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Msg #34000 Dated 7:19:29 02-20-92 -> 34005
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Ah, jeez...I was trying to be funny, not truthful! I used to ride the
subway in DC and they used to call out the stations. Do you know where
Nashna Apo is? Hint: planes fly in and out of there!
Msg #34001 Dated 7:21:51 02-20-92 33825 <--> 34022
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
Holly wants you to autograph Funky Munky. Does this mean I have to
walk around DMS wih a stuffed monkey? In that case, DMS will give me
PMS and I'll be in trouble!
Msg #34004 Dated 8:01:54 02-20-92 -> 34006
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I'll put that in my ASPCT file.
Msg #34005 Dated 8:01:57 02-20-92 -> 34020
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Yah, I have to beat them off with a dancing cane.
Msg #34006 Dated 8:01:59 02-20-92 -> 34008
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Plaster of Paris.
Msg #34007 Dated 8:02:02 02-20-92 -> 34117
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Ricky Jay used to ask somone to name any four of a kind. Then
produce a fan of four Jumbo Cards... all, lets say Sevens...
Amazing how many times he hit.
.
He won't want me to reveal the punch line when he missed.
Msg #34008 Dated 8:02:09 02-20-92 -> 34014
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I agree. I quit going the for a long period of time, as it ws
too much work ... long drive ... lousy acts more often than not.
(Not lousy in the lay sense, but to another wonderful and extremely
knowldedable teapot user) ;+)
Msg #34009 Dated 8:02:15 02-20-92 -> 34037
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Leave kids at Circus Circus they will love you for it. Mike
Gaughan's GOLD COAST (plug!!) has a childcare center, movie
theater and ice cream parlor! Not to mention a great room rate
and KILLER FOOD.
Msg #34010 Dated 8:02:20 02-20-92
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHORTHAND
Am having John Gaughan work up a teapot act for me with Steinmyer.
First trick is "Indestructable Tea Pot" and "Torturn with a Tea Pot"
closing with "Tempest in a Storm" (Remember her?)
Msg #34011 Dated 8:02:25 02-20-92 -> 34077
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: LOG
So far since I removed LOG OFF it is fine... I just hit Enter
manually... nuttin to it!
Msg #34012 Dated 8:02:28 02-20-92 -> 34052
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: AUCTION
Ee;33952
Scott: Since you were behind me, didn't know if you bought any
stuff at the auction last night.
.
I am so far ahead... last time they did it I got a very valuable
item for $3 -- Three Bucks... the item (I had two at home) usually
goes for $150 USED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #34013 Dated 8:02:38 02-20-92 -> 34015
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: PSYCHIC SURGEONS
Now that's a NEW explanation! Hah... then they make soup... Chicken
Part soup, to feed the patient! He has his 'OWN' soup... ARgh....
Spit.... Ptoooieeee.... YUCK FOO....
Msg #34014 Dated 8:02:42 02-20-92 -> 34035
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Please let me know if we will ever see the sun again.
Msg #34015 Dated 8:02:45 02-20-92
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: PSYCHIC SURGEONS
Theywill just say "bendover"...
Msg #34016 Dated 8:02:48 02-20-92 -> 34038
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
To me... Entertainment is all it needs to be. My goal for many
years has been to do five minutes WITHOUT ANY MAGIC EQUIPMENT...
Just me talking and getting huge laffs. Sadly, I keep chickening
out and bring my case of crutches!
Msg #34017 Dated 8:02:53 02-20-92 -> 34031
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Too complex. That's what's wrong with society. Actually American
Society is AN INFANT... The latins have it all over us in that
the sexes KNOW THIER ROLES and are not hung up about any of it.
.
Everyone needs to lighten up. Michael Jackson has...! Hah.
.
What if you bring an "INSIGNIFICANT" other? Just someone you FIND
in the lobby? Hah...
.
Thanks for the info... later, dude
Msg #34018 Dated 8:03:04 02-20-92 33550 <--> 34033
From: PETE BIRO
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Excellent Essay, Michael!
Msg #34019 Dated 8:03:07 02-20-92 -> 34025
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
Is the weather going to be good Saturday, while I am shooting
pictures at Jack Murphy Stadium?
Msg #34020 Dated 8:03:11 02-20-92 -> 34021
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Which Century? I have lived in two of them.
Msg #34021 Dated 8:03:14 02-20-92 34000 <--> 34079
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Was Hington?
Msg #34022 Dated 8:03:17 02-20-92 34001 <--> 34112
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
Guess you'll just have to carry the Munky on your back.... Hey,
you can get a discount if Munky is a significant other!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.
Ask Burton what ROFL means (unless you know) ;+)
Msg #34023 Dated 8:11:46 02-20-92 -> 34024
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VISIT
Trust me. The day she gets here, I'll make sure I call you. I was
going to drop in today (Thursday). Is it a good day for you to have
company. But it's just me, no babe. I will try and find one to bring
along, but no promises.
