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Msg #33000 Dated 8:23:50 02-10-92 32958 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LUTHER (X)
Re: ETHICS, WHAT'S THAT
FAX 510-932-7696
.
Still was nice to visit in Music City... I'll be back...
Msg #33001 Dated 8:23:55 02-10-92 32960 <--> 33010
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
Funny... I kept falling off the log (in) ??? And this time I hit
Y instead of N and I got on... been trying for three days....
Do you get the message
.
System temporarily down for maintainence, etc.
Do you wish to wait? Y/N
.
I been hittin' N, and this time I hit Y and got in????? ARgh..
Msg #33002 Dated 8:24:04 02-10-92 32970 <--> 33007
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVEN KRAMER (X)
Re: VODVIL 2000
NO sked yet... if I can find out I will. Coby will be at Desert
Seminar.... mebbe he will know by then...
Msg #33003 Dated 8:24:08 02-10-92 32972 <--> 33054
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FLASH
Good luck, then split!
Msg #33004 Dated 8:24:11 02-10-92 32977 <--> 33050
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Gee, I was reading the beginning of your message thinking to myself
I hope I can always do the Chop Cup.... 'course it can be disguised
and of double course THE PRESENTER can be more powerful than the
trick, fer example Paul Daniels. Who cares what the trick is?
.
I made a crazy experiment the other night. It wasn't 100-ercent
on purpose, but what I was doing was Demonstrating the dozen ways
Bro. Hamman's Mystic Nine evolved to Watch the Ace, Wild Card,
Wild Man, Factory Rejects, Xerox, and back to the Gypsy Curse.
.
Well I figured there was NO WAY I could get thru all without getting
lost and/or blowing a move... so I went ahead... and (not bragging
but I had not worked in awhile and was nervous about by PERFORMING
PERSONNA... ) so I flew on into it all... and got BACK INTO MY
LOOSE AND WILD WAYS..... and when I completely got lost and blew
a trick... IT DIDN'T MATTER... they laffed, I hit myself in the
head with something (soft) re set, told a joke and got back into
it... proving that the trick was the least important thing that
was going on.
.
Two things happened.
.
The attendees LEARNED a lot about the effect.
.
And Biro got his confidence back after a loooooong depressing
layoff.
.
(Nashville helped, but I was still tentative there).
.
Whew!
Msg #33006 Dated 8:24:43 02-10-92 32985 <--> 33018
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
So, youse got Georgia on your mind!
Msg #33007 Dated 8:24:46 02-10-92 32986 <--> 33009
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VODVIL 2000
I was in on the early decision/planning, but once underway and OK'd
the basic list of acts, gave Coby/James FREE HAND. After all, in
that case I was "patron" they were "artist"... dig?
Msg #33009 Dated 8:24:53 02-10-92 32990 <--> 33016
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VODVIL 2000
You will see the tape of Vod 2K
Msg #33010 Dated 8:24:56 02-10-92 32992 <--> 33015
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
I kept saying N and it died, then one time I answered Y and it
logged on... but there was little on to read/reply to... god, got
to hurry, I have to go to work in 7 minutes.... ARGh.....
Msg #33011 Dated 9:47:21 02-10-92 32717 <--> 33019
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
David:
The disks will be going out tonite.
Msg #33012 Dated 9:47:57 02-10-92 32745 <-
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MAGIC CASTLE
Gee: I didn't know one had to audition to be a member. Anyway, good
luck on the performing audition too...
Msg #33015 Dated 10:33:52 02-10-92 33010 <--> 33056
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
Yep, was just the system feeling a little lonely.
Msg #33016 Dated 10:34:24 02-10-92 33007 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VODVIL 2000
Yep. So show is a success and patron gets nada. Oh, well, next time,
write yourself into the show!
Msg #33018 Dated 10:35:48 02-10-92 33006 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Yeah, it was great to get back and spend a weekend in Georgia. Macon,
the little I saw of it, was a beautiful city. Many Antebellum
mansions, some in need of repair. Nathan thought it was very pretty
too.
There is something to be said for a place that isn't in the mainstream
of the rat race.
Msg #33019 Dated 10:37:25 02-10-92 33011 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: FLOPPY DRIVE
OK, will see what I can figure out about it. Disks can do strange
things.
Msg #33024 Dated 11:05:36 02-10-92 32987 <--> 33025
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BOOK REVIEW
Will send fax tommorrow. Need to bring in the info from home.
Msg #33025 Dated 13:03:11 02-10-92 33024 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: BOOK REVIEW
OK, will look forward to receiving your fax. Thanks.
Msg #33026 Dated 13:14:33 02-10-92 -> 33034
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE
MAGIC!-NL Mon 10 Feb 92 00:14
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
I think I must have been talking about the Magic Mansion on
Sacramento Street in San Francisco (the B&B) -- but by this time,
it's been so long I can't be sure! ---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #33027 Dated 13:14:38 02-10-92 -> 33035
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE
MAGIC!-NL Mon 10 Feb 92 00:16
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
Sound's like Finney's doing well! He's supposed to be in the
Netherlands later this year to perform for the opening of a new
Mexican restaurant here somewhere (I can't imagine what the food
will be like, but I'm willing to try it once!).
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #33028 Dated 13:14:42 02-10-92 -> 33030
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
MAGIC!-NL Mon 10 Feb 92 00:22
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
Yes, Arnaud really does have to be commended for sifting through
all those American messages for us!
.
I definitely will let people know when I'm heading to LA -- which
I'm sure will happen, since quite a lot of people here seem to get
back to the States about twice a year. It sounds like the company
will also be sending me around Europe a fair amount for the next
two years (which is an added bonus since I can tack on some
vacation
days and have the company pick up the airline costs -- which are
very expensive over here -- no $29.00 specials!).
.
Who knows -- I may end up in LA more often now than when I lived
in San Francisco!
.
See ya!
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
Msg #33030 Dated 16:10:36 02-10-92 33028 <--> 33036
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
TO: LYNN HEALY
VIA: MAGIC-NL/NETHERLANDS
Arnaud really does an incredible job of keeping the Worldwide
MAGIC!/MAGIC-NL network going. I'm looking forward to meeting him
someday. He is a real pioneer and when the history of global magic
communications is written, his name will be very prominent.
Certainly, if you are going to be in L.A., let us know! After all, you
are now a global celebrity and we will have to have a MAGIC! Luncheon
in your honor. (Actually, of course, we would have done that in the
past too, but this makes it sound more dramatic!).
Msg #33031 Dated 16:13:53 02-10-92 -> 33037
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: SEVERE STORMS/FLOODING
As you may have heard, our area is currently experiencing severe storms
and floods. Right now we still have power and phone lines here at
MAGIC! Headquarters, but the phone switching center appears to be
jammed with calls and may have downed lines, etc. I would suggest that
you keep your calls short and avoid downloading long files at this
time. The storm may clear later this evening or sometime on Tuesday
(February 10th).
Msg #33034 Dated 18:36:32 02-10-92 33026 <--> 33059
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Yes was the B&B on Sacto. Strasse! Isn't that where someone named
Pritikin is involved? I have never (and right now don't intend to
go there) been... but heard Mr. P is doing Illusions in one room?
ARgh... 'Tis rainin' like crazeeeeeeeee right now... Guess my lawn
likes it... Roof don't leak yet... Last year the leak was over a
set of rice bowls on display so nuttin' was hurt... But found that
the leaves had plugged the drain and the roof looked like a
swimming pool.
Msg #33035 Dated 18:36:41 02-10-92 33027 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MESSAGE
If it was in Germany it could be "Carlos and Fritz's"? Ugh...
Tell T Wonder PCAM can't afford the travel to bring him this year
unless he is combining the trip with something else. May 31, June
1-2-3 in Asilomar (1-hour and a bit south of San Francisco)...
Msg #33036 Dated 18:36:47 02-10-92 33028 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
I found myself going to LA and the Castle MORE when I live(d) up
here in the North, than when I lived 40-minutes away in Hermosa
Beach!!!
Msg #33037 Dated 18:36:51 02-10-92 33031 <--> 33042
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SEVERE STORMS/FLOODING
Methinks the storm is here now..... ARgh... Had a fun morning at
my "new Job"... 'twas the staff QUARTERLY REPORT time... kinda a
half business and half what's happnin' dude's session in the
company... with all 50-60 folks in attendance.
.
The accounting guy thought he would throw out some funny stats...
"As we are computerized, he said, we find that the number of
Invoices we generated this last quarter would, if laid end to end,
reach 3.9 miles. We checked... and 3.9 miles from here there is
nothing !!! But, But... we also found that the Initial "M" showed
up the most as the first letter of employees last names. And... and,
if you took all the employees that had a name starting with "M" and
laid them end to end they would reach 30 feet!"
.
Well, oh, great math wizzards out there.. that don't add up... and
a few catcalls and groans erupted...
.
My turn followed... heheheheheh... and I let the whold joint know
where I am from by saying...
.
It's nice to be here, but I find it amazing that I am 4.3 feet
taller than all those persons in this room who's name starts with
an M... "CHEERS, STANDING OVATION... ETC..." Heheheeheh... if they
only know what they're in for... har... Oh, I am now "producer"
Msg #33042 Dated 19:39:40 02-10-92 33037 <--> 33060
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SEVERE STORMS/FLOODING
The storm has, for now, calmed down a bit. More is expected Tues.
through Thurs. Closest major flooding is about 2 miles away, with I-5
closed down right near our place.
Uh, Biro, that sounds like a VERY WEIRD group you have hooked up with!
Funny accountants usually spell trouble! Length of invoice trail times
height (length?) of employees with names that begin with "M"???
Msg #33043 Dated 19:39:08 02-10-92 -> 33098
From: GARY PLANTS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: GARY PLANTS
Tabman, Sorry for the delay in responding. I have been d/l messages on
a regular basis but not much on my end. Did spend last weekend with
Darwin Ortiz and we had a great time. He was in town to do a gambling
fling (does the same show every year) so I watched him work for real
people. We had a late dinner and then the next day he came over and I
showed him some of my collection. I did get your letter. Thanks for
the info, it is really appreciated. Met a fellow in Columbus, Ohio who
makes all the gaffed dice. Bought up a few neat items. Will tell you
all later. Could you leave me your new address and phone number. Will
call you later. Geno show you anything that I should know about???????
Msg #33046 Dated 19:44:01 02-10-92 -> 33051
From: GARY PLANTS
To: ALL
Re: WALT ROLLINS
Don't know how many of you will recognize the name Walt Rollins but he
was active in magic several years ago. He had fought an 8 year battle
with cancer and he passed away Sunday night. Walt will be missed by
all. Boy, magic seems to be slowly disappearing from the face of the
earth. We have sure lost a tremendous amount of great magicians in the
last two years. Very sad.
Msg #33047 Dated 19:48:17 02-10-92 -> 33066
From: GARY PLANTS
To: ALL
Re: PAUL GERTNER
Paul Gertner is scheduled to be on the Johnny Carson show on Wednesday
night.
Msg #33048 Dated 19:48:08 02-10-92 32979 <--> 33130
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE...
Yo, Mondo! Hope all went well your first night. did Bill Cosko say
anything to you? Enquireing minds want to know!
Msg #33049 Dated 20:03:24 02-10-92 -> 33067
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CRICHTON
Max,
Recently finished reading Michael Crichton's fast new
mystery novel RISING SUN, in which he does a real job
on Japan. Fascinating reading -- but would be
interested to hear your views on it, in light of your
association with the country, and also in light of Doc
Eason's recent job for Honda. The book almost makes me
want to sell my Honda and Isuzu, and melt my Tenyo
tricks. (If you've also read Crichton's supposedly
nonfiction TRAVELS, it would likewise be interesting to
hear what you thought of the spoonbending party he
attended.)
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #33050 Dated 20:19:20 02-10-92 32977 <--> 33063
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
TA - I suppose you are correct about Burger. Unless someone is
well read and sees a lot of magic, it is hard to tell if
something is performed by someone else. You people on the Coast
can see performers at the castle etc., but many of us don't have
this advantage.
.
There are a great many fine effects, but not all of them good
enough to be classics. Does magic have to be the only art that
cannot be seen again by an audience. Drama, dance and most music
are repeated; and the audience enjoys the i nterpretation. People
still still perform Hamlet and Beethoven's fifth.
.
I agree completely on the use of the same tricks on one show
or the same venue. Magic conventions and the Magic Castle are the
big criminals in this crime. When I worked the Close-up Room at
the Castle, I discovered that another magician was using the card
to wallet in another part of the Castle. I approached him with
the problem and he agreed to drop the effect. Perhaps the Castle
and the Convention planners should look carefully at the people
they are booking to avoid duplication. In many cases, asking
someone to drop an effect will ruin a performer's routine.
.
Incidentally at my close-up show I did three 4 ace assembies in a
row. The premise was that it was more difficult each time.
Hamman's Final Aces uses a similar premise.
.
It was prime error at the Castle to have a film of Copperfield
performing the bill in envelope for people to see as they were
waiting to see Seabrooke. Perhaps they saw how poorly it looked
in Copperfield's hands. I performed my 3 Card Monte routine the
other night before Darwin Ortiz's lecture, not knowing he was
going to perform and explain the effect.
.
So my conclusion is to use the best effects you can find.
Certainly the classics. If audiences will be subjected to the
same trick done by someone else, I want to be sure that my
version is the better. In my area of performing I want the
effects to be different. I should be ready to drop an effect if
it conflicts with another performer on the same evening.
.
This is still a big problem.
Msg #33051 Dated 21:27:44 02-10-92 33046 <--> 33065
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: WALT ROLLINS
Thanks for the information about Walt Rollins, even though it is sad.
Msg #33053 Dated 22:53:24 02-10-92 -> 33069
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Here is David Copperfield's planned schedule for February - May:
ALABAMA Birmingham February 12
ALABAMA Huntsville March 22
ARIZONA Tempe May 18
ARIZONA Tucson May 19
CALIFORNIA Bakersfield May 3
CALIFORNIA Cupertino May 6 - May 7
CALIFORNIA Fresno May 2
CALIFORNIA Redding May 5
CALIFORNIA Riverside May 12
CALIFORNIA San Diego May 9 - May 11
CALIFORNIA San Francisco May 14 - May 16
CALIFORNIA Santa Barbara May 8
COLORADO Colorado Spring May 24
COLORADO Denver May 22 - May 23
CONNECTICUT Stamford April 2 - April 3
FLORIDA Pensacola February 11
ILLINOIS Rockford March 19
INDIANA Indianapolis February 13
INDIANA Merrillville February 14 - February 16
INDIANA W. Lafayette March 17
MARYLAND Baltimore March 31 - April 1
MASSACHUSETTS Boston March 6 - March 8
MICHIGAN Detroit April 8 - April 12
MICHIGAN Grand Rapids April 7
NEVADA Las Vegas February 19 - March 2
NEVADA Las Vegas April 15 - April 27
NEW YORK Brookville March 12 - March 13
NORTH CAROLINA Raleigh March 25
OHIO Cincinnati March 20 - March 21
PENNSYLVANIA Hershey April 5
PENNSYLVANIA Philadelphia April 4
PENNSYLVANIA Wilkes Barre March 10 - March 11
RHODE ISLAND Providence March 14 - March 15
SOUTH CAROLINA Spartanburg March 27
TEXAS El Paso May 20
UTAH Salt Lake City April 29 - April 30
VIRGINIA Fairfax March 28 - March 29
VIRGINIA Norfolk March 24
VIRGINIA Richmond March 26
WISCONSIN La Cross March 18
His television special will air on March 31 at 8:00 p.m. on CBS.
The above schedule may be subject to change (as well as subject to
transcription errors).
Note to anyone else who is performing on the road - we will be pleased
to post your schedule as well.
Msg #33054 Dated 23:57:04 02-10-92 33003 <--> 33362
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH
Was talking with Neil (Cards by Martin) Lester at the castle Fri and
he suggested using the single ply cards that are made in China. I
went down to my local 99 cent store and bought 2 packs.
.
They are really crappy cards, but burn quite well. I'll get some to
Kevin and see what the 'juice' will do to them. May have a real flash
card here after all.
