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[Note: Messages # 33500 through # 33503 were personal and do not
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Msg #33504 Dated 7:23:44 02-17-92 33495 <--> 33549
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: THANKS
Deservedly so.... howya doin?
Msg #33505 Dated 7:23:47 02-17-92 33497 <--> 33566
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Lucky dog... seeing a BUNCH of the shows... last night (very late)
a huge number of old Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy ONE-REELERS were
on with commentary, clips etc. from Candice... and it was on some
channel my TV set could see, but the VCR tuner would not get...
talk about frustration... ARgh... some very funny stuff... hope I
can figure out how to tape if they re-run the show... It was a
Happy Birthday Charlie show... of some kind... hmmmmm
Msg #33506 Dated 7:23:56 02-17-92 33498 <--> 33507
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yah, I don't know why that won't work. Will be talkin' to Jose
Stevnso today via the FAX machina and will suggesto!
.
I can't figure why Amy hadn't suggested that verbage... hmmmmm
.
Stay tuned
Msg #33507 Dated 7:40:42 02-17-92 33506 <--> 33520
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Maybe "Non-magician of the opposite sex"?
Msg #33510 Dated 7:53:36 02-17-92 -> 33527
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN ET AL (X)
Re: CASTLE
My first night at the Castle was absolutely wonderful! I wandered
around for awhile, just drinking all of it in (and drinking a little
Zinfandel in as well). I am not sure I saw all of it, in fact there was
probably a lot I missed. All of you Magic! people were so terrific!
I was thrilled out of my socks that you came over. I love to see
people I talk to because they never EVER look like what you think they
will. I still want to hear the WHOLE story about the...er, ART form in
front of the Castle, you know, Piggy Pewter or whatever it is. There
has to be a story behind it and it must be a good one!
Msg #33514 Dated 8:35:11 02-17-92 33483 <--> 33515
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Thanks for being so inventive. I could not be as suscessful as I am
with out you inventors. or as a famed writer from Genii wrote..."If the
reel breaks........."
Msg #33515 Dated 10:09:31 02-17-92 33460 <--> 33516
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
WOW! Great to have you back on-line and it sounds like GREAT news from
the Wonderful World of Wichita.
OK, Everyone - the Second Annual MAGIC! Anniversary Get-Together will
be at DESSERT MAGIC SEMINAR on FRIDAY at 5 p.m. - I think that is MARCH
19th or 20th. If you haven't already registerd for DMS, DO IT!!!
Call Joe Stevens and tell him MAGIC! sent ya!
Msg #33516 Dated 10:12:48 02-17-92 33477 <--> 33517
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I _feel_ like I was gone for three days! Was at the Castle last night
until _2:30_ _a._ _m._ A little Welcome Party, organized
spontaneously, for Stacey McKenzie. Let's see, I'm bound to miss
someone, but here's a shot at who was there, not in any order, MARK
LODGE, JEFF COWAN, LESLIE MANNING, KEVIN & KERRY CURTAIN, BURTON THE
BIZZARE, ANTHONY BLAKE, WHIT HAYDN, and a few folks who are planning on
joining MAGIC!, FALKENSTEIN & WILLARD, LARRY JENNINGS, and MARTIN NASH.
Sure hope I didn't miss anyone!
Msg #33517 Dated 10:17:38 02-17-92 33486 <--> 33531
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Yeah, we coulda used one more "poorfreader" on that project!
Msg #33518 Dated 10:19:34 02-17-92 33461 <--> 33559
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Looking forward to SLC - it sounds like it will be an uplifting
experience!
Msg #33520 Dated 10:29:39 02-17-92 33478 <--> 33530
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Tell STACEY - the "Female Assistant" line isn't my fight! It came up
without my intervention. I'm the one working on the age limit!
Msg #33521 Dated 10:32:44 02-17-92 33490 <--> 33534
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
I wrote "and other variations." And YOU left off the exclaimation
point! It ain't no good without the exclaimation point!
Msg #33527 Dated 10:53:34 02-17-92 33510 <--> 33567
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CASTLE
It was great to meet you too, Stacey! I can't believe we left the
Castle at 2:30! The sad and sorrid tale of Super Pig is scattered
throughout the MAGIC! message base, too long to reproduce here.
P.S. - You must have gotten thrilled out of your socks pretty early
since I never noticed them. But the dress was a stunner!
Msg #33530 Dated 12:28:30 02-17-92 33507 <--> 33533
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
That would offend less, probably... Hey, what was the soviet, er
russian, er... act that did the productions of the Dolls. Uh,
Name of, on your tape? do you have any addresses?
.
Also, heard a "group" are coming to the Castle after the IBM in
SLC and rumor is they want to come to IBM... but we don't have
any registrations yet from any???
Msg #33531 Dated 12:28:39 02-17-92 33514 <--> 33532
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
If the thread reels you in, those are the brakes! Yar... shucks,
aw gee, blush?
Msg #33532 Dated 12:28:43 02-17-92 33516 <--> 33538
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
You didn't see me there. Sorry, was hiding in the Kitchen.
Msg #33533 Dated 12:28:46 02-17-92 33520 <--> 33537
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
David (and others...) I might not be able to make it to the Castle
on the 23rd... am snapping pix the night before (until almost
midnight) in San Diego and the word is a Boss from Akron (they
pay the bills) will be coming out... and I might have to entertain
him on Sunday... THAT MESSES UP ALL KINDSA GOOD THINGS I WANTED
TO DO ON SUNDAY... ARgh....
Msg #33534 Dated 12:28:53 02-17-92 33521 <--> 33582
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
!
Msg #33537 Dated 12:32:25 02-17-92 33533 <--> 33564
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Sorry to hear that you are not likely to be at the Castle on the 23rd,
Pete. Guess that may put a "kabosh" on the plans for a Brunch in your
honor! Hope to see you next time.
Msg #33538 Dated 12:33:56 02-17-92 33532 <--> 33542
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Yeah, it would be just like you to stick close to the kitchen. Showing
the cooks a little Wok Magic, no doubt.
Msg #33542 Dated 14:18:03 02-17-92 33538 <--> 33543
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
When in the kitchen, sure hope Pete stays away from the teapots.
Wasn't that what he used to burn up?
Maybe it was Tabby.
Msg #33543 Dated 15:10:55 02-17-92 33542 <--> 33561
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Yep, n addition to his Wokked Chicken, Pete is famous for burning up
teapots. To the best of my knowledge, he has not burned up Tabby. I
don't even think he has ever left him steamed.
Msg #33548 Dated 19:19:35 02-17-92 -> 33552
From: STAN LAKE
To: ALL
Re: OLD JOKE IN NEW CLOTHES
I heard the following joke the other day- stop me if you've heard it
before...
As usual, the David Copperfield show was sold out, so I was surprised
to see an empty seat in front of me. I made a note of the oddity to a
nearby woman, and she explained that the seat belonged to her husband
who had recently passed away. "I'm very sorry", I responded. "Really,
I'm surprised another relative or friend didn't jump at the chance to
take his seat."
"Me too," she said. "They all went to the funeral instead."
Msg #33549 Dated 20:07:14 02-17-92 33504 <--> 33569
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THANKS
Not doin' too bad. Just finished all the paperwork on the new house.
We close on the 28th and move in on March 21st. On anothetopic, how
are you fixed for material. Tab said you might have a thing or two in
the hopper that walk-arounders would be interested in. Perhaps you
might consider contributing to the next issue? Issue 10 just went tot
he printer today and it's a killer (cosmetically). It was done in all
PostScript. I think you'll be impressed... Let me know on the other
thing...
Msg #33550 Dated 20:10:21 02-17-92 -> 33570
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I've had some new thoughts on originality and ethics.
.
Look back at the world of magic publishing for the public.
You can start with "Discovery of Witchcraft". All of these
books, with a few exceptions were explanation of creations of
other than the author. That includes Hoffman and the Legerdemain
section of Erdnase.
.
In many of these books the creator is not mentioned. I must admit
that Hoffman seems to give credit most of the time.
.
Mike Rodgers once commented that Don Allen was the most copied
magician. But one of Don's best routines is the Benson Bowl
Routine. Everyone uses his Invisible Deck which I think belongs
to Eddie Fields. The rising card deck was invented by Mike
Devano.
.
The inventive Albert Goshman uses the Devano Deck with almost the
same routine as Allen.
.
Fred Kaps made a reputation with Benson's Long Pour Salt Trick,
whoever's (?) Floating Cork, Joe Riding's Three Card Trick with
Four Cards. Yes, he did add his presentation and handling, but
the tricks were not new, and used by others.
.
You can pick any of the new books coming out and find that there
is a seed that is taken from another person. The exceptions I can
think of are Paul Curry, Max Maven, Jay Sankey and Paul Harris.
Most everyone else stands on the shoulders of giants.
.
I am not criticizing any of these people, it is what happens and
should be given some thought as to the ethics. Sure, something is
being added, such as handling, different prop, presentation.
.
All new magicains, who are not creative, use some of these ideas
and make them fit their own personality. This should be OK until
the performer has more experience, then more originality can be
seen.
.
I don't agree with TA that there are a lot of great tricks out
there. Someone once said there are no bad tricks. I disagree.
There are a LOT of bad tricks. Some tricks are merely puzzles
with no inherent entertainment value.
.
Since every good magicain I know, or have heard of, started out
reading some of the classics I mentioned at the beginning; where
would magic be if these classics did not exist? We would be like
the Egyptians or East Indians passing the art from father to son.
There would be no growth to the art.
.
I am not happy with the magicains who tell u in their books to be
original and then use other people's ideas. Again, somehow we
need to define what is original and what is building and what is
outright thievery.
Msg #33552 Dated 20:13:33 02-17-92 33548 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: OLD JOKE IN NEW CLOTHES
Oldie, maybe, but a goodie! You got me with it.
Msg #33559 Dated 22:36:18 02-17-92 33393 <--> 33572
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
T. A.,
The only musicians I know who do nothing but original material
are heavy metal and punk rockers. I know musicians (and have
worked) who are country, rock and roll, rhythm and blues, jazz
and of course classical musicians.
One of the biggest hits of last year was Guns and Roses doing an
old Paul MacCartney tune. (Live and let die.)
You mentioned Nanci Griffith. I would point out that the only
two songs she has had on the charts (Love at the five and dime,
and Outbound plane) were other people doing songs she wrote.
(With almost exactly the same arrangement. Weird stuff.)
One point that I must grant you was one that was brought home the
other day at the library. While I was looking through some of
the books there, I saw some effects that would be KILLER! Why
isn't anyone doing the cross-bow quarrel through the assistant?
Several of the effects I saw depicted could make for an
incredible act.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33560 Dated 22:36:31 02-17-92 33404 <--> 33563
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
David,
Wonderful! Keep me posted. It'd be fun to have a MAGIC! event
in this neck of the woods.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33561 Dated 22:36:39 02-17-92 33418 <--> 33577
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Jerry,
Great seeing you and "the gang" last night.
I've got the cards soaking in a new batch of stuff. (Along with
some string for Mike King.) I'll let you know as soon as I know.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33562 Dated 22:36:47 02-17-92 33424 <--> 33588
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
Jerry,
Interesting sentence construction. I started out writing fiction
(and in fact bought my first computer lo those many years ago,
for word processing) and was amazed at the incredible number of
idiosynchrocies that the written english language contains.
One can speak perfect english, and still be extraordinarily
ungrammatical in print.
And it only takes one misplaced modifier....
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33563 Dated 22:42:48 02-17-92 33481 <--> 33575
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Pete,
I didn't really expect you to make the trek to Riverside, but
thought that a reiteration of the offer was appropriate.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33564 Dated 22:42:56 02-17-92 33482 <--> 33573
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
re: "Spouse would be a better word."
Bill Cosgo promised that the wording on the application would be
changed. It didn't bother me much, and I think that anything
that allows a good straight line should be considered positively.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33566 Dated 22:43:21 02-17-92 33505 <--> 33571
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Pete,
Totally off the subject, I've got my VCR hooked through an A/B
switch so that I can watch regular and tape cable or vice versa.
You want a description of the setup?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33567 Dated 22:43:29 02-17-92 33510 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CASTLE
Stacey,
Yeah, I know. You waited until you saw me leave before you came
over to talk to all the MAGIC! people. Think I don't know.
(AAAHHHH the paranoids are out to get me!)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33569 Dated 23:07:20 02-17-92 33549 <--> 33597
From: PETE BIRO
To: JIM SISTI (X)
Re: THANKS
I just found out at my new job... JOB?... yep, got to pay the rent
and the Alimony... that I am going to get a MAC... ARgh? Dunno...
.
Walk around stuff. Let me see. Kinda buried until the 26th, but
will look in mine pile o' notes...
Msg #33570 Dated 23:07:26 02-17-92 33550 <--> 33574
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Boy you sure hit a lot on the old nail head there, Cy... Yup....
Goshman's and Don Alan's routines with the Devano deck... (just
a brief comment on the name... it is Mitch Devano) I have the
decks made by Howard Bamman, which are the best ever made....
including a Jumbo Bicycle. It bothered me when Albert had rip off
copies MADE TO SELL. But... argh... whatcha going to do.
.
I agree with you about the good/bad tricks ratio. There are a lot
of crappy ones out there. But like Milt Larsen once said to me
on the subject of doing the same tricks... he likens the need for
the magician to be like the musician and WORK OUT HIS/HER OWN
ARRANGEMENT.
.
This is a subject that could go on forever. A new member of Magic!
has a variant on the Linking Rings that I consider a COMPLETE
DEPARTURE and a Breakthrough in presentation. So, the trick is
older than any books in the English Language, and here a young
fellow in the 20th Century improves the presentation.
.
Defining things are almost impossible. Variants, variations, subtle
differences, minute changes... maybe it is PROGRESS?
.
Saw a video of a guy that had a COMPLETELY NEW AND ORIGINAL AND
FUNNY way a spectator rubs his hand to make a ball vanish. This
to me was incredibly inventive and super funny. Can't wait to
meet him and BEG for permission to use the idea.
.
Same guy had a different way of doing another gag, that we saw
12 other comedy acts use (Bill Wells, Obie O'Brien, Joe Stevens
and I were judging the preliminaries to the Desert Seminar Comedy
Challenge tapes) and he was the FIRST (and subsequently ONLY) guy
that did the bit where it made sense, and at the same time he
came up with an original twist!
Msg #33571 Dated 23:07:58 02-17-92 33566 <--> 33598
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
I have an A/B for the video setup. I think the TUNER is goofy on
the VCR as the cable goes into the VCR and out to the TV. When
taping the lower channels 2-22 are ok, but the higher ones 40 - 45
don't seem to put an image on the tape. Will see what else I can
figure out, but got to work like crazy next 3 days to do a full
week (5 days) work and get my first issue to press!