Msg #34024 Dated 8:30:53 02-20-92 34023 <--> 34032
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: VISIT
Thurs fine. Call me so I don't leave with you coming by.
Msg #34025 Dated 8:33:19 02-20-92 -> 34059
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
Your private gets messages?
Msg #34028 Dated 9:15:45 02-20-92 33849 <--> 34041
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Yes, I tried to format the disks as 720's. That idn't work either. I'll
try again and let you know what it says. But if the disks I sent you
formated at 1.44m, then shouldn't they do the same at my end?
Msg #34029 Dated 9:20:37 02-20-92 -> 34042
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: SYSOP
Re: DISKETTES
David:
I tried to format one of those disks like I sent you and get a
message, "Paramaters Not Supported". Oh, Yes the driver is working. It
goes to the drive and the light lights up. It apparently reads the
disk. When I try to format 1.4 I get the impression that it is looking
for something. It takes quite a while before I get an error message.
From the Dosshell, If I tell it to go to the drive, It does. The drive
lightes up, and it takes what seems forever. Then I get a message,
"General FAirlure". However, the Dossshell has the drive highlighted as
if ready to use - Not the hard drive. So I presume that the driver is
OK. The controller is not that old. I'd be surprised iif it were bad.
But not shocked. That's when I kept leaning toward the diskettes. But
if they worked fine for you, I'm totally confused.
Msg #34031 Dated 10:25:07 02-20-92 34017 <--> 34061
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
"Insignificant other" isn't as wrong as it sounds, since a magician
could have an assistant who is not his or her "significant other." In
another 10 or 20 years things could turn around again and Joe could be
considered avante-guard!
Msg #34032 Dated 10:24:55 02-20-92 34024 <--> 34089
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: VISIT
No Problem. Looking for a few new "great" card effects. Maybe you can
start thinking about it. Had a great time at the Castle last night.
Was praticing in the basement when a crowd came in and wanted to see
something. Two hours and three shows later I walked away with a real
good, in front of a crowd practice session. It really felt good.
Maybe you knowing my personality and delivery style (if I really havre
any) maybe you can help me work toward a more stuctured act for
close-up work. I can't thank you enough for your help and
encouragement. Your friendship and sharing of magic knowledge is a
great gift. Thanks. Probally the greatest benefit of joining the
Castle is being able to meet and work and practice magic with fellas
like yourself. See ya later. I'll call first. MIKE.
Msg #34033 Dated 10:30:02 02-20-92 -> 34127
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Oh, wow! What an incredible message! Thanks, Michael!
Msg #34035 Dated 10:34:23 02-20-92 34006 <--> 34036
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I take it that we should assume that you do know that Plaster of Paris
has arsenic in it? Not the sort of thing you should be making a
teakettle out of, unless you are having the Borgias in for tea!
Msg #34036 Dated 10:36:46 02-20-92 34014 <--> 34062
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Hey! Don't complain - if it doesn't keep raining, you won't have water
for tea!
Msg #34037 Dated 10:38:10 02-20-92 34009 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yeah, but Joe wants us to stay at the Trop. And Nathan likes the
birds.
Msg #34038 Dated 10:39:54 02-20-92 34016 <--> 34048
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Well, I think you already know my view - if you are just talking and
getting laffs, and if the mojo stuff is just "crutches," then you are
doing comedy, not magic. Comedy is OK entertainment, sometimes it can
even be funny, but it means that you should be having brunch at the
Friar's Club with George Burns, not hangin' around the Magic Castle.
(BTW, the Friar's Club has a MUCH better brunch!).
Msg #34041 Dated 10:47:06 02-20-92 34028 <--> 34064
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Yep, the ones you sent me were definitiely 1.44's. And the one of them
that I tested formatted 1.44 right away. Do you have a pure double
density (720-K) diskette around that you could try to format at 720?
Using the FORMAT D: /F:720 command.
Msg #34042 Dated 10:49:39 02-20-92 34029 <--> 34060
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Sheesh! This is really getting odd-ball. Sure wish I could place
hands on the machine. It could be something like a nick in the cable
going to the drive. Obviously, the controller "knows" the drive is
there, but some info is getting garbled someplace. The long delay is
due to two possible factors - 1) DOS 5.0 takes a long time checking out
diskettes prior to formatting anyway, and 2) you may be getting
"ringing." Ringing is like when you are shouting at another guy down
a tunnel and have to keep yelling "What???" and him having to repeat
stuff.
I'm afraid that you're going to have to take this one to someone who
can diagnose it physically.
Msg #34045 Dated 14:06:35 02-20-92 33929 <--> 34046
From: WHIT HAYDN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Sounds like a fascinating book. My wife is getting her doctorate in
psychology, and she has just finished her course on sex and gender. I
am anxious to see how this might compare with the the rather dry texts
she has been reading and making me read. Will let you know what I
think!
Msg #34046 Dated 14:13:20 02-20-92 34045 <--> 34050
From: WHIT HAYDN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Hmmmm... There has been no female Ed Marlo, Dai Vernon, Bob Hummmer...