Msg #33055 Dated 23:57:08 02-10-92 32996 <--> 33073
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NOTICE
They are too busy flexing (to provide the basic clock frequency) to
ward off evil spirits. I have a nice cluster that points in all
directions, that should be just right. Will UPS it up manana.
Msg #33056 Dated 23:57:11 02-10-92 32993 <--> 33074
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
It really faked me out. I knew you were gone and couldn't imagine
what kind of maintenance could be going on.
.
Gremlins from Bejing strike again !
Msg #33057 Dated 23:57:14 02-10-92
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: WHERE ARE YOU ??
Ee;
Did you get the fax I sent ? Havn't seen a log-in in a while. Are
you OK ? On the road ? Say somethin'.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #33059 Dated 23:57:20 02-10-92 33034 <--> 33070
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Heard on the news that the 5 was completely shut down due to the LA
river overflowing its banks. 30 people rescued from their cars by
fire dept. helocopters - Say What ?? This is LA not Texas !
.
The Valley is now Lake San Fernando, glug, glug ! Anaheim is on the
ocean side of the lake - no problems down here.
Msg #33060 Dated 23:57:24 02-10-92 33042 <--> 33064
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SEVERE STORMS/FLOODING
Re: Now producer
.
Producer of what ?
Msg #33063 Dated 0:04:44 02-11-92 33050 <--> 33068
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I dunno -- there are people who do classic songs, of course -- but,
unless they are the ones who made the songs famous a long time ago,
they are being consciously nostalgic, a la Harry Connick. Most modern
musical acts create their own material, and don't do anyone else's
unless they've got an exclusive on it. Given that the singers have to
create their own songs or pay someone to do it for them -- and
magicians have an endless supply of magic to draw from -- I can't see
any excuse for two performers doing the same trick. Ever. In this
sense "classic" just means a lot of people do it -- so I would avoid
the classics if at all possible, unless they passed the Steinmeyer
Test. This is: if the audience saw your version, and saw someone
else's version, would they think they were the same effect?
Msg #33064 Dated 0:45:35 02-11-92 33042 <--> 33071
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SEVERE STORMS/FLOODING
Just discovered they have a fully equipped darkroom, and el boss
sed, "you can use it any time you want, dude..." The bosses wife
interviewed me today for the Co. News... and wanted all the scoop
on me and MAGIC... NOT MAGIC! (That's secret stuff)... but then
after I did it I figured I shudda kept me hobby secret...will now
get hit by a million folks to have 'em take a card... argh...
Msg #33065 Dated 0:45:42 02-11-92 33046 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: WALT ROLLINS
I was very close to the material of Rollins... have his manuscript,
"Mountain Knavery" he had some good stuff and I understand he was
one of the Goodest of the Good guys... Mike Rogers intro'd me to
Rollins' material a looooooooooooong time ago... thanks for the
news, bad as it is...
Msg #33066 Dated 0:45:49 02-11-92 33047 <--> 33094
From: PETE BIRO
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: PAUL GERTNER
Tanks... will set the taper...
Msg #33067 Dated 0:45:51 02-11-92 33049 <--> 34149
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: CRICHTON
Who just said, "Bush should tend to his new job, selling cars and
parts to the Japanese" ??
Msg #33068 Dated 0:45:55 02-11-92 33050 <--> 33093
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
AS Ken Brooke once said, "If they've seen the rings before, they're
about to see them again!"
Msg #33069 Dated 0:45:59 02-11-92 33053 <--> 33077
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Ah, what Luck, will be home May 12 to see David Fly once again! YO.
Msg #33070 Dated 0:46:02 02-11-92 33059 <--> 33075
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Keep your boat tied up to the line between Nevada and Calif...
Msg #33071 Dated 0:46:05 02-11-92 33060 <--> 33076
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SEVERE STORMS/FLOODING
Producer of the Public Show (and other assorted shows at the PCAM
set for May 31, July 1-2-3 at Asilomar, near Monterey, Calif.
Be there or be square... yo...
Msg #33072 Dated 0:46:09 02-11-92 -> 33078
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: COMPUTERS ARGH
Ee;
I keep losing downloaded messages so I is going back to the olde
mode... log open, name file, capture, IMP to reply, send back ala
Ass kEE FILE...A RGH... just hadda laplink about 20 stories from
my big bad IBM to the Laptop A drive/Floppie disk... that will go
into the superdrive ina MAC and read it and set into Quark Typeset
pages at woik. But am here working at almost 1 ayemmm... on my
]"part time" job... the part of the time I work is while I am awake.
Agrh.l..foooo..glug glug... on hiway five... oh... hmmmm
.
Will maybe be at Castle Sunday 23 Feb... between job and airplane
ride...
This weeeekend to Wichita to fiish off plans for DS for Stevens...
will pick the 12 finalists... and set the ad plan and rules for
the 93 challenge... hohohohohohoho what fun...
.
My roof is leaking again, but it is over a set of rice bowls... hah
.
bye bye... g'nite all....
Msg #33073 Dated 1:15:38 02-11-92 33055 <--> 33108
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: NOTICE
I didn't realize that flexing (of crystals) was bad for magic -
actually, I'd assumed the reverse! Althugh I wasn't certain that the
consistent frequency was desirable.
I truly appreciate the crystal cluster. Do you suggest that it be
placed on the monitor, the CPU, the controllers, or the modems?
Msg #33074 Dated 1:18:11 02-11-92 33056 <--> 33364
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
Yeah, if I can find that %$#@! message (the Maintenance/Wait one), I'm
going to try to change it to something like "Do you want to sign on?
Yes/No" and see if that helps. As Pete Biro would say, "ARGH!"
Msg #33075 Dated 1:20:06 02-11-92 33059 <--> 33084
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Syop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Just remember, it was the Sepulveda "Recreation Area" (aka FLOOD BASIN)
that Mayor Bradley wanted to build the Olympic facilities in! Am
interested in seeing the nearby Arleta Spreading Basin (the land
surrounding the section of I-5 that is closed - I-5 runs ABOVE it)
since the Dept. of Water and Power is in the process of completing a
multi-million dollar OFFICE BUILDING in it!
Meanwhile, the rain continues (as f 1:28 a.m. Feb. 11, 1992) here in
Lake San Fernando. MAGIC! CPU and controllers are on a raised floor,
about 4" above the actual floor - hope that's enough.
Msg #33076 Dated 1:24:45 02-11-92 33064 <--> 33106
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SEVERE STORMS/FLOODING
Yeah, you shouldn't a mentioned magic! You shoulda said your hobby was
cooking.
Msg #33077 Dated 1:27:58 02-11-92 33069 <--> 33367
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Uh, I think that if you are planning to see David fly on May 12th,
you'd better be in RIVERSIDE. You might want to look at that schedule
again . . .
Msg #33078 Dated 1:29:14 02-11-92 33072 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: COMPUTERS ARGH
Sorry to hear that you are losing your downloads. I hear that they are
the second thing to go.
If you gonna be at Castle on Feb. 23rd, let me know, will try and meet
you there or something.
Have fun in Wichita - give regards to Joe Stevens (and remind him about
that OVERHEAD PROJECTOR).
Msg #33082 Dated 6:16:12 02-11-92
From: SCOTT MILLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SELECTING A VOLUNTEER
Thanks Max I was not sure where I had see it, but have used it in the
past and it worked quite well. Is it in the same notes as the "garage
sale deck"?
Scott
Msg #33084 Dated 7:44:07 02-11-92 33075 <--> 33107
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MESSAGE
The rain in this area has, for the most part, temporarily abated,
although we are still under flash flood warnings. Streets and freeways
are draining off in preparation for the second storm that is due
tonite.
But I understand that the rain is hitting your area, Orange County,
hard. Hope all is OK.
Meanwhile, they just arrested two people for underwater looting! Seems
they were diving into cars in Lake Sepulveda (aka "Sepulveda Recreation
Area," aka "Sepulveda Flood Basin").
Msg #33086 Dated 9:40:20 02-11-92 -> 33095
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ETHICS
We have received a request from one of our members for the limited
reproduction of portions of the MAGIC! discussion on Ethics. This
material would be used by a local magic group and they have
traditionally received such approval from magazines and authors in
the past.
This permission would be for a single use, and not for any
republication, with that restriction clearly stated to their
members, along with a statement that these materials are "reproduced
with the consent of the editors/publishers and author of the
articles, and all further republication or reproduction rights have
been reserved to such publications and/or persons."
I endorse their request and think it is a way to extend the
awareness of the need for ethical practices to others in the magic
community. I would like to provide them with permission, but I
would also like to make sure that doing so is in keeping with the
wishes of the members of MAGIC! Your thoughts on this matter would
be most appreciated.
Msg #33087 Dated 10:00:18 02-11-92 -> 33109
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: FAX
Fax is on it's way. Let me know if it's too light and I'll re-send a
darker copy.
From my office in Hollywood to home in Encino last night, took over 3
1/2 hours.
Msg #33089 Dated 12:01:07 02-11-92 -> 33113
Fom: JIM HOY
To: SYSOP
Re: WALT ROLLINS
Thank you for the info on "RDMAGIC," I'll DL it pronto. It is sad for
me to report that noted West Virginia magician, Walt Rollins, died
yesterday. Fought cancer for 8 years. He was one of the most talented
close-up performers I have ever had the priveledge of seeing. He will
be missed. for several years he was in the state legislature and had
dropped out of magic. Pav Vobiscum.
Msg #33090 Dated 12:21:46 02-11-92 -> 33114
From: JIM HOY
To: ALL
Re: COIN TRICK
Here's a coin trick I've been doing lately. It's not original, but I
don't know who the inventor is. I just added a chinatown half to it.
If you're looking for a magician-fooler, forget it, but if you want a
cute trick for laymen, it plays well. Enough palaver...
You need 5 coins: A regular penny, a big penny (silver dollar
size), a half dollar, a chinatown half and the chinese coin that goes
with it. all are in your left pants pocket. You right-handed guys
read "right" for "left."
The chinatown coin has the center painted to match your palm. I
used grease paint. My wife's make-up wasn't close enough.
Get the chinese coin out, fingerpalming the chinatown half. Let
people examine the coin. Point out that the hole is so they could wear
them around their neck (lets them know they can see through it without
saying so).
Take back the coin with the left hand and Bobo switch the chinatown
half as you put it into your right hand. left hand goes to pocket,
drops the chinese coin and brings out the half to be examined. Put the
half into the right hand, on top of the chinatown half, which is
chinese side up, so that the half almost covers the hole. Put both
coins into the spectators hand, have them close their hand and turn it
over. Remove the chinatown coin. The half side is up, so apparently
you have removed the half. Hocus pocus. They open their hand and you
open yours. Now they have the half and you have the chinese coin
(because you turned your coin over).
Display the chinatown coin briefly, put it back into your pocket,
fingerpalm the big penny and bring out the regular penny at your
fingertips. The half from the spectator's hand is on the table. Pick
up te half, Bobo switch it for the big penny and put the big penny
into the spectator's hand without letting them see it. (I say, "Hold
this half tightly. I'm going to steal it.") Pick up the regular penny
and Bobo switch in the half as you pretend to put the penny into your
right hand. Tell 'em their half will shrink and turn into a penny.
Nothing happens. Go into your pocket, ditch the penny and bring out
the chinese coin. Rub the back of your hand with it and then the
spectators. you open your had and show that you have the half.. They
open their hand and find the big penny. Finis!
Sounds confusing, but it's easy to do. Gets a laugh and fools
people too. A couple lines.
e lines: "Here's a Chinese coin.
It was probably made in China. Here's a half dollar. It was probably
made in Japan (Dick Stoner). " (Displaying the big penny)
"Either the penny grew or I'm shrinking (Goshman)." (Displaying the
big penny) This coin was training for the Olympics...taking steroids.
Hope you enjoy it.
Msg #33091 Dated 16:00:52 02-11-92 -> 33142
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: ZTERM VER .90
There is a new version of ZTERM out now! Want it???
Msg #33093 Dated 19:22:51 02-11-92 32952 <--> 33157
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
IN REPLY TO ETHICS AND CY KELLERS COMMENTS, I SUPPOSE I WILL THROW IN
MY TWO CENTS WORTH. WHENEVER I SEE A MAGICIAN USE ANOTHER MAGICIANS
EFFECT, RIGHT DOWN TO THE PATTER THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT, I WANT TO
STAND UP AND SCREAM "FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE ARE YOU THAT LIMITED THAT YOU
CAN'T EVEN THINK UP ORIGINAL PATTER? MAGIC IS BASED ON IMAGINATION -
SO USE SOME!" I REMEMBER AT CHRISTMAS TIME OUR RING GAVE A PARTY AND
ONE OF THE PERFORMERS DID COPPERFIELD'S RENDITION OF MR. ROGERS AND THE
BANANA ROUTINE. HAD DAVID BEEN THERE, HE WOULD HAVE DIED. FIRST WE
WENT THROUGH THE AGONY OF ALIGNING THE TAPE RECORDER AND NOT BEING ABLE
TO FIND THE START. THEN WE HAD TO ENDURE COPPERFIELD'S PATTER DONE
VERY POORLY. DAVID DOES IT SO EXTREMELY WELL AND THIS WAS POSSIBLY THE
WORST RENDITION I HAD EVER SEEN IN LIFE. TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, THE
RING REPORT THE FOLLOWING MONTH LISTED ITAS "A HYSTERICAL ROUTINE".
I WAS HYSTERICAL ALL RIGHT - IT MADE ME WANT TO OPEN A VEIN! I MAY NOT
BE THE WORLD'S BEST MAGICIAN AND AM PROBABLY GOING TO BE LISTED AS THE
WORLD'S MOST FORGETTABLE PERFORMER. BUT WHEN THEY PERFORM THE BROKEN
WAND CEREMONY OVER MY CARCASS, I HOPE TO GOD THEY AT LEAST SAY I WAS AN
ORIGINAL IN MY DELIVERY OF AN EFFECT.
Msg #33094 Dated 19:34:42 02-11-92 33047 <-
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: PAUL GERTNER
THANKS SO VERY MUCH TO EVERYONE WHO WISHED ME A HAPPY BIRTHDAY. IT
MADE IT THE BRIGHTEST BIRTHDAY I HAVE HAD IN A LONG TIME. YOU'RE ALL
TERRIFIC!
Msg #33095 Dated 19:38:04 02-11-92 33086 <--> 33115
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS
HAS ANYONE READ THE ARTICLE "HOW TO TEACH A MAGIC CLASS" IN THE
FEBRUARY ISSUE OF M.U.M.? I'D LIKE SOME COMMENTS BEFORE I COMMENT ON
MY OWN MAGIC CLASS EXPERIENCES.
Msg #33096 Dated 19:40:45 02-11-92
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: WOMEN ON THE MCN
WHILE I LOVE ALL YOU GUYS AND YOU HAVE BEEN A TERRIFIC HELP TO ME I
WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOME FEMALE MAGICIANS TOO! WHERE ARE ALL OF
YOU HIDING?
Msg #33097 Dated 19:42:15 02-11-92 -> 33116
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: DESERT MAGIC SEMINAR
IS IT TOO LATE TO SIGN UP FOR THE DESERT MAGIC SEMINAR? I AM
PARTICULARY INTERESTED IN THE BACKSTAGE TOUR WITH SIGFRIED AND ROY. I
WAS SO BUSY BOOKING TRIPS FOR MY FELLOW MAGICIANS THAT I FORGOT TO ASK
FOR MYSELF! AND I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND THE INFO ANY MORE (ON THIS DESK,
THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME!). NEED ALL INFO I CAN GET...THANKS!
Msg #33098 Dated 20:11:03 02-11-92 33043 <-
From: TABBY CRABB
To: GARY PLANTS (X)
Re: GARY PLANTS
Was just checking on you Gary. New adr is 760 Flatwoods Road
Lebanon, TN 37083 (615) 449-7385.
Geno did a good gambling lecture, sorry you missed it!!
Msg #33106 Dated 21:10:07 02-11-92 33071 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SEVERE STORMS/FLOODING
Don't those dates kinda conflict with SLC ? Did you fall into a
Xerox and make a clone of yourself so you can be at both functions ?
.
Bizarre.
Msg #33107 Dated 21:10:10 02-11-92 33084 <--> 33119
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MESSAGE
I think I need a new roof. Seems like I'm running out of buckets to
catch all the drips back in my lab.
.
Post your address again - I lost it and have a crystal cluster to
send to protect the system.
Msg #33108 Dated 21:10:13 02-11-92 33073 <--> 33120
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NOTICE
Set the cluster on the CPU box, it will broadcast throughout the
area. Need your address - Oh I said that already.
Msg #33109 Dated 21:10:16 02-11-92 33087 <--> 33112
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: FAX
Yea, Marvin mini-subs are slower that autos, 3 1/2 hrs ain't that
bad.
Msg #33112 Dated 22:33:24 02-11-92 33087 <--> 33155
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: FAX
Have been out of the office all day, but did indeed receive your fax.
It arrived fine and I really appreciate your sending it. Thank you!
AARRGGHH!! (tm - Biro) on the L-O-N-G trip home last night! I made a
survey of Lake Sepulveda and Lake Arleta today - Lake Sepulveda is
draining pretty fast, they were pulling the cars out. Lake Arleta
(about two miles from MAGIC! World Headquarters) is now several feet
deep! The new DWP building survived and is actually now directly on
the shore. The construction trailers are about half way under water.
Msg #33113 Dated 22:38:23 02-11-92 33089 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: WALT ROLLINS
Thanks for the additional information on Walt Rollins, Jim. I never
had the pleasure of seeing him perform.
Msg #33114 Dated 22:42:15 02-11-92 33090 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JIM HOY (X)
Re: COIN TRICK
Thanks for the write-up on that interesting effect, Jim! Sounds like
a fun item.
Msg #33115 Dated 22:44:15 02-11-92 33095 <--> 33125
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: ETHICS
I haven't read the article yet, Stacey. And I guess I shouldn't throw
the Ethics thread off track, but I want to thank you for arranging a
great trip for me this past weekend! The only problem we had was when
the airline lost one of our bags overnight - not your fault!
Meanwhile, everything else worked perfectly! AND you saved us MUCHO
DINERO!!!
Msg #33116 Dated 22:46:58 02-11-92 33097 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: DESERT MAGIC SEMINAR
I _think_ you can still get in on the Desert Magic Seminar (and the
special MAGIC! Second Anniversary Meeting) - call JOE STEVENS RIGHT
AWAY at 316-683-9582. Tell him you are from MAGIC! (what you call MCN)
and that you want IN.
Msg #33119 Dated 22:56:55 02-11-92 33107 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Sorry to hear about the roof. We had that a few years ago and it
caused a lot of water damage. One of the buildings at Anita's company
was closed due to 6" of water on the floor! Seems it didn't come in
the roof - it actually came in when the vacant lot next door flooded.
Msg #33125 Dated 0:24:10 02-12-92 3308 <--> 33128
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS
I have no objection to use of any messages I may have written on the
subject. Discussions of ethics in magic are rare enough -- let's
encourage them!
Msg #33127 Dated 0:20:48 02-12-92 -> 33138
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Mr. Jeff Busby is a registered member of MAGIC!, although a bout of ill
health and some personal situations have kept him from being active of
late. He provided a great deal of support and encouragement in the
early days of MAGIC! and I miss him around here a great deal.
I received a mini-catalog from Jeff today and there were some good
things in there. One was a reprint of Bart Whaley's "Who's Who In
Magic," a book that, along with T. A. Water's "Encyclopedia of Magic
and Magicians," I refer to nearly every day.
But in the description of the book is one of the oddest paragraphs I've
seen in a long time:
"You'll be intrigued by the stories of 'special people' in magic: the
midgets, dwarfs, giants, and others. You'll read about the minorities:
the women, the blacks, an the Jews (including horrifying material on
what the Nazi Holocaust did to the Jewish magicians). You'll look at
the dark side too - the transexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, cross
dressers, sadomasochists, and the womanizers."
Msg #33128 Dated 0:51:13 02-12-92 33125 <--> 33158
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ETHICS
Thank you for your support of the ethics workbook, T. A.
Msg #33130 Dated 3:41:38 02-12-92 32997 <--> 33131
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE...
David...
Were you able to make it on Tuesday. Was that you with Alfonso? My
timing was desperately off last night, and the energy was running low.
Hope to correct all the problems by this evening. If your at the Castle
tonight please intro. yourself so that I can place a face with the
name.
TONY (The Repentant One)
Msg #33131 Dated 3:44:29 02-12-92 33048 <--> 33139
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: CASTLE...
Yo Scott Man...
Cosko has not shown up as of yet (Tues.). My first show on Mon. killed,
but the second show lagged, I lost my timing because of a foul-up in an
effect. Tues. night was a blah night...audience from hell in show 1,
female heckler (which I normally destroy, but I fended her off politely
this time) in show 2 and unfortuantely I was low on energy (which is
rare for me) and the timing was again off. I know what the problem is
and it'll be corrected by tonight. Alfonso was in my first show tonight
(tues.) and I was a little apprehensive about doing my act in front of
him, considering that he is a major sleight-of-hand guy and I like
having fun and taking the easy route, which is not to say that I do
shit. Will keep you apprised of the goings on as the week progresses.
.
Alfonso told me that Mark already moved. If you have an address please
forward (phone # too!). Till later...
The ever tired, timeless and wet Tony (aka Mondo the mabo
Boy).
Msg #33138 Dated 6:44:59 02-12-92 33127 <--> 33143
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I saw a set of the referred to (in new mailer) Encyclopedic
Dictionary of Magic in mint condition not for the touted used
400 dollar price but for $125 at a book dealer's booth at Music
City. I would of picked them up except by that time I was beyond
broke.
.
Of the two books mentioned by you, I also find them useful in
doing research.
Msg #33139 Dated 12:37:22 02-12-92 33130 <--> 33148
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE...
I didn't make it to the Castle last night. I hope to make it either
tonite (Wed.) or Thurs. Am dying to see your show, but am also having
car problems (again). I will most certainly intro myself!
Msg #33142 Dated 12:55:39 02-12-92 33091 <--> 33149
From: DOC EASON
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ZTERM VER .90
you bet
I hope i can figger it ...i just got up and runnin w the first edition.
Say, I need to call you sometime late at night and run through the
unzip procedure and word...I dont know exactly when as my wife has been
confined to bed for the duration of our third pregnancy..that's about
8 weeeeks. so my time isn't really my own but let me know if theres a
good time or two.
Msg #33143 Dated 12:53:13 02-12-92 33138 <--> 33146
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I guess I will someday have to track down a set of the Encyclopedic
Dictionary.
But I do think that Jeff must have lifted that strange paragraph from
some Medieval text - to casually mention the Nazi Holocaust (which, in
addition to Jews also virtually exterminated the entire Gypsy population
along with exterminating transsexuals [Yes, Jeff, it does have two
S's], homosexuals and cross-dressers) and then to refer to sex
and gender alternatives as "the dark side" of magic is more than a bit
bizarre.
Msg #33146 Dated 14:03:04 02-12-92 33127 <--> 33150
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
That papragraph is odd only in showing Whaley's narrowmindedness and
bigotry -- in general terms, it makes fully as much sense as a lot of
what follows. You will note that there are several "lind items" in
that Intro, where Whaley does not name names -- very odd in a supposed
reference work. As you may imagine -- given Whaley's hatchet job on me
in EPOPTICA -- I am far from objective about him. I will state,
however, that he gets just about everything wrong in his entry on me
and says several other things -- both in the Intro and the body of the
work -- that are outright mistakes or deliberate falsehoods; since I
can't begin to guess at his motivations I will not speculate. I will
be happy to cite chapter and verse shold anyone be interested.
Msg #33148 Dated 14:51:25 02-12-92 33131 <--> 33178
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: CASTLE...
Like WOW dude!
You really shouldn't worry bout 'fonso, man! Like he is a bro-ham and
will to your needs reflect! Heavy! I still dont have Hovsepians new
number as of yet and there is no referral on his phone. What is to
become of Mark? Is he destined to be out of work forever? Will he
really marry Eddy's sister? Will he break down and get back into the
"real" working world instead if being a photographer? Stay tuned for
further developement on this subject. Same Bat time, Same Bat channel!
Msg #33149 Dated 14:56:13 02-12-92 33142 <-
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: ZTERM VER .90
Yo! any time after 10 pm is hunkey dorey with me! during the week I
play but come the weekends (which starts on thursday!) I am at
Carlita's till 9 pm (table floating) and you know the sats and suns are
booked during the day. With the new version of z term, I havent yet
printed out the 32 page docs that go with it. and it looks very
diffrent than the previous relese. I have this feeling I will want to
stay with .085 (presently) I find it eaiser to work with.
Scott
Msg #33150 Dated 15:03:37 02-12-92 33146 <--> 33152
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
As to both books, I am happy to admit that I did purchase the
Encyclopedia and have no desire for the Whaley book. Although, T A, you
do mention certain inaccurate listings in the Whaley book, your own
encyclopedia has several "stupid" errors. I will be happy to cite
chapter and verse should anyone be interested. But for those of you who
do have the book.....check the listing for a local guy, Paul Harris, a
simple phone call to just about anyone in the community would confirm
a date. and the data on the Herrmans could have been more complete as
well. other than that, I enjoy pulling the book out as reference
frequently!
Msg #33152 Dated 15:40:34 02-12-92 33143 <--> 33154
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Well, Jeff did move to Idaho!!
Msg #33154 Dated 15:40:43 02-12-92 33150 <--> 33160
From: TABBY CRABB
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I heard Paul Harris' new house was in the Oakland burnzone. Any
truth to this???
Msg #33155 Dated 15:55:25 02-12-92 33112 <--> 33167
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FAX
Today I had the Raging Cerritos River going by the office. I'm on
the corner of Brookhurst & Cerritos (cerritos would go right thru
Disneyland Main Street if it went thru - 1 1/2 miles due East of
here) - seems all the water from Disneyland was coming right down
Cerritos. The wakes of cars going down Brookhurst were sending waves
right up to the front door - 2 more inches and they would have been
coming right on into the office.
.
At one point I could look out the front door and couldn't see the
street or my front lawn - totally under water. I looked out the
back and couldn't see the alley. Gee I've always wanted to live on an
Island !
Msg #33157 Dated 18:39:08 02-12-92 33063 <--> 33159
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
God - I'hadn't realized that Gershwin, Rodgers and Hart et al
wrote classic songs. It's only nostalgia listening to this stuff?
These people wrote _good_ songs that every Jazz and Cabaret
performer still use. IK guess I dropped out of music when Miles
started to do fusion. Showing my age I guess.
.
I've been puzzled as to when performers had to write their own
material, and other performers "covered" the song. This as
always been a problem for me. I go my neighborhood Jazz Bar and I
see college kids listening to Ellington and Davis. I still have
hope for the future. Incidentally I've heard Cabaret performers
fo Billy Joel. People do the same material when it is good. Much
of what is done today is not in that category. If Whaley is
correct, I'm about 11 years older than you. I can't imagine that
you can really dig what is being done with music. I'll take
Sinatra , Bennett and Streisand - you can have Rose and Garcia
(not Frank - Jerry).
.
Re Steimmeyer - I don't understand his point. If I do an
original cut and restored rope trick, original in method and
presentation, I'm sure an audience would view it as the same
trick as someone doing another version. If I use a production box
created for the production of silks and produce a tiger, the
audience will percieve it as two different effects.
.
Getting to basics - isn't every restoration the same effect?
Rope, bill, necktie etc.
.
The presentation is all. No one should take the unpublished
presentation - nor published if not in one's style. I've been
approached by laymen who tell me their favorite trick is the
linking rings. Don't know why - maybe its a classic and hac
fundamental appeals. Reread Fitzkee and look at the part on
appeals.
Msg #33158 Dated 18:39:47 02-12-92 33086 <--> 33168
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS
My permission to use any of my ramblings for publication. I think
this is an important and misunderstood topic. I'd like to hear
from some others beside TA, Pete and myself on the topic. I think
its more important than lunch; or even dinner.
Msg #33159 Dated 18:39:55 02-12-92 33093 <--> 33175
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Stacey - I couldn't agree more. I've seen this kind of thing
going on, and it almost the worst. The worst? In the history of
magic there have been people who not only steal an entire act but
also a _name_. Check back on this board and read the story of
someone doing Del Ray's act at the Castle.
.
What is to be done about the problem?
.
1. I you see a flagrant example of stealing, let the person know
how you feel about it. You may become unpopular, but enough
people start complaining the perpertrators may get the point.
.
2. If you are in a club, seek out the manager and express your
displeasure of seeing the same material that you saw before.
Danger - the second person may be the original - so tread softly.
.
There may be many actions that we can take; but the thief must be
assured that copying, like crime, does not pay. Too many people
think there is nothing wrong with this kind of thing. Those who
think it unethical should show them the error.
.
However a caveat. Somehow there should be some guidelines as to
what is ethical. I think that is something that is being
discussed on MAGIC!, but it is far from being defined.
Msg #33160 Dated 18:40:23 02-12-92 33138 <--> 33161
From: CY KELLER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Tabby - The Who's Who in Busby's mailer is not, repeat _not_, The
Enclycopedic Dictonary (2 Vols). Both are of great use in
research, if onehas enough salt to take with them - more than a
grain. There are errors, but never-the-less they are a big help in
research.
Msg #33161 Dated 18:40:33 02-12-92 33146 <--> 33162
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
TA - I'm not sure Whaley is being quoted in the paragraph. There
is some anti whatever, but the "dark side" is certainly a
euphonism for the things not acceptable in straight society. He
should be congratulated for not naming too many names - that he
has done so is unforgivable. The ones he names in the
unacceptable categories all seem to be dead.
.
Perhaps we agree that the subject should not have been brought
up at all. Just the biographies - no rumors.
.
I'm interested in the mistakes he made in your Bio. I see you
write Science Fiction. My son Donald has done some work in this
field. Was with Morrow ? for a while in NY.
.
Since I've been on this board for a while and know some of the
personalities, I'm curious to know if any contributor to the
Wonder book have been removed from the new edition. Just
noseyness. No los of friendship or aquaintenceship.
Msg #33162 Dated 18:40:55 02-12-92 33150 <--> 33163
From: CY KELLER
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Scott - Every book dealing with history and facts is bound to
have errors. Books that don't have a recitation of facts have
typos. You have to be as accurate as you can without spending a
lifetime in the writing.
Msg #33163 Dated 19:21:00 02-12-92 33146 <--> 33164
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Until you mentioned the Intro, I had never noticed that there was one!
I guess I'll have to read it.
Meanwhile, the quote that I took objection to was Busby's "hype" for
the book, not the Whaley material itself. But perhaps I will take
objection to that as well, once I read it.
Msg #33164 Dated 19:22:58 02-12-92 33152 <--> 33170
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Yep, Jeff did move to Idaho. And the clean air may have done him some
good, since the 4 pager that I received was all read advertising, not
diatribe. As a matter of fact, there are a couple of items I will
probably order.
Msg #33167 Dated 19:29:18 02-12-9 33155 <--> 33182
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAX
Hope your office stays on dry land! The closest official river to
MAGIC! World Headquarters is about 3 blocks away. It is a raging
torrent right now, but still well below its banks. I'm going to risk
going out tonite - wanna see Anthony work at the Castle. Hope I can
drive home afterwards -- it is supposed to start raining again.
Msg #33168 Dated 19:32:55 02-12-92 33158 <--> 33185
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ETHICS
Thanks, Cy. I too think it is an important topic and am glad that we
have been asked to allow further discussion beyond MAGIC! I don't know
that anything will ever get "resolved" from the discussion here, but I
think that we have certainly impacted a number of people and made them
think.
Msg #33170 Dated 21:11:51 02-12-92 33160 <--> 33173
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Cy - In Busby's new mailer for The Who's Who he mentions The
Encyclopedic Dictionary as being out of print and now much more
valuable than its' asking price......this is what I was referring
to in my message to David.......Jeff was using the reference
to the higher price of the out of print Encyclopedic Dictionary
implying that the Who's Who might perhaps also appreciate. I
actually know what book the new mailer from Busby Magic was
referring to, but THANKS anyway just in case I didn't!!!