Msg #33572 Dated 23:07:31 02-17-92 33559 <--> 33584
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Of course Moretti and his son Pantar have been doing quite a bit with
crossbows; ever see their acts? As to Griffith -- she seems to be
categorized as country, and country performers DO perform a lot of old
favorites. When I think of star-type musicians, I am thinking for the
most part of rock and pop artists, who for better or worse comprise the
lion's share of the record and concert work. (I am always amused at how
the term "concert" has come to mean something done in a stadium or a
small county...) In any case, I don't know that magicians are in a
position to have the luxury of doing old standards. The whole idea of
magic is mystery -- and how mysterious can something be if (a) you have
seen it before and (b) know that several hundred other people can do
it?
If there is something only one person can do, it can be a miracle of
magic; if two people do it, it is still perhaps intriguing -- but I
think that as in genuine magic and physics, it is a matter of amplitude
and pressure (oh, I DO hope I know what I am talking about!) Anything
that hundreds of magicians can do cannot, by definition, be very
magical, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS. If said hundreds did Copperfields's
FLYING, and the audience knew this, it would still be pretty...but
that's about all.
Msg #33573 Dated 23:15:47 02-17-92 33507 <--> 33604
From: T A WATERS
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I dunno; so many non-magicians go to these things anyway, under the
impression that they ARE magicians...
Msg #33574 Dated 23:20:55 02-17-92 33550 <--> 33713
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I will agree with you that there are many, many bad effects -- BUT --
in the Castle Library, far from the largest, there are over FIVE
THOUSAND books, as well as files of several magazines running in some
cases for the better part of a century. If you considered that, in
accordance with Sturgeon's law, 90% of it is crap -- Okay, let's say
95% -- there is STILL more usable performance material than all the
people who perform in front of audiences anywhere could use in a
performing lifetime, with no two of them doing the same effects.
This is not even to mention the people who are constant creating new
material to perform themselves.
In re that 95% -- "using other people's ideas", when done with the
proper credit, can be valuable -- if in so doing the writer/creator
takes something impractical or unworkable and turns it into a true
performance piece. Sometimes it is a very simple addition or tweak
that makes the difference between crap and a miracle.
Msg #33575 Dated 23:30:23 02-17-92 33560 <--> 33589
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN ECURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I donno, Kevin. Riverside is hardly what I would call the "neck" of
the woods.
Msg #33577 Dated 0:06:45 02-18-92 33532 <--> 33578
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Biro in the kitchen with a teapot? Could this be a CLUE?
Msg #33578 Dated 0:11:37 02-18-92 33331 <--> 33585
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
He cites you in about 80% of his entries? Whatcha mean?
Msg #33580 Dated 0:16:00 02-18-92 33427 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS
I would try, but she moved to the desert.
Msg #33581 Dated 0:16:02 02-18-92 33431 <--> 33609
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Regarding the talking too much, I've often wondered why someone would
take 2 minutes of good magic and stretch it out to 5-7 minutes with
boring discussion. If the magic is strong it doesn't need a whole lot
of explanation.
.
Regarding doing the same things - I've seen quite a few people using
the pick any card (after selecting one card from a deck) and when it
is turned over it has ALL the cards printed on it. It's boring, dumb,
and a lot of people do it ! What is wrong with these people ??
.
Do they live on another planet or what ??
Msg #33582 Dated 0:16:08 02-18-92 33435 <--> 33591
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
Correction, Arrgh (TM Biro) is used when ANYTHING happens !
Mg #33584 Dated 0:16:13 02-18-92 33463 <--> 33599
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I couldn't help it - we moved to California.
Msg #33585 Dated 0:22:03 02-18-92 33462 <--> 33586
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Thanks Pete, I think I'll go for the pins for sure.
.
Does the Grismer Punch raise a dimple on the card or actually punch
a hole ? Have you seen the manuscript for the 'secret code' mentioned
in the Busby flyer ?
.
Are you coming to the castle for brunch the 23rd ?
Msg #33586 Dated 0:22:07 02-18-92 33516 <--> 33587
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
How about the blond in the red dress ?
Msg #33587 Dated 0:22:10 02-18-92 33561 <--> 33590
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Great ! Put in some cig papers too.
Msg #33588 Dated 0:22:12 02-18-92 33562 <--> 33601
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
Like the story of a freshman an Princeton, asked an upper classman,
'Where's the library at?' The upper classman replied, 'We at Princeto
n don't end our sentences with prepositions'.
.
The freshman said,'Oh sorry, where's the library at, Assh*** ?'
Msg #33589 Dated 0:22:16 02-18-92 33575 <--> 33655
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
It is if you are standing on your head !
Msg #33590 Dated 1:01:26 02-18-92 33586 <--> 33600
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Er, OK, _I_ didn't miss the blonde in the red dress, but alas, she
wasn't a member of our party.
Msg #33591 Dated 1:05:05 02-18-92 33582 <--> 33611
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
Indeed, ARGH! (tm - Biro) is a multipurpose word. But its most
frequent use seems to be when Biro melts another teakettle.
Msg #33597 Dated 6:37:52 02-18-92 33569 <--> 33612
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THANKS
Pete,
There are worse things than having to use a Mac.
Nothing comes to mind, but I KNOW there MUST be.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33598 Dated 6:38:00 02-18-92 33571 <--> 33613
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Pete,
Do you have a tuner box that the cable company installed? In
other words, do you tune your t.v. to channel 3 (or 4) and then
change channels with a different box?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33599 Dated 6:38:09 02-18-92 33572 <--> 33699
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
No, I've never seen Moreti or Pantar perform. It is astonishing
the amount of magic I've not seen.
I agree with you that the people who are performing big time
music are doing original material. I'm, however, talking about
the poor shmoe who is just starting out, and needs the hundred
bucks a night that a bar or nightclub offers for background
music. These people are somewhat analagous to the 99% of
magicians who are not big time.
I've never understood the appeal to the magician of doing someone
else's act. I can imagine doing someone else's effect, but
trying to mimic every move seems to me to be cheapening to the
magician.
Also, just because an effect has been done before, doesn't
necessarily mean that the mystery is gone. If the audience
doesn't know how something is done, then there is still a
mystery. I agree that an effect loses "punch" after it has been
seen, but on the other hand, how many magicians have a
"signature" trick that they do again and again. If an audience
is coming to see a particular magician, they may have seen him
before. Does this mean that we have to change our acts every
time?
Amplitude and pressure? Maybe we should call it the "wattage" of
magic?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33600 Dated 6:38:23 02-18-92 33587 <--> 33607
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Jerry,
It shall be done today.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33601 Dated 6:38:30 02-18-92 33588 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHAT'S HAPPEND
One of my alltime favorite jokes. I'm glad you reminded me of
it!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33604 Dated 7:24:59 02-18-92 33537 <--> 33619
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I have already been fed by youse guys "in honor" and frankly don't
want to be fattened up NO MO.... just bought a book on Juice Recipes
for Health! har...
Msg #33607 Dated 7:25:16 02-18-92 33542 <--> 33610
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I forgot to buy a teapot today... was just out shopping at PRICE
CLUB... didn't see any there... I need one made of Oak, not Pine.
Msg #33608 Dated 7:25:20 02-18-92 -> 33622
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: LOG
Ee;33570
While downloading today via MAGIC.LOG... in the middle of the run
I saw the screen message at the bottom (menu line in Procomm Plus)
CHANGE from LOG OPEN to LOG CLOSED... the messages kept scrolling.
So that is where my vanishing messages are going... to a closed log.
Msg #33609 Dated 7:25:27 02-18-92 33581 <--> 33662
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yes, I do live on another planet. I also hear a different Cellist.
(You mortals hear different drummers)...!!! It really depends on
the quality of the printing on the 52 cards on one piece of card
with Bicycle Back, of course, whether or not it is a good trique.
Msg #33610 Dated 7:25:32 02-18-92 33585 <--> 33629
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Not likely at Brunch 23rd, but mebbe, depends on work sked.
Punch can be set to varied depths. NO PUNCHES punch holes... that
would be "EVIDENCE" the better workers BARELY make a dent... you
just need enough to get a feel... the location and tons of practice
are what it takes. I punch the cards so fine that even I can never
find the spot... ... ;+)
.
Actually the REAL guys can feel the difference between SORTS... ie
one deck feels rougher than another so they mix cards from one
deck to another!!!!!!!!!!! I have seen this in action in Vegas!!!
Msg #33611 Dated 7:25:43 02-18-92 33591 <--> 33766
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
Glad to see you have FINALLY noticed the differences between:
ARgh, Argh, AAARRRGGGhhhh and Argh!!!!!!! Yargh....
Msg #33612 Dated 7:25:47 02-18-92 33597 <--> 33630
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: THANKS
Fer as I know all you need to know to use any computer for what
I do is knowledge of how to type !
Msg #33613 Dated 7:25:51 02-18-92 33598 <--> 33664
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
NO TUNER BOX. Wire comes out of wall. Goes into Sink, full of water,
then down to basement where it runs a treadmill for the lazy mice,
then up through a heater duct, along the shelf where my Marlo books
are (very long shelf) up the wall thru the ceiling, then down
into the dining room, across the table (hidden by copied floppy
disks) then under rug where it goes to a splitter. One splits out
to the barn. The other goes into the VCR.
.
If you believe that, you are a magician. Oh, I misread one of your
ealier messages. Sounded like Burton had been dipped in your mix!
Msg #33614 Dated 7:26:02 02-18-92 -> 33615
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
I like dumb names that rhyme. Bunkey the Monkey? Funky Munky?
Vladimir? (just to be really different)... or Uncle? Remember
"my monkey's uncle"? Stay tuned...
Msg #33615 Dated 7:2606 02-18-92 -> 33618
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Just to clarify... "stay tuned" was not a suggested name.
Msg #33618 Dated 9:34:02 02-18-92 -> 33632
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Well, let's see - Our big stuffed dog (made of fabric, etc., not a
former dog shell that has been stuffed) is named, "Dog," Nathan's
stuffed Dalmation is named "Spotty Dog," and his big stuffed dog
(another one) is named "Big Dog." We have a couple (one of each gender
- Joe Stevens take note!) of sock monkeys and we call them the
"S'Monkeys." So I guess we're not too original.
Oh, yeah, we have a stuffed Ram - we call him "256K."
Msg #33619 Dated 9:39:05 02-18-92 33604 <--> 33712
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Sorry we will miss you at the Castle on the 23rd. There is a certain
irony here anyway - I am planning to be there for Brunch, but with a
completely different group! My twin sister is visiting from Mobile,
Alabama and we are going with a party of her friends.
Msg #33622 Dated 9:52:05 02-18-92 33608 <--> 33634
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOG
Now, if you can only figure out why the log is closing, you will be
making progress! Off hand, I ain't got a clue - maybe some of the
ProComm users will know.
Msg #33623 Dated 10:02:54 02-18-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
MAGIC!-NL Sun 16 Feb 92 17:05
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
I'll be sure to let people know when I plan a trip to LA. Thanks
for the invite! FYI -- you may have noticed that I don't log in
regularly. I'm
staying in a hotel until my furniture and things arrive from the
US, and don't often have access to a computer that I can use to
dial the BBS. Things should be all settled by mid-March.
See ya!
-- Lynn
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Msg #33624 Dated 10:03:03 02-18-92 -> 33627
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
MAGIC!-NL Sun 16 Feb 92 17:06
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
Both you and Arnaud d an incredible job of keeping things up and
running! Has anyone heard of any other countries that want to
join in?
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Msg #33625 Dated 10:03:10 02-18-92 -> 33635
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE
MAGIC!-NL Sun 16 Feb 92 17:13
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
Bob Pritikin is the owner of the Mansion Hotel on Sacramento
Street, and is an amateur magician. I guess he thinks his guests
enjoy
having amateur magic foisted on them after dinner. I also heard
that he plays the saw! I think MacKenzie knows him (whether he
remembers or not is another story...
.
Glad to hear you guys are getting rain, but I heard there's still
no snow in the Sierras, so another year of drought! Not to brag
or
anything. . .but it sure feels great to take a nice long shower
and not feel guilty about it!
.
Funny story about your rice bowls doubling as rain buckets! (I
KNEW they were good for something!)
.
TTFN
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Msg #33626 Dated 10:05:12 02-18-92 -> 33636
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE
MAGIC!-NL Sun 16 Feb 92 17:27
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
I'm assuming that the comment about something in Germany being
called "Carlos and Fritz's" was in response to my comment about a
new mexican restaurant in Holland. Have you seen the Carlos
MURPHY's in the Bay Area? It's an Irish Mexican place. (?!!!)
Yesterday I found a mexican place a few blocks from my new
apartment -- I'm a bit leary of it, but I'm sure I'll try it at
some point!
(1: Hilversum; 2: March 1; 3:very nice, but too small; 4:WAY too
much!)
.
By the way, I found the WIERDEST appliance over here the other
day! (First you have to know that what North Americans think of
when we think of "stove" is very rare over here -- you have your
cooktops and (RARELY, I might add) you have your oven (which is
smaller than breadbox).) Even with this in mind, it's WIERD --
wha I saw was a combination cooktop/oven/DISHWASHER!!!!
(actually it was half an oven and half of a dishwasher).
.
They also have a lot of combination ovens -- conventional and
microwave in the same oven -- chrome racks and all!
.
TTFN
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Msg #33627 Dated 10:06:10 02-18-92 33624 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: I'M BA-ACK!
TO: LYNN HEALY
VIA: MAGIC-NL/NETHERLANDS
Good to hear from you! I understand about the hotel room conditions
and the difficulty of logging in. You are more than welcome here in
L.A. anytime you are on a commute run.
Arnaud has been a steadfast pioneer in global communications. But we
are working on plans to get MAGIC systems going in other countries
around the World. As Arnaud can tell you, it takes a VERY dedicated
sysop to get things going. Meanwhile, at the moment, the MAGIC! family
extends from Europe to New Zealand!
Msg #33628 Dated 10:10:43 02-18-92 -> 33773
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: _THE_ MASTER CRYSTAL
WOW, BURTON! The MAGIC! Master Crystal just arrived via UPS!
INCREDIBLE! Arnaud VanRietschoten was on-line as I installed it, so
the power is already enroute to the Netherlands as well!
The Runes are great - JOURNEY, PARTNERSHIP, DEFENSE, FLOW, and
DISRUPTION/PROTECTION. FANTASTIC!
At first I placed it directly on the CPU, but it can't be seen there,
so I've moved it to a position on a shelf above the CPU, directly in
front of the modems and to the right of the monitor. I think it is a
good place, but if I'm wrong you'll have to advise me. Also, is there
any incantation that should be done upon official installation?
SUPER! WONDERFUL! And MANY, MANY THANKS!!!
Msg #33629 Dated 11:24:57 02-18-92 33607 <--> 33637
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Your teapot should be made out of asbestus.
Msg #33630 Dated 12:51:02 02-18-92 33569 <--> 33663
From: JIM SISTI
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THANKS
Appreciate it. Thanks!