Msg #34048 Dated 14:30:59 02-20-92 -> 34058
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
If just the two of us could levitate people, maybe; but something a lot
of people can do is by definition not a miracle -- because a miracle is
something that is rare and special. The ZigZag is puzzling -- but rare
it ain't, ditto the Super-X.
Msg #34050 Dated 14:34:56 02-20-92 33929 <--> 34051
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I've looked at the book; Paglia seems to be to anthropology what Attila
was to table manners. Bright and fierce she seems to be, and has a
quality that endears her to me; she's made enemies in every part of the
social spectrum.
Msg #34051 Dated 14:37:30 02-20-92 34046 <--> 34055
From: T A WATERS
To: WHIT HAYDN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Ah, but there might well have been, had she received any encouragement
from the "brotherhood" of maicians. On the other hand, have you
considered that women just might have more sense than to get involved
in magic?
Msg #34052 Dated 14:39:42 02-20-92 34012 <--> 34069
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: AUCTION
There was too much _junk_ there for me but I did manage to buy a Rich
Morotta Lecture notes and a Don Alan Close up time pamphlet. Jay (who
I came with) got Magic Mikes' video editor. was the anything really
good there?
Msg #34055 Dated 16:53:16 02-20-92 34045 <--> 34056
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WHIT HAYDN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Doctorates in psychology can be dangerous things. I would suggest that
you make sure that she gets the paperback of Paglia's and not the
hardbound edition - that way, when she flings it across the room, or
worse, at you, it will cause less damage.
Once upon a time, at least a lifetime ago, I taught psychology classes
at a university. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately for the
students) I didn't get to teach sex and gender, but, of course, just to
keep up the standards of the field, I managed to inject sex and gender
into the courses I did teach.
Msg #34056 Dated 16:57:44 02-20-92 34046 <--> 34057
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: WHIT HAYDN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Although Paglia doesn't mention Ed Marlo, Dai Vernon, or Bub Hummer by
name, she does attempt to explain that. She has also been quoted as
saying, "Every year feminists provide more evidence for the old charge
that women can neither think nor write."
But I think that her book has a lot to say, albeit indirectly, about
the performance and place of magic.
Msg #34057 Dated 17:00:54 02-20-92 34050 <--> 34066
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
T A -
You always manage to put things so well - "Paglia seems to be to
anthropology what Attila was to table manners." Yep, she has managed
to infuriate damn near everyone!
Msg #34058 Dated 17:02:11 02-20-92 34048 <--> 34063
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Someone (Cy?) has already pointed out that the vast majority of people
do not see that much magic and they certainly don't see the "common"
effects done with nearly the frequency that we do. I'm told that there
are about 30,000 active magicians in the World, about 3,000 pros.
Compared to about 3-Billion people, that is a pretty small number.
Msg #34059 Dated 18:43:16 02-20-92 34025 <--> 34108
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
And so does my Corporal.
Msg #34060 Dated 18:43:20 02-20-92 34029 <--> 34981
From: PETE BIRO
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Do you have Norton's Disk Doctor? I recovered some incredibly
screwed up stuff (put disk with almost 1,000 Data Entries ON A
LARGE MAGNET!!!!!!!! ARHGHGHHH COUGH... PUKE... SPTOOOIEEE
Msg #34061 Dated 18:43:24 02-20-92 34031 <--> 34091
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Actually I go with the thoery if it is YOUR STORE... you can do
what you want... fooey on the results... the good merchant will,
however, flux with the times and allow that "The Customer is
ALWAYS Right, right?"
.
Been lazin' around at work. Don't know what the fuss is... I got
the whole magazine out two days ahead of deadline and barely got
up a sweat! Was sittin' around TRYING to look busy... guess I am
just as brilliant at that as the other things I do.
Msg #34062 Dated 18:43:35 02-20-92 34035 <--> 34086
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Just Lucrecia. (Hah, didn't think I was capable of a reply to
that very esoteric message of urin')
Msg #34063 Dated 18:43:39 02-20-92 34038 <--> 34068
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
George burps a lot these days, so I quit hangin' out with he and
his cronies... the cigar smoke was good tho'
Msg #34064 Dated 18:43:43 02-20-92 34041 <--> 34980
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISKETTES
I nearly tried to format something and discovered the message wasn't
for me... argH
Msg #34066 Dated 18:43:51 02-20-92 34045 <--> 34070
From: PETE BIRO
To: WHIT HAYDN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Uh, Whit... if you want to save a lot of work (FOR ME) can you
put the text on a disk? Make it an ASCII file (Unless you use
DOS machine with Wordperfect 4.2 or 5.0 or 5.1 -- tho' I can use
a MAC at the office that will convert ANYTHING... then I can go
right from the disk to typeset format in Ventura Publishing.
Msg #34068 Dated 18:44:01 02-20-92 34048 <--> 34072
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
The Zig Zag would have still been RARE and delight to own/do, if
the dumb SH*THEADS in magic had not ripped it off. Those of us
that signed the agreement and bought the Harbin book are ticked
off at the ripper offers...
.
Harbin's way (which I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE ELSE UNDERSTAND, NOTE
AND DO -- cuz they didn't read what he does IN THE BOOK) makes it
a very strong piece. If you have access to the book, read what
the "lady helper" from the audience does. Pushing the section
a bit, it stops, "Why?" Harbin asks. "Because there is someone
inside" he says... then the blades... which are narrow, and now
there is a reason, as the box is pushed over 1/3... then he puts
in the blades, and "Mrs. Woman" now pushes the section and IT GOES
ALL THE WAY... the look on the face of the helping lady is just like
the look when one reaches into the Malini Egg Bag and finds, by
their own touch... the egg.
.
REAL MAGICAL MOMENT... Nobody does it right. Harbin told me this
on two occasions. I hired him to do a show once just to study what
he was doing/saying (he was happy to help me).
Msg #34069 Dated 18:44:21 02-20-92 34052 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: AUCTION
I only snapped up some books. Funny, the Glass for the Confetti
to Candy was an antique (in the same make of glass my ex wife and
I used to collect) and was worth 10 times the price as a trick,
just for the tumbler! What a deal.
.
I think the stuff Coo Coo and others drag out is really crap... but
somebody bought it... haha
Msg #34070 Dated 18:44:30 02-20-92 34055 <--> 34071
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
What is Gender?
Msg #34071 Dated 18:44:33 02-20-92 34055 <--> 34096
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I think I remember what Sex is....
Msg #34072 Dated 18:44:36 02-20-92 34058 <--> 34073
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
There are almost as many people as there have been MacDonald's
sold? And as many magicians as there are people that liked the
Hamburgers?
Msg #34073 Dated 18:44:41 02-20-92 34058 <--> 34081
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Do you want lids with your drinks? (Famous Leno line)
Msg #34076 Dated 19:37:08 02-20-92 33654 <--> 34102
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
Pete,
Is the train ride to SLC off?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34077 Dated 19:37:15 02-20-92 -> 34188
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: LOG
re: "Howtheheckwood I know."
Gee Pete, I thought you knew everything.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34078 Dated 19:37:23 02-20-92 -> 34189
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Pete,
Since I don't eat vegetables of fruits, I'm safe from both
Mexican and Chinese food. I won't have to worry next time I'm in
Redondo Beach.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34079 Dated 19:37:32 02-20-92 -> 34082
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Pete,
I saw "Timerider" when it first came out. It was on T.V. the
other day, but didn't watch again.
My favorite post-monkees product of Nesmith was the "Elephant
Parts" video he did. He was into rock videos before there was an
MTV.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34080 Dated 19:37:41 02-20-92 33695 <--> 34103
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: TOO MANY CARD FORCES?
Great story David!
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34081 Dated 19:37:48 02-20-92 -> 34085
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Cy,
This really isn't a question of whether Bob Seegar's Silver
Bullet Band does the same song over and over with different
words. I think we're drawing too much from the analogy.
However, since the analogy is still going, I would like to point
out one more aspect. There are some who, it seems, haven't come
up with an original idea in their lives, and yet are spectacular
performers. I listened to Liam Clancy and Tommy Makem do "The
Band Played Waltzing Matilda" which was written by Eric Bogle and
loved the song. It is a sad, moving, beutiful piece of music.
Then I heard Bogle's version, and it was a tinny throw-away song
that someone might play at a piano bar.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34082 Dated 19:38:00 02-20-92 -> 34087
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Scott,
One year after Peter Tork left the monkees, he was broke and on
trial for possesion of cocaine.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34083 Dated 19:38:08 02-20-92 -> 34084
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Jerry,
There are 4 theatres in Downtown Riverside. Three of which would
be suitable for the Copperfield show.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34084 Dated 19:38:17 02-20-92 -> 34104
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
David,
The Santa Ana river runs through Riverside. Jack Karouc
mentioned sleeping in the river bottem by Mount Rubidoux in one
of his books.
Come on into town sometime. I'll buy you lunch and give you the
grand tour.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34085 Dated 19:38:25 02-20-92 -> 34093
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Agreed.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34086 Dated 19:38:33 02-20-92 -> 34092
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Pete,
Is your gambler friend's book going to be available to us mere
mortals? How and when?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34087 Dated 19:38:41 02-20-92 -> 34109
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Yes, that is true. He was studying to be a jockey when theatre
caught his fancy. He was NOT intending to become a singer,
saying "I can't carry a note in a bucket."
Peter Tork and Mike Nesmith were the musicians of the group.
Mickey Dolenz just sort of lucked into it.
We all know that the Monkees was intended as a Don Kirschner
rip-off of the Beatles. The idea was to interview and hire four
young people, and give them everything. Worked pretty well.
There, it was fun being pedantic for a while. Now I'll go back
to being my humble, loveable self.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34089 Dated 19:39:03 02-20-92 34032 <--> 34106
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: VISIT
Mike,
Was that you down in the cellar with Stan Lake looking on?
p.s. I haven't forgotten your flash string. Will call as soon as
I work out the process.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34090 Dated 19:39:10 02-20-92
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: WHIT HAYDN (X)
Re: GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE.
Whit,
Good to see your name on the board. Let me tell you again how
much I enjoyed your show the other night.
I've made up some flash dollars, and will be sending them to the
appropriate people shortly. Keep your eyes peeled.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34091 Dated 19:55:37 02-20-92 34061 <--> 34126
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I agree with you! If it is your store, you can make the rules. Wish
the L.A. City Council understood that "free market" premise.
Sounds like you did a good job on the mag. Congratulations, Biro! Do
I get an autographed copy?
Msg #34092 Dated 19:57:19 02-20-92 34062 <--> 34124
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
RE: "Just Lucrecia."
You is right - I am blown! Didn't know you would know. Although there
were a few more folks in her family who had similar styles and properly
her name is Lucrezia, but not bad, Biro, not bad at all.
Msg #34093 Dated 20:00:15 02-20-92 34063 <--> 34094
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Yep, I think that they have a special corner for him and his cigars.
Msg #34094 Dated 20:01:56 02-20-92 34072 <--> 34095
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
McDonalds is the World's second largest purveyor of food, second only
to the Chinese Army. If we could teach Ronald (McDonald) some magic,
we could probably double the number of working pros.
Msg #34095 Dated 20:03:24 02-20-92 34073 <--> 34097
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I hear that Leno is suing one of the Presidential candidates? Or
something like that? Seems the guy helped himself to one of Leno's
lines.
Msg #34096 Dated 20:05:38 02-2092 34071 <--> 34098
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Biro would say "Sex is just before seven".
Msg #34097 Dated 20:06:42 02-20-92 34095 <--> 34105
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Line was, Ted Kennedy is the only 50 (?) year old that waits for spring
break for the girls.
Msg #34098 Dated 20:07:03 02-20-92 34070 <--> 34099
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
It is the distinguishable or outward manifestations of the sex role.
It may or may not correspond to the chromosomal sex of the individual.
Msg #34099 Dated 20:08:40 02-20-92 34071 <--> 34114
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Actually, there are at least six definitions of what sex is. Only one
of 'em is the one you probably think it is.
Msg #34100 Dated 20:07:35 02-20-92 -> 34172
From: MARVIN STERN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SLC
Maybe we all should try and fly together to SLC . Sysop may be taking
his whole family, so let's forget him. There must be others from LA
who are on MAGIC and going. Burbank is better for me, if the fare is
right, than LAX. July 4th weekend is busy, so when does one need to
make reservations ( hope Pete doesn't see this, we'll have to hear
about Indian on reservations or some such thing).?
Msg #34101 Dated 20:10:56 02-20-92
From: MARVIN STERN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: GOLLY-GEE
Can't wait till Fri. Will she have her PB picture?
Msg #34102 Dated 20:10:58 02-20-92 34076 <--> 34187
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
YES - The train ride to SLC is officially off. Sorry, but the numbers
just didn't add up. So fly or drive (or take the train) to SLC. But
the plan that it generated is still in the works, only not for SLC.
Further announcements will occur as the idea gels.
Msg #34103 Dated 20:14:46 02-20-92 34080 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: TOO MANY CARD FORCES?
Thanks, Kevin. It was really hysterical when he did it.
Msg #34104 Dated 20:15:21 02-20-92 34084 <--> 34192
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Actually, I have a few friends who live in Riverside, so I may try and
get out there sometime. Thanks for the invite!
Msg #34105 Dated 20:17:08 02-20-92 34097 <--> 34118
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Thanks, Marvin. I don't keep up with these things (Presidential
campaigns) and I only end up hearing the rumors.
Msg #34106 Dated 20:25:08 02-20-92 34089 <--> 34293
From: STAN LAKE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: VISIT
The fellow I was watching in the Hat and Hare room was Allen Cornea
(sp?) I didn't realize that was Mike in the museum room next door. I
saw a shadowy figure working with a deck of cards in the dark and asked
him if he needed more light. He said "no". If I'd have recognized him
I would have stopped to say hello. Sorry we didn't have a chance to
chat but I had my hands full with a dozen foreigners to herd around.
Msg #34108 Dated 20:52:11 02-20-92 34019 <--> 34116
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
Do Sigfried and Roy have tigers? Our weather promises to be perfect.
And if you don't stop by my agency and see me, I will produce a
typhoon! 7708 Regents Rd. Suite 2, in La Jolla. I'll be there 10 to
3. Or call! 453-2506. Come for lunch. Come for dinner. Spend the
night. Spend the year. We're the most fun you can have in San Diego!
Msg #34109 Dated 20:56:03 02-20-92 34020 <--> 34110
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
So has Shirley MacLaine, or so she says.
Msg #34110 Dated 20:58:39 02-20-92 34021 <--> 34111
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
I used to live in Do Dah land. Every morning someone would come up to
me and say "Do dah bus stop here?"
Msg #34111 Dated 21:04:32 02-20-92 34020 <--> 34113
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Sheesh! My brain musta been full of cotton or something - I just
figured out how you knew Lucrezia Borgia - you used to date her!
Right?
Msg #34112 Dated 20:59:51 02-20-92 34022 <--> 34140
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
Hey, I got REALLY chewed out today when I called my local magic shop.
Seems I am being talked about over all this DMS stuff and I got
lectured this long song and dance about how I was trying to dick Joe
Stevens around, bloop de bloop, and why was I being so mean, and did I
realize that 98% of magicians were male and it's only NATURAL to assume
(assume - making an ass out of u and me) that a magician WOULD be a
male and bringing a female, drone, drone, ad infinitum. Then this
person arched their back and hissed that there was no other POSSIBLE
choice for the ad BUT Magician and accompanying female. I replied that
the term "spouse" seemed to work well in other situations. Well, now
I am a nitpicky old bag (I have yet to see 40) with an ax to grind.
Sigh...this is ridiculous. I do NOT have an ax to grind, I do NOT want
to be a cheat, and I am NOT trying to promote any cause celebre. But
I AM a woman, and I am a woman in magic. I am sure Adelaide Herrmann
offered no appologies for being one, nor does Frances Willard, Char
Pendragon, Princess Tenko, Margaret Dailey or Melinda. So why should
I? So there, too!
Msg #34113 Dated 21:11:42 02-20-92 34087 <--> 34122
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
How far into music are you, Kevin? I am a music fanatic, too and love
to create illusions to music rather than the other way around. He
probably won't admit it, but when Copperfield looked for music for his
motorcycle opener, I, yes ME gave him the Pet Shop Boys tape and
suggested the song "One More Chance". He later credited it to one of
his assistants, which I pointed out was bull, he got the tape from
yours truly and he sheepishly admitted, yes it was good ol' Stace who
thought up the music. Well that and a quarter gets me a phone call!
I am far far far into music and love to find the perfect music for an
illusion.
Msg #34114 Dated 21:17:14 02-20-92 33929 <--> 34121
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
The Marquis de Sade was a dirty old man? I thought he was the original
party animal! Of course I frequent a club where the ladies room has a
objet d'art fashioned after David with liquid soap oozing from it's
penis, so what can I say? This book sounds incredible!
Msg #34115 Dated 21:32:56 02-20-92
From: CY KELLER
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
Thanks Steve. The shop will know of anything else of course.
Msg #34116 Dated 21:33:02 02-20-92 -> 34156
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
Thanks Stacey - I'll let him know.
Msg #34117 Dated 21:33:08 02-20-92 -> 34120
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
David - This is strange about the perceptions of each coast, by
the other. We can't see this, of course, unless we talk like we
are now.
Msg #34118 Dated 21:33:15 02-20-92 -> 34119
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Oh!
Msg #34119 Dated 21:33:21 02-20-92 -> 34133
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
So Geller isn't original. Strange. I guess that genuine magic
deals with breaking the laws of nature.
Msg #34120 Dated 21:33:28 02-20-92 -> 34131
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Hey - we agree! The problem in close-up magic is to let the
audience know that there is not a battle of wits. The
presentation should be that we're all having fun together.
Msg #34121 Dated 21:33:35 02-20-92 33929 <--> 34128
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Paglia is out of the main stream and may be inventing ideas. You
can invent almost any connections you wish.
.
Serial murder? How about the woman in Florida who killed many.
Isn't this reported on the West Coast? No female Mozart? How
about Clara Schuman?
.
I can't even begin to understand the decadence idea.
Msg #34122 Dated 21:33:48 02-20-92 -> 34132
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Pete - I don't understand what "MOFO KNOWS" means.
Msg #34123 Dated 21:33:54 02-20-92
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: TV WEDNESDAY
Pete - I watch about the same TV and couldn't agree more.
Msg #34124 Dated 21:33:59 02-20-92 -> 34125
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Making a set of Bloome Pins in Andrus style is almost impossible.
The curl on the ends is a problem.
Msg #34125 Dated 21:34:06 02-20-92 -> 34158
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Yeah - great work on the sanded Bees. Binarelli has a similar
idea in his book.
Msg #34126 Dated 21:34:13 02-20-92 -> 34139
From: CY KELLER
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I don't know from Moscow, but I was stunned in Leningrad (Saint
Petersburg) by a circus act. Mink coat put on an asistant. Gun
fired. All of the minks fall off the coat and run off stage
(ring).
Msg #34127 Dated 21:34:21 02-20-92 -> 34153
From: CY KELLER
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Mike - I thought people were supposed to jump in. Maybe that is
why some of the discussions seem to be between two people.
.
Your thoughts put what I was trying to say in better words.
.
First assumption. Of course magicians should not be expected to
create etc. all of their material. None of the great performers
have done this. Even some of them have stolen the ideas, which is
unethical.
.
Right on artists doing the same subjects. That's not the usual
thing now however. But it is valid to do it.
.
Yes! all magicians I know have, early on, patterned their acts on
those they admire. Mine were Milbourne Christopher, Keith Clark,
Roy Benson, Hen Fetsch et al. That is of course the platform
tricks. I had others, like Vernon, for close-up.
.
We had a great baseball manager in Baltimore - Earl Weaver. He
said you need a deep bench. You have to have a lot of moves and
knowledge to perform.
.
The problem for new performers is to know when to cut the cord
tying them to their mentors. Most magicians choose the same
effects because they are entertaining and classic. They've stood
the test of time.
.
Second assumption. No, they don't care!!!!!
Msg #34128 Dated 21:34:54 02-20-92 34045 <--> 34129
From: CY KELLER
To: WHIT HAYDN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
How about Terri Rogers? She's very inventive. Its very hard for
a woman to break into the old boy's club tho.
Msg #34129 Dated 21:57:24 02-20-92 34114 <--> 34130
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Tell you what, Stacey, I'll trade you a tour of that Lady's Room for a
tour of the Men's Room at the Madonna Inn.
Msg #34130 Dated 21:58:6 02-20-92 34121 <--> 34135
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I don't know, Cy. Some folks say Paglia is the next mainstream. On
the other hand, dear old Susan Brownmiller has been quoted as regarding
Paglia as "a gnat who will go away at some point." Since I've never
regarded Brownmiller very highly, I'm hoping she's wrong.
As to Clara Schuman, I'm told that she may have also overlooked
Sofonisba Anguisciola too.
But our mission, should we accept it, is to determine what Paglia means
to magic.
Msg #34131 Dated 22:08:46 02-20-92 34117 <--> 34164
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
True. Actually, I've brought up the notion of regional magic a couple
of times here, but everyone tells me that I'm wrong. That now that
McDonalds has replaced the corner cafe, there ain't no regional magic.
I suspect that a careful analysis could prove that wrong - I think
different effects and different forms of effects appeal to different
regions of the country.
Msg #34132 Dated 22:51:42 02-20-92 34082 <--> 34157
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
White Out strikes again!
Msg #34133 Dated 22:55:10 02-20-92 34058 <--> 34134
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
There is, however, television; probably more people have seen David
Copperfield than have seen hundreds of other magicians.
Msg #34134 Dated 22:55:55 02-20-92 34094 <--> 34138
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
havent you seen the _traveling McDonaldland magic show?
Msg #34135 Dated 22:57:32 02-20-92 34055 <--> 34136
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
These days, I would imagine that sex and gender studies would be, uh,
improvisational.
Msg #34136 Dated 22:59:07 02-20-92 34121 <--> 34137
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
In THE PICTURE OF DORIAN GRAY, Wilde has Lord Henry Wotton say to
Dorian that "...I imagine that crime must be to the lower classes what
art is to the upper classes -- simplay a way of procuring extraordinary
sensations..."
Msg #34137 Dated 23:00:46 02-20-92 34130 <--> 34143
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Yeah, but Brownmiller is to social psychology what Hansel is to
parapsychology...
Msg #34138 Dated 23:02:33 02-20-9 34081 <--> 34141
From: T A WATERS
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Kinda like Leonard Cohen singing his "Suzanne" after you've heard Judy
Collins...
Msg #34139 Dated 23:04:18 02-20-92 34126 <--> 34145
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I think they stole that from Ghostbusters II.
Msg #34140 Dated 23:08:06 02-20-92 34112 <--> 34150
From: T A WATERS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
There's a very simple explanation for what happened to you; you were
talking to an idiot...
Msg #34141 Dated 23:11:26 02-20-92 34133 <--> 34142
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Yes, and Copperfield helps sell the notion of magic to millions of
people every year. But very few of the effects he does are replicated
by others (yes, I am aware of the origins of many of his effects,
etc.), so seeing him on television does magic a great deal of good. If
there were a "Magician's Channel" like the Comedy one, then maybe folks
would get saturated. Otherwise, nah.
Msg #34142 Dated 23:13:46 02-20-92 34134 <--> 34163
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Actually, no, I haven't seen the traveling McDonaldland magic show. Is
it any good?
Msg #34143 Dated 23:15:09 02-20-92 34135 <--> 34144
From: DAVID LICHTMN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Yes, very improvisational. My favorite is the post-surgical
transsexual feminist lesbian syndrome.
Msg #34144 Dated 23:17:14 02-20-92 34137 <--> 34146
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Sorry - I don't regard Brownmiller that highly. But unless we can
relate Brownmiller to magic - a feat totally beyond my imagination -
I'd suggest we let her lapse into unconsciousness.
Msg #34145 Dated 23:21:12 02-20-92 34139 <--> 34147
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
"Stole" - Argh! (tm - Biro), gasp, chortle.
Msg #34146 Dated 23:56:51 02-20-92 34144 <--> 34151
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I have a feeling you presumed T.A.'s comparison of Brownmiller to
Hansel was based upon his respecting the latter. Guess again.
Msg #34147 Dated 0:00:49 02-21-92 34126 <--> 34152
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
A video of that act was featured on one of the second "Best of Magic"
series in England last year. There are several other good moments in
it, all involving animals. The coat gag finish is the strongest (which
is, of course, why they save it for last).
Msg #34148 Dated 0:05:39 02-21-92 -> 34171
From: MAX MAVEN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BURNING CARDS
Sam & Dave were a superb soul music duo out of the Stax/Volt stable
which thrived in the late 1960s. There chart hits included "Hold On,
I'm Coming" and "I Thank You." They were the direct inspiration for the
Blues Brothers. Some weeks back they were inducted (Dave posthumously)
into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
Now you know.
Msg #34149 Dated 0:07:41 02-21-92
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: CRICHTON
I have not yet read "Rising Sun." I probably will, although I expect to
dislike it, based upon the essays about it which appeared in the New
York Times a couple of weeks ago. I think Crichton is a very fine
writer, but it would seem he has chosen the most skewed and paranoid
sources in developing his stance.
Msg #34150 Dated 0:12:19 02-21-92 34112 <--> 34173
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
Having been on the road, I'm entering this thread rather late in the
game, but I must say I am astonished that anyon would find it
difficult to come up with a workable phrasing which avoids making
assumptions about the genders of pairs of people who wish to attend the
Desert Seminar.
Msg #34151 Dated 0:13:50 02-21-92 34046 <--> 34154
From: MAX MAVEN
To: WHIT HAYDN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Yah, but there has also been no male Anna Eva Faye, etc. etc.
Msg #34152 Dated 0:14:22 02-21-92 34017 <--> 34155
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Suggesting that Lain culture is to be congratulated for sticking to an
antiquated system in which "the sexes know their roles" reminds me of
the attitude which was once quite prevalent in this country which
maintained that blacks ought to "know their place."
Msg #34153 Dated 0:18:08 02-21-92 -> 34162
From: MAX MAVEN
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
While I agree with much of what you have to say here, I submit that "if
you don't have any particular [...] artistic ambitions, yet are still
driven to perform" then you clearly have some serious problems which
would benefit from professional therapy.
Msg #34154 Dated 0:20:25 02-21-92 34146 <--> 34174
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Nice to have you back among us, Max. I hope your trip fulfilled its
purpose.
Actually, my view of Brownmiller is such that my comment included the
possibility that T. A. did not resprect Hansel.
Msg #34155 Dated 0:24:59 02-21-92 34152 <--> 34178
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
And suggesting that somehow our contemporary culture and its views are
the be-all and end-all of social evolution (since the Latin culture is
also alive and well, it is little more than editorial slant to refer to
its views as "antiquated") is little more than knee-jerk liberal
philosophy.
But I really feel that we should discuss social issues only within the
context of magic.
Msg #34156 Dated 1:38:27 02-21-92 34059 <--> 34204
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
Are sending msgs to your own self again ? 600 private msgs a day -
sorry, Pete I ain't buying that - the msg numbers don't change that
much each day.
Msg #34157 Dated 1:38:30 02-21-92 34005 <--> 34169
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
I use my zombie ball to keep them at bay, I don't got no dancin' cane
Msg #34158 Dated 1:43:27 02-21-92 -> 34159
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
The super glue dots give instant verification if you got the
cut as well. I prefer the dots since you can put on three dots down
the center (length ways) and therefore get a 'feel' without having
to go for the center.
.
The other advantage of the dots is that you can frrely show the face
of the gaffed card without having to worry about someone seeing the
coin mark. For impromptu use (with a borrowed deck) the coin method
is quick and dirty.
.
If I understand your former comments re the punch - the bump doesn't
last very long ? Hmmmm, that limits its use for me. Thanks for the
Msg #34159 Dated 1:43:34 02-21-92 -> 34160
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I just bought the LAST copy the Golden Bough (a New Age store) had
last month they had five. So you are doing well with the New Agers at
least - although I'm not sure I understand why.
.
I have already used it a couple of times to look-up some moves that
were referred to in other routines, but not explained. It's a very
valuable reference - good job.
Msg #34160 Dated 1:43:39 02-21-92 -> 34161
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
That's my point exactly - no mechanical device could match that.
Msg #34161 Dated 1:43:41 02-21-92 34008 <--> 34194
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I go almost every week since it's cheaper and safer than hanging out
in most other bars - I drink only soda and lime and spend about 10
bucks. Gets me out of the cave for a while and can hang with some
good people as well as see good magic (occasionally).
Msg #34162 Dated 1:43:45 02-21-92 34033 <--> 34261
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I can agree with most of what you say, BUT how about the people who
never get past the imitation phase and just pick-up lines and bits
without even realizing what it took for the originator of the bit to
create it in the first place.
.
I reference T A Waters video where he shows JUST the effects and
states explicitly THