elliott and
another guest speaker at the Stamford Society of Young Magicians
Assembly 42 meeting, and the article was published in "The Magic
SYMbol", the publicaiton of the Young Members of S.A.M. Because it was
written as a review of that meeting (kinda like the Ring reports in
"Linking Ring") the material was published as submitted. Really should
have been deleted, changed or something by the editor (in my opinion at
least) but wasn't.
Msg #32863 Dated 7:16:53 02-05-92 32851 <--> 32868
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO(X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Just don't forget the two DOS wild cards, * and ?. You can do a lot of
tricks with them too. You know, like DIR *.*.
Msg #32866 Dated 7:52:07 02-05-92 32860 <--> 32870
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
As I don't get the publication, would like an actual xerox or
copy of some kind, plus the editorial address, etc. if possible.
I really want to write a letter to the Ed. Thanks.
Msg #32868 Dated 7:52:15 02-05-92 32863 <--> 32871
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Wild cards, yes... boy did the lecture go well. I did about twice
the normal length and nobody fell asleep. was first time I did
anything in front of the local club since I moved back. Lots (most)
of the members had no idea who I was or that I used to be the
Prez (for about six terms) and used to run thier weekend conventions.
So it was fun getting back into the swing.
Msg #32870 Dated 8:06:59 02-05-92 32843 <--> 32874
From: MIKE KING
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
Agreed. I just know how hard it is for the up and coming in small town
USA or small town Russia for that much, to develop his/her act. I
would have loved the chance to grow up in L.A. and be a junior at The
Magic Castle and study under the greats that reside there. I know that
"theft" of material, even by the big guys in the biz is everywhere. I
don't think it right. But it's hard for a fellow not to try something
that has been developed by another. How many great piano composers
have there been in time and how many piano players. I trhink the same
is true in magic. A few guys, like yourself, who invent and develop,
and many, MANY, MANY that "try" and perform the magic. I guess that's
why I onlt steal from guys dead a hundred years or more. (That was an
attempt at a joke.) This is an interesting topic of discussion. But
I don't know what other point can be made, than the one you already
have. I guess you are indeed a master of "economy of words".
Msg #32871 Dated 11:08:23 02-05-92 32868 <--> 32876
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
If they don't know who you are, Biro-san, they don't know nuttin'.
Where they been for the last couple of decades? Hiding in cereal
boxes?
Msg #32874 Dated 12:51:47 02-05-92 32860 <--> 32878
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
As I don't get the publication, would like an actual xerox or
copy of some kind, plus the editorial address, etc. if possible.
I really want to write a letter to the Ed. Thanks.
Msg #32876 Dated 12:51:55 02-05-92 32863 <--> 32886
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Wild cards, yes... boy did the lecture go well. I did about twice
the normal length and nobody fell asleep. was first time I did
anything in front of the local club since I moved back. Lots (most)
of the members had no idea who I was or that I used to be the
Prez (for about six terms) and used to run thier weekend conventions.
So it was fun getting back into the swing.
Msg #32878 Dated 12:52:09 02-05-92 32870 <--> 32888
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
OK, instead of Elliott telling kids to "STEAL FROM THE BEST"...
why didn't he say something like... "Study the magic you see, live
on TV, watch what the BEST people do... Work on your magic. Try
to emulate those you admire to begin, but above all work hard to
JUST BE YOURSELF... no one can be someone else with any success.
.
Read books, interpret the magic you read about and see, in your
own way.
.
NOTE: Some of the best I have seen have NOT BEEN INFLUENCED BY
OTHERS... LIKE RENE LAVAND AND LENNERT GREEN. And the guy, Bill
Anderson, that started me. THEY DID NOT SEE MUCH OTHER MAGIC. THEY
LITERALLY LIVED IN CAVES AND WHEN THEY CAME OUT THEY DAZZLED AND
AMAZED OTHERS because they DID THINGS "UNLIKE" ANY ONE ELSE!"
.
OK?
Msg #32879 Dated 12:52:29 02-05-92
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: SORRY
I did it again and RE SENT a file... tsk... oh well. Tuff!!!
Msg #32882 Dated 17:59:22 02-05-92 32832 <-
From: RICHARD HART
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: CLOSE UP ILLUSIONS
Sold! Not sure I have your current address, Burt, msg it to me here,
and I'll fire off a $16 check, post-haste.