Msg #33631 Dated 12:51:16 02-18-92
From: JIM SISTI
To: ALL
Re: JASON RANDAL
Does anyone have a current address/phone number for Jason Randal.
Please reply privately. Thanks!
Msg #33632 Dated 12:54:05 02-18-92 33618 <--> 33649
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Our first Dalmation was named SPOT. The second named "Deputy"...
First cat: Nathan (Detroit), 2nd Cat: Scout, 3rd Cat: Tuffman (this
was before I met Tabman...) My choice for a Monkey would still be
Uncle. As in "Monkies Uncle"... Monkees? Hmmm clue... I know one
of them, but forget which one... his mom invented White Out and
is R I C H . . .
Msg #33634 Dated 12:54:15 02-18-92 33622 <--> 33661
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LOG
Log you very much. Closed. Am back to using Hotkeys... to download,
but IMP! to respond and Magic.Rep aspect file to sendum... yar...
Msg #33635 Dated 12:54:19 02-18-92 33625 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MESSAGE
There is SOME SNOW fallin' so it ain't toooooo baaaaaad.... headed
to LA this weekend... to work but mite get to the Castle.
.
Can you arrange for Richard Ross to send me a black and white pic
of himself doing the linking rings for my book? Wood appreciate it.
.
Have you visited the island of Marken yet? Is a must do...
.
Tell Koornwinder I found a folder full of Fred Kaps letters. Need
to get Lichtman to inventory what he has in FILES and add these
and get them uploaded! Yo... take care...
Msg #33636 Dated 12:54:32 02-18-92 33626 <--> 33666
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MESSAGE
You cook the food. Eat off the plates and put them back into the
oven to wash! Any BOMB PROOF TEAKETTLES?
.
Nellie (Kaps' widow, had a great kitchen and is a great cook. Maybe
you can swing a visit some time.)... Hilversum, I've been there.
Very scientific town... ala Silicone Valley?
.
An apt. building on Knob Hill is emptied by city, and it is
teetering about to fall down the street... but some guys say it
is OK, bug there is gonna be a political fight on this one. I
would NOT want to live in it. The entire hill has washed out from
under it! ARgh... later... xxx
Msg #33637 Dated 12:54:45 02-18-92 33629 <--> 33640
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Or anything spelled correctly? Half Assbestus, festus... dude...
ARgh... Actually just need a LOUD WHISTLE on it... and my phne
too... miss calls as I cannot hear the darn toy bell it has. Goin'
to Radio Shack next couple of days!!!!
Msg #33638 Dated 13:12:09 02-18-92
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: CHELMAN LECTURE NOTES
Is anyone out there a proud owner of a copy of the Christian Chelman
Lecture notes? I am trying to find a copy. Please advise. I can be
reached here on the BBS or via Ma Bell at (213) 856-5652. Thanks.
Msg #33640 Dated 13:22:02 02-18-92 33637 <--> 33677
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
You and me both, Bro. I don't use a teapot a lot, so that's no
problem. But unless I'm standing next to the phone, I no hear the
ringy-ringy.
Msg #33646 Dated 15:37:09 02-18-92 -> 33680
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
MAGIC!-NL Mon 17 Feb 92 17:57
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
I do not know anything about a reissue of the book. Jeff did tell
me some time ago that he would readvertise the book again, since
he had a lot left. So he had found the stack of them way before
going to Idaho! If there would be a reprint he would have told me
so.
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*Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
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Msg #33649 Dated 16:09:26 02-18-92 33632 <--> 33660
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
I believe Micky Dolenz's mommy invented white out for his music writing
Msg #33653 Dated 19:11:12 02-18-92 -> 33682
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Actually, I thought of naming the monkey Bananas because I found him so
appealing...
Msg #33654 Dated 19:12:17 02-18-92 -> 33672
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
Actually, Jerry Burton (did I spell that right?) was the first to ask
at the Castle, but I did my homework today and found out that the
lowest, and I mean the dirt cheap, rock bottom fare to Salt Lake from
L.A. or Ontario to the I.B.M. convention that the Magicians Travel
Network (that's me) can offer is $173 and is on America West. IF you
live in Long Beach, by all means go to LAX and go from there or else it
will cost you $224. You will have to change planes on America West,
but the fare is good. HOWEVER...if you're going to be a fussbudget or
if you aboslutely HATE changing planes then the best at the moment is
a non-stop on Delta for $324 out of LAX or ONT. I have the America
West schedules (of course!) and they aren't too shabby and we can get
you there without too much pain. True, you have to change planes, but
you save $151. What's not to like??? You can reach me right here, on
the airwaves and I will be delighted to take care of your flight
arrangements. And please - BOOK EARLY!!! (Yes, I am shouting. Are you
listening???)
Msg #33655 Dated 19:24:56 02-18-92 33053 <--> 33657
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Does anyone know where in Riverside on may 12 Copperfield will perform?
Msg #33657 Dated 19:30:51 02-18-92 33575 <--> 33673
From: BURT CARPENTER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
If Kevin lives in the neck of the woods, I'm glad I'm just a little
further east. I guess that puts you at the other end.
Msg #33658 Dated 19:41:34 02-18-92 33388 <-
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: DOUG SMITH (X)
Re: HOUDIN BOOKS
Any book on Houdini is a collectable. $15 is a fair price. Buy them
now, there sure to go up in price.
Msg #33660 Dated 19:48:04 02-18-92 -> 33667
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Benny.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33661 Dated 19:48:12 02-18-92 33608 <--> 33684
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOG
Pete,
Is there anyone in particular that your log file is logging off
after? Sometimes, unbeknownst to us, we send control characters
to the message base, which can do weird things like turn off an
auto-log sequence.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33662 Dated 19:48:21 02-18-92 33609 <--> 33685
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Because no matter how many strings are in an orchestra, there's
always room for Cello.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33663 Dated 19:48:29 02-18-92 33612 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THANKS
re: computer knowledge.
I remember the days when "computer literate" meant you could
program in assembly, and at least two other languages. With dip
switches instead of a keyboard. Now it means you can type.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33664 Dated 19:48:38 02-18-92 33613 <--> 33830
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Oh! So THAT'S the problem. You need to send the splitter from
the barn, back through the house, and end up in a burned-out
teapot. (Heck! Where are YOU going to get a burned-out teapot?)
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33666 Dated 19:48:54 02-18-92 33626 <--> 33686
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Arnaud,
Please post this message for Lynn Healy. Thanks.
Lynn,
There is a restaraunt here in beautiful downtown Riverside called
"Carlos O'Briens." Maybe their related?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33667 Dated 19:49:03 02-18-92 33632 <--> 33681
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Pete,
Mike Nesmith's mom invented Liquid Paper. I have a friend who
swears his secretary hasn't made the change to word processors
well. He says he comes in and finds white-out all over the
screen.
Mike Nesmith was also the only Monkee to have a hit song (written
by him, but sung by Linda Ronstadt) before he became a part of
the group.
Trivially yours,
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #33670 Dated 20:01:08 02-18-92 -> 33690
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: ALL
Re: LAS VEGAS
Does anyone know if Siegfried and Roy will be working
the few days PRIOR to the DMS? I know they will be in
LA for the Magic Castle awards, but what about the rest
of the week? My family will be in town for those days,
and I'd like them to see the show.
Also, any word on Melinda? On Tom Mullica?
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #33673 Dated 20:07:14 02-18-92 33655 <--> 33674
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
All I have right now is "Riverside." But will get more info.
Msg #33674 Dated 20:07:49 02-18-92 33657 <--> 33691
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BURT CARPENTER (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
The weather moves from West to East, Burt.
Msg #33676 Dated 20:16:24 02-18-92
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: PERSONAL MESSAGES
We've had a couple of people recently who have tried to leave personal
mail and who have not spelled the addressee's name properly. When you
do that, the system explains that the spelling is not correct and asks
if you want to correct it. If you do not correct it, the message goes
to the "dead letter" office and is not likely to get read in a timely
manner.
Msg #33677 Dated 20:36:11 02-18-92 33640 <--> 33692
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
OK, keep it private... but it is OK for ALL to start a pool. A pool
as to when I fry my newest teakettle.
.
See, I thought I had it figured. I bought one that (on the box) said
"automatic thermostat" - Uh, it is electric. So I figgered it would
turn itself OFF when hot... right? WRONG...!!!!
.
I cannot win. It says inside in fine print. DO NOT BOIL IT DRY.
.
Maybe I can switch to SUN TEA if, and when, we ever see it (the
sun) again.
.
A
R
g
h
!
Msg #33680 Dated 20:36:35 02-18-92 33646 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
To: Tommy Wonderkind!!! I saw the stack of your books at Busby's
when he was packing to move. Not to worry. I got one from him.
Great stuff. How's your new one coming? I am up to over 250 pages
on mine so far and will do maybe 100 more. Adios... Pete Biro
Msg #33681 Dated 20:36:41 02-18-92 33649 <--> 33687
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
I never thought of that... hah... it wasn't Dolenz tho... was the
Monkee that I met through auto racing... my memory bank is outa
whack...
Msg #33682 Dated 20:36:45 02-18-92 33653 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
YOU ARE DISQUALIFIED FROM NAMING ANYTHING!
Msg #33683 Dated 20:36:48 02-18-92 33654 <--> 34076
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
I have booked a number of acts in the LA area to work in LC, for
the IBM shows. Will see if I can link them up with you for the
friendly fares. OK? Maybe I'll let you name your monkey.
Msg #33684 Dated 20:36:53 02-18-92 33661 <--> 33772
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: LOG
Howtheheckwood I know?
Msg #33685 Dated 20:36:56 02-18-92 33662 <--> 33700
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
You win. I give up... arGH...
Msg #33686 Dated 20:36:59 02-18-92 33666 <--> 33723
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Don't ... I warn you... DO NOT ever eat at PANCHO and WONG'S in
Redondo Beach. They serve either Chinese or Mexican food, but they
use the same serving spoons without cleaning them between ethnic
changes. ARgh...foooey...ptooooieee !
Msg #33687 Dated 20:37:05 02-18-92 33667 <--> 33717
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
I did a story on Nesmith and his truck racing efforts. He did a
film on it called TIMERIDER... i Just couldn't recall his moniker
a few minutes agoooooooooooooooo .
Msg #33690 Dated 20:37:29 02-18-92 33670 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: LAS VEGAS
My guess is they ARE WORKING... the Castle scheduled the Banquet
on their DARK NIGHT... Melinda is said to be going into the Sands,
ad Mullica's place has not been built yet. But is happening. He
just wants to keep the name of the place confidential.
Msg #33691 Dated 20:37:34 02-18-92 33674 <--> 33768
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
And the sun SETS IN DIRT, everywhere but on the Left Coast!
Msg #33692 Dated 20:57:34 02-18-92 33677 <--> 33698
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Pete -
I'd feel a lot better if I knew that you were getting your tea made at
the fast food joint down the street. Really. I've been having
nightmares over the thought of the collection that you willed to me
going up in smoke. OK, OK, I worry about you too.
How about a HIGH WATTAGE timer, like they use in saunas, that shuts the
thing off after a preset amount of time?
Msg #33694 Dated 21:04:11 02-18-92 -> 33731
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: MARCH 23RD
As if the Biro's vanishing act wasn't enough, I will _NOT_ be at the
Castle for Brunch on March 23rd. It seems that my twin sister needs to
be someplace else, so we are meeting her there for lunch. Pity -
everyone will miss seeing how gorgeous she is.
Msg #33695 Dated 21:23:55 02-18-92 -> 33722
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: TOO MANY CARD FORCES?
Me to Nathan: "Get a towel."
Nathan to Me: "Any towel???"
Msg #33698 Dated 22:12:31 02-18-92 33293 <--> 33707
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
The Grismer punch will do everything you want. Look up Grismer's
other items. They are all good, as Ray is a marvelous idea man.
The Gaeton Pin item I like less. It is a very baffling effect,
but the pins look odd to most people. They look more like a magic
prop than the large pins of the Andrus type. You can get the same
effect with the pins and routine that Dan Garrett sells.
Msg #33699 Dated 22:12:42 02-18-92 33294 <--> 33702
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Jerry - I agree. My experience also has been that most people
have not seen that much magic. The magic done on TV is different.
Msg #33700 Dated 22:12:49 02-18-92 33389 <--> 33703
From: CY KELLER
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
It is interesting that the illusion boys use the same material.
Not only the ZIgZag but the trunk trick. The first because it is
so portable and can be done surrounded, the second because of the
great effect. There is no excuse for them to use them on TV when
they've been done before.
.
It is interesting that Doug Henning brought the Torn Newspaper
back to popularity. It is Gene Anderson's, and the patter is not
Doug's either. In the rave reviews on his first Broadway show,
this was the item most mentioned.
.
I feel this is akin to an actor selecting Hamlet for performance.
If K. Branung (sic) had not had the nerve to outdo Olivier we would
not have had a great new Henry V.
.
Agree that recognition works in the favor of tricks, sometime.
Msg #33701 Dated 22:13:10 02-18-92 33390 <--> 33734
From: CY KELLER
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
How about husband and wife, or people with the same address?
That should take care of most of the problems.
Msg #33702 Dated 22:13:16 02-18-92 33393 <--> 33710
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I'll bet that 90% of performers cover other people's material.
Msg #33703 Dated 22:13:22 02-18-92 33398 <--> 33705
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
So there you are!
Msg #33704 Dated 22:13:28 02-18-92 33413 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Agree about lecturers and books. It bothers me a lot. Jon, a very
astute guy, really points up the absurdity. Do as I say - not as
I do!!!!!
Msg #33705 Dated 22:13:35 02-18-92 33426 <--> 33706
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I agree except for the last sentence. Life's mystery is that
the effects are classics - they're great effects - and there
aren't a lot of them.
Msg #33706 Dated 22:13:43 02-18-92 33431 <--> 33714
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
If you don't like something, you can always come up with an
explanation. There is some music I don't like, and I can explain
why. Both of your explanations do not fit the great number of
people who enjoy magic. I've found that most people who don't
like magic have a problem with seeing something they can't
explain. They have a psycological problem.
Msg #33707 Dated 22:13:53 02-18-92 33460 <--> 33708
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
WOW - after all this discussion of using other's material, you
call Joe "the Wizzard of Ahs". This was a line in Orvile Myer's
publicity. Is Orville dead?
.
This reminds me of the criticism of Frank Garcia using Kaps'
publicity quotes.
.
Also, isn't Johnny Thompson's price tag on his tux derivitive of
Minne Pearl's on her hat?
Msg #33708 Dated 22:14:07 02-18-92 33462 <--> 33709
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Great story on the punched deck and Tamariz. The work should not
break the card. Still think the Bloome pins look strange. I use
the Slydini with Andrus pins and they never ask to see them. It
may be an attitude of the performer.
Msg #33709 Dated 22:14:16 02-18-92 33516 <--> 33715
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Do you people on the Coast realize how much all of us in the rest
of the country envy you. You can go to the Castle whenever you
want. Its like going to New York during the Golden Age. Of course
it was harder to get to see magic there - not just membership in
a national society - you had to pay your dues.