Msg #33173 Dated 23:44:39 02-12-92 33150 <--> 33176
From: T A WATERS
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I will be the first to admit that there are a number of errors in my
book -- some typos and some omissions. I would point out in partial
defense, however, that in the case of many living performers I made
repeated attempts to get the relevant information from them and was
told it would be forthcoming. Unfortunately, I had a deadline beyond
which I couldn't wait. As for completeness -- the data on just about
ANYONE I list could have been much more complete, but that was never
the purpose of the book; it was simply to give a general idea of who
they were and what they did.
Since the book's publication I have kept revising and adding to the
information, and in the fulness of time I expect to issue a revised and
updated edition.
I will say one more thing; I will match my book's accuracy against
Whaley's with no hesitation whatever.
Msg #33175 Dated 23:51:20 02-12-92 33157 <--> 33183
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
It just may be that since the most popular musician/performers of today
create their own material, and most magicians don't -- that's the
reason that there are music superstars all over the place and in magic
we only have three or four at best.
As to music -- I like John Dowland, and Vivaldi, and Emmylou Harris
and Fairport Convention and Michael Jackson and Aerosmith and Van Halen
and Nanci Griffiths and Mel Torme and Nancy Wilson and...whoever's
good, no matter what kind of music they're doing. I have no fondness
for any particular school of music, or think that jazz is neccesariloy
(pardon, necessarily) better than rock or classical better than
country. In fact, one of my favorite composers is Ennio Morricone, who
does all those terrific soundtracks; ditto Bernard Hermann.
I don't think it is possible to do a new cut and restored rope, no
matter how you do it. The Moving Knot effect -- now THERE'S a new
effect. The last time I cut and restored a rope I was fourteen -- and
I think I was tired of it then.
Msg #33176 Dated 23:59:32 02-12-92 33161 <--> 33179
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Not sure what you mean by Wonder book; please enlighten.
Msg #33178 Dated 0:04:43 02-13-92 33148 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: CASTLE...
Whas wrong wit been a fotographer? Dude....
Msg #33179 Dated 0:04:46 02-13-92 33150 <--> 33180
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
They both left me out.
Msg #33180 Dated 0:04:49 02-13-92 33154 <--> 33215
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Burned to a crisp. Gone. Zip. Nada. But it is sed he din't have
nuttin anyway.
Msg #33182 Dated 0:05:07 02-13-92 33155 <--> 33187
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FAX
And if it ain't rainin you can see dirt in the sky.
Msg #33183 Dated 0:05:10 02-13-92 33157 <--> 33184
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I get the Beattles, right? And Victor Borga.
Msg #33184 Dated 0:05:13 02-13-92 33157 <--> 33186
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Actually (I was there) what Steinmeyer said, in conversation to
the GUY ripping off the Origami Box, was, "what is different
about the box you make?" The guy said, "I found different hinges."
.
That really puzzled Jim (and me)... then on the later panel show,
at the PCAM Convention, Steinmeyer said (and I agree with him),
"To me it is different --- IF --- you can do it on THE SAME SHOW
and the audience percieves it as a different trick."
.
AS to my friend (I didn't check ages -- I could lose) T A, I don't
agree that "no one should do the same tricks"... Al Koran, Fred
Kaps, Jay Marshall, Topper Martyn, Richard Ross... all do the
Linking Rings... all different presentations... All great. All
can do them all they want as far as I am concerned... but NONE OF
THEM WOULD DO it if they were all on the same show. Or at the
Castle at the same time. Those kinda guys would work it out.
.
My lay act uses Rings, Cut Restored Rope, Egg Bag, Silk to Egg, OR
Sucker Silk, Card in Balloon. Fooey on anybody that thinks these
tricks don't work. They are, in my mind, classics, the effects
are EASY for the audience to follow and wonderful for my kind of
byplay... where the byplay is MORE IMPORTANT than the tricks. Ken
Brooke always preached to me "it is the links between the magic
tricks that MAKE AN ACT".... g'nite
Msg #33185 Dated 0:05:37 02-13-92 33158 <--> 33371
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KLLER (X)
Re: ETHICS
But not as important as Breakfast or Desert! Yo...
Msg #33186 Dated 0:05:40 02-13-92 33159 <--> 33237
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I once stood up in the audience and shouted at the guy on stage,
"Hey... knock it off, the shirt sticking out of the fly is
Johnny Thompsons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
.
Bill Wells once called an entrant to the Desert Seminar contest
to come back and try again when you don't look and act like Lance
Burton.
.
The guy got the message and I just tonite viewed his new tape and
if I can will book him for Salt Lake... He will KILL... thank god
someone had the cayonnes to call him and TELL HIM LIKE IT IS....
.
Otherwise he might be stuck in the Burton mold!
Msg #33187 Dated 0:05:54 02-13-92 33167 <--> 33190
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FAX
TV news showed tragic loss of kid that went into LA river to
retrieve his bike. The rescue guys "missed" him and he went off
in a raging river and vanished... died. ARgh forever... not good
stuff... not good at all.
.
Don't do nuttin risky, friends... nuttin...
Msg #33190 Dated 1:00:42 02-13-92 33187 <--> 33372
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FAX
I didn't see the video of the poor kid, but heard it on radio. They
say he was screaming "Help me" as he wizzed by. They are going to
search "Lake Sepulveda" tomorrow, hoping to find the body. The river,
a portion of which is about 3 blocks from MAGIC! World Headquarters, is
a RAGING TORENT. It looks like death -- it looks like the river
passing through Hell's Gate in Canada. Of course, as usual, some dudes
(and dudettes) will head out to raft it. No kiddin', we always have a
couple of people who try that.
Msg #33192 Dated 1:03:26 02-13-92 -> 33209
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Went down to the Castle tonite and never left the first floor. Spent
time with WHIT HAYDN and ANTHONY BLAKE.
Whit is an incredible performer. Everything is perfection. It is a
real joy to watch both him and the impact he has on the audience.
Personality, timing, skill, everything comes together and it is real
MAGIC. Bravo!
Anthony has taken that most brutal job in the arts upon himself - he is
pushing the very outer edges of the envelope. It is one thing to eat
a live goldfish (possibly a first for the close-up gallery!) and
another to chew on it for a long, long time. It ain't easy being out
there at the edge - it can be very cold and cruel, and they don't call
it the "bleeding edge" for nothing (ever seen a "Card Vampire"?), but
Anthony is working on it, dancing barefoot on the blade of the artistic
sabre. Keep dancin', Geekman!
Msg #33198 Dated 7:48:38 02-13-92 -> 33201
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: VALENTINES DAY
IT'S TOMORROW AND DON'T FORGET TO GET SOMETHING NICE FOR THE PERSON WHO
IS ALWAYS THERE TO APPLAUD YOUR MAGIC AND GIVE YOU THE SUPPORT AND LOVE
THAT KEEPS THIS WORLD GOING. I WISH ALL OF YOU ALL THE LOVE, MAGIC,
RAINBOWS AND UNICORNS YOUR HEART CAN HOLD. MAY THIS YEAR BRING YOU
ALL THAT YOU WISH FOR.
Msg #33200 Dated 7:55:27 02-13-92 -> 33204
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE. YOU ARE RIGHT, I WOULD BE UNPOPULAR
WITH THE RING, BUT I THINK THIS IS THE TYPE OF THING THAT REALLY NEEDS
TO BE CURTAILED. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION TO KICK AROUND. IT'S BAD
ENOUGH WHEN LESSER KNOWN MAGICIANS PLAGIARIZE BUT WHAT ABOUT THE
SUPERSTARS "BORROWING" ILLUSIONS WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE? CERTAINLY THEY
MUST MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY ANY EFFECT THEIR HEART DESIRES. SO WHY
IN GOD'S NAME AM I SEEING THINGS I HAVE SEEN IN OTHER SHOWS? CASE IN
POINT IS COPPERFIELD'S "NEW" ILLUSION. I KNOW THAT THE PENDRAGONS DID
THE IDENTICAL ILLUSION ON TELEVISION BECAUSE I HAVE THE TAPE! TO MAKE
MATTERS WORSE, IN COPPERFIELD'S FAN CLUB NEWSLETTER, THERE IS A CONTEST
TO "NAME THE NEW ILLUSION"!!!! I HAVE A NAME FOR IT. HOW ABOUT "AS
PERFORMED BY THE PENDRAGONS"? I CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS AT ALL. mAYBE
I AM DENSE OR MISSING AN IMPORTANT POINT, AND IF I AM WILL SOMEONE
PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME AS TO WHAT IT IS?
Msg #33201 Dated 8:22:17 02-13-92 33198 <--> 33203
From: MIKE KING
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: VALENTINES DAY
Happy Valentine's Day!!!!
Msg #33203 Dated 8:38:26 02-13-92 33198 <--> 33219
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: VALENTINES DAY
You too, Stacey! Have a GREAT Valentine's Day!
Msg #33204 Dated 8:46:56 02-13-92 33200 <--> 33227
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Cooperfield's use of that illusion is totally legal. The Pendragons
bought it, and he did as well.
By the way, Stacey, a small hint - turn your CAPS LOCK off. Otherwise
it looks like you are "shouting."
Msg #33205 Dated 10:42:16 02-13-92 -> 33229
From: MARVIN STERN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABLES
Just received the nice looking brochure on the Classic Table. Good
luck and let's hope you sell dzs of them.
By the way, who is this guy Biro, that you keep referring to in the
brochure?
TA must be glad that he'll be getting out of the library for a while in
Jan.
Msg #33209 Dated 11:47:43 02-13-92 33192 <--> 33221
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
David (and the rest of the MAGIC! gang)...
.
First off, it was nice finally meeting our sysop. You are the
kind of person I can spend all day talking to. I appreciated our
talk after my 11:30 show. Your review I feel is right on target.
.
My act is more performance art than straight magic. I agree with
you on the point that the audience most of the time has no point
of reference...they expect cute little bunnies and card tricks
and then this guy comes out, eats goldfish, coughs up a rat and
drinks the blood from the pip of a card.
.
My intent in this show is to try to test new bounderies. I am
consistently bored by conventional magic as it is performed my
many so called "magicians". I am intrigued by "different
thinking" and believe that the world would be a much different
place if they were to accept the unexpected and not follow in
rote. I believe that one of the reasons America is in such dire
straits is because we have become a nation of followers and not
leaders, and this is also true of magic. Think about how many
times you have seen the same effect (card warp, professors
nightmare, matrix) at the Castle, performed by different people,
yet doing the same exact routine with the same exact patter.
.
In past messages on this system I have stated that my thinking
is off-beat and unconventional, that I like to stick out like a
bad thumb tip. I agree with you that I have taken an extremely
brutal task upon myself, and that I may be crucified for my
thinking, but lets also remember that unconventional thinking,
while carrying a heavy price tag (psychologically, spiritually
and physically) is the basis for some of the greatest
revelations in history...ie: Copernicus, Galileo, Einstein,
Edison, Fermi, etc. This is not to say that I will somehow
change the course of magic or that I will be remembered for
being a "great" performer or thinker, but within myself, I will
be satisfied and gratefull for attempting the unthinkable and
striving for something that I feel is important.
.
I am taking your advice and "re-framing" the audience at the
beginning of the show, giving them some legs for the table that
is the show and allowing them to relate much more to what is
going on. Using my storytelling skills I will explain a bit more
about the sideshows of old and how they are not seen any longer
and let them know that what they are seeing they will want to
believe as real but in fact is not.
.
I appreciate you coming in last night and the opportunity to
have both met and talked to you concerning this and many other
subjects. I know that we will continue to have many more
"theoretical" discussions in the future... Till the next time...
The One, The Only....
THE GEEKMAN! (aka Bleedo the Razor Walker)
Msg #33215 Dated 15:35:58 02-13-92 33154 <--> 33216
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Yep. Get more from the Biro-san. I dont know him personally, just the
location.
Msg #33216 Dated 15:37:09 02-13-92 33162 <--> 33217
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
a lifetime of your friends or aquaintences should help provide you with
accurate information about the living and there are several living
historians who would have been delighted to provide text.
Msg #33217 Dated 15:39:25 02-13-92 33173 <--> 33218
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I look forward to a second volume of your Encyclopedia. Whaley on the
other hand is probibly a witch hunt guide.
Msg #33218 Dated 15:41:08 02-13-92 33179 <--> 33231
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
They both left me out too! and to the photographer quip...nothing is
wrong IF YOU GOT THE WORK. Marky dont!
Msg #33219 Dated 15:43:34 02-13-92 33198 <--> 33220
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: VALENTINES DAY
It's also my Birthday!!!!
Msg #33220 Dated 15:44:00 02-13-92 33198 <--> 33224
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: VALENTINES DAY
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Msg #33221 Dated 15:43:48 02-13-92 33209 <--> 33230
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
I certainly agree with you about the need for challenges to convention.
I've billed myself for years, in certain circles, as a "dinosaur
kicker." But it is not an occupation without its concerns -
eventually, the dinosaur may turn around and bite your head off!
I think you have a couple of great objectives in what you do - to
challenge the audience and to reacquaint them with the role of the
Geek. A nice combination (seriously) of working to move art forward
and retaining a respect for the past. Of the small number of people
who are leaders rather than followers, too many take either one tack or
the other and never perceive the importance of both.
But a friend of mine once said, "Aircraft carriers are huge; they turn
VERY slowly. Do you know how glad the cooks are???" When you take
them into the unknown, audiences need something to continue to cling to
-- you have to let them keep their security blankets! I think you have
a strong concept in your act, but I think you have to leave a couple of
rocks for the audience to crawl under! Keep smoothin' the edges and I
think you will come out with something powerful.
Msg #33224 Dated 17:28:20 02-13-92 33198 <--> 33242
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: VALENTINES DAY
In honor of St. Valentine... I personally invented a new trick, and
routine to go with it for a very special person. I also plan to do
a variation of the same trick for myself. It is a secret. The effect
and the person. Hah. No ARgh on this one... YO!
Msg #33227 Dated 17:28:32 02-13-92 33200 <--> 33228
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
If you get Copperfield's News... why don't you write a personal
letter to the MAN himself and see what HE says.
Msg #33228 Dated 17:28:36 02-13-92 33204 <--> 33232
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
By the way, David. If you are dry tomorrow, yo will have a nice
Valentine's day. I will be in airplanes all day... ARgh... 7 am
departure for the home of the Wizard of Oz... or is it Ahs? ARgh..
Msg #33229 Dated 17:28:40 02-13-92 33205 <--> 33244
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: TABLES
Every time El Tab mentions my name I get 85 cents royalty.
Msg #33230 Dated 17:28:43 02-13-92 33209 <--> 33233
From: PETE BIRO
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
If yu can, get your show taped. And I don't mean Adhesive. hah...
Even Audio will help you. But a Vid would be wonderful remembrance
and Study vehicle. Wish I could come seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
.
I just watched (last night) a tape of a very funny act of magic
done by a dude dressed as a lady... in a club for those kinds of
folks... wonder how I can slip him/her into an IBM show... har!
Msg #33231 Dated 17:28:52 02-13-92 33218 <--> 33236
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Marky Post? The nicest body on TV... hey, I know her secretary!
Msg #33232 Dated 17:55:40 02-13-92 33228 <--> 33243
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
I'm hoping (er, for a Frog, is that hopping?) for a nice Valentine's
Day. Right now, they are predicting ANOTHER STORM for tomorrow! Have
fun hobnobbing with your fellow Wizards. Make some good choices and
don't forget the OVERHEAD PROJECTOR.
Msg #33233 Dated 17:58:39 02-13-92 33230 <--> 33234
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Pete -
IBM could use a shock! Just DO IT.
Msg #33236 Dated 20:19:16 02-13-92 33170 <--> 33238
From: CY KELLER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Tabby - My apology - It was I who misread the mailer and your
comment. Some people may be asking $400 - others may not have
caught up to the news of rarity and one can pick up a bargain.
Msg #33237 Dated 20:19:23 02-13-92 33175 <--> 33239
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
TA - don't agree at all that originality is what makes the
musicians superstars. I don't think I've heard Torme do anything
original unless it was the Christmas Song. The arrangements and
talent of course carry him above others.
.