Thanks,
_richard
Msg #32883 Dated 18:54:47 02-05-92 32749 <--> 32885
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Yes, it was Martin Lewis as I recall. Perhaps Magic Inc. Still
carries it. It is a great effect with the insurance policy gag
and the card in envelope finish.
Msg #32884 Dated 18:54:54 02-05-92 32753 <--> 32899
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Even though the audience does not notice uneven loops, it is
always best to use the best methods available. The real work is
always worth doing.
Msg #32885 Dated 18:55:02 02-05-92 32758 <--> 32898
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
I'm going to be in the Linking Ring book also. It was kind of
them to ask. I okayed it even though I couldn't remember the
trick from the title.
Msg #32886 Dated 18:55:09 02-05-92 32759 <--> 32910
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Agree that things should be in the private sector. Just yesterday
a theater was turned down over the committee's recomendation.
They sen the government a tape of an act in which nude woman was
shown bound on the stage. Another act was an almost nude woman
who gave the audience oil and invited them to rub it on her.
Don't have any idea what she was trying to prove.
.
The government felt the theater was trying for some sort of a
test case. The committee had not viewed the tape. I'm sure there
will be more in the papers about this.
Msg #32887 Dated 18:55:24 02-05-92 32784 <--> 32901
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NEW DEAN OF S.A.M.
Lefty should receive some honor, but he has not been with Jay
from the beginning. I understand it started during the war as
being easier to carry than his figure.
Msg #32888 Dated 18:55:31 02-05-92 32786 <--> 32890
From: CY KELLER
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
My mentor Hen Fetsch always returned from conventions with items
he could use. His feeling was that it was OK if you did not do
the material in the same venue, i.e. Ok if the person did not
play Baltimore. I had always considered Hen to be quite ethical,
but all of you have made me wonder.
.
Ricky Jay would be upset, I'm sure, if nyone was to use his
McDonald Queen effect even though methods are in print and the
patter is almost straight from Erdnase. He has made the item a
feature. People should get credit for their effort.
.
Great Popular Music singers use the same songs as others - even
sometimes similar arrangements. Actors don't write their own
plays. Are the writers always paid. It is my understanding that
the First Folios of Shakespeare's plays were put together by
people sitting in the audience and writing them down. Thievery is
alway bad and unethical, but I wonder where any advancement of
performing art would be if people didn't use other people's
ideas.
.
Sorry to keep on this subject but there are no simple answers.
Msg #32889 Dated 18:55:57 02-05-92 32736 <--> 32923
From: CY KELLER
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
.
TO: TOMMY WONDER
VIA: MAGIC-NL/NETHERLANDS
.
Very interesting thoughts on voice training. It should work.
However, the times I've worked the usual setup is a 10 person
table, so at least one or two people are over 6 feet away.
Perhaps the people near the performer would consider the voice
you are reccommending would not seen natural to those close by.
I believe that most Broadway musicals use amplification.
Incidentally, some of the places I've worked, the speakes were
within a few feet of the table.
.
I can't agree with the idea of people feeling they are
being performed at. Albert Goshman always performed a close-up
show -the same is true for Del Ray. Therefore I can see nothing
wrong with this approach.
.
Again I think voice training is of great use. A good voice
is certainly one of our tools, but you do admit that some places
amplification is of help.
Msg #32890 Dated 18:56:22 02-05-92 32870 <--> 32891
From: CY KELLER
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
I felt the same way, living in Baltimore during the 40's. This
was the golden age in New York and all we got were the scraps
from the table. We awaited every book, and ideas brought from New
York by travelers. We used everything we could get our hands on
and rework the material to fit our delivery and persona.
.
I have always felt that the "underground" in passing ideas among
a few were doing an injustice to the people not in the loop. Some
of the ideas could be reworked by inventive people. These people
were deprived of the knowledge.
.
More further at another time.
Mg #32891 Dated 18:56:39 02-05-92 32878 <--> 32902
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
It's an interesting point about some performers inventing
without seeing other magic. I think you can add Jerry Andrus to
that list. However, I wonder if they were really living in caves
and were not aware of something going on in the outside world.
If it were not for PIF PAFF POOF, I wonder if Andrus would have
thought of his marvelous Linking Pins. Lavand uses a Himber
Wallet. He does other known effects, of course changing the
methods so he can do them with the one hand he has.