Msg #33710 Dated 22:14:25 02-18-92 33559 <--> 33711
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Agree on the music.
Msg #33711 Dated 22:14:31 02-18-92 33572 <--> 33716
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I'll bet that MOST musicians do other people's music. If you have
been baffled and amused by a trick, you might want to see it again.
An audience doesn't care if 1,000 people can do a trick if they
enjoy seeing it. I guess we just disagree. that's all. Would like
to meet and discuss the problem. However we're on different sides
of the continent.
Msg #33712 Dated 22:14:41 02-18-92 33573 <--> 33833
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Great comment!!!!
Msg #33713 Dated 22:14:46 02-18-92 33574 <--> 33794
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Agree that there are a lot of books. Have you considered that many
of the tricks are repeated in the books? Of course every magician
of any worth will make changes. I have never bought a trick that
I didn't try to change it at once. Most never think of this. Perhaps
that's the problem.
Msg #33714 Dated 22:14:56 02-18-92 33581 <--> 33735
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I haven't heard magicians talk too much. I haven't seen anyone
use the card with all the cards printed on it. We don't do these
things on the East Coast. It seems that youall on the West Coast
have a different view of magic than the mainstream.
Msg #33715 Dated 22:15:04 02-18-92 33585 <--> 33721
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
If done correctly, the punch raises a dimple; to much work will
puncture the card. It's up to you. The code is great.
Msg #33716 Dated 22:15:11 02-18-92 33599 <--> 33741
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGIALITY
I don't think that "big time" muic is original. When you put all
of the commercial music against ALL music, there is repeating. I hate
to think that the majority of music lovers are enchanted with hip
hop and heavy metal. I guess I'm an old fogey.
Msg #33717 Dated 22:15:19 02-18-92 -> 33720
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Funky - Junky - Klunky - Jiggs - Apeman - Monks
Msg #33720 Dated 23:04:38 02-18-92 33681 <--> 33742
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Then it was Peter Tork. Either way, there both very rich!
.
And how do you know when a Blond is at your PC? The typos were
corrected with white out!
Msg #33721 Dated 23:05:45 02-18-92 33709 <--> 33724
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Yep, we do realize it! That's one of the problems I have with
envisioning life in any other part of the country (or the World) at the
moment - I'd have to figure out a way to start my own Magic Haven or
something.
Msg #33722 Dated 23:07:57 02-18-92 33695 <--> 33728
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOO MANY CARD FORCES?
Think of a towel, not an obvious towel, like the blue or the green
towel. The towel your thinking of is the patterned one!
Msg #33723 Dated 23:11:48 02-18-92 33686 <--> 33745
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE
and after you eat there at Pancho and Wong's, (after trying the Mu Shu
Tostada) you get the urge to do fender and body work!
Msg #33724 Dated 23:13:38 02-18-92 33677 <--> 33726
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
have you considered a coffee percolater. I use a melita for boiling
water for tea. and remember Honest tea is the best policy!
Msg #33725 Dated 23:16:08 02-18-92 -> 33747
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: REACH OUT CALIFORNIA
For the Californians here, someone just told me about an AT&T product
called "Reach Out California." From what I understand, during BOTH
evening and night hours it allows you to place intra-state (that's
_within_ the state) calls for 10-1/2 cents per minute during the first
hour's use per month and 9-1/2 cents per minute for additional minutes.
Msg #33726 Dated 23:18:48 02-18-92 33724 <--> 33730
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Theres a LONG story about it, but in Mercy, Australia they make a
special tea that, being Australian, they refer to as "Koala" tea. Most
Americans, except for tea leaf readers, don't like it though, because
they make it with loose tea and they don't use a strainer. Seems that
the rule is that "the Koala Tea of Mercy is not strained."
Msg #33727 Dated 22:56:54 02-18-92 -> 33729
From: BARRY GITELSON
To: ALL
Re: 6TH ANNUAL MAGIC SPECTACU
Saturday the 15th was the date for the Sixth Annual Magic Spectacular
in beautiful Kona Hawaii. There were two shows held at the Aloha
Theatre ....a 2:30 matinee and a 7:00 evening show.
The shows lasted almost two hours and were headlined by Les and Terri
Au with the show that won them the prize in vegas last year....with a
new twist added. They brought down the house.....Kona had never seen
such a polished and perfesssional show before. Our other special guest
was a young man from Honolulu, Kris Kabasawa, who won the Hawaii State
"Search For Talent" award in 1991. Kris did a very fine 3 minute dove
act. An added treat from Honolulu was Crystal Au....Les and Terris's
nine year old daughter who did a soap box and coloring book routine.
Performers from the Big Island included....yours truly....Barry
Gitelson who was also the director and producer of the show. I did fun
stuff and opened the show with silk to egg....a card trick from
collectors workshop....burned and restored bill (ala the effect in
Ammars book using the lightbulb) and did a newspaper seance with head
spinning and a floating banana which was slowly eaten and restored!!!!
Arnie Rabin did a few rope effects (Darryls tape stuff) and an
original card effect with a fish tank and a shark....(card shark). Kim
Sweeney did rings,multiplyig bottles and a thumb tie. The comedy team
of "Bento and Jags" did a version of peanut butter and jelly using a
theme of the olympics. The mc of the show was Jon K. Aloha of honolulu
radio station KSSK who did balloons and entertained between performers
with some mentalism and comedy.
Our governor....John Waihee wrote a proclamation which declared the day
"MAGIC DAY IN HAWAII".....our mayor made the same declaration.
The show was a benefit for the american cancer society\west hawaii
chapter and is a major fund raiser for this worthwhile organization.
Our next show will be early next year and we are already looking for
someone to headline the show. We have never had a mainland performer
before and would likle to bring someone in to the islands if it is
possible.
Les and Terri are to be commended for coming to our show in spite of a
very busy schedule. They are two very wonderful people and we are
lucky to have them in MAGIC.
Anyway....it is late and I am tired and spacy but I wanted to get some
form of a report off. Our show was a complete success...
Please give us a call if you are on the big Island....our magic club
meets the first monday of the month but we will call a special meeting
anytime to meet with you mainlanders...
aloha.......Barry (The Great Barusky) Gitelson
Msg #33728 Dated 23:24:42 02-18-92 33722 <--> 33732
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: TOO MANY CARD FORCES?
Erps, sorry, but I was thinking of a solid purple colored towel.
Msg #33729 Dated 23:29:34 02-18-92 33727 <--> 33802
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BARRY GITELSON (X)
Re: 6TH ANNUAL MAGIC SPECTACU
Wow! That sounds like a SPECTACULAR show, Barry! Really great. And
THANKS for the report - super.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Les and Terri next month at Desert
Magic. They are super people. Their pictureis posted on my bulletin
board (physical bulletin board) right next to my computer. Please give
them my regards if you talk to them prior to DMS.
Msg #33730 Dated 23:44:36 02-18-92 33692 <--> 33736
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I will figure it out... the Sun Tea sounds like the hot tip. Mmmm
bad word "hot tip"... huh, just turned lights out in office and
can't see the keyboard... hard to type...?
Msg #33731 Dated 23:44:41 02-18-92 3369 <--> 33752
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MARCH 23RD
Is she married? I can come to Long Beach. I used to live there.
Uh, the best restaurant in L.B. is a French name in the towers,
on Ocean Blvd. West of the trade center... Arco towers? My account
ing firm Price Waterhouse in same bldg. If I remember the name
of the place will letcha know.
Msg #33732 Dated 23:44:47 02-18-92 33695 <--> 33744
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOO MANY CARD FORCES?
I changed the script file and the LOG STAYED OPEN.... MMMMM
Msg #33734 Dated 23:44:54 02-18-92 33701 <--> 33753
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Actually it is Joe's convention and if he wants to give a discount
to a particular genre... Spouse, or NOBODY... that is his call.
.
I think we are making too much of it. If too much fuss is made
he could just say "nuts... no discount, full price for all species"
Msg #33735 Dated 23:45:01 02-1-92 33706 <--> 33764
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Have you noted that when Copperfield, in a live performance,
brings out an illusion that he has done on TV a huge number of
the laymen in the audience break into applause... kinda like
when Sinatra sings New York New York... it is a hit identified
with him and the fans acknowledge it... veddy interesting!
Msg #33736 Dated 23:45:07 02-18-92 33707 <--> 33738
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
There is NOTHING completely new. The Wizard of Ah's was used byu
"Smiley Turner" a San Fran pro in the 50s... and I am sure others.
How many mojo men with the letter E as their last initial called
themselves Mister E....
Msg #33737 Dated 23:45:13 02-18-92 -> 33754
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: TV WEDNESDAY
Ee;33707
Devino will be on a network TV Show Wednesday night. Devino is a
very Avante Garde worker with an effect where flames shoot out of
his eyes... show is Baywatch.
Msg #33738 Dated 23:45:19 02-18-92 33708 <--> 33739
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I think the pins look funny only to magicians, who are used to
the Andrus standard sets... but anyone that pins baby blankets
will just think that is what they are... "Nappy Pins" as they
call them in the UK. The PRINCIPLE is, however, a KILLER....
Msg #33739 Dated 23:45:25 02-18-92 33709 <--> 33740
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
You pay your dues at the Castle by having to watch about as many
LOUSY acts as there are shows... only a few are really TOP NOTCH.
(i guess i better duck here.... owww)
Msg #33740 Dated 23:45:30 02-18-92 33715 <--> 33746
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
A good punched deck will wear out and leave no evidence by the
end of a game...
Msg #33741 Dated 23:45:33 02-18-92 33716 <--> 33790
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
How could you be an old fogey... if you know the term HIP HOP?
Msg #33742 Dated 23:45:36 02-18-92 33717 <--> 33743
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Too late... Funky Munky is already registered with her pet.
Msg #33743 Dated 23:45:39 02-18-92 33720 <--> 33771
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Thass an old Poli... er Ethnic joke, dude... har...
Msg #33744 Dated 23:45:42 02-18-92 33722 <--> 34080
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: TOO MANY CARD FORCES?
Patterned with dirty hand prints...???
Msg #33745 Dated 23:45:45 02-18-92 33723 <--> 34078
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MESSAGE
I had forgotten that line... we used it for a couple of years!
Msg #33746 Dated 23:45:48 02-18-92 33724 <--> 33748
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I almost bought a percolator, but lotsa times I need the hot
aqua for soup or making jello?
Msg #33747 Dated 23:45:52 02-18-92 33725 <--> 33755
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: REACH OUT CALIFORNIA
I have reach out callyfornia, but never look at the phone bills
just payem... argh...
Msg #33748 Dated 23:45:56 02-18-92 33726 <--> 33750
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Koala Tea must be dranken, drinked, drunk? with your teeth clenched.
I like to do tea readings... notthe leaves, the label on the
string... hah... have I ever told you about the seven minute
routine I published with uses for the tea labels and wet teabags?
No. Too bad... is very commercial. But have sold the rights to
Terry Seabrooke. Well, lets see if MAGIC.LOG and MAGIC.REP aspect
files woik, now that i's taken out all unneccessarryy lines...
Bye for a few hours while i Nap... LENO WAS PRICELESS TONIGHT...
Msg #33750 Dated 0:03:32 02-19-92 33730 <--> 33751
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Sun Tea is VERY good (and LOTS safer!), but it is iced tea, not hot
tea.
Msg #33751 Dated 0:05:00 02-19-92 33746 <--> 33758
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Pete - Why don't you get one of those in-sink hot water makers? Some
hotels have 'em, I have some friends who have 'em, and they rave about
'em. PERFECT for making tea, soup, jello, you name it - and supposed
to be VERY economical. Thing is like an extra tap in your kitchen
sink, installed a little apart from the ordinary one.
Msg #33752 Dated 0:08:02 02-19-92 33731 <--> 33804
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MARCH 23RD
Very flattering that you would ask about the marital status of my twin
sister. Er, on second thought, maybe that isn't so flattering! Alas,
yes, she is married. But if I ever have a sex change operation, I'll
let you know.
Yes, if you do think of the name of the French resturant in Long Beach,
please DO let me know. Would they be open on Sunday afternoon?
Sometimes stuff in office buildings isn't.
Msg #33753 Dated 0:10:54 02-19-92 33734 <--> 33805
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I agree with you, Pete. I've tried to knoodle this thing out and I
think that if Joe is accepting significan others, etc. as "assistants"
then the policy is fair - my spouse does like to attend the shows, but
she doesn't go to the lectures, or, for that matter, even the "Ladies"
affairs (I think she went to one once), so the idea that she pays less
is reasonable. It is likely that if she had to pay the same fee as I
do, that she would simply not register.
Now, on to the problem of Nathan being barred from the shows! THAT is
a problem!
Msg #33754 Dated 0:14:12 02-19-92 33737 <--> 33896
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TV WEDNESDAY
Thanks for the Devino tip! Don't know if Baywatch airs down here.
Msg #33755 Dated 0:15:16 02-19-92 33747 <--> 33774
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: REACH OUT CALIFORNIA
Well, Reach Out California is supposed to help, even if the name sounds
a bit strange. Still beats GTE's slogan - "THE POWER IS ON." Doesn't
sound like what I want from a phone company; I have visions of this big
boot crushing me into the ground.
Msg #33758 Dated 0:53:07 02-19-92 33590 <--> 33759
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Neither were Falkenstein & Jennings, unless they joined youse guys
after I left.
Msg #33759 Dated 0:53:09 02-19-92 33607 <--> 33760
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Say what ? You are looking for a teapot made out of Oak ? Gee Pete,
with your history of cremating teapots, that doesn't sound like a
real good idea.
Msg #33760 Dated 0:53:11 02-19-92 33610 <--> 33761
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
How far into a card can you raise a bump ? Burger showed an effect
where you used a quarter to raise a bump in the middle of a card (or
use three drops of crazy glue in the center line of the card) so
you can 'fairly' cut to a desired position of a deck, right on the
table (so there is no possibility of holding a break).
.
Seems like a bump would be better than glue drops.
.
When will you know if you are going to make the castle Sunday ?
Msg #33761 Dated 0:5317 02-19-92 33640 <--> 33762
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I solved the problem by having six phones - one for each room, with
an RF for when I'm on the john.
Msg #33762 Dated 0:53:20 02-19-92 33677 <--> 33763
From: JERY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Do I have this right - you found the Oak teapt and it is electric ?
Msg #33763 Dated 0:53:22 02-19-92 33698 <--> 33780
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Are Garrets pins normal looking ? I hate using 'ordinary' stuff that
looks different, i.e. magically 'normal'. OK - If both you and Pete
like the Grismer punch its a buy. Thanks.
Msg #33764 Dated 0:53:25 02-19-92 33705 <--> 33765
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Excuse me Cy, I'm using IMP! and can't go back to 33426 easily to
see what my last sentence was. The only effect I remember mentioning
lately was the 52 cards all printed on one card - which I personally
think is pretty lame.