I certainly like some of the people you list, but must say
that your interest is wider than mine. This is surely a comment
on my narrowness.
.
An audience does not resent hearing, or seeing something
repeated. I'm often asked for certain items. Music sometimes has
no appeal until the third or fourth hearing. Then the complexity
of the piece shows itself. What would happen if one of the
popular superstars did a concert of completely new material?
There would probably be a riot. They came to hear their
favorites. That could be why some lip sinc.
.
Agree that most Rope tricks loo the same, but it is a small
part of the public that has seen one. As magic fans, as well as
performers, we see too many of the same things. To translate that
to the view of the general public is a mistake. I hear magicians
yell "Not another 4 Ace trick". How many lay people have seen
even one?
Msg #33238 Dated 20:19:51 02-13-92 33176 <--> 33250
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Busby has reissued, or re-avertized, the Tommy Wonder book. His
former wife is mentioned several times as being involved in the
publication. I know you were involved in the personal mess, so
womdered if you had a comment.
Msg #33239 Dated 20:19:59 02-13-92 33184 <--> 33240
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Pete - "The same show", makes more sense of the comment. Abbotts
advertized a platform which could conceal a person in a number of
effects. OK - so you vanish someone early in the the show and
later use the apparatus for a production later. Different
effects? I think so.
.
Agree on the classics. I was amazed to see a probably
sophisticated adult audience completely devistated by the Egg
Bag. Your point of being easy to follow is certainly one of the
things that makes a classic. There are other points, of course.
If you look at the classics - almost all of them are repeat
effects - routines. Binarelli makes the same point in his book.
repetition is a major component in _any_ art.
Msg #33240 Dated 20:20:16 02-13-92 33186 <--> 33254
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Maybe this is the best way to start. Everytime we see a copy -
let the person know. The performer may not know that it is not
only unethical but holding back their development.
.
There is something else to consider. Almost all artists start out
with a mentor or role model(hate the phrase). I still look at a
trick and visualize it as Vernon or Johnny Thompson would do it.
Mike Ammar might add something about Stone and the Master Mind
idea.
.
Remember when everyone took the Chavez course and then the great
ones became original.
.
Look, in all the arts, if something is popular, you see lots of
copies of the style. Slasher movies, Rap etc. So something must
be a more exact copy of something else to be an ethical problem.
The great Houston "Maltese Falcon" was not the first time the
book was done as a movie; I think it was the third. I'm glad
Houston decided it could be done again.
Msg #33241 Dated 20:20:39 02-13-92 33192 <--> 33245
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
How the hell could you navigate in that storm to go to the
Castle? From the description, no one could move. I hope Blake
appreciated what you went through to see him.
Msg #33242 Dated 20:20:47 02-13-92 33198 <--> 33290
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: VALENTINES DAY
I did get something for my main sqeeze. Thanks for the reminder.
Msg #33243 Dated 20:20:52 02-13-92 33200 <--> 33262
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Very interesting comment on the Copperfield/Pendragon effect.
Perhaps TA would like to comment. If the greats do this kind of
thing, do lesser beings deserve to be criticised?
Msg #33244 Dated 20:21:00 02-13-92 33205 <--> 33251
From: CY KELLER
To: TABB CRABB (X)
Re: TABLES
Marvin stern mentions a brochure on the tables. Can I get one?
15 Charles Plaza Apt. 1106
Baltimore MD 21201.
Msg #33245 Dated 20:21:07 02-13-92 33209 <--> 33253
Fro: CY KELLER
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
I must be missing something - like witnessing the performance -
but how can I be entertained by something I keep closing my eyes
to avoid watching? I have never understood performance art
anyway. I guess I'm getting older than I think. However, some of
my children enjoy being grossed out.
Msg #33246 Dated 20:25:39 02-13-92
From: MARVIN STERN
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABLES
No need to thank me for mentioning the brochure, after which Cy Keller
asked for one.
O' yes. We talked a long time ago, before your move, that you might be
able to send me a Houdini postcard. If so, great. If it's a problem,
don't worry, you don't have to give back the rabbit pin.
Good luck with the tables.
Msg #33247 Dated 20:28:45 02-13-92 -> 33416
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: FRI
Going to be there Fri noon?
Msg #33250 Dated 21:16:52 02-13-92 33236 <--> 33252
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I sort of regret that I didn't go ahead and try to get the
Ency. Dict. from H&R but I couldn't justify it at the time. I
really like having eclectic reference material around and certainly
could put the books to good use. Charlie and Richard gave me a
copy of TRIX & CHATTER by Dorny which I am currently enjoying!!
Are there any more Baltimore IBM 1991 posters laying around town?
I am down to only one left and would like to get some more. They
6 bucks each at the conv.
Msg #33251 Dated 21:17:00 02-13-92 33244 <--> 33264
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: TABLES
Really more like a flyer, but on the way to you Monday.
Msg #33252 Dated 22:07:02 02-13-92 33231 <--> 33260
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Nope, posted Marky. I really did enjoy Ms. Post in the Fall Guy. and in
the early Night Court episodes. When you gonna go to Carlita's????
Msg #33253 Dated 22:09:44 02-13-92 33230 <--> 33265
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Didn't Jim Bently do something like that at the Castle some months
back?
Msg #33254 Dated 22:14:06 02-13-92 33240 <--> 33259
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
My role models (hate the phrase) were Don Lawton, Billy McComb, Albert
Goshman and Arnold First. I never really met any of them untill I
joined the castle, but I was reading the Kid Stuff series and other
material from the Magic, Inc. publishers. The Chavez folks never took
my breath away. After watching Dale Salwak (spelling?) several times
than a Chavez student after.....no more originality than what the
Masters had set as a guide. But who works more? Those who talk or those
who do? If it works....adapt to your style, but dont do the same
verbatum. It will never work in the long run.
Msg #33259 Dated 22:56:00 02-13-92 33237 <--> 33266
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
It is interesting that in citing a star you name Mel Torme; I
personally think Torme is a great artist, but he is a person who became
a star a generation ago. Most rockers and pop singers I know of indeed
do their old songs -- the audience wants to hear them -- but these are
THEIR songs. Performers don't cover contemporary music as was the
custom twenty or thirty years ago, unless they are doing specifically
a nostalgia album.
What with TV, and the current popularity of magic, a lot of people
have seen a lot of magic -- but that really isn't my point in all this;
it is that there is no good reason to do effects others are using, anda number of reasons NOT to. I want people who see me perform to feel
that they have never seen anyone do the things I do. I can do the cups
and balls, and c&r rope, and ring on wand -- but why on earth would I
want to?
Msg #33260 Dated 23:01:55 02-13-92 33238 <--> 33261
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I do not know the circumstances of his arrangement with Wonder, as to
just what his rights are. It would be interesting to note, all things
considered, whether (a) Tommy knows the book is being reissued and (b)
what he thinks about it. There will soetimes develop situations --
and I don't know that this is one -- where a person may have a legal
right to publish, but not necessarily a moral one; the business of the
Ken Brooke book comes to mind. This is, however, all speculation until
we hear from Tommy.
Msg #33261 Dated 23:06:34 02-13-92 33218 <--> 33271
From: T A WATERS
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I should mention that there is no listing in my Encyclopedia for T. A.
Waters...
Msg #33262 Dated 23:15:14 02-13-92 33200 <--> 33263
From: T A WATERS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
The point is that 500-pound gorillas sit anywhere they want.
Copperfield bought the illusion from Steinmeyer as did the Pendragons,
and he certainly has the right to do it. Whether it is the kind of
illusion he should do is another question. If you have been reading my
posts you know how I stand on two performers doing the same effects.
As to magical superstars copping material -- yes, it does happen,
sometimes with the creator being offered "take it or leave it" minimal
payment, and sometimes not even that. The end result is that there are
a number of creators who simply will not talk to such people regarding
effects; they'd rather the stuff languishes in a notebook than be
ripped off. So the superstar doesn't have the original illusion he
might have -- and doesn't much care. The funny thing is that some of
these guys are in tax brackets so high, and fees to creators are
totally deductible, that this stuff wouldn't cost them a penny -- but
they may think that if they pay someone it's admitting that they aren't
creative geniuses all by themselves. I dunno; this is one I have never
really been able to figure out.
Msg #33263 Dated 23:22:40 02-13-92 33243 <--> 33270
From T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Anybody doing this kind of thing deserves to be criticized; that they
may not be doing it as successfully is no amelioration of the offense.
Msg #33264 Dated 23:24:48 02-13-92 33205 <--> 33286
From: T A WATERS
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: TABLES
Getting out of the library????? Wha?????
Msg #33266 Dated 23:40:48 02-13-92 33237 <--> 33267
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Much of what you say, I agree with. No, tho... rope tricks can be
very different... too tired tonite and gotta get up at five ayem
to catch a plane to Joe Stevens' joint in the morning.... will NOT
TAKE COMPUTER WITH ME... Can't afford phone bills. ARghj...
Msg #33267 Dated 23:40:53 02-13-92 33239 <--> 33268
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Simplicity is the Keynote to Success... has always been my Credo.
Whatever credo means...
Msg #33268 Dated 23:40:57 02-13-92 33240 <--> 33274
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
My roll models were Jay Marshall, Ballantine and Roy Benson... but
only stole from Jay (the rings) but when my book comes out I bare
all, tell why, when and how I discovered THOU SHALT NOT STEAL...
.
Comic does a line... "I stole the bible from the hotel... a couple
of weeks later I read the part that says 'thou shalt not steal'...
dummies... if they had put that in the front of the book, I wouldn't
have stolen it...."
Msg #33269 Dated 23:41:06 02-13-92 33241 <--> 33273
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Lichtman owns a 4wd Jeep with Goodyear tires on it... can't be
in trouble no matter what...
Msg #33270 Dated 23:41:10 02-13-92 33243 <--> 33829
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Many books tell of Keller, Thurston, et al in that era, sneaking
into theaters and measuring illusions... So... the first big time
role models were creeps... so whadya expect...
Msg #33271 Dated 23:41:15 02-13-92 33250 <--> 33272
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Post the Poster message to Nagel and Wells... they got em...
Msg #33272 Dated 23:41:18 02-13-92 33252 <--> 33276
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I dunno... this new day job has me so wiped out at night I just
eat, xxxx and sleep, then go to work...
Msg #33273 Dated 23:41:21 02-13-92 33253 <--> 33279
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
I dunno, who's Jim Bentley? Jim Rolls with a cheap grill?
Msg #33274 Dated 23:41:24 02-13-92 33254 <--> 33275
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
WHOA DUDE.... WHOA.... Chavez Course... ORIGINAL CAST... BEN AND
MARION... Produced CHANNING POLLOCK, DON ALAN, NORM NIELSEN, and
others... VERY ORIGINAL... each in own way, after learning the
basic crap. But Benny worked with them, in a classroom setting,
rehearsals, study, practice... just like going to ballet classes
every day. The current is a mail order system... so you produce
clones... then they got to go farther to get their real training.
.
Frankly, the workshop school study thing is something I would love
to put together.
.
Last night with two magic friends (one was Jade) we watched about
50 magic acts and while doing so I came up with about 4 new illusion
ideas... Some gag versions of others... like new sub trunk idea.
.
A gets in trunk. B on top. Cloth up and the change is INSTANT...
but people are the same only their clothes change...
.
Levitation. Instead of hoop you bring out a 7 foot long clear
tube, 2 feet in diameter. It actually floats onstage from one side
to other over floateee and away you go...
.
Dancing cane... my new way you walk away and cane keeps dancing.
.
You actually stick the cane into a little shoe with taps on it
and it tap dances.
.
More? No, buy the book.
.
My new misers dream concept... will fool all. Going to do this
weekend at Joe Stevens' Is a comical close up version... that
has potential to point I will NOW OPEN WITH IT... GREAT SET UP
FOR LETTING PEOPLE KNOW TO TIP YOU (restaurant scene)!
.
More? No, too tired... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Msg #33275 Dated 23:41:58 02-13-92 33259 <--> 33285
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Why not? If you do them to the point that they are unique... Look
at Rene Lavand... takes the 2 in the hand 1 in the pocket and
destroys the crowd with it...
.
This time TA -- I can't agree with you. I still like you... but
think you miss this time (My humble opinion...)
Msg #33276 Dated 23:42:06 02-13-92 33260 <--> 33277
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Not sure, but when Jeff was packing to move, they found a stack of
the Wonder books... so, I am just figuring he decided to run the
ad to remind folks... I was in their place the last couple of days
to get a few things that I wanted that aren't available elsewhere.
And since Jeff and I go back to Grammar School, felt it ok to visit
one final time...as I don't figger I will go to Idaho...
Msg #33277 Dated 23:42:13 02-13-92 33261 <--> 33284
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
You should list T A, after all, the Castle Libray Curator is a
very important position and one worth noting for future references.
.
Only had a brief peek in, but looks like you have done a great job.
Hope to pop down next weekend, maybe brunch sunday??? Depends on
my workload in San Diego and the water level!
Msg #33278 Dated 23:42:20 02-13-92 -> 33287
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: LIPTOP
Ee;33261
DECDED TO PACK LIGHT and not taking computer to Joe's... that way
will anticipate great load of messages when I get home... Bringing
warm wool sweater, gloves, hat, etc. instead. And a stack of video
tapes and my MANUSCRIPT for my book, which weighs more than any
computer!
.
I FOUND ANOTHER WHOLE FOLDER FULL OF FRED KAPS ETTERS... AND A
HUGE, HUGE, HUGE BOX OF LETTERS FROM KEN BROOKE AND TERRY SEABROOKE
TODAY... YOWSAH...
.
SOME INCREDIBLE INFO.... WOWZOOOOOOOOOO
Msg #33280 Dated 0:15:00 02-14-92 33269 <--> 33298
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Pete's got the answer - I really do have 4-WD Jeep Wrangler with
Goodyear tires. Thing will climb straight up a wall or go thru a
couple of feet of water with no effort. Just as long as I don't fall
into the river itself, I can go anywhere in that thing.
Msg #33284 Dated 0:18:42 02-14-92 33146 <--> 33293
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Thanks for putting me on to the Whaley Intro. I found it most
interesting that he apparently credits you, anonymously and
backhandedly, as the inspiration for his book.
Msg #33285 Dated 0:23:41 02-14-92 33274 <--> 33294
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Wow!, Biro! That is GREAT STUFF! I love the Levitation and the
Dancing Cane! Matter of fact, I love 'em so much I'm having 'em built!
Guess you won't mind, since we perform in different parts of the state.
Msg #33286 Dated 0:25:58 02-14-92 33244 <--> 33297
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABLES
Hey, Tab! I want one o' them brochures too! Really! Postal mail is
OK, but you can also fax to me (9 a.m. to 9 p.m. weekdays) at
818-896-3967.
Msg #33287 Dated 0:29:44 02-14-92 33278 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LIPTOP
Can't believe you went to Joe's with no computer! Sheesh!
The find of the letters (Kaps, Brooke, Seabrooke) is TERRIFIC! We need
to get that project back on track, maybe after DMS?
Msg #33290 Dated 0:54:53 02-14-92 33198 <-
From: FRANK ZAK
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: VALENTINES DAY
Stacey
y,If no one else wishes you a HAPPY VALENTINES DAY, at
least I hope Cupid brings you everything you want.
Happy Valentines Day
Frank
Msg #33293 Dated 1:59:19 02-14-92 33277 <--> 33301
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Waters receding (not T A, the rain) - brunch the 23rd sounds good -
anyone else ??
.
I just got Busby's flyer and am thinking about the Grismer Punch -
is it worthwhile for a klutzy thumb flicker like me ??
.
Also looking at the Gaetan pin gaff - any comments. Bizarre.
Msg #33294 Dated 1:59:23 02-14-92 33237 <--> 33295
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
You hit on a very interesting point. Most non-magician people I come
in contact with are not well versed in simple effects like cut and
restored ropes, sponge balls, etc. I think sometimes we forget how
little magic MOST people have seen.
.
Most people know who DC is, many know Sigfried & Roy - but how many
have ever heard of Johnny Thompson or Dai Vernon. Most people I see
at the castle have absolutely no idea who thery are. They are also am
azed at the simplest magic IF IT IS DONE WELL. I have had several peo
ple ask me how I learned magic, when I tell them I was 9 yrs old and
got books from the public library - they can't believe it !