Msg #32894 Dated 20:19:24 02-05-92 -> 32904
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: EVERYONE EVERYWHERE
Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ANY AND ALL MAGICIANS WHO SHARE MY BIRTHDAY OF FEB 5
FROM STACEY. HAVE MANY MAGICAL YEARS!
Msg #32895 Dated 20:22:56 02-05-92 -> 32905From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: SEMI FICTITIOUS STORY TO
BESIDES BEING A MAGICIAN I AM ALSO A PUBLISHED AUTHOR OF CHILDRENS
BOOKS AND STORIES. I HAVE WRITTEN A SPECIAL STORY AS A GIFT FOR
SIGFRIED AND ROY, BASED ON AN ARTICLE I READ ABOUT THEM. I HAVE NO
INTENTION OF PUBLISHING IT. RATHER, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE A GIFT TO
THEM, AS I ADMIRE THEM A GREAT DEAL. IS THERE AN ADDRESS OR PERSON I
CAN SEND IT IN CARE OF TO ASSURE THAT THEY WILL GET IT? I DON'T WANT
IT TO GO TO THE OZONE SOMEWHERE. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP...STACEY
Msg #32898 Dated 21:12:59 02-05-92 32883 <--> 34513
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BINARELLI
You got it, Magic INK... I was hangin' about with Martin when that
was developed.
Msg #32899 Dated 21:13:03 02-05-92 32884 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Yup, and you should ALWAYS look like you can handle items flawlessly
Msg #32901 Dated 21:13:14 02-05-92 32887 <--> 32914
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: NEW DEAN OF S.A.M.
Yep, and he threw away one of his six rings to cut down on weight
(and he also discovered he wasn't really using all six rings)!
Msg #32902 Dated 21:13:17 02-05-92 32888 <--> 32903
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
There really aren't any cut and dried, or simple answers. I think
one major item, tho... is Signature Material. Leave it alone!
You mentioned Ricky and the Queens... Seabrooke's Wallet... Jay
with Lefty... etc...
Msg #32903 Dated 21:13:23 02-05-92 32891 <--> 32919
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
Andrus is a great example of being "off in the never land and
thinking of his own ways..." Right... Piff Paff Poof... etc...
Again. No single answer.
Msg #32904 Dated 21:13:28 02-05-92 32894 <--> 32912
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
You make me wish it was my birthday today... thanks anyway...
Msg #32905 Dated 21:13:31 02-05-92 32895 <--> 32907
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SEMI FICTITIOUS STORY TO
I will send you their business office mailing address as soon as
I can find it. Should be in a few minutes... but I have to exit
this program and read into another file, then come back. Hang on!
Msg #32906 Dated 21:13:35 02-05-92 -> 32917
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: VODVIL 2000
Ee;32883
Yowzooo... For those (few) CRITICS of Vodvil 2000, which we
produced at the St. Louis IBM Convention... I have just gotten word
that they are booked for an 80 city tour... booked by the same
agency that is responsible for the road tours of CATS and Phantom
of the Opera... So there! Nya, nya, nya!!!
Msg #32907 Dated 21:13:44 02-05-92 32895 <--> 32942
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SEMI FICTITIOUS STORY TO
Send mail to Seigfried and Roy, 6769 W. Charlston, Suite C, Las
Vegas, NV 89102 (Make sure to keep a spare back up copy)!!!
Msg #32909 Dated 22:11:42 02-05-92 32853 <--> 32933
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH
Pete,
Thanks for the info on the card split. I've yet to successfully
split, but I'm still working at it.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32910 Dated 22:11:50 02-05-92 32854 <--> 32911
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Pete,
I always thought that if I ran a business like that, I'd put a
hard drive between two 20,000 gauss electro-magnets with a little
trip switch.
I guess they didn't have electro-magnets back in those days.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32911 Dated 22:11:58 02-05-92 32868 <--> 32971
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Congrats! Any butterflies?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32912 Dated 22:12:05 02-05-92 32894 <--> 32916
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Stacey,
I don't share your birthday, but wish you happy, productive one.
And many more to follow.
"May you live as long as you want, and love as long as you live."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32914 Dated 23:26:27 02-05-92 32887 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: NEW DEAN OF S.A.M.
Lefty _has_ been with Jay ever since the beginning (well, OK, not the
first couple of months in utero, perhaps). He just started performing
later.