Msg #33765 Dated 0:53:29 02-19-92 33714 <--> 33793
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
WE do seem to have a different view of most things out here.
Mainstream on the East Coast ? Hmmmm, I guess I never knew that.
Just where does this stream go through the East Coast ?
Msg #33766 Dated 0:53:31 02-19-92 33591 <--> 33784
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
Melting tea kettles by Biro no longer falls into the category of
something AMAZING - it happens too frequently ! Its become common,
hence the use of ARGH! has lost some of its former significance.
Msg #33768 Dated 0:53:39 02-19-92 33691 <--> 33786
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Come on guys, how many places do you think there are in Riverside
that would be large enough for DC's show. They only have one - the
auditorium downtown.
Msg #33771 Dated 0:58:03 02-19-92 33720 <--> 33799
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Bonzo. Shines (like in Monkeyshines). MOFO (the magic gorilla of P&T
fame). Morris the Magic Monkey. J. Fred Muggs.
Msg #33772 Dated 0:58:05 02-19-92 33684 <--> 33818
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOG
Put the WAITQUIET 2 FOREVER back into the MAGICLOG.ASP and recompile
using ASPCOMP, creating a new MAGICLOG.ASX.
.
I had a similiar problem with downloads terminating prematurely.
Since I put the WAITQUIET back in I havn't had the problem. The only
problem I've seen lately is that noise on the line is changing
characters in the msg number (e.g. 33%84 instead of 33684) if I
respond using IMP! and try to upload the msg, MAGIC! barfs on the bad
msg number, so I have to manually correct it and send it again. Be
careful !
Msg #33773 Dated 0:58:11 02-19-92 33628 <--> 33787
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: _THE_ MASTER CRYSTAL
Since tonight is a full moon, the moon will be entering its waning
phase tomorrow night. Light a black candle every night until the
the dark moon (that will occur on March 3rd) and tell all the spirits
that have been causing problems to depart with the waning moon.
.
Glad you like it - hope it will help exorcise the Kami from your
chips.
.
Bizarre.
Msg #33774 Dated 0:58:16 02-19-92 33725 <--> 33788
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: REACH OUT CALIFORNIA
Hey thanks David. As near as I can figure it currenting costs
0.28/0.22 for evening (5 - 11pm) and 0.16/0.12 for night (after 11pm)
.
I'll check it out.
Msg #33780 Dated 1:05:13 02-19-92 33758 <--> 33782
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Yep, we ended up talking with Falkenstein & Willard and Larry Jennings
a bit after you left. Is there any truth to the story that you are
getting one of your robots a blonde wig and a red dress?
Msg #33782 Dated 1:07:29 02-19-92 33760 <--> 33783
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Both the quarter and the glue drops work nicely. The glue drops allow
you to both cut the deck and to slide it and have it open up at the
dopped card. The quarter is good for quick, impromptu work, and I
think it is less reliable, although it does have the advantage of being
less noticable, particularly with a standard Bicycle deck (it can be
smashed down and will disappear fairly well).
The punch is a whole different thing, unrelated to the above. The
punch is for a mark that you can detect by feeling the individual card.
Msg #33783 Dated 1:10:49 02-19-92 33761 <--> 3389
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I used to have a few very neat cordless phones that had a
transmitter/receiver/dialer that clipped onto your belt and a
lightweight headset. Alas, none of them, even the Plantronics were
well made and they broke easily. Sure wish someone would come up with
a sturdy model like that.
Msg #33784 Dated 1:12:36 02-19-92 33766 <--> 33815
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
Yeah, but so far, I know of no other magi who are doing the melting
teakettle effect. I assume that Biro will be publishing it on one of
the later books.
Msg #33786 Dated 1:15:56 02-19-92 33768 <--> 33816
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Hey! That (that the auditorium downtown is the only large facility) is
more than I knew about Riverside! Is there really a river out there?
Msg #33787 Dated 1:18:23 02-19-92 33773 <--> 33946
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: _THE_ MASTER CRYSTAL
Thanks for the black candle to dark of moon suggestion. Will do that.
The crystal is GREAT!
Msg #33788 Dated 1:19:37 02-19-92 33774 <--> 33819
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: REACH OUT CALIFORNIA
OK, let us know if it (Reach Out California) works as described. If
so, it should be a good deal for a lot of MAGIC! members.
Msg #33789 Dated 1:26:54 02-19-92 33578 <--> 33803
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
At the end of each entry Whaley gives listings of where the term has
appeared in print; in, as I say, about 4 out of 5 you will see "1988
Waters" -- meaning the term is in my dictionary.
Msg #33790 Dated 1:29:43 02-19-92 33599 <--> 33792
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
You might say that spoon-bending is Geller's "signature effect" -- if
one classifies him as a performer; I think a great deal of the value of
it (because it certainly ain't no great shakes as a trick) is the
perception that he is the only one who can do those things.
Msg #33792 Dated 1:31:38 02-19-92 33702 <--> 33891
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
90% of ALL performers? If by that you mean anyone who walks on a stage
anywhere I might agree -- but in upper echelon show business (i.e., at
the level where you can make a decent living) I seriously doubt that is
the case. I assume we are not talking about things like plays here,
which are intended to be done by a number of different casts.
Msg #33793 Dated 1:40:14 02-19-92 33706 <--> 33813
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Those weren't explanations that I quoted; they were simply reactions --
and I don't agree that those who don't like magic have a psychological
problem, any more than those who don't like opera or heavy metal. It
is true that some people have an aversion to magic because they think
the performer is challenging them -- but that is usually because they
have been the victims of bad performers who present their magic as
puzzles, not because of any inherent quality of magic. The sister of
a friend once explained her aversion to magic thus: "I don't like
being lied to." That was the totality of her perception of magic,
although she didn't view drama that way. She simply thought that
magicians lied to you so they could make a fool out of you -- and many
do, or try to.
Msg #33794 Dated 1:55:38 02-19-92 33713 <--> 33890
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Of course many effects will appear in several books, in identical or
variant versions; there are STILL a lot more effects than will ever be
used...
Msg #33795 Dated 5:56:12 02-19-92 -> 33823
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MIKE O'DOWD
Tabby, talked with Mike O'Dowd last night. He was asking about you,
saying you hadn't answered his last letter. He seemed to be in his
usual good spirits. Told him you'd been busy with your conclave and
all, but that I'd get you to write or call him. He plans on being at
FFFF. I told him I planned on going also, so maybe we could take some
more pictures. He says he has a lot more notes and all. Are you still
going to Desert Magic Seminar? It looks like I just might be able to
squeeze it in! Later,
Charlie
Msg #33796 Dated 5:56:40 02-19-92 -> 33824
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: DENNIS PIERCE (X)
Re: COLLECTORS' FORUM
Dennis, your order went out today. Thanks. The Collectors' Forum
address is: Fred Evans, P.O. Box 391, Knoxville, TN 37901-0391. Its
a great little magazine. Fred does a good job of collecting some very
interesting articles.
Charlie
Msg #33798 Dated 5:58:51 02-19-92
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: ALL
Re: PENDRAGON INTERVIEW
Anyone else notice the interview by Peter Pit in the Pendragon issue of
Genii. The table of contents says it is on page 171, but there is only
a photo of them on that page. I guess a picture is worth a 1000
words!
Charlie
Msg #33799 Dated 7:32:28 02-19-92 33717 <--> 33817
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Jerry Burton won the honors with Funky Munky. My daughter laughed so
hard she almost fell over. She said "See, Mom, I TOLD you they were
smarter than you!"
Msg #33802 Dated 7:49:15 02-19-92 33727 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BARRY GITELSON (X)
Re: 6TH ANNUAL MAGIC SPECTACU
Sounds like a mini convention. Wish I coulda been there...
Msg #33803 Dated 7:49:18 02-19-92 33751 <--> 33806
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
My luck it would FREEZE! Yarh...
Msg #33804 Dated 7:49:21 02-19-92 33752 <--> 33841
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MARCH 23RD
Will be talking to someone in Long Beach tomorrow and will check.
Msg #33805 Dated 7:49:24 02-19-92 33753 <--> 33842
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Put some heavy make up on Nathan, get a shirt with an armhole in
the back and do a vent routine...
Msg #33806 Dated 7:49:28 02-19-92 33759 <--> 33807
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I figger Oak would last longer than Pine... hey, how about a
crystal pot?
Msg #33807 Dated 7:49:32 02-19-92 33760 <--> 33808
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
The coin bit is very old. The drop of Glue SHOULD HAVE BEEN
CREDITED to Dick Koornwinder... it is the Koornwinder Card Control.
I never work without it...
.
The Punch Bump should be as FINE as you can feel. Less is more.
.
Uh, the IMP window covers the bottom of your message so I don't
know what else to answer... I seem to have fixed MAGIC.LOG by
taking OUT "close log" in the script... just manually hit ALT F1,
Enter, G, enter... gooooooooooooooooooood
Msg #33808 Dated 7:49:44 02-19-92 33760 <--> 33810
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
When will I know if I will be at castle. MMMM see next message
to you.
Msg #33810 Dated 7:49:56 02-19-92 33761 <--> 33811
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I have several rooms that have phones... but none ring and if I
pick up any other than the one in the kitchen... the answering
machine comes on. Also none of them ring. Very frustrating. And
the ONE that DOES RING is so quiet I often miss calls
Msg #33811 Dated 7:50:02 02-19-92 33762 <--> 33812
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Right as Rain as they used to say....
Msg #33812 Dated 7:50:06 02-19-92 33763 <--> 33820
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
ANYTHING CAN LOOK NORMAL... if presented in the proper manner.
Msg #33813 Dated 7:50:09 02-19-92 33764 <--> 33814
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
LAME? lame... if you ever miss, lose a card, need an out... it
ain't lame dood... it saves your butt! Then there's Marlo's "Tree
of Hearts" now that's lame... unless... nah...
Msg #33814 Dated 7:50:14 02-19-92 33765 <--> 33894
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Read Robert F. Jones' "Bloodsport" (great guy, great novel -fiction)
He has covered events on the "Hassayampa River" that runs from
somewhere in the Himalayas through upstate New York...
Msg #33815 Dated 7:50:19 02-19-92 33766 <--> 33821
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
But ARgh lives...
Msg #33816 Dated 7:50:22 02-19-92 33768 <--> 33822
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
The football feild?
Msg #33817 Dated 7:50:25 02-19-92 33771 <--> 33861
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
MOFO is good, but Funky is already on his gold name tag.
Msg #33818 Dated 7:50:28 02-19-92 33772 <--> 33870
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: LOG
So far so good, but will see... mmmm orig had WAITQUIET 3
Msg #33819 Dated 7:50:31 02-19-92 33774 <--> 33942
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: REACH OUT CALIFORNIA
What kind of dip do you use on your KAMI CHIPS?
Msg #33820 Dated 7:50:34 02-19-92 33782 <--> 33827
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Punch work need be put where your thumb rests in normal dealing
position. My problem is that I cut off a quarter inch of my left
thumb many years ago and the feeling is lost in the critical spot
for punch work... So I use EDGEWORK (matchbook sandpaper is a great
tool for that...) There is a FASTER (very inside secret) way to
put in the work that a coin or the glue does... but am sworn to
secrecy... until the book comes out. (Not mine, a gambler friend's)
Msg #33821 Dated 7:50:43 02-19-92 33784 <--> 33943
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
If I could get the handles to Link the effect would be in my
current tome...
Msg #33822 Dated 7:50:47 02-19-92 33786 <--> 33945
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
No river, but there is a SIDE...
Msg #33823 Dated 7:50:50 02-19-92 33795 <--> 33828
From: PETE BIRO
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: MIKE O'DOWD
I haven't forgotten about TILT, dude... see you at DMS?
Msg #33824 Dated 7:50:53 02-19-92 33796 <-
From: PETE BIROTo: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: COLLECTORS' FORUM
Bring your Vent/Jug list to DMS... I'll bring TILT if I don't mail
it befo...
Msg #33825 Dated 8:11:51 02-19-92 -> 33843
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
M 7 year old daughter, Holly, and I were practicing our close up last
night when suddenly she became very serious and asked me "Who's the
best magician in the whole world?" Immediately I thought of all the
greats - Dai Vernon, Sigfried and Roy, Copperfield, Doug Henning,
Houdini. I said there were a lot of them, but she persisted. "Who's
the BEST, Mom?" My answer was simple. "The best magician in the world
is the one that makes YOU the happiest. The one that makes you feel
the best." "Oh!" she said. "Well, in that case the best magician in
the world is Pete Biro, because he found a name for my monkey."
Msg #33827 Dated 8:29:20 02-19-92 33707 <--> 33832
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Orville Meyer is still living and living in Denver, Colorado.
Msg #33828 Dated 8:29:23 02-19-92 33795 <--> 33864
From: TABBY CRABB
To: CHARLIE RANDALL (X)
Re: MIKE O'DOWD
Yes, I got Mike's last letter recently. he had sent it to my old
address. Guess he forgot that I told him I was moving. I need to
holler at him. Thanks for reminding me. Since the conclave I've
been trying to get things sorted out and figure out how to make
up the loss on the show. Fortunately we got a contract on the
house in Maryland - but unfortunately it was 50 cents on the
dollar - due to settle around the first of May. My plans are to
be everywhere I'm both wanted and needed, but am also putting
out feelers to get a road gig for awhile since I need the bread.
Got a call yesterday from Coal Miner Music (Loretta Lynn) also
Lobo called again last night and wants me to come by the studio
to rap with him abut doing an Asian tour this summer. So far,
everybody that is checking me out needs me AFTER my money comes in
and I WON'T need the gig anymore. Also doing my first mailing for
Conj Woodwrks and some orders are coming in so I start that up
again next Monday after a long self imposed moratorium on magic
building - at least I'm getting to find out who my friends are!!
Have you booked your room for FFFF?? Is Richard going?? Things got
so tight recently that I almost called you in to sell off most of
my books, but decided to sell off a nice old D-28 guitar instead.
Yow!!!!!
Msg #33829 Dated 9:59:29 02-19-92 33232 <--> 33844
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Excuse me for coming in on the Lichtman/Biro message...the overhead
projector order has been placed with Mr. Stevens.
Msg #33830 Dated 9:59:38 02-19-92 33233 <--> 33845
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
...and whose OX are YOU trying to gore?
watch it...or you won't get an overhead projector at ANY magic
convention!!!
Msg #33831 Dated 9:59:48 02-19-92 33244 <--> 33885
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABLES
Hey Tabbo...could I also get one of those brochures? I have never
seen one and would very much like to....I think you already got the
address!
Msg #33832 Dated 10:05:49 02-19-92 33250 <--> 33840
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Nagel and me have all the posters, I will see that you are sent
a couple. Howcomes you didn't get one last July??