Msg #33295 Dated 1:59:29 02-14-92 33239 <--> 33329
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
The rule of three isn't just a good idea it's based on sound
psychological principles. Repetition is at the heart of magic.
Do it once get their attention. Do it a second time to convince them
what they saw the first time really happened. Do it third time to
really blow their minds.
Msg #33297 Dated 1:59:37 02-14-92 33244 <--> 33328
From: JERRY BURTON
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ABLES
Me too - brochure for tables.
10471 S. Brookhurst St.
Anaheim, CA 92804
Msg #33298 Dated 4:02:20 02-14-92 33230 <--> 33299
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Pete...
You would not have believed my 10:30 show last night. I had sitting in
the front row two young women, rather pretty and from first impression
proper. Shortly before my show began, as I was peeking through the
curtain to get a scope of the audience, I noticed that the women were
occasianally fondling each other, and not in a "friendly woman-like
way" but in a sexual vain. As my show progressed these two women
proceeded to "pet" each other and deeply kiss each other. Here were two
lesbians going at it during my show!
.
Needless to say that it was a major task in keeping my focus on what I
was doing, especially with the beginnings of a "porno" flick" happening
before me. Barring some major occurance, this will most likely be the
most memorable thing about my week at the Castle.
.
After the show they approached me and told me a little about themselves
and that they were on a date! The funny part is that as they were
leaving the show one of them asked me if she could do or get anything
for me....I asked her for a video!
.
You never know...
TONY (aka Turgid the Pogo Boy)
Msg #33299 Dated 4:12:36 02-14-92 33245 <--> 33333
From: ANTHONY BLAKE
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Cy...
By your message I cannot discern whether you saw the show or not. The
show is not a "gross-out" but it is not your conventional sponge bunny
and pick-a-card magic act either.
.
While my outlook on this performance (what I like to call Magic
Theater) maybe somewhat different than the usual "crap" that is heaped
on us with the tag of magic on it, it is not so far off base nor out of
reach that I cannot be honed into a compact, tight and extremely
enjoyable piece.
.
I have read over and over again, both here and in a wide range of magic
journals that we are not progressing with our art and that is
repetative at best. Yet whe something different and unusual is
attempted everyone screams "bloody murder", mainly because people are
afraid of change and those who are willing to taking risks. One of my
magic role models is Harry Anderson...and although he is very popular
now, ten years ago the same complaints I am hearing now was heard by
them (and Biro can probably attest to this). You see, Harry was
changing the view of magic, and his routines with both the Guinnea Pig
and the Needle-Through-The-Arm were not at first well recieved. But
Harry did not give up. The same can be said about Penn & Teller (even
though the magic community hate them for other reasons).
.
While I have heard some complaints the overall comments are quite
positive, and in fact my first two show last night elicited extremely
good reviews...one of them being from Billy McComb who was worried
about what had been said of the show and sat in on my 11:30
performance. After the show he told me that he saw nothing wrong and
that I should keep on moving forward, that he enjoued the show and
found it extremely funny, touching and though provoking.
.
As I always say, "To each his own." And I will never allow anyone to
take away my "own".
Tony
Msg #33301 Dated 7:26:25 02-14-92 33293 <--> 33330
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Pete -
Are you talking about being here on the 23rd?
Msg #33302 Dated 7:50:50 02-14-92 -> 33345
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: CAPS LOCK
Okay, I turned the caps lock off! Jeez, when I do something right no
one remembers, when I do something wrong, no one forgets...
Msg #33306 Dated 8:01:11 02-14-92 -> 33334
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ETHICS
Re: MORE ETHICS
I have never questioned the fact that Copperfield or any other magician
had the RIGHTS to use any illusion he felt like using. My point was,
and still is, that David is a creative genius, a very talented and
versatile performer. To use, borrow, buy - whatever the term, an
illusion that has been seen before, especially by someone of his
caliber seems a little ludicrous. Would you expect Michaelangelo to
have painted a duplicate of the Mona Lisa?
And I am not bashing Copperfield, so please don't try and put that one
off on me. For the record, I think David has brought the art of magic
to it's highest level and he deserves everything he has ever gotten
from magic. But I know David personally, and if I seem to be saying
something negative, it is because I know what he is capable of.
Perhaps I put him on too high an pedestal, because when he does
something that I have to wonder about, I get annoyed because I know
that he can work sheer miracles with magic. So in that sense, I do
expect more from him than others. Besides, and all you guys can scream
if you feel like it, but I am a woman and these things matter.
Copperfield has a terrific butt!!!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!
Msg #33309 Dated 8:17:28 02-14-92 -> 33452
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD SHOW, SAN DIE
Any and all magicians who are coming to San Diego to see Copperfield on
May 9-11 at Spreckles are cordially invited to my house for dinner
before the show, and let me tell you I am one terrific cook! Stop by,
meet a whole family of magicians, pig out, and we'll all go to the show
together!
Msg #33317 Dated 14:03:01 02-14-92
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: VEGAS
Frank:
Thanks for showing Ken around. He thinks you're great! I told him
that "OK" would be good enough. Anyway, I do appreciate it. Taking him
to meet Skinner made his day. Talk with you soon.
Msg #33321 Dated 19:47:30 02-14-92 -> 33326
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I recall, with a sense of almost mystical wonder, the
first time I witnessed a full stage magic show . It
was a school show, very likely someone famous (at least
to magicians), but I was too young at the time to
recall the name. This was BEFORE the age of seven,
before that first Mysto magic set. The only effect
that sticks in my memory is that of a girl being shot
from a cannon into a next of boxes. In my memory, I
can believe that actually I saw her fly into the boxes.
There was also a circus about that time which featured
two people being shot from a cannon and landing in a
net. As my faulty memory recalls, they first flew
through the air and landed in the net, as expected.
Then they climbed back into the cannon and were shot
out again. But this time, at the apex of their arc,
they vanished, or, rather, disintegrated into sparkle
dust. Whether this actually happened, or whether it is
something I merely dreamed as a child, I have no idea.
But I do recall the emotion of what I THOUGHT I saw,
the emotion of having seen real magic. It's something
akin to seeing your first shooting star. It is
something REAL, and you have just seen it happen before
your eyes. I am happy to report that I have
experienced this profound emotion once again, something
I honestly never thought would happen. Last night, at
Clowes Memorial Hall in Indianapolis, I saw David
Copperfield fly. Never mind that 40 years of being "in
magic" told me that I was just watching a trick. David
made it look real, he made it look like the flying
dreams I used to have. The best moment for me was when
he swooped low, inches off the floor, in what seemed
like perfect control over gravity. It was real.
Heartiest congratulations to David and to John Gaughan
for creating such a truly emotional moment.
I had planned to post a complete review of the show,
but Bill Larsen just did this admirably in the current
GENII. Last night's show stuck closely to that
described by Bill. The only difference is that David
ended with the flying -- he didn't do the Twisted Girl
or vanishing motorcycle. I'm glad he didn't. Anything
else would have been anticlimactic. Of course, one
tends to think on method after a day of reflection. I
immediately looked up what I decided had to be the
method, indeed what Pete Biro called an old method.
But the more I am convinced that I know the basic
method, the more I am baffled by the details. Also, I
was sitting in the last row of the third balcony, well
above the top of the curtains, and the effect looked
perfect from that near bird's eye view. I realize that
many of you saw the show in L.A., and that the rest of
you can look forward to next month's TV special. But
if aren't from L.A., and the stage show is coming
anywhere near you, go see it. Don't pass this up. It
is unlikely that you will see anything else as magical
in your life.
Msg #33323 Dated 20:28:02 02-14-92 -> 33325
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: CAPS LOCK
Am I forgiven for leaving the caps lock on yet? I do have an excuse!
I am a travel agent and my Sabre system has to have caps lock on to
work properly. All day long on Sabre and coming home to a brand new
computer (I have had it ten whole days) and...well...I am new at this,
so please don't lock me in a trunk and throw the key away just yet.
So, forgive me just this once...please????
Msg #33325 Dated 21:29:20 02-14-92 33323 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAPS LOCK
All is forgiven, Stacey -- you can come home now. Besides, you're
supposed to know how to get out of locked trunks.
Msg #33326 Dated 22:48:07 02-14-92 33321 <--> 33347
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Thank you for that beautiful review of Copperfield's Flying, Steve. As
you know, I agree. In a way, I'm concerned about how it will
translate to television - guess we'll have to wait and see. Meanwhile,
it really is worth experiencing live.
Msg #33328 Dated 23:12:00 02-14-92 33286 <--> 33831
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABLES
Printed the faxe you send me today (thanks!) and I got one nice page
with the description, special offer, etc. The other page looked like
you sent me a faxe of a sheet of carbon paper. Was that what it was
supposed to be?
Msg #33329 Dated 0:00:07 02-15-92 33275 <--> 33369
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Of course, Pete, i you do something to the point that it is unique,
which means one of a kind, you're doing exactly what I suggest...
Msg #33330 Dated 0:01:12 02-15-92 33277 <--> 33331
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I wasn't the Castle Librarian at the time I wrote the book, and am not
sure that is a claim to fame; anyway, I don't think texts should be
vehicles for self-aggrandizement, a view which I suppose is curiously
old-fashioned.
Msg #33331 Dated 0:02:42 02-15-92 33284 <--> 33355
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
It is interesting that he cites me in about 80% of his entries, but
either didn't read or didn't understand them. It is difficult to image
how he could have made some of his errors had he given my book even a
cursory examination. Just a couple of days ago someone pointed out to
me his entry on the Dye Tube -- which he gets wrong -- in which he says
among other misinformation that it is a version of the Phantom Tube! It
is clear Whaley did a tremendous amount of work; it is also clear that
he understood very little of his subject. Mine is, of course, hardly
an objective viewpoint -- but it's a view shared by many.
Msg #33333 Dated 0:10:29 02-15-92 33299 <--> 33343
From: T A WATERS
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
An interesting example of the kind of thinking you discuss has been
going on in England for a while; there is a very non-trad series called
THE SECRET CABARET (recently discussed in Allen's MAGIC), which has
come in for a lot of criticism from some of the more conservative
elements of the magic community. One of the problems with magic is
that in many ways it seems completely separate from the rest of show
business -- as though the only performers the magicians have ever seen
are other magicians who haven't changed their acts in thirty years. A
popular perception of magic is as old-fashioned and hokey;
unfortunately, it is fairly often accurate.
Msg #33334 Dated 0:14:57 02-15-92 33306 <--> 33346
From: T A WATERS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MORE ETHICS
Well, I can't comment on David's tush -- although I could do an
extended analysis of a couple of his assistants, particularly the one
who does the Fountain levi -- but otherwise I agree with you
completely; it might not be fair, but since DC is at the top he sort of
has to be held to a higher standard, particularly when it is clear that
he is capable of it.
Msg #33343 Dated 1:17:23 02-15-92 33298 <--> 33377
From: JERRY BURTON
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
When you go to the edge and project that kind of energy, you get
some rather strange energy fields manifesting in response to it.
.
I would imagine that would rather unsettle ones concentration.
Msg #33345 Dated 1:17:28 02-15-92 33302 <--> 33467
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAPS LOCK
Whew - that's much mellower. Where are you located and what do you
do ?
Msg #33346 Dated 1:17:30 02-15-92 33306 <--> 33468
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MORE ETHICS
Interesting, I have heard that comment from other woman as well.
.
A sexy looking guy with a great butt that does magic. Hey, what ever
it takes for success !
Msg #33347 Dated 1:17:32 02-15-92 33326 <--> 33352
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I felt a similiar rush when I saw DC fly - to regain the magic first
experienced in youth is truly a wonderful deje vu.
.
Did he show the film clips of failures to fly prior to his flight ?
.
If yes, what was your reaction to the introduction ?
Msg #33351 Dated 7:57:50 02-15-92 -> 33360
From: STEPHEN OSBORN
To: ALL
Re: NEW ONBOARD
I have been living in LA for a little over three years and just found
out about this BBS. And now I am working on leaving this summer to go
back to school for a Masters degree I am an computer engineer.
I have been involved with Magic ( on & off ) for about 14 years. It is
rather hard to practice magic while studing engineering. I would like
to start using my talent to help pay for school, doing restaraunt
magic. My problem is that I have only read and never seen a restaraunt
magician. Where is a good place to take my wife for a date and see
some good restaraunt magic?
Msg #33352 Dated 8:44:17 02-15-92 33321 <--> 33357
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Just read an ad for Desrt Magic and it says, and I quote "Female
Accompanying Magician..." Grrrrr! What if the MAGICIAN (there goes my
caps lock again) is a female and she happens to be accompanied by a
MALE (I like them better than females!). Just for the record, I'd like
to state that in the Mac Kenzie family the head magician is yours
truly, and my husband B.J. is my faithful assistant. According to
Desert Magic, do I have to go find some floozie with big hooters to
"accompany" me? Put a sock in that one!!!!! Same thing at the S.A.M.
convention. When people heard that I had left the kids with B.J. to
attend they were shocked! A "mommy magician"???? Whoever heard of
such a thing??!! Well, guess what guys...here I is. And I, for one,
would like to see a little more equlaity and a little less sexist ads.
"Female accompanying magician"...Humph!
Msg #33353 Dated 8:53:29 02-15-92 -> 33423
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
Well, to begin with, I started magic when I was hospitalized from a
motorcycle accident. I was involved with Copperfield's Project Magic
and just fell in love with magic and wanted to learn everything I
possibly could. Later I met David and started writing his fan club
newsletter and articles on Project Magic. I also started teaching
magic to drug and alcohol abusive teens and runaways at the local
runaway shelter. For that I was awarded Volunteer of the Year from the
city of Alexandria, VA. You may have heard of the teddy bears the
police use? Well, instead of teddy bears, the teens had me and I would
be called to go to the detention center, talk to the kids and my magic
kit went wherever I did. Magic made a wonderful icebreaker for me.
One of the teens, Frank, had been beaten repeatedly and thrown out on
the street. He came after me with a switchblade the first time I met
him. Terrified, I pulled out my color changing knives and said "Well,
watch what I can do with MY knife!" He was immediately hooked on magic
AND me. I am happy to report that Frank was adopted by a wonderful
family - mine! He is now my son.
Otherwise, I am a professional travel agent and have been for 10 years.
I just started a new service, the Magicians Travel Network that deals
exclusively with magicians and their travel needs. I do not hesitate
to say that I go above and beyond the call of duty to give personal
attention to every one of my members and make sure that every last
detail is taken care of. It is my goal to provide the best service
available in the travel industry, maily because I have seen so many of
my fellow magi dicked around by some low life who doesn't care that
they are magicians and doesn't realize just how special they are.
Well, I know how I like to be treated and that is exactly how I treat
people.
Last but not least I have two little girls, ages 7 and 2. Both are
avid magic fans. My 7 year old wants to be a body guard for Sigfried
and Roy. Don't laugh! She is a green belt in karate and the kid can
knock you into the dirt without thinking about it twice.
And that's Stacey in a nutshell. Still crazy after all these years,
still totally in love with magic and learning new effects, and still
loving life. Oh yes, I also write. I am a freelance writer with a
B.A. in Journalism. I had to do something for kicks!
Msg #33355 Dated 9:18:37 02-15-92 33331 <--> 33373
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Once upon a time I was involved in an effort to build a massive
definitive database. We had an editorial staff of 30 people, we had
checkers who checked the work of the checkers, we had reviews of the
reviews. It was a truly wonderous thing. The results are buried in a
government warehouse someplace. I think the cartons are merely labeled
"One More Idea That Didn't Work."
Msg #33357 Dated 9:32:45 02-15-92 33352 <--> 33361
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
You're not alone, Stacey, and it isn't just gender discrimination. Our
young magician has been excluded from both the lectures and the shows
on the basis of age.
Msg #33360 Dated 10:22:22 02-15-92 33351 <--> 33384
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEPHEN OSBORN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
I think you live in the San Fernando Valley. One venue is the
resturant at the Airtel Plaza (near Van Nuys Airport) on Friday nights.
You will want to confirm in advance that the mage is working that
night, but the house mage is MARVYN ROY, one of magic's greats.
Msg #33361 Dated 10:24:55 02-15-92 33352 <--> 33374
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
In all fairness to Joe Stevens, I believe that the "Female Accompanying
Magician" actually has NOTHING to do with gender! Since most magicians
are male (at least at the moment), it is really an attempt to politely
say that a mage cannot bring a buddy and get the reduced rate.
Msg #33362 Dated 10:29:20 02-15-92 32933 <--> 33368
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FLASH
Pete,
I'm slowly getting the knack of splitting cards. Thanks for the
words of encouragment.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33364 Dated 10:29:44 02-15-92 32968 <--> 33366
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
Pete,
The problem with computers is that they are programmed by
programmers. Present company excepted, most programmers don't
know how to write. What they are saying is clear as crystal to
them, but not to potential users.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33365 Dated 11:11:59 02-15-92 -> 33392
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: LIBARY HOURS
T. A.,
What is the schedule of the library these days? What I'm really
trying to ask, is are you going to be at the Castle on Sunday,
and if so, would it be possible to spend a couple of minutes in
the library.
Thanks.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33366 Dated 11:12:13 02-15-92 32992 <--> 33403
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
David,
When I saw two or three letters everytime I signed on, I assumed
that there was something keeping the computer from logging the
messages. I didn't realize that no one (including me) was
willing to risk total annihlation by hitting the wrong button.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33367 Dated 11:12:22 02-15-92 33053 <--> 33370
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
David,
Where can I get more info on the Riverside show? I wouldn't mind
seeing the show again. Hell's bells, why don't you all come out
my way, and we'll all see it again?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33368 Dated 11:12:30 02-15-92 33054 <--> 33479
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: FLASH
Jerry,
Please do get some cards to me. Or tell me what to look for, and
I'll go get some. The rain leaked into my "Juice" and ruined it.
Since H2SO4 is so prone to absorb water anyway, I've not made
another batch yet. I'll let you know as soon as I know about the
cigarette papers.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33369 Dated 11:12:39 02-15-92 33063 <--> 33378
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
T. A.,
I have been performing music for years, and can state, without
fear of error, that most places that a young performer can hope
to get booked in are looking for songs that everyone knows. When
I play a bar or nightclub, the manager wants songs that people
can sing along with, or dance to, or move them. Familiarity is
the key.
This does not mean that a performer has to do the song exactly
the way the person who made it popular does. Much like magic,
the performer is able to make that song (and the introduction to
it) his or her own.
I write a high percentage of my own material. This is often a
handicap in making money at the business.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33370 Dated 11:12:50 02-15-92 33069 <--> 33404
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Pete,
If you do wind up in Riverside in May, remember, I've got an
extra room.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33371 Dated 11:12:58 02-15-92 33086 <--> 33405
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS
For my part, I hereby give permission to anyone to reprint
anything I write here.
Otherwise I wouldn't put it up on a public medium.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33372 Dated 11:13:06 02-15-92 33187 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FAX
Pete,
My father used to tell me, "You can't be so afraid of dying that
you don't live."
Bad news on the kid in the storm, but I think the lesson is more
to avoid unnecessary risks.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33373 Dated 11:13:14 02-15-92 33293 <--> 33375
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Jerry,
If it's not an imposition, I would very much enjoy joining you
for brunch on the 23rd. I'm going to brunch tomorrow, then back
Sunday night so I can finally get a look at Anthony's show.
(Tried to make it twice last week, but the rains said "nope, I
don't think so.)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33374 Dated 11:13:23 02-15-92 33352 <--> 33394
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Stacey,
When I filled out the application for membership at the Castle,
one of the questions is "Would you like an extra card for your
wife? What is your wife's name?" (All right, two questions.)
Of the dozen or so people who were accepted to membership, four
were women. One said "My wife's name is 'Steve'."
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33375 Dated 12:14:27 02-15-92 33261 <--> 33376
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Don't feel bad, the author left me out too!
.
Your book is still better!
Ms #33376 Dated 12:15:37 02-15-92 33272 <--> 33396
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Day job?
Msg #33377 Dated 12:15:56 02-15-92 33273 <--> 33380
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Jim Bently booked the Merlin McFlys club and did an act called Bently
& Haldamin (spelling?) Unfortunatly I never did get a chance see it.
Msg #33378 Dated 12:19:13 02-15-92 33274 <--> 33393
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I want the book!
.
Unfortunatly, you are right about mail order magic. And fortunatly the
above mentioned magi were in a time and space when the community took
more time with those who wanted to learn.
Msg #33380 Dated 12:31:54 02-15-92 33333 <--> 33464
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
I have seen an episode of The Secret Caberet. and the last
effect...where the magician apperently pours himself into a coke
bottle! Incredible finish!!!
Msg #33382 Dated 13:26:33 02-15-92 -> 33408
From:SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: FUNNY THING...
A couple of funny stories relating to magic are here for your
enjoyment.
#1- Last time I went on-line to magic, someone had left a message about
Micheal Ammar's Icebreaker's video. The message reviewed it, then made
a joke about Micheal teaching how to make money in real estate, with
him being Micheal Del Dotto. Well, at my most recent SAM meeting, which
meets in a hotel, right next to us was the Dave Del Dotto "wealth
building" seminar! Do we have a prophet on-line?
#2- This one takes plac the week after David Copperfield's "Orient
Express" special. Steve Youell (a local close-up artists) and I were at
the local magic shop. Steve was working behind the counter. A couple
came into the store, and mentioned that their son had an interest in
magic, spurred the recent Copperfield special, and wanted a simple
trick to start him on the road. To show the lengths one can goto in
magic, Steve performed an excellent sleight-of-hand routine. The
couple's reaction? "Let's get him that deck!". Steve, just sell, don't
perform!
Msg #33384 Dated 14:02:02 02-15-92 33351 <--> 33412
From: FRANK ZAK
To: STEPHEN OSBORN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
The Golden Nugget in Las Vegas, to see Michael Skinner.
Msg #33386 Dated 14:05:12 02-15-92 -> 33429
From: FRANK ZAK
To: ALL
Re: VACATION
I am going to be in the Reno-Tahoe area March 4-5 and in the San
Francisco/Berkley area March 6-8 and Reno March 9. I would love to get
together with magicians in the area. If anyone is interested please let
me know.
Frank
Msg #33388 Dated 15:43:27 02-15-92 -> 33397
From: DOUG SMITH
To: ALL
Re: HOUDIN BOOKS
A local shop has some books on Houdni...such as Houdin Scrapbook....one
written by Doug Henning, plus a couple more for $15 each. Are these
collectables? Have a lot of interest by magicians?
Thanks for any input.
Msg #33389 Dated 16:42:49 02-15-92 -> 33398
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Jerry,
Yes, D.C. used the film clips of early flight as an
introduction to his flying routine. While I'm certain
he had to do so to set up the illusion, I also happened
to love these particular clips. I've seen a lot of
such clips over the years, and they are always very
funny, but I've never seen these before. The fat lady
with the wings -- hysterical.
As to the rest of the show, I wasn't particularly upset
seeing D.C. do "Interlude," partly because I assume
David works these things out with the parties involved,
and partly because I like seeing how one pro re-
interprets an effect. (As Bill Larsen pointed out, he
also did Andre Kole material, and Doug Henning
material, etc. But the fire and water illusion, for
example, has come a LONG way since Doug did it.) On a
slightly philosophical note, I couldn't help but feel
that Doug Henning would have LOVED to have done the
flying illusion. If he had stayed in the business,
Gaughan might have offered it to him. Re duplication,
I agree with T.A. Waters in general, that it would be
nice if everyone did something different (as there IS
plenty of material), yet it was Steinmeyer himself who
pointed out last year that magicians are bothered by
duplication far more than lay audiences. A layman,
according to Steinmeyer, will see someone bring out a
Zig Zag, and will nudge the guy sitting beside him, and
will say, "Watch this. This is a great trick." The
recognition factor works in the trick's favor. Of
course, there IS a limit, a point of diminishing
returns.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #33390 Dated 16:43:40 02-15-92 -> 33701
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Stacey,
I assume that it was inadvertent that you addressed
your comments re Joe Stevens to me, but I DO agree that
it was insensitive of Joe to word his ads as he did.
But Joe is a nice guy, and I'm sure if you let him know
(or let his wife and daughter know!) that the ladies
were slighted in the ad, that he will correct it next
year. It is a tricky thing to word, and you might have
more luck if you compose a suitable alternative. Now,
if you want to REALLY drive the point home, I will be
attending the DMS this year. If you would like to
"accompany" me and get in for $75, feel free to use my
name. ("Grin," as Bill Wells always says.)
I must confess that I fell into the chauvinistic trap
of assuming you were male for your first few messages,
until you mentioned D.C.'s back side, and suddenly I
was backspacing to see who wrote that. You got my
attention.
I struggled with this gender thing in my current magic
book (plug plug), finally deciding to use male
pronouns, but apologizing at the top of the book for
doing so, and also making the case that my use of male
pronouns fit in with the theme of the book.
Anyway, it is clear that female magicians are here to
stay (and happily so!), not only in the Melinda and
Princess Tenko categories, but in comedy magic and
closeup and mentalism as well. So hang in there, and
feel free to point out to any of us when we are being
stupid. Which, of course, is probably most of the
time.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #33391 Dated 16:44:37 02-15-92 -> 33484
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: BEER
Does anyone know any nice magicians who live near
Appleton, Wisconsin? One of my uncles possesses an
extensive and impressive beer can collection, and I'd
love to send him one of the Houdini beer cans (if it
comes in cans) pictured in the current issue of
M A G I C. Especially as his birthday pops up in two
weeks.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #33392 Dated 16:53:32 02-15-92 33365 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: LIBARY HOURS
The Library is open by appointment only Wednesday through Sunday; I am
there from around 10AM to 4PM, except for lunch. Because of ongoing
construction, and because I sometimes am elsewhere than in the Library
itself, it really is important that appointments be made at least a day
in advance. I will of course be there tomorrow (Sunday); give me a
call after 10:15AM and we can arrange for you to come down.
Msg #33393 Dated 16:56:47 02-15-92 33369 <--> 33461
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
That hasn't been the experience of such musicians as I know, except for
folksingers. Usually they make a point of playing nobody else's stuff;
it is expected.
Msg #33394 Dated 16:59:48 02-15-92 33352 <--> 33395
From: T A WATERS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I saw that too, and wondered how many people -- male and female -- were
going to find it offensive. Perhaps someone should drag Stevens into
the 20th century some time before we get to the 21st...
Msg #33395 Dated 17:01:21 02-15-92 33361 <--> 33407
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
But then why, particularly, a female? If they're married or sleeping
together it's OK? And does this mean Stevens is discriminating against
gays? Curiouser...
Msg #33396 Dated 17:04:15 02-15-92 33355 <--> 33406
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
The Mistake You Find Quickest: the one on the page of the book that has
just come back from the printers -- the rule is that if you open a page
at random, it will always be the one with the mistake on it...
Msg #33397 Dated 17:07:47 02-15-92 33388 <--> 33658
From: T A WATERS
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: HOUDIN BOOKS
The Houdini scrapbook and the Henning/Reynolds tomes are not at all
rare -- but worth getting just to read.
Msg #33398 Dated 17:09:02 02-15-92 33389 <--> 33426
From: T A WATERS
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
While Jim Steinmeyer is someone I am happy to call a friend, I should
point out that he would not be overjoyed if he only sold one of each of
his illusions...!
Msg #33399 Dated 17:27:42 02-15-92
From: DENNIS PIERCE
To: ALL
Re: COLLECTORS FORUM
Can anyone give me any info on a newsletter called Collectors
Forum by Fred Evans? A phone # or address........ Thanks.....
Msg #33403 Dated 18:20:14 02-15-92 33366 <--> 33424
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
The MAGIC! system is actually quite remarkable (no, I didn't write it
all by myself). It senses discrepancies in its own operation and in
its operating environment and tries to compensate for them. That
particular "maintenance" message is an unfortunate by-product of its
sophistication and is something we are working to fix.
Msg #33404 Dated 18:24:47 02-15-92 33367 <--> 33481
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Wouldn't be a bad idea to see David's show again! Right now, the only
info I have is that Riverside is May 12th. I don't have info on the
specific venue or show times. Will see if I can find out.
Msg #33405 Dated 18:26:43 02-15-92 33371 <--> 33425
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ETHICS
Thanks, Kevin. I think that our discussion here has been of
considerable interest to others.
Msg #33406 Dated 18:28:46 02-15-92 33396 <--> 33418
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Damn! But you really _ARE_ a mentalist! The proposal for the project
I described in the previous message was 436 pages long. It contained
_ONE_ typo - it was in the section in which we described the
painstaking process by which we would minimize "speeling" errors. Yep,
they found it. Nope, we never lived it down.
Msg #33407 Dated 18:32:03 02-15-92 33395 <--> 33420
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I am not Joe Stevens, nor am I prepared to defend either the way the
item is worded or the meaning of it. But I believe that there has, in
fact, been no discrimination against either women who bring male or
female assistants nor against any mage (gay or not) who legitimately
desired to bring a male assistant or spouse. I think that the policy
is designed to avoid two magicians from buddying up to save $50. No,
I do not know if two males would have to bring proof of their
relationship (perhaps a marriage certificate from San Francisco?) in
order to get the reduced "assistant" rate.
What I do know is that Nathan has been denied entrance, on the basis of
age, to the lectures and shows, even if he was willing to pay the full
registration fee. I can completely understand the desire to keep
screaming or ill-behaved or non-mage persons of any age out, but, as
you know, he is quite serious about his magic and has attended several
Vegas shows (as well as Copperfield's road show) without being any sort
of problem.
Msg #33408 Dated 18:41:42 02-15-92 33382 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: FUNNY THING...
Yep! Those are funny! Thanks!
Msg 33412 Dated 20:19:28 02-15-92 33351 <--> 33415
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: STEPHEN OSBORN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
Your can catch F.I.S.M. World Champ Johnny "Ace" Palmer most every
Wednesday evening at the Marriott Bar in Irvine.
Msg #33413 Dated 20:44:35 02-15-92 -> 33487
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yes, I did realize that Steinmeyer's comments might
have been self-serving. Though I think they are true,
to an extent. This has always seemed to me to be a
problem with lecturers. They preach originality, then
teach stuff and sell stuff to the masses. Do they want
the attendees to NOT do the stuff? Perhaps. I just
bought Jon Racherbaumer's PASTICHE, in which he claims
to reserve all rights including "television, video,
film, stage, and theater performance rights." I guess
I am free to do these card tricks in my bedroom only.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #33414 Dated 20:45:15 02-15-92 -> 33836
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Hmmm, Joe DOES have access to this BBS, via his
friends. (This situation reminds me of the time, when
I was very young, that a buddy of mine and I went to a
porno movie in San Diego. The sign at the theater
read, "Couples Half Price." So we put our arms around
each other at the ticket window. The girl behind the
glass said, "Sorry, boys, you'll have to do more than
that." Alas, we each paid full price.) My serious
advice is that you call and speak to Joe or Martha or
Amy at (316) 683-9582. If you are coming for one day
only -- and I know that several did so last year -- Joe
might have a one-day rate that is better than the full
deal "companion" rate. A shame that you can come for
one day only, though. The talent in the contests alone
usually makes this one of the great conventions of the
year.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #33415 Dated 22:44:04 02-15-92 33351 <--> 33417
From: DAVD LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEPHEN OSBORN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
By the way there is an article in the MAGIC! Files Area, FIRSTJOB.TXT,
that addresses getting your first resturant job. It is by JIM SISTI,
the publisher of Magic Menu, a newsletter for resturant and bar
workers.
Msg #33416 Dated 22:54:49 02-15-92 33247 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: FRI
SINCE I'M ANSWERING THIS ON SATURDAY NIGHT. YOU KNOW I'LL BE THERE.
Msg #33417 Dated 22:56:34 02-15-92 33351 <--> 33422
From: MIKE KING
To: STEPHEN OSBORN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
Welcome, Stephen!!!
Msg #33418 Dated 23:32:29 02-15-92 33373 <--> 33460
From: JRRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I'll probably see you tomorrow night as I had a similiar problem
getting up to see Tony's show. Will come up tomorrow night about
7 pm.
.
I'll bring some of the single ply chinese cards for you to experiment
with - don't look for a bearded guy (handlebar still there) I finally
got tired of the bush.
Msg #33420 Dated 23:32:39 02-15-92 33352 <--> 33421
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
If you check with Stevens it should really read Magician and opposite
sex companion. A female magician can bring a male, and vice versa.
They will not allow an 'accompanying person' of the same sex. Now
that's really sexist.
Msg #33421 Dated 23:32:43 02-15-92 33407 <--> 33430
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Last year I had a non-magician friend who wanted to go to DMS and
they would not give the companion rate for a companion of the same
sex REGARDLESS of marital status. I think the policy was initiated
to avoid 2 magi buddying up to save a few bucks.
.
I'm not sure what the policy is for 2 females !
Msg #33422 Dated 23:32:47 02-15-92 33351 <--> 33474
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STEPHEN OSBORN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
Tuesday evenings from 5-7 pm at the Marriot in Norwalk (Norwalk Blvd
and 5 frwy) or at the Sheridan in Irvine (Von Karman & 405 frwy)
Johnnie 'Ace' Palmer does walk around magic.
Can't do better than the former World Champion.
Msg #33423 Dated 23:32:50 02-15-92 33353 <--> 33476
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
Any deals for IBM in Salt Lake City this summer. I need to fly from
Orange County (or LA, or Ontario, or Long Beach) to SLC.
.
I always wondered how to seque into color changing knives - that's
the best intro I've ever heard.
Msg #33424 Dated 23:32:54 02-15-92 33364 <--> 33480
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
I have no trouble writing writing - it's when I have to write writing
for someone else to read that I have problems writing readable writin
g.
.
I do much better in C and assembler than I do in english.
Msg #33425 Dated 23:32:58 02-15-92 33405 <--> 33427
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS
Anyone can reproduce anything I say on this BBS. I do retain all
rights to say it on any TV or other paid performance. Do not
remove the shrink wrap from this msg unless you agree to these terms.
Msg #33426 Dated 23:33:01 02-15-92 33389 <--> 33431
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
We had a discussion on the films being a bit slapstick and not of
the same calibre of the flying itself. I thought a few of the more
sucessful attempts, perhaps hang gliders or sky-divers to put the
lead-in on a more positive note.
.
Concerning copying and magi's doing the same thing. When I saw DC
do the penetration, my reaction was he did the Pendragon effect quite
well. It was still there's, just done by some one else. It's like
a pop song done by someone other than originator.
.
I also agree the ones most concerned with copying are the magicians
themselves. The lay audience couldn't care less.
.
Buying an effect from the originator and performing is valid. Ripping
it off is not. There are a number of cheaper copies available that
are an affront to all in magic.
.
Performing another's unpublished work is blatent theft. Performing
a person's published material is valid. Why so many people do the
stuff is one of life's mysteries !
Msg #33427 Dated 23:36:29 02-15-92 33425 <--> 33580
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ETHICS
Got it, Burton. Have you tried wrapping your shrink?
Msg #33429 Dated 23:40:39 02-15-92 33386 <--> 33437
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: VACATION
Give me a holler, I am in San Leandro, near Berkeley. Maybe Senor Biro
and yourself can come to the restaurant that I Perform at?
Msg #33430 Dated 0:20:31 02-16-92 33421 <--> 33433
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Whatever -- it seems to me to be clearly discriminatory; I doubt that
it would stand p to a legal challenge, though for the life of me I
can't imagine anyone wanting to go to a magic convention that badly...
Msg #33431 Dated 0:24:21 02-16-92 33426 <--> 33581
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I have to say that when I have asked people who had stated that they
din't care for magic why they held this opinion, I ALWAYS got the same
two responses: "They talk too much" and "They all do the same tricks."
(and of course the first word in the second line is DIDN'T).
Msg #33433 Dated 0:34:52 02-16-92 33430 <--> 33470
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Regarding the potential for a legal challenge to the Steven's pricing
formula, it isn't even a matter of attendance since I don't think
anyone has ever been turned away on the basis of sexual orientation.
It would only be a matter of reducing the fee by $50.
Msg #33434 Dated 7:23:19 02-16-92 -> 33435
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: SHORTHAND
Last month's Prodigy monthly magazine arrived with an
article on BBS shorthand, much of which was unfamiliar
to me. At the risk of tempting everyone to become
cutesy, I'll pass some of this along. The shorthand
falls into the general categories of abbreviations,
acronyms, and "emoticons," the latter tending toward
little smiley faces at the end of words. Examples
follow.
BTW By the way
IMO In my opinion
IMHO In my humble opinion
ROFL Rolling on the floor, laughing
G Grin (also see emoticon for smile)
CUL8R See you later
TTYL Talk to you later
TTFN Ta ta for now
And the emoticons. To picture them properly, turn your
head 90 degrees to the left.
:) Smile
:') Cry
:D Laughter
:-O Yell
:Q Smoking
:( Frown
;) Wink
%( Confusion
>:-< Anger
:P Nyaah, nyaah, nyaah
:* Kiss me, you fool
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #33435 Dated 10:08:30 02-16-92 33434 <--> 33453
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
Fortunately, the folks here on MAGIC! tend not to use those
abbreviations and emoticons. But we do have a few of our own:
ARGH! (tm - Biro) - Also AARRGGHH!! (tm - Biro) and other
variations. Used to connote something
terrible that has happened.
S - Used to indicate that something is serious
when it might otherwise be construed as
funny.
F - Used to indicate that something is funny
or that you are only fooling when it might
otherwise be construed as serious.
In the realm of emoticons, we have one more than the others do:
>:-)> - Max Maven.
Msg #33437 Dated 11:17:23 02-16-92 33429 <--> 34413
From: FRANK ZAK
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: VACATION
I will try to look you up.
Msg #33450 Dated 14:25:22 02-16-92 -> 33455
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: CASTLE
I will be coming to the Castle tonight, February 16. Anybody who will
be up there, say hello to the redhead with the brilliant green eyes in
the black dress covered with rhinestones. You'll know me, as I will
look like I am (a) scared to death and (b) totally overwhelmed. This
is my first visit to the Castle. Please come over and say "Hi!" and
introduce yourself
Msg #33452 Dated 15:22:51 02-16-92 33309 <--> 33469
From: DOC EASON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD SHOW, SAN DIE
wished I lived in San Diego...have a great time
Msg #33453 Dated 15:42:55 02-16-92 33435 <--> 33489
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
8-) I am wide eyed on this _m__m_
Msg #33455 Dated 17:01:26 02-16-92 33450 <--> 33491
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CASTLE
Grrr! ARGH! (tm - Biro)! Darn! I wish I'd known you were gonna be at
the Castle tonite! I would have tried to figure out how to get down
there.
Msg #33460 Dated 20:35:06 02-16-92 33284 <--> 33462
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I guess I will have to read it now... argh... JUST BACK from
airport... been in WICHITA... home of the Wizard of Ahs... Joe
Stevens... WHO IS BUYING A MODEM AND WILL BE JOINING MAGIC!
.
FLASH!!!! All the finalists and 3 alternates have been picked for
the Comedy Challenge. WAWZOOOOOOOOO... what a show 'tis going to
be... We had a killer time deciding WHO WAS OUT... not an easy
chore... but then anything as good and wonderful as we always do
is not easy...
.
FLASH 2... MAGIC!'s First Desert Reunion will be at 5pm Friday at
DMS....
.
Flash 3... I cannot reveal the names of the acts yet, until Joe
Calls and informs all IN/OUT... it is only fair... but MAGIC! will
be the foist media to know! yarhh....
Msg #33461 Dated 20:35:23 02-16-92 33285 <--> 33463
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I forgot about the good one... Saw person in half. Cover Both
halves (boxes apart) the two halves float up, then together in
the air and join... come down, pull cloth away and the person is
WHOLE again...
.
BUT WAIT TIL YOU SEE THE ACT I JUST BOOKED FOR IMB THAT DOES
A LEVITATION THAT RIVALS ANYTHING COPPERFIELD OR HENNING HAS EVER
DONE ( exception: Flying -- which is a different area, and not a
levitation of someone else ) !!!!
.
Will be worth a trip to SLC just to see this one trick.
.
I put the tape on at Joe Stevens' home and Bill Wells, Jay
Marshall... YES JAY MARSHALL.... and Obie O'brien, not to mention
Joe, Martha and Amy Stevens... all watching... their JAWS DROPPED..
AND AS ONE... SAID... REWIND REWIND... PLAY IT AGAIN!!!! HOLY S**T!
.
The IBM IS FIRST ON THIS ONE DUDES (AND DUDETTES)!!!!
Msg #33462 Dated 20:35:42 02-16-92 33293 <--> 33465
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
i HAVE both the Grismer Punch (served over Ice it is tasty... ER NO,
JUST KIDDIN...) the main thing with a punch is to figure out what
to do with it... I just heard of a guy "finding foreign decks" and
PUNCHING them.... then going to Spain... asking Tamariz for some
'LOCAL' cards... switching decks and TAKING NO PRISONERS...
.
Now that's real magic thinking... HO HO HO... NAILING TAMARIZ...
NOT EASY GANG... NOT EASY...
./
The Bloome Pins... very very clever, easy to do ... a fooler and
can be examined... not one to skip....
Msg #33463 Dated 20:35:54 02-16-92 33294 <--> 33471
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Yah but you didn't tell them you never brought the books back!
Msg #33464 Dated 20:35:57 02-16-92 33298 <--> 33473
From: PETE BIRO
To: ANTHONY BLAKE (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
NO COMMENT>>> whew... Did the audience catch the action? Did it
kill your set?
Msg #33465 Dated 20:36:01 02-16-92 33301 <--> 33472
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Yah, but will explane PRIVE...
Msg #33467 Dated 20:36:13 02-16-92 33302 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAPS LOCK
What did you do? I forget?
Msg #33468 Dated 20:36:16 02-16-92 33306 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MORE ETHICS
I never noticed. But that is ok, right... or I could have said,
"But what?"
Msg #33469 Dated 20:36:20 02-16-92 33309 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD SHOW, SAN DIE
I have 56 people coming with me.
Msg #33470 Dated 20:36:24 02-16-92 33321 <--> 33475
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Really good report Steve... yes you were viewing magic... and yes
the more I know about the methods the MORE the details boggle my
mind! It is as close to the end of progress as you can get!
Msg #33471 Dated 20:36:29 02-16-92 33329 <--> 33518
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
OK TA
Msg #33472 Dated 20:36:32 02-16-92 33330 <--> 33477
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Hope you list yourself in any future editions! I still don't have
the book, got to call A SOURCE TOMORROW...
Msg #33473 Dated 20:36:36 02-16-92 33333 <--> 33497
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
I know a couple of regular magicians (albiet very good ones) that
think Secret Cabaret SUX.... I wish I could see more episodes...
those that I have seen are wonderful TV Productions.
.
Boy, just saw a part of the Hobson, Williamson Coby special.
WWWWAAAAAAZZZZZZZZOOOOOOOOOOOOOO gasp, chuckle..., holy mackerel
what a KILLER.... Coby has entered his NEW ACT AT DMS.... YAR....
Msg #33474 Dated 20:36:45 02-16-92 33351 <--> 34721
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEPHEN OSBORN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
Jim Sisti, here online once in awhile, publishes a KILLER magazine
strictly on Restaurant Magic. I don't know the LA area anymore,
hope some others can enlighten you. Good luck...
.
However, if you are good enough at impromptu type close up magic
why not just jump in, find a place and INVENT your own personal
brand of Restaurant Magic... that way it will REALLY BE YOU....
Msg #33475 Dated 20:36:53 02-16-92 33352 <--> 33478
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Joe is anything but SEXIST... his daughter Amy (I think this year
too) picketed the Miss USA pageant in Wichita... JOE IS AWARE OF
THE PROBLEM, BUT WAS TRYING TO WORD IT RIGHT... and Amy usually
does the ad copy herself... Why don't you write a freindly note
to Joe and Amy and let them know your feelings. Maybe freindly
would be better than freindly!
Msg #33476 Dated 20:37:01 02-16-92 33353 <--> 33834
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
Gee that is a great story... you sound too cool to be true!
Congrats and a belated Happy Valentine's day to you and yours!
Msg #33477 Dated 20:37:05 02-16-92 33355 <--> 33483
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Krikey... I go away three days and there are so many messages my
Carpel Tunnel Syndrome is back! yar.... at least my floor isn't
flooded... yet.... PHONE'S RINGIN' BE BACK...
Msg #33478 Dated 20:37:10 02-16-92 33357 <--> 33482
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
PHONE CALL WAS JOE STEVENS.... he said, Have Stacey call me...
we have tried all kinds of ways to word it... if she can come up
with a better way W WILL USE IT... 'cause what do you write when
you want to cover all cases... One guy and his BOYFRIEND... WHAT?
HOW... HELP...
Msg #33479 Dated 20:37:17 02-16-92 33362 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FLASH
keep splttin' nuttin worth doing is usually a piece of cake... yo
Msg #33480 Dated 20:37:20 02-16-92 33364 <--> 33562
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
Especially if they are foreigners
Msg #33481 Dated 20:37:23 02-16-92 33370 <--> 33560
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I spend the Month of May at the Indianapolis 500 time trials and
race! (got to make a livin)!
Msg #33482 Dated 20:37:27 02-16-92 33374 <--> 33485
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Spouse would be a better word!
Msg #33483 Dated 20:37:30 02-16-92 33376 <--> 33486
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Yep, had to take a day job. My night job is writing my book and
organizing shows, not to mention practicing and inventing magic.
Msg #33484 Dated 20:37:34 02-16-92 33391 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: BEER
If anybody finds one of the Beer Cans, I would like one as well.
I think Doc Mossey lives near there... will see if he does.
Msg #33485 Dated 20:37:38 02-16-92 33395 <--> 33498
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Joe isn't discriminating against anyone... he just said he hasn't
figured out the "correct wording that covers ALL CASES"...
Msg #33486 Dated 20:37:41 02-16-92 33406 <--> 33514
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
My two fave typos: For Sale - 1000 Woo lovercoats
and - Wanted: Poorfreader
Msg #33487 Dated 20:37:45 02-16-92 33413 <--> 33704
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
No... just in your closet! I think Steinmeyer would like to see
those that do buy his creations WORK OUT THEIR OWN VARIATIONS,
SETTINGS, STYLE, MOODS, ETC...
Msg #33488 Dated 20:37:50 02-16-92 -> 36015
From: PETE BIRO
To: WAYNE POWERS (X)
Re: ART METRANO
Ee;33417
Wayne... do you (or anyone else) know where I can reach Art Metrano?
I need a picture of him doing the gag "ethnic" linking ring bit,
in his DA DA DA DA... act...
Msg #33489 Dated 20:37:56 02-16-92 33434 <--> 33490
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
;+)
(smile with clown nose)! ARgh.... Have I paid you? No. Sorry, will
look for he bill.... ;+)
Msg #33490 Dated 20:38:01 02-16-92 33435 <--> 33521
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
You misspelled ARgh ( CAP A, CAP R, LC g, LC h, dude...)
Msg #33491 Dated 20:38:04 02-16-92 33450 <--> 33492
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CASTLE
I would, but I am flying in from Wichita to Oakland today.
Msg #33492 Dated 20:38:07 02-16-92 33455 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE
Can't you paddle in?
Msg #33495 Dated 22:10:46 02-16-92 -> 33504
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THANKS
Thanks for the kind words about the Menu. Much appreciated.
Msg #33497 Dated 0:51:10 02-17-92 33473 <--> 33505
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
I have seen the first bunch of the new shows; I think they are
generally quite good. My only criticism would be that sometimes they
get a little too consciously arty -- but then at other times they do
total gross-out, so it is a nice balance. Actually, what I like best
about them is the concept they sell that magic isn't necessarily "nice"
and "safe" entertainment.
Msg #33498 Dated 0:53:24 02-17-92 33485 <--> 33506
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
How about "signifcant other"?
[Note: Message # 33499 was personal and does not appear here.]
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