Msg #32916 Dated 23:31:59 02-05-92 32894 <--> 32934
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Hey, Stacey! Happy Birthday! I'll bet I know what one of your
presents was!
Msg #32917 Dated 23:36:04 02-05-92 32906 <--> 32935
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VODVIL 2000
Hey, Pete, the news about Vodvil 2000 is GREAT! You get any credit,
or, even better, any cash?
Msg #32919 Dated 0:12:09 02-06-92 32870 <--> 32920
From: T A WATERS
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
There are a lot of people who are good at performing but not at
creating material. However, there are thousands of books with some
wonderful magic that nobody does. Closeuppers all do Matrix, Chop Cup,
Card To Wallet -- illusionists all do ZigZag, Impaling, etc. -- there
isn't any excuse for it. Even if in accordance with Sturgeon's Law we
throw out 90% of it as crap, the rest of the stuff in the books is more
material than all the pros will ever need. Of course -- first they
have to learn how to read, which these days may be a problem...
Msg #32920 Dated 0:19:38 02-06-92 32888 <--> 32921
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
I would like to point out again that Ricky's Coterie routine is
inspired, certainly, by the Erdnase patter but most of it is written
by himself; check a tape and follow along the text. You will see that
a good deal of the patter is Jay's, but he was so good at emulating the
style that few realize this. Also, while he does use the same gaffs as
in McDonald, he is NOT doing the McDonald routine or anything like it;
the sequence of moves, the construction of the routine are entirely
different. That routine and presentation is uniquely Ricky's; he
didn't just stick a couple of things together.
Msg #32921 Dated 0:23:18 02-06-92 32891 <--> 32922
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
Actually, it should be pointed out that Andrus' Linking Pins were very
probably more likely influenced by L. Vosburgh Lyon's SLIP SNAP SPOOF,
which appeared in the Phoenix; this effect introduced the "key" pin.
Msg #32922 Dated 0:24:48 02-06-92 32902 <--> 32924
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
To continue with my grumbly annotations -- the Seabrooke routine is in
large part the creation of Eric Williams, who published it in ABRA; the
Williams routine used a sealed envelope rather than a wallet, but
Williams did suggest a wallet as a possibility.
Msg #32923 Dated 0:27:29 02-06-92 32889 <--> 32940
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
It is amazing what professional training in voice can do; when I was an
actor in New York, I once worked the Brighton Beach Theater. This was
an outdoor theater with an elevated railway about thirty feet away, and
we were doing Shakespeare with no miks, no amplification. It was an
interesting experience...!
Msg #32924 Dated 0:33:04 02-06-92 32922 <--> 32930
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
I rather like some of the "grumbly annotations." Pity I can't figure
out how to put them in a column down the right side of the screen.
Msg #32930 Dated 7:31:59 02-06-92 32878 <--> 32931
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
I agree with you. What you are saying is study the masters and do your
intterpretation. That's the way almost all "up and comings" do it in
most fields. I have NEVER SAID, STEAL effects and lines word for word.
Msg #32931 Dated 7:35:15 02-06-92 32888 <--> 32932
From: MIKE KING
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
There are NO simple answers. I don't agree with doing an effect like
Ricky's beat by beat. But Ricky is a great example of how a talented
performer has taken an effect that has been in print for years and made
it his. THAT'S WHAT TO DO.
Msg #32932 Dated 7:37:56 02-06-92 32919 <--> 32936
From: MIKE KING
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
How many magical performers working today would you book???? How many
are worth the price of admisssion? The problem with magic as a whole
is that a great deal are "bas clas" and not willing to put the work
into learning how to entertain. To ENTERTAIN is what I and I feel most
(That should read...I and most decent performers what to do, ENTERTAIN.
Don't get me started on the lack of study of most magicains I know. I
am not saying that there are not those who do "the work" But.......you
know what I mean. I think the recent issue of Genii contains many
words of wisdom penned by Johnathan P. He seems to be interested in
being entertaining. Looks like he's not doing to badly.
Msg #32933 Dated 7:43:58 02-06-92 32909 <--> 32972
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH
It takes practice, dude... practice... Some guys don't need to lay
'em on the table. Others use a pencil to hold down the splitting
action (can't describe)... Some decks just leap apart, others are
impossible.... My guess is the newer cheap decks would be EZ.