Msg #33833 Dated 10:05:59 02-19-92 33352 <--> 33994
From: BILL WELLS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Stacey...that "female accompanying magician" phrase isn't appearing
for the first time in the DMS ad. When it first appeared either one
or two years ago, I was quick to call Amy (who is an avowed feminist)
to see if she if she had been born again or undergone some other
strange conversion. There is no dark plot here...she and Joe simply
could not figure out any other way to say it. They are merely trying
to prevent guys from bringing along a buddy and claiming a discount
for an assistant when DMS intends the discount to apply to spouses
(the term we use on the IBM registration form - although spouses pay
the same as magicians at our conventions). Maybe "significant other"
would have been a state of the art term. At any rate, you should be
entitled to the less expensive rate for your hubby. Just call Joe or
Amy. Feel free to tell them I suggested you call them.
Msg #33834 Dated 10:06:31 02-19-92 33353 <--> 33837
From: BILL WELLS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
Excuse me Stacey...but do I understand that you lived for awhile in
the Alexandria, VA area? I live about 4 miles north of Mt. Vernon.
Msg #33836 Dated 10:07:01 02-19-92 33414 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Although Joe may have access to the BBS via his friends, we might
have Joe on the board himself in the near future. He wants to sign
on and since Amy has a modem, it should only be a matter of time
before he appears here as a user and discovers all these messages
about what an old fashioned, sexist, so and so he is! (actually, Joe
is probably gonna need some help from all of us as he is not that
experienced in computer use - Pete and I were trying him about IMP!
and I think he will mainly be interested in reading the message base
but maybe we can convince him to join in now and then).
Msg #33837 Dated 10:07:24 02-19-92 33423 <--> 33872
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
Delta Airlines offers a special rate to IBMers attending the SLC
Convention. Call
1-800-241-6760 and refer to file # MO268
for savings of 40 to 75% (certain restrictions may apply. Markets
may vary. Seats are limited.) Try 'em and let me know if they do
you any good. We always set these things up with the airlines and
I never really get a good feel for whether they help folks or not.
Msg #33838 Dated 10:07:43 02-19-92 -> 33846
From: BILL WELLS
To: ALL
Re: 92 DMS CONTESTANTS
OK...talked to Joe last night and everyone has apparently been
notified so here is the list of contestants and other performers
appearing on this years stage shows at the DMS. Please understand
that changes can still take place if someone has a last minute big
booking or some other change in plans...at any rate, this is how it
is at the moment!
Thursday Night Show Friday Afternoon Show
MC - Colombini MC - Johnny Thompson
The Magic Plumbers Gazzo Macee
Zaharuk Woody Pittman
Scott Cervine Tony Chapek
Slyvester the Jester Kevin James
- intermission - - intermission -
*Finn Jonn* *Tom Mullica*
Steve Spill Vic & Fabrini
Amazing Frank & Kitten Rudy Coby
*Mike Michaels* *Alexander de Cova*
.
* these acts are NOT contestants - de Cova is the Magic Hands contest
winner. Stay tuned for a list of the close up performers, lecturers,
etc. in the near future. These contestants were selected from some
39 entrants. It was a very difficult job selecting the 12 finalists.
There are three alternates in the event one of the first 12 has to
cancel. The alternates are: Jeff Peterson, Nathan Burton, and Dana
Daniels.
Msg #33840 Dated 11:05:06 02-19-92 33820 <--> 33886
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Hmmm... Guess I will have to wait for the book (the gambler friend's
book) to find out about the secret control technique. Understand about
the edgework.
Msg #33841 Dated 11:06:28 02-19-92 33804 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MARCH 23RD
OK, thanks. Will be heading for Long Beach after the airport (LAX).
Spouse is heading off on a week long business trip. It will be "Daddy
and Boy" week. Means we get to eat Chineese food.
Msg #33842 Dated 11:08:24 02-19-92 33805 <--> 33941
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
You got one heck of an idea there! If Nathan will go along with being
a vent dummy we can save on the airfare too! Terrific!
Msg #33843 Dated 11:14:39 02-19-92 33825 <--> 33863
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
If she thinks Biro is great now, wait 'til she sees his
soon-to-be-published book!
Msg #33844 Dated 11:15:33 02-19-92 33829 <--> 34230
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Thanks, Bill! I knew someone would help with the overhead projector.
Biro is too busy melting teakettles.
Msg #33845 Dated 11:16:40 02-19-92 33830 <--> 34231
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Wasn't goring anyone's ox - from the description, it sounded like a
good act, although a bit non-traditional, and I wanted to encourage
Pete to overcome his reluctance to book it. Besides, without the
overhead projector, I can't do the overhead projector card trick that
you wanted to see.
Msg #33846 Dated 11:22:19 02-19-92 33838 <--> 33952
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: 92 DMS CONTESTANTS
Oh, is this gonna be one incredible DMS!!! Helluva list!
Hey! If there is anyone still out there who hasn't registered for DMS
and who is going to miss this lineup, the S&R backstage tour, and the
MAGIC! session - better call JOE STEVENS RIGHT AWAY - (316) 683-9582 or
(312) 683-5861. And tell 'em you are a MAGIC! member.
Msg #33849 Dated 12:13:41 02-19-92 -> 33852
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: SYSOP
Re: DISKETTES
David:
I changed the device line with the appropriate spaces. It still
doesn't work. If I say format B, it will go to A: because I think it
makes B: a phantom drive. If I say Format D: it goes to the drive and
shows the following message in my screen:
"Checking existing disk format."
"Formatting 1.44m"
"Invalid media or Track O bad - disk unusable."
Format terminated.
"Format another (Y/N)?"
Msg #33852 Dated 12:25:49 02-19-92 33849 <--> 34028
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Uh, "Invalid media or Track 0 bad - disk unusable" generally means that
you are trying to format a Double Density (720-K) diskette at 1.44 Meg.
or a High Density (1.44 Meg) diskette at 720-K. It could indicate
other problems such as a bad controller or diskette drive, but that is
less likely. The fact that Drive D: did try to format is a positive
sign in that it tells us that DRIVER.SYS is working. Have you tried a
Double Density (720-K) diskette with the command FORMAT D: /F:720
That might be worthwhile.
Msg #33854 Dated 15:01:09 02-19-92 -> 34023
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: VISIT
What happened? I've be afraid to go to lunch for fear I would miss
dthe model/actress.
Msg #33859 Dated 16:22:01 02-19-92 -> 33860
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: VEGAS
Last year you didn't make it, but what about this year - NAB - Vegas?
It's mid-April - probably too close to Desert Seminar!
I must have read her message wrong, as I'm sure she didn't call Pete a
monkey. The sport guy got in trouble for calling a football player a
little monkey. Is he?
Msg #33860 Dated 16:31:01 02-19-92 33859 <--> 33866
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS
NAB sounds like it could be potentially interesting - will I be able to
register as your assistant? If it is at the beginning of April, maybe
I can just stay in Vegas after DMS - have Geno see if he can get me a
temporary job selling tickets at his showroom or something.
I don't _think_ anyone called Pete a monkey, but you know me, I always
miss the subtilties.
Msg #33861 Dated 17:51:19 02-19-92 33799 <--> 33876
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Hey...I thoght that was my name... Funky Munky... or was it a tie?
Msg #33863 Dated 17:51:26 02-19-92 33825 <--> 33882
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
Aw shucks ... gee... blush... argh no more... duh... whew... wheee
Msg #33864 Dated 17:51:29 02-19-92 33828 <--> 33887
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MIKE O'DOWD
Don't sell the books... whoa... eat beans...
Msg #33866 Dated 17:51:42 02-19-92 33859 <--> 33867
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS
It was Howarad Cosell, about Black baseball player Joe Morgan,
the "Monkey" line... I didn't think it was meant to be bad taste.
Just Cosell
Msg #33867 Dated 17:51:47 02-19-92 33860 <--> 33869
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS
Pass the bananas... I'm runnin' low... got to go to a club meeting
right now, am late... darn bbs... argh...
Msg #33868 Dated 18:54:00 02-19-92 -> 33884
From: CY KELLER
To: ALL
Re: HELP ME!!
I have a friend and student who will be in San Diego starting
Sunday. What are the magic venues?
Thanks.
Msg #33869 Dated 20:02:38 02-19-92 33860 <--> 33875
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS
Can we had different rooms? From what I saw, Geno could use a cocktail
waitress - how you look in short pants?
Msg #33870 Dated 20:14:54 02-19-92 33608 <--> 33878
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: LOG
Oh for heaven's sake what's wrong with this blinkin' computer now? I
am right in the middle of an interesting message when BANGO! I get
garbage. I could cry! I am NOT having a nice day...sniff...sniff...
Msg #33871 Dated 20:25:37 02-19-92 -> 33957
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
My favorite spots are the Gathering (a great small
restaurant that features close-up -- call for times)
and Brad Burt's Magic Shop. And of course a drive up
to the Magic Castle. It's the ride back to San Digo
after the 1:30 show that's tough.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #33872 Dated 20:29:05 02-19-92 33837 <--> 33874
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
They don't. Take it from ol' Stace, I have been a travel agent for 10
years. The convention rates the airlines offer are 5% off the cheapest
fare and about 40% of the HIGHEST coach class. Neither one turns out
to be much of a bargain. The restrictions are stiff too, and most of
the time the tickets are non refundable and non changeable. I am not
going to toot my horn any more than this. I have a discount to offer
conventioners of $100 to $110 off the published fare. And I ain't
gonna say no more...Magicians Travel Network.
Msg #33873 Dated 20:37:10 02-19-92
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: 34,000 CALLER
Congratulations, Steve, on being the 34,000th caller!
Msg #33874 Dated 20:35:26 02-19-92 33834 <--> 33880
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
I lived right off of Route 1 by the Woodlawn Plantation for 19 years.
I am a Virginian first, last, always. I know all the things you are
familiar with - Old Town, 395, Beltway Bandits, Pentagon Madness,
Crystal City and Al Cohen's Magic Shop at 15th & Vermont. I worked for
a long time with the runaway shelter called This Way House, where I
taught magic through Copperfield's Project Magic. Yes, Bill there IS
a Virginia!
Msg #33875 Dated 20:40:28 02-19-92 33867 <--> 33877
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VEGAS
WHAT!!??!! You would leave _US_ to go to a club meeting? SHEESH!
Hey, whilst you was there, did you see any new trix? You know,
something you can tell us about?
Msg #33876 Dated 20:39:57 02-19-92 33817 <--> 33879
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
MOFO? Is that an acronym? MOFO sounds like something I used to hear
on the streets of D.C. and meant someone who performed unnatural acts
with their female parent.
Msg #33877 Dated 20:41:56 02-19-92 33869 <--> 33912
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS
Actually, uh, not to be rude or anything, but, except for the cost, I
would prefer different rooms! I think I look OK in short pants, I've
been told I have nice legs. But don't they make cocktail waitresses in
Vegas wear short skirts? Donno how I'd look in one of those.
Sidelight: I once was working with a couple of young, very pretty
school psychologists and over lunch we discussed our fantasies.
Believe it or not, both of 'em said they would like to be cocktail
waitresses! Hmmm... wonder what that says about either our schools or
about psychologists!
Msg #33878 Dated 20:45:46 02-19-92 33870 <--> 33883
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: LOG
Sorry to hear about the bad day, Stacey. Call Marvin Stern - he can
help you with a career change.
As to the messages and line noise. You can always REREAD a message by
typing L for List at the little menu at the bottom of it (and, of
course, pressing the enter key).
Msg #33879 Dated 20:46:54 02-19-92 33667 <--> 33933
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
While we're playing trivial pursuit, Davy Jones played the part of the
Artful Dodger in Oliver on Broadway.
Msg #33880 Dated 20:47:49 02-19-92 33872 <--> 34234
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
Go ahead and give 'em Magicians Travel Network's phone number, Stacey.
And remind 'em that they gotta ask for you.
Msg #33882 Dated 20:51:34 02-19-92 33863 <--> 33960
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
Can we have your autograph? My daughter is standing here and blows a
kiss to her monkey's uncle!
Msg #33883 Dated 20:52:50 02-19-92 33878 <--> 33909
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: LOG
I hope I live long enough to figure out this %^&$#@*(&^ computer!
After a day like today I would be happy to take ajob washing windows at
the Castle! My boss oevrheard me ordering new business cards -
magician business cards and snorted "Magic business cards? What do
THEY do? When you hand one out someone disappears?" I looked at him
and replied "If that were the case you'd have been gone a long time
ago!" That's what kind of a day I had!
Msg #33884 Dated 20:56:46 02-19-92 33868 <--> 33913
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
Cy, have them call me at 689-0712 and I will be glad to help out.
Msg #33885 Dated 20:59:14 02-19-92 33831 <--> 34239
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: TABLES
OK, but no photos in brochure which is what Marvin Stern called
my flyer, but will be happy to send one with a snapshot if I can
find one. Yes, got address.
Msg #33886 Dated 20:59:18 02-19-92 33832 <--> 33893
From: TABBY CRABB
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
You got the IBM posters from the baltimore conv??? I bought a half
dozen while I was there, had four autographed for some special
friends (I kept one for myself) and gave the other two away; one to
Rudy (my backstage hand) and the other to Ken Klosterman. I was
wanting to get a few more as I think they are quite beautiful and
enjoy sharing them with special people who otherwise don't have one.
I will keep the autographed one for myself (probably). How is things
in the DC area?? How is the mayor doing?? The ex-mayor?? We are
adapting to the pioneer lifestyle and beginning to get into the
stream down here. The magic was better in the DC area with you,
Scotty, Howie, Bob Sheets, Dave Williamson, et al (2brute) but
music is better here. The magic thing is more a national and
international scene anyway. Last time I saw ya'll ws in Salt
Lake City anyway, but I will miss the Tex-Mex dinners and an
occasional trip to Old Towne. The lichen is really booming right
now if you need more!!!
Msg #33887 Dated 20:59:32 02-19-92 33864 <--> 33910
From: TABBY CRABB
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MIKE O'DOWD
I hear you. I sold my acoustic guitar last week and get an offer
tonight to play acoustic with Paul Overstreet. Amazing!!! Of all
the bad decisions I've made in the last year, that was one of them.
I'd sell anything though to keep things going just to be there when
the good times roll. Was at studio with lobo today. Just like old
times. All guys from old band successful in their own right doing
a cd for Tiawan. Anyway, don't really intend to digress from magic
and am actually working toward my continuing magic building goals
by taking a home study course in metal machining in anticipation
of getting a lathe/mill later this summer. Realtor called today
and said money may come sooner as buyer is hot to get to work on
renovations for a bed and breakfast - we had thought of doing the
same thing, but when Gloria told me I couldn't roam around in my
underwear with paying guests in the house I blew the idea off.
Do you have lecture notes left from Nashville??? Couple of guys
here didn't get a chance to buy them wanted me to ask you? BTW, been
eating a lot of beans and venison, potatoes too!!! Looking 4ward
to seeing Drive! Guys studio at today is a street rod buff - a 32
coupe, chopped and chaneled with electric windows, a 4 litre V6,
air...black with flames. Lobo has a 78 VW convert with less than
6000 miles on it. No music magazines in sight - car books all
over the place.
Msg #33890 Dated 21:08:36 02-19-92 33570 <--> 33928
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
It does my heart good when Biro agrees with me. You're correct,
of course, on Devano's first name. The best decks are the ones
with the pins, not the stickum. I think I still have one around.
Loved the effect. Two cards only with the deck rested against a
glass. Most of my work now is walk around so I haven't used it in
a while.
.
Right on bad tricks. I would like to see someone do the 21 card
trick and make it entertaining. Most Faro tricks fit this
category also. The metaphor of music arrangements is apt.
.
Like to see the new Linking Ring bit and the ball vanish. They
sound interesting.
Msg #33891 Dated 21:08:54 02-19-92 33572 <--> 33892
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
In Aesop "the Lion's Share" is ALL -EVERYTHING. I'm not sure
that, when all is taken into account, that there are more rock and
pop concerts. They don't seem to play much in Vegas or Atlantic
City. I may be wrong - maybe Variety or Billboard could settle
the argument.
.
Something can be very mysterious if you have see it before. The
exceptions are those tricks which have a surprise finish. Look at
all the people, including myself, who repeat the card under the
ash tray. I understand Kaps did the card to the wallet as a
repeat number. The lay public doesn't know that "several hundred
other people ca do it". If they did, an the effect and
presentation are good, they would not care.
.
What the hell is "genuine magic"? What is this strange definition
of magic that says if hundreds can do something, it isn't
magical?
Msg #33892 Dated 21:09:15 02-19-92 33599 <--> 33903
From: CY KELLER
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Aren't Sinatra, Torme etc. big time? Obviously doing someone
else's act is piracy. They should be spoken to. (See above joke
for ending sentences.) Agree with most of everything else you
said.
Msg #33893 Dated 21:09:24 02-19-92 33610 <--> 33895
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Grismer's punch can punch holes, if you don't know what you are
doing. Its a needle that does the punching. I'd like to see that
action with the SORTS. Sounds great. Most of us don't want a
punch for gambling work, however.
Msg #33894 Dated 21:09:33 02-19-92 33735 <--> 33901
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yeah. Right on the money. It's not veddy interesting - it's human
nature. Think of all the kids who want to hear the story again. I
hope I don't get into trouble with "kids" as not being PC.
Msg #33895 Dated 21:09:40 02-19-92 33736 <--> 33897
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I'm sure Orville was using it in the '40's. You're right, there
is nothing new. But wait! How about that guy with something new
on the linking rings?
Msg #33896 Dated 21:09:48 02-19-92 33737 <--> 33927
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TV WEDNESDAY
What kind of network show is called "Baywatch"?
Msg #33897 Dated 21:09:53 02-19-92 33738 <--> 33898
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
A lot of people have seen diaper pins that look like the Andrus
Pins. I have never seen pins like the Bloome. Yes. it is a
killer.
Msg #33898 Dated 21:10:01 02-19-92 33740 <--> 33899
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Punched deck wear out by the end of game? I can't find them after
15 minutes practice. Have to repunch!
Msg #33899 Dated 21:10:07 02-19-92 33760 <--> 33900
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Don't use a puch for a locator card. The glue seems to be the
real work at present. The coin marked card and some routines are
in the Gene Gordon book. Forget if it's his or gives credit.
Either can give one the reputation of a great card man.
Msg #33900 Dated 21:10:16 02-19-92 33763 <--> 33907
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
The Garrett/Andrus pins look like diaper pins. When I use them,
which is always, they are easily recognizeable. I use the Andrus
Pins and the Slydini routine. Nobody asks to examine them.
Msg #33901 Dated 21:10:23 02-19-92 33764 <--> 33902
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yeah, its the 52 cards printed. Besides George Shlindler, I
dont't know of anyone using it on the East Coast. I think it
would play well. I remember when the East Coast was the heart of
magic.
Msg #33902 Dated 21:10:32 02-19-92 33765 <--> 33905
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
The mainstream goes from New York City to the Atlantic Ocean,
through the Chesapeake Bay, to the Potomac and Washington D.C.
Watch the nightly news. They mention the West Coast only if there
is a calamity or former governors are running for president. The
Castle is a great venue and I liked reading about all the West
Coast people in the Genii. However don't forget the Golden Age of
Magic when Vernon and all the greats were in New York. Those were
the days of tigtly constructed magic.
Msg #33903 Dated 21:10:44 02-19-92 33790 <--> 33904
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
NO! If I tell an audience that this is a trick that they've heard
about being done by Geller the'll sit up and take notice.
Incidentally TA you would have to agree that this is a NEW
effect, even if it's no great shakes. Just the kind of thing you
seem to want.
Msg #33904 Dated 21:10:53 02-19-92 33792 <--> 33922
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Decent living? Upper echelon? I still disagee.
Msg #33905 Dated21:10:58 02-19-92 33793 <--> 33906
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Agree that aversion to magic is due to performers who challenge
and "one up" the audience. This is of course the fault of the
performers and we have to live with it. Style is everything. I go
to great lengths (are there any other kind) to let the audience
know that we are all having fun together. A superior attitude
never works. There are still people who are disturbed by watching
things they can't explain.
Msg #33906 Dated 21:11:10 02-19-92 33813 <--> 33911
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yeah Pete, the 52 card trick is a great out. I don't know what
the problem is with this. 99.44% of the people have never seen
this. If someone does it on TV,thats another problem. Check the
Nielson and you'll find most people didn't watch it.
Msg #33907 Dated 21:11:18 02-19-92 33820 <--> 33908
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Sorry about your thumb. What is edge work? I should know, since
I've been around a while. Still not clear on edge work, though
the match pad is a great idea. The secret work seems to be a
center crimp. I just tried it out ant it seems to work. The great
thing about the coin method is that you can feel if you've got it
by squaring the deck.
Msg #33908 Dated 21:24:47 02-19-92 33789 <--> 33925
From: EVAN KATZ
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Got it. How are you? Saw your book (several copies) in the Century
City Brentano's, made me happy.
Msg #33909 Dated 21:30:56 02-19-92 33883 <--> 33950
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: LOG
Order Michael Ammar's ICEBREAKERS Video right away! It has a nice
business card routine on it - probably knock your boss over.
Msg #33910 Dated 21:35:12 02-19-92 33887 <--> 33961
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MIKE O'DOWD
Tabman -
If you is hangin' around with Lobo again, please tell him he's got an
anonymous fan (me). His tunes took us through a lot of cross country
moves and some tough times. Hope that if I ever get over to the Nuevo
de Carlo, that you will arrange to invite him over for bar-b-que.
Msg #33911 Dated 21:39:18 02-19-92 33902 <--> 33924
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Funny, Cy, on our evening news it is the East Coast that barely gets
mentioned. I've often thought that the West should be a separate
country (but, then again, I always thought the same about the South),
given that we have so little contact, and so little in common, with the
East. You can go for days out here without ever hearing about the
opposite coast.
Msg #33912 Dated 21:52:46 02-19-92 33877 <--> 33918
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS
Anyone that goes to a psychologist should have their head examined.
Msg #33913 Dated 21:56:05 02-19-92 33884 <--> 33975
From: MARVIN STERN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
Just in case there are more than one area codes in the SD area, perhaps
you should post it - I know there's 619 and maybe 714, maybe others.
Do you live anywhere near Scripps Ranch area. My son and family live
there, and his practice is in I think it's called Valley Circle - just
off the freeway 8(?).
You sure seem to have made a hit with these guys. Biro used to get
most of the mail, now it seems to be you.
Msg #33918 Dated 22:22:39 02-19-92 33912 <--> 33958
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS
Argh! (tm - Biro). Now that you've got a computer at home, we get
Marvin Stern'isms both morning and night! The only safe time to log on
is on Fridays at lunchtime!
Msg #33920 Dated 22:31:38 02-19-92 -> 33976
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACK CANDLE
Per your prescription, Doctor, the black candle is burning nearby. May
the Kami follow the waining moon!
By the way, within a few feet is my personal computer that has some
weird hard drive responses. Will one candle cover both?
Msg #33922 Dated 23:19:21 02-19-92 33891 <--> 33923
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
It is MY definition. To be genuinely magical something must have the
appearance of true magic, fantasy magic -- we are supposed to be
playing the parts of REAL MAGICIANS, not imitation magicians. To be
magical something has to be impossible. If one person can do something
he or she is a miracle worker -- but something that hundreds of people
can do is by definition not a miracle, not unusual, and therefore
cannot be magical.
This is all premised on the idea that a stage magician is someone who
simulates real magic, which is my view. Many people view magicians as
just people who know how to do puzzling things; tricksters and/or
entertainers they may be, but do not fit my definition of a magician.
Msg #33923 Dated 23:23:26 02-19-92 33903 <--> 33930
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Actually, no; Annemann had the Bending Swizzle Stick in an early JINX,
and something of the sort was in Abra in the 50s.
Msg #33924 Dated 23:24:31 02-19-92 33905 <--> 33936
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
It depends on how the superior attitude is projected, and in what
context; it is unlikely to work for a closeup performer, but may be
very workable on stage. To take just two examples -- Channing Pollock
was very clearly not "just folks"; he projected the air of a superior
being and it worked very well for him. In the present there is Max
Maven. His audiences have no doubt that he is in many ways superior to
them, and Max doesn't necessarily try to hide this; in fact, he has a
lot of fun with it.
Msg #33925 Dated 23:26:58 02-19-92 33908 <--> 33926
From: T A WATERS
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I'd be happier if you saw my books going OUT of the bookstore...
Msg #33926 Dated 23:30:52 02-19-92 33820 <--> 33932
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
No, no, Pete; it is the second or third finger you're supposed to cut
the end from, for bottom deals...
Msg #33927 Dated 23:40:46 02-19-92 33896 <--> 33965
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: TV WEDNESDAY
It isn't network; it is syndicated. It is called BAYWATCH because it
is about people who watch the bay -- lifeguards.
Msg #33928 Dated 23:42:19 02-19-92 33890 <--> 33996
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
In reply to another message -- the coin-impression locator card is Will
de Sieve's, and is described in GREATER MAGIC (p.478).
Msg #33929 Dated 23:14:35 02-19-92 -> 33978
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
WARNING: The book identified in the following is not recommended
for those who are not familiar with the works of Euripides, for those
who do not make daily distinctions between the Appolonian and the
Dionysian, and for those who only consider Comte Donatien Alphonse
Francois, Marquis de Sade, as a dirty old man.
This Sunday's L.A. Times Magazine had an article on "The Many Masks of
Camille Paglia," by Deanne Stillman. It seemed to me that Ms. Stillman
was so horrified by Paglia that Paglia's book, "Sexual Personae: Art
And Decadence From Nefertiti To Emily Dickinson," (New York: Vintage
Books, 1990, ISBN 0-679-73579-8 [paperback]) would certainly be worth
reading.
I've just started, and for anyone who is really "into" analysis of art
and our culture, this is an incredible book! The New York Times:
"The ability to infuriate both antagonists in an ideological struggle
is often the sign of a first-rate book." Raritan: "Her book
is more interesting than the last five books by Derrida, contains more
psychological wisdom than the complete works of Lacan, tells you better
truths about gender than a whole library of academic feminism, and is
more intriguingly decadent than Robert Mapplethorpe."
Opening the book at random leads to a treasure-trove of bombshell
lines, delivered with Patriot missile precision. Here's a timely one
from page 247 of this 673 page book (718 pages if you count the Notes
and Index):
"Serial or sex murder, like fetishism, is a perversion of male
intelligence. It is a criminal abstraction, masculine in its
deranged egotism and orderliness. It is the asocial equivalent
of philosophy, mathematics, and music. There is no female Mozart
because there is no female Jack the Ripper."
Or how about:
"Decadence is a disease of the western eye. It is an
intensification of the voyeurism latent in all art."
Definitely not for the faint of heart!
Msg #33930 Dated 23:56:24 02-19-92 33922 <--> 33980
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
But, T. A., aren't the effects merely manifestations of magical power?
If I can levitate someone, and you can levitate someone, doesn't that
still make us different than ordinary persons?
Maybe the problem is "dumb" tricks. If I have magical powers or am a
"miracle worker," why would I want to do Professor's Nightmare?
Msg #33932 Dated 1:15:59 02-20-92 33750 <--> 33935
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I think for Pete the best approach is sun tea, then fill a cup & nuke
it for hot tea. This approach is recommended by the ASPCT.
(American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Teapots)
Msg #33933 Dated 1:16:02 02-20-92 33799 <--> 33934
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Thanks for the honor, but I don't think I offered that name.
Msg #33934 Dated 1:16:05 02-20-92 33861 <--> 33959
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Yo - you win. Stacey must have got us confused again. You know how
it is with handsome rich eligible guys like us.
Msg #33935 Dated 1:16:07 02-20-92 33806 <--> 33938
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
No, unfortunately crystals can't take a real sudden change in tempera
ture. They kind of explode if you heat em' too fast - gets the struct
ure shaking too fast and it fractures all at once.
.
Have you tried concrete !
Msg #33936 Dated 1:16:10 02-20-92 33813 <--> 33937
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
OK I'll give you that, IF YOU USE ONLY AS AN OUT.
.
But if it's the WHOLE effect, that's lame.
.
Seabrooke did a funny bit in the parlour. He said, 'Think of a card,
any card'. I thought here we go invisible deck or the full deck card.
He selected one card from a deck and looked the person straight in
the eye while holding the card directly in front of him and said,
'What was your card ?'. The person said 'six of spades'.
.
He leans back with a look of disappointment says 'Damn missed again'
while tearing the card into little pieces and throwing it on the
floor. It was a gas.
Msg #33937 Dated 1:16:18 02-20-92 33814 <--> 33969
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
So the 'mainstream' is the Hassayampa River. From the Himalayas thru
upstate NY - that's a pretty long river. Will have to see if I can
find the book.
Msg #33938 Dated 1:16:21 02-20-92 33739 <--> 33939
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I would put the ratio of castle acts at 25 % lousy, 50 % mediocre,
15 % good, 10 % top notch. You get to know real quick who to see and
who to avoid. Every so often a new one pops up that is a surprise.
.
It's a good place to hang out and see the 'real' work outside the
show rooms.
Msg #33939 Dated 1:16:25 02-20-92 33780 <--> 33940
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I don't think anything mechanical could match the bioplasm that
was filling the red dress I saw.
Msg #33940 Dated 1:16:28 02-20-92 33810 <--> 33955
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Hmmm, how did you manage to get only one phone to ring. When someone
calls here all six of them ring, can hear them throughout the house.
Msg #33941 Dated 1:16:31 02-20-92 33753 <--> 33979
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I have met Nathan and would have absolutely no problem of having
someone of his demeanor attend the convention, I would shudder to thi
nk what DMS would become if ANYONE could bring ANY KID.
.
I like kids (with a little sweet & sour sauce they are quite good)
but don't want to be around the little sweethearts when I'm at a
magic convention. Las Vegas has got to be one of the worst places on
the planet for a kid. There isn't a whole lot for them to do.
Msg #33942 Dated 1:16:36 02-20-92 33819 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: REACH OUT CALIFORNIA
Soy sauce is preferred. Can also use green chinese mustard.
Msg #33943 Dated 1:16:39 02-20-92 33821 <--> 34010
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
Yeah that's it, research for the book, linking tea pots. Great idea !
Msg #33945 Dated 1:16:45 02-20-92 33822 <--> 34083
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I think they paved it over with freeway - the river that is.
Msg #33946 Dated 1:16:47 02-20-92 33787 <--> 33982
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: _THE_ MASTER CRYSTAL
Uh David I just noticed the Re title _THE_ MASTER CRYSTAL. I sent
you a cluster. There maybe a master inside somewhere but I'm not sure
.
A master crystal is one that has 3 faces with 3 edges (small triangle
s) and three faces with 7 edges. They pretty rare. A transmitter
crystal is one with a small 3 edge face and a 7 edge face opposite,
with the remaining four faces somewhat symetrical.
Msg #33950 Dated 1:17:03 02-20-92 33818 <--> 34011
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOG
Yo, I changed it to WAITQUIET 2 FOREVER, saves a second of time on
the log off - works just fine, with the speed of the new system 1
might even work - I havn't tried it tho.
Msg #33952 Dated 1:17:10 02-20-92 33846 <--> 34246
From: JERRY BURTON
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: 92 DMS CONTESTANTS
Sounds like a great line up, can hardly wait.
.
I'm driving over Weds the 18th if anyone needs a ride I could use
the compnay.
Msg #33954 Dated 1:17:20 02-20-92 -> 33983
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: PSYCHIC SURGEONS
Ee;
Went to an interesting lecture tonight on the 'psychic surgeons' of
the phillipines. Some of the most graphic video I've ever witnessed.
.
I asked about the claim that Randi had made that the blood and 'stuff
they pull out have been analyzed and were actually chicken parts. He
said they do use some 'foreign' material to make the healing more
dramatic for westerners, who would not be as impressed with the
straight psychic healing. It's kind of the placebo effect, using
blood and 'stuff' helps the patient 'believe' in the otherwise
invisible psychic healing that is really occuring.
Msg #33955 Dated 1:37:25 02-20-92 33932 <--> 33956
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Good thinking! I agree! Pete should do sun tea and then nuke it.
Only safe way for him.
Msg #33956 Dated 1:38:54 02-20-92 33939 <--> 33963
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
We're gonna have Stacey all over us in the really near future! But at
the risk of life and limb, I would point out that there wasn't all that
much red dress to fill. And there seemed to be ample bioplasm.
Msg #33957 Dated 1:43:02 02-20-92 33871 <--> 34115
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
I am commuting to San Diego this weekend and will be at Jack
Murphy Stadium most of the time.
Msg #33958 Dated 1:43:06 02-20-92 33875 <--> 33974
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: VEGAS
Was an auction. I bought a dancing cane, the Kennedy Floating
cigarette and some books.
Msg #33959 Dated 1:43:09 02-20-92 33876 <--> 33999
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
MOFO is a name for a monkey? that Penn and Teller utilize... on
T-Shirts, etc. "MOFO KNOWS" is the slogan... and am sure it means
what you think... ARgh...
Msg #33960 Dated 1:43:14 02-20-92 33882 <--> 34001
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
NO. SORRY NO AUTOGRAPHS... UNTIL DMS...
Msg #33961 Dated 1:43:17 02-20-92 33887 <--> 34241
From: PETE BIRO
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: MIKE O'DOWD
Will sendya some maganizes...
Msg #33963 Dated 1:43:28 02-20-92 33893 <--> 33964
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Punch work for magic is a wonderful principle... The rough cards
action? Yep, is a killer in my friend's hands... he wants me to
help write HIS BOOK next .... the real stuff from a real con man
turned undercover for the Casinos... I have seen him CHEAT in a
real black jack game in Vegas.
Msg #33964 Dated 1:43:35 02-20-92 33895 <--> 33966
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Trick still same... Presentation is GREAT and UNIQUE... and is
marketed... Whit Haydn's !!! He is new here and in read only mode
right now (sorry Whit, you got to come out soon!!!)
Msg #33965 Dated 1:43:39 02-20-92 33896 <--> 34123
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: TV WEDNESDAY
Darned if I know. I only watch: StarTrek 2nd Gen. Mystery Science
Theater 3,000, Night Court, Jay Leno on Tonight show... and some
PBS Stuff -- and Auto racing. Football and Baseball. Then once a
year Ice Skating. Can't stand shows with living rooms full of
kids showing no respect for people, smart A** remarks, etc.
Oh, once in awhile Murphy Brown (I like Edgar Bergen's daughter)
Msg #33966 Dated 1:43:47 02-20-92 33897 <--> 33967
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Buy the Bloome set and throw them away making a dupe set in the
style you like!
Msg #33967 Dated 1:43:51 02-20-92 33898 <--> 33968
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I play a very quick game! Had an Ace High Royal Flush dealt to me
and I exploded... everyone read me like an open book and folded!
.
Same thing happened one night when I got 3 Aces in 333. ARgh...
Msg #33968 Dated 1:43:56 02-20-92 33899 <--> 33971
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
The Vernon handling with the thumbnail is killer too.
Msg #33969 Dated 1:43:59 02-20-92 33902 <--> 33970
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
It followed Vernon West.
Msg #33970 Dated 1:44:02 02-20-92 33906 <--> 33973
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I had some ad execs at dinner. One of my friends in the group asked
me to do some impromptu magic. So I started to do the paper balls
over the head on the guy in the best angle seat, etc... and
WHAMMO... HE KNEW IT... SAID, "I saw a guy do it on Tv the other
night!" That kind of trick DOES NOT BELONG ON TV.
Msg #33971 Dated 1:44:09 02-20-92 33907 <--> 33972
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
With Bee cards, sandpaper a little bit of the edge of the cards
you see white like a neon light! Location, size of white, etc.
Most use it for blackjack and only do the 10 value and Aces.
Msg #33972 Dated 1:44:13 02-20-92 33908 <--> 33977
From: PETE BIRO
To: EVAN KATZ (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Hard bound in Brentano's ? Got to get one some how...
Msg #33973 Dated 1:44:16 02-20-92 33911 <--> 33985
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
LA should be its own STate...
Msg #33974 Dated 1:44:19 02-20-92 33912 <--> 33984
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VEGAS
Psychiatrist sign: Sure cure or your MANIA BACK.... OWWWWW
.
SUPPORT MENTAL HEALTH... OR I'LL KILL YOU
Msg #33975 Dated 1:44:24 02-20-92 33913 <--> 33998
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
I still get 600 or so Private Messages a day. Nya Nya Nya...
Msg #33976 Dated 1:44:27 02-20-92 33920 <--> 33986
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACK CANDLE
Let the wax melt over all computers....ArGh...
Msg #33977 Dated 1:44:30 02-20-92 33926 <--> 34004
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I know... but I was young then...
Msg #33978 Dated 1:44:33 02-20-92 33929 <--> 33987
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
What does that have to do with naming a monkey?
Msg #33979 Dated 1:41:16 02-20-92 33941 <--> 34009
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Thank you, Jerry! I wish Joe Stevens was already on-line, so he could
see your endorsement of Nathan's attendance. I agree that it would be
unwise to permit just any kid to attend, but, then again, there are
some 40 and 50 and 60 year old kids who get to attend only because of
the age on their driver's license.
You are right, for ordinary kids there isn't a lot to do in Vegas. And
the babysitting costs are astronomical (as well as our intense dislike
of leaving him with strangers). The cost of a sitter will exceed the
registration cost for the convention! Easily!
Nathan likes the shows - he's been to Melinda's and Copperfields, and
is looking forward to Burtons (the other ones, although I think he will
want to see yours too).
Msg #33980 Dated 1:44:36 02-20-92 33930 <--> 33988
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
You would want t do Professor's Nightmare if you had a novel
approach and it was as magical as my version. Or as clever as
Whit Haydn's "Mongolian Pop Knot" handling. I forgot how good
that was!
.
Ever see Paul Daniels do the Professor's Nightmare? Now that is
entertainment! Got to hit it. Check the time ... ARGZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
.
MAGAZINE DEADLINE TOMORROW... MY FIRST BIRO ISSUE... STILL NOT
A "B I R O" ISSUE YET... GIMME A FEW MONTHS... Circ. 84,000 and
growing... Left Coast Only. Which is just right! YO>>> owwwww
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Msg #33982 Dated 1:46:28 02-20-92 33946 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: _THE_ MASTER CRYSTAL
OK, forgive my error. There may be one inside the cluster, but I'm too
tired right now to look for it.
Msg #33983 Dated 1:50:46 02-20-92 33954 <--> 34013
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PSYCHIC SURGEONS
Interesting about the psychic surgery. I wonder if I can get a psychic
liposuction?
Msg #33984 Dated 1:51:41 02-20-92 33958 <--> 34233
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VEGAS
Oh, well, if there were tangible products for sale, I can understand
your leaving MAGIC! to go to a meeting.
Msg #33985 Dated 1:55:22 02-20-92 33973 <--> 34007
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Nah, I kinda liked the plan where they wanted to divide California into
two states - lengthwise! That was the most creative one so far.
Msg #33986 Dated 1:56:35 02-20-92 33976 <--> 34166
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BLACK CANDLE
I'm keeping the wax contained. Don't want it all over the computers.
Especially this stuff - black wax is messy. At one point tonite, the
drip down the side looked like a bloodhound standing up. Since it was
facing the modems, I figured it was the mojo working.
Msg #33987 Dated 1:57:58 02-20-92 33978 <--> 34045
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Ah, I would think that for those who know about all the stuff in her
book, it would have everything to do with naming a monkey! As a matter
of fact, the reason for the review was that I think there is a
connection between her book and magic - otherwise I wouldn't have
mentioned it.
Msg #33988 Dated 1:59:31 02-20-92 33980 <--> 34016
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Yeah, but still, why, if I were a "miracle worker" would I wanna do
rope magic? Entertainment it could be, but is it magic? Or puzzle?
Msg #33994 Dated 6:16:03 02-20-92 33530 <--> 34017
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Hi Pete! I don't know the fellows name with the cap on the Moscow
tape, but Mike Maxwell has assured me that he has communicated with
each and every person on the tape, so he should be able to direct you
pretty easily. Mike's office # is 916-972-7735. If you don't have any
success in that direction, I know another way of contacting them, with
the ususal few days delay. (Them meaning the Russian performers in
general) So let me know if you need to initiate another way of
communicating with them!
.
Also, since seeing an earlier message fromT A, maybe the message Joe
prints could read "Any magician accompanied by a significant other who
is also a Non-magician...." Very wordy, yes, but these are such
complex times....
Msg #33996 Dated 6:28:01 02-20-92 33550 <--> 34018
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I don't mean to jump in on an on-going conversation, but since Cy did
mention my name, along with correctly remembering my affection for the
Master Mind group train of thought, I'll add a couple of comments on
the originality topic.
.
I believe many magicians tend to make two false assumptions when it
comes to this topic. First false assuption is that they believe that
they should be the sole engineer of the end result. That they alone
should be the creator of the magic, the writer of the script, the
director,the choreographer, etc.... In reality, beyond performing
ethically, he only has the professional responsibility to deliver the
best performance possible, considering the group and the situation.
But the sole architect? No - no more than an actor should be expected
to write the play, or the artist should be expected to build the brush.
.
Someone, I believe in relation to this topic, has said something about
how Michelangelo wouldn't paint just any picture, or something like
that. I happen to agree. But also, my observation after several trips
to Florence, Italy, and to Rome, was that EVERYONE from that time
period painted a Holy Family, and EVERYONE did a Madonna and child, and
EVERYONE did a Pieta. It seems to me, it isn't what you do, but how
you do it. It's not the subject, but the skill and the personal
expression.
.
As far as using other peoples material is concerned, you have to ask
yourself, what kind of career do you want, and where you are on the
learning curve. I tend to think the best first step, if not the first
essential step for learning something, is imitation. To learn how to
do something, you first imitate how others do it. Children imitate
their parents when they learn to walk, and young performers learn to
perform by imitating the movements of professionals
.
Learning a lot of things for a professional career is like digging a
deep foundation for a building. The deeper the foundation, the bigger
the building can be. In gathering this broad base of information for
your career, you'll need to learn a lot of things from imitating
others.
.
But in a professional career, too much imitation can hold you back.
The step of imitation is just for stepping, and not for stopping. An
imitation isn't an expression, and the upper levels of any performance
Art requires a personal expression.
.
On the other hand, if you don't have any particular career or artistic
ambitions, yet are still driven to perform for some reason, then I
would certainly hope that you take advantage of the industry that has
been created that offers performance material for a price. I say this
because if, at that evel of ambition you feel you also have to be
original, then you'll probably be hurting the industry everytime you
perform. Why? Because that level of motivation would rarely produce
something better than a John Kennedy could create, or a Johnny Gaughan
could build, or a Stephan Minch could script. It's probably best that
this person just buy, imitate, and deliver the best they're capable of.
.
If there is a mystery, it is as T A has pointed out - with so little to
do, just choose and imitate. Why do so many choose the same effects?
.
Finally, I mentioned that magicians tend to operate under two false
assumptions. The second false assumption, I believe, is that the
public actually CARES about any of this. Incredibly, there are still
laymen that call David "DOUG" Copperfield, and none have EVER mentioned
to me that Copperfield is doing an illusion that the Pendragons are
doing, or anyone else, for that matter. I never encounter anything
ever close to this. Maybe things are different for people who are
members of the Magic Castle, but that is still a very, very tiny sliver
of the population. In Texas, I don't think I've ever mentioned the
Castle to someone who has heard of it, and as often as not, I'll
mention Magic Island to someone who actually lives in Houston, and they
won't have heard of it, either. As soon as you start interacting with
a non-magic crowd, the familiarity for all this drops way, way down.
.
So I now realize I've rambled on at length, and since I don't have a
chance to read all the messages, I hope I haven't been too redundant
with what others have said before!
Msg #33998 Dated 7:13:51 02-20-92 33913 <--> 34019
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
Can I help it if I'm charming, witty, and adorable? San Diego has just
one area code, 619. I live two feet away from Scripps Ranch, right
across from NAS Miramar. We have to open the patio door to let the
jets fly through. When are all you guys going to visit me in San
Diego? I know our weather is a lot nicer than some areas right now!
Msg #33999 Dated 7:17:22 02-20-92 33933 <--> 34000
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
You're right it was Pete Biro, wh will probably poison my bagels for
giving undue credit. He has been named Magician of the Century by a
grateful 7 year old.
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