Msg #32934 Dated 7:44:03 02-06-92 32916 <--> 32985
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
I thought you were gone?
Msg #32935 Dated 7:44:06 02-06-92 32917 <--> 32950
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VODVIL 2000
I DESERVE NO CREDIT AND GET NO DOUGH... I ONLY SAW THE POTENTIAL OF
THE SHOW AND 'GAMBLED' BY BOOKING IT AND GIVING THE "A R T I S T S"
A FREE HAND!!!! Anybody lurking from the Fed. Govt., please note.
Msg #32936 Dated 7:44:11 02-06-92 32919 <--> 32937
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
Read first, spell second?
Msg #32937 Dated 7:44:14 02-06-92 32920 <--> 32938
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
Yeah, funny how people see a resemlance and think it is the same.
I remember when Ricky added a line TO TRIBUTE KEN BROOKE... "This
Queen went to Windsor...." (Ken used that line in his street pitch
doing the Dutch Looper!)
Msg #32938 Dated 7:44:19 02-06-92 32921 <--> 32939
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
I had forgotten the "name" Vosburgh used. Right again TA
Msg #32939 Dated 7:44:22 02-06-92 32922 <--> 32941
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
And, if I remember... the LePaul Wallet? Didn't LePaul JUST USE AN
ENVELOPE STACK? NO WALLET (AT LEAST AT FIRST?)
Msg #32940 Dated 7:44:25 02-06-92 32923 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
Yes, you could hear the trains perfectly! There is a Music Hall
(downstairs) in London, that has a tube line running alonside.
One of the women working there (last time I visited) was related to
Maskelyne... or was it Maskeleyne?
.
JOKE:
.
My dad was in vodvil (true part) and he sang song after song without
any kind of sound system... he was very good... and at the end of
his act, the audience stood as one and shouted... "we can't hear
you!"
.
I love that joke.
Msg #32941 Dated 7:44:39 02-06-92 32924 <--> 32946
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
Just print them out and tape 'em on ...
Msg #32942 Dated 7:43:59 02-06-92 32895 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SEMI FICTITIOUS STORY TO
Contact Peter Pit or Bill Larsen. They should both be able to get you
an address that will work.
Msg #32945 Dated 10:07:31 02-06-92 -> 32947
From: MARVIN STERN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: BOOK REVIEW
Just received my Jan TOPS and wondered if you have seen the comments
about one of your reviews in Genii. If not, and you like, I will bring
it tommorow Fri to lunch.
BUT I warn you, you might pull out all your hair when you read it.
Let me know, and remember, he said it, I didn't.
Msg #32946 Dated 15:35:05 02-06-92 32939 <--> 32951
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
Indeed he did -- but you can't sell a stack of envelopes...
Msg #32947 Dated 15:36:04 02-06-92 32945 <--> 32987
From: T A WATERS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: BOOK REVIEW
No, I haven't seen it -- but when you do things in any public forum,
you have to understand that not everyone is going to like them. I will
take a look.
Msg #32950 Dated 21:16:49 02-06-92 32935 <--> 32970
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VODVIL 2000
how does one get a grant from the govt to do this? Please reply
privatly.
Msg #32951 Dated 21:18:11 02-06-92 32919 <--> 32957
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
or you can buythe video!
Msg #32952 Dated 21:35:12 02-06-92 -> 32954
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: ORIGINALITY
I have a real problem with people casting stones at performers
who use other people's material.
.
If a routine is in print, the buyer has the right to perform. If
the routine includes presentation, patter etc. that can be used
too. It can been tipped to friends but not sold.
.
If there is a new idea or subtlity it should e able to be used
in another effect and published, unless the original is still a
dealer's item. If there is a better handling that can be
published also.
.
One of the new gurus in the field of close-up magic is Eugene
Burger. I haven't seen him perform but would like to. I
appreciate his ideas on performing. However I have problems with
his book "The Performance of Close-up Magic".
.
He is adamant that perfomers should not use other performers
material. Many of the essays in the book stress this point.
However what do we see when he uses examples of good close-up
performing that he uses?
.
The first is the Bert Allerton Aspirin Tin Routine. The routine
is almost exactly the Allerton routine from a book published by
Magic Inc. Instead of a magnet in a match packet he uses the
cards. He even uses the idea of the person's name being printed
oddly on the give-away envelope at the end. I don't find his
presentation that original.
.
The vanishing cigarette with a pull is also Allerton's. Extra
material on the details of handling, only.
.
Rosini's double reverse has some difference in handling. I" heard
this is Henry Christ's, who seldom gets credit.
.
Animated Matchbox and Haunted Pack. Both are very derivitve.
Some differences in handling, but same effects and method.
.
So I'm wondering why people who are so adamant about being
original seem to be using other people's material. I guess I may
be dense. I think, though I've used other's ideas, that I've been
more original than some others who give me advice.
.
There has been nothing that has pleased me more than seeing an
idea of mine used by a competent performer to entertain an
audience. If I had tried to make a living through creation of
magic I might feel different.
.
This whole problem of originality never ceases to intrigue me.
I'd like to hear more from Max and other creators on these
problems of mine. Max's three points are fine, but do not
represent the complexity of the issue.
Msg #32954 Dated 8:32:26 02-07-92 32952 <--> 32977
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Like somone (you? me?) said, "It isn't an easily answered question".
Burger is doing a lot of what has been created by others. His
PERSONNA is indeed very much HIM... that is his main asset... his
style, look, manner. The tricks are old as the hills... haunted
pack, etc... and practically (at one time) "generic" ... and now
someone (by many) forgotten. Forgotten for the new FAD stuff... the
stuff the current hot guys are hammering out...
.
Hey, in my "for money" stage/comedy club act... I do "Chase the
Ace" (taught to me by the creator of the ROUTINING, Ken Brooke,
the "Linking Rings" taught to me by Jay Marshall (but with many of
my own handling/presentation bits), The Card in Balloon -- 90-percent
my own, especially the bits, handling, etc., and about 20-percent
advice from Persi Diaconis on "overall needs of routine) (I know
90 and 20 don't add to 100, but the trick is a 110-percenter!!!
(I devised this to replace the Seabrooke version of the Note in
Wallet that Seabrooke had given/taught me... when he started to
come to the US...) I also do the Malini Egg Bag AS TAUGHT TO ME BY
KEN BROOKE (I learned it while doing the artwork sketches for his
instruction sheets). Not much original effects...but the handlings
and style are mine... they are in fact, as old as the ages in
effect... Classics. A line I once did (for Jay who was in audience)
when I picked up the rings... "I do the Rings, a true Classic, but
I do all the Classics... I just use different METHODS!"
.
SO I guess the bottom line might be... "don't do other folks'
signature MATERIAL... maybe the same trick? Not really, but make
sure it is you... And... and... when at a place other magi work,
like the Castle I BELIEVE IT IS THE RESPONSIBLITY OF EACH AND EVERY
PERFORMER (not the booker always, but booker should be informed
and knowledgable as to what they do) TO NOT DUPLICATE THE EFFECTS
OF OTHERS ON SAME NIGHT.
.
Watched David Copperfield TAPE of DC doing the Burnt Note in Wallet
(Seabrooke's) while waiting in line to go in and see Seabrooke.
He didn't know the tape was running (all night over and over) and
he was inside doing his note in wallet.
.
Now... that was STUPID and the host at the Castle SHOULD HAVE
CHANGED THE TAPE!!!!!
.
I have babbled on and now forget the beginning of my message.
That's ok, just do one thing... all of us... THINK about what you
do, from all angles... Skill, Effect, Effect on others, Effect
on brother Magi, effect on your needs (money, fun, punishment (of
viewers?) and above all... be cool!)
Msg #32957 Dated 3:10:54 02-08-92 32866 <--> 32958
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
Pete.... leave me your current mailing address....and will send.
Msg #32958 Dated 3:32:32 02-08-92 32874 <--> 32966
From: DAVID LUTHER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
For faster service leave me a fax number and will get it to you right
away..... (Enjoyed visiting with you in Nashville...was great
gathering, hope to see you there next year.)
Msg #32960 Dated 19:55:50 02-08-92 -> 32968
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ALL
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
Hello, is there a reason that no one is leaving messages?
Besides the fact that the machine tells us we can't log-in.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #32962 Dated 21:19:53 02-08-92
From: RYAN WILSON
To: Y
Re: F/X NEW JOURNAL
looking for past copies of the f/x news journal, or photo copies from
years 1987 to present, if you have any give me a call. my number is
416 857 1803 or write to me.
264 glenwood crescent
Bolton Ont
L7E1Z4
Canada
thank very much ...
Msg #32963 Dated 22:48:34 02-08-92 32627 <-
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: IMPOSSIBLE MAGIC
I just saw an ad in a recent issue of Genii, it was a small floating
ball of fire.
Msg #32964 Dated 22:51:33 02-08-92 32808 <--> 32994
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FUNDING THE ARTS
Interesting note about the Oakland fire mortgage crisis...
On a local TV station, KTVU channel 2, they talked to the IRS spokesman
about the situation. This spokesman was Larry Wright, member of SAM
Assembly #112, Concord, CA!
Msg #32966 Dated 21:06:02 02-09-92 32957 <--> 32967
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
16 Los Banos Ct., Walnut Creek, CA 94598-3101
.
Good seeing you all at Nashville... and havin' the Obnoxious Kenny
Rogers watch over our dinner!!! ARgh...
Msg #32967 Dated 21:06:08 02-09-92 32958 <--> 32978
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
FAX 510-932-7696
.
Still was nice to visit in Music City... I'll be back...
Msg #32968 Dated 21:06:12 02-09-92 32960 <--> 32974
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
Funny... I kept falling off the log (in) ??? And this time I hit
Y instead of N and I got on... been trying for three days....
Do you get the message
.
System temporarily down for maintainence, etc.
Do you wish to wait? Y/N
.
I been hittin' N, and this time I hit Y and got in????? ARgh..
Msg #32970 Dated 22:26:58 02-09-92 32935 <--> 32986
From: STEVEN KRAMER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VODVIL 2000
Have tour dates been set as yet? If they have how do we find out where
and when they will be playing? If you have them could you please post?
Enough questions? Enough questions! Thanks in advance!
Msg #32971 Dated 22:29:23 02-09-92 32863 <--> 32995
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVD LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
If you are in the process of getting busted you can always use
ERASE *.*
Msg #32972 Dated 22:29:25 02-09-92 32856 <--> 33003
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH
Yo - got it, will try splitting some old cards I have around. Muchas
Grassyass.
Msg #32973 Dated 22:29:27 02-09-92 32848 <--> 32996
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NOTICE
Good idea, I'll pick one out and send it to you. Should be a master
, I'll see what I have.
Msg #32974 Dated 22:29:29 02-09-92 32968 <--> 32992
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
Double Arrrghh - I hate computers, you can't trust them to ask the
riht questions. What kind of deal is that - David, HEELLPPP!
Msg #32977 Dated 0:34:10 02-10-92 32952 <--> 33004
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I might clarify this a bit -- I don't think Eugene is objecting to
people doing material other people have created (if, of course, they
have published it or otherwise given their permission); I think he is
talking about doing material THAT OTHER PERFORMERS ARE DOING. If I am
interpreting him correctly, I will say that is also my view. The
biggest single mystery in magic to me is why any performer would WANT
to do an effect that someone else is doing. It isn't like there is a
shortage of effects. There are thousands of terrific effects and
routines in print that NOBODY is doing -- and I dunno about you, but if
I never see another Chop Cup or Matrix or Impaling or ZigZag I will be
perfectly happy.
Msg #32978 Dated 1:45:48 02-10-92 32966 <--> 32999
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
As a working comic and magician I see stealing all the time. When I
work either the Improv or the Comedy Store here in L.A. it's amazing
how many comics are baiscally doing the same routines. There is very
little originality out there and those who display any kind of original
thinking are quickly snapped up by TV so that they can stiffle in in a
sitcom.
.
In my current Castle close-up act I have tried to be as original as
possible, even being off-beat, which is not appreciated in magic at
times. My ex-girlfriend used to hate my act (and later me) because she
wanted me to do the same effects as everone else, ie: card to wallet,
pick-a-card, etc. She couldn't rationalize that I wasn't looking for
something that was highly commercial but extremely different (this is
not to say that those effects aren't commercial). I like to stick-out
like a bad thumb-tip, but many magicians are extremely afraid of taking
any kind of risk or being bold and outrageous.Some people have
criticized me for wearinga costume that's very much like Harry
Anderson's but the costume is not the act...it is just a small portion
and one which allows me to do and claim the attrocities in my act. If
you ahve ever met me and/or have seen my act you will see a major
difference. This week I will be debuting several new effects (at least
to me) including a thing called CARD VAMPIRE (original), a rather
offbeat handling of a torn and restored tissue paper, a routine using
goldfish and leeches and a routine I have been using for years and that
I have never (except the original inventor) seen anyone do, I call it
THE WISHING SHELLS, it's a bizzare reworking ofAlan Okawa's Wishing
Shells from Richard's Almanac (1985) and is being done with Alan's
blessings and permission.
Originality is within common reach of everyone, it's just that too many
people are lazy and would rather take the easy way out. My new lecture
"POWER MAGIC!" addresses this and many other points and shows many new
ways to overcoming this and many other problems in magic. To roughly
paraphrase Auntie Mame: "Life is a banquet, and mny people are
starving."
TONY (aka Melman the Aardvark Boy)
Msg #32979 Dated 2:00:20 02-10-92 -> 32997
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: ALL
Re: CASTLE...
Well folks, begin my Castle week tonight. Look forward to meeting many
of you and please introduce yourself to me so that I can put a face to
the "words".
TONY (aka Scruffy the Seal Boy)
Msg #32985 Dated 7:51:47 02-10-92 32934 <--> 33006
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
I were gone - from early Thursday morning until late last night. Was
in Georgia - Atlanta and Macon. Had a great time - fell in love with
Macon, Ga. It sure ain't Lost Angeles!
Msg #32986 Dated 7:53:47 02-10-92 32935 <--> 32990
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VODVIL 2000
Gee, I thought you created the whole thing! (Vod. 2K).
Msg #32987 Dated 7:56:14 02-10-92 32947 <--> 33024
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: BOOK REVIEW
Marvin -
Would you be so kind as to send me a fax of the Tops comments? I'd
like to see 'em. Fax machine is up from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. on
818-896-3967. Thanks.
Msg #32990 Dated 8:04:12 02-10-92 32906 <--> 33002
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VODVIL 2000
GREAT! I look forward to seeing their schedule of cities and to
seeing the show...and what is changed from the St. Louis premier.
Msg #32992 Dated 8:05:21 02-10-92 32960 <--> 32993
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
Er, Uh, Yeah. I was gone for four days and the system stayed up! BUT
it managed to insert that little message at the front about "do you
want to wait?" Before I left, I had flushed the buffers to keep that
from happening, but, of course, it happened anyway.
Both programming and I are a bit puzzled about why that message
appears! It is a sort of random occurance (as opposed to the one that
can occur later that tells you the message base is being packed - that
one is real).
What I think I'm going to have to do is to change that phantom message
(if I can find it!) to something like "Type Y and Press Enter" until we
can find out why it happens.
Msg #32993 Dated 8:08:55 02-10-92 32974 <--> 33001
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
See my earlier message about the phantom message (Wait Y/N). It is
just one of those things the system likes to do when I'm away and it is
bored.
Msg #32994 Dated 8:11:21 02-10-92 32964 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: FUNDING THE ARTS
Thanks for the info on the IRS magician (Larry Wright). While
traveling this weekend, I learned that there is a pilot/magician who
works for Continental and also, there was a guy on one of the flights
into Houston (not my flight) who did some great balloon sculpture - he
did it for every kid on the plane and for the crew members.
But an IRS/magician??? Sheesh!!!
Msg #32995 Dated 8:13:50 02-10-92 32971 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BILL SWITCH?
ERASE *.* is cute, but 1) it takes too long, and 2) it actually doesn't
erase the evidence! Especially with DOS 5.0 which includes an unerase!
Msg #32996 Dated 8:15:14 02-10-92 32973 <--> 33055
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NOTICE
Thanks, Jerry. As you can tell, we need all the help around here that
we can get! There are, of course, a couple of crystals inside the
computer, but I guess they are busy and that they may be oriented in
the wrong directions.
Msg #32997 Dated 8:16:45 02-10-92 32979 <--> 33048
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE...
I'm looking forward to seeing your act, Scruffy! ("The Seal Boy"). I
hope to get down to the Castle either Tues. or Wed.
Msg #32999 Dated 8:23:44 02-10-92 32957 <--> 33000
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
16 Los Banos Ct., Walnut Creek, CA 94598-3101
.
Good seeing you all at Nashville... and havin' the Obnoxious Kenny
Rogers watch over our dinner!!! ARgh...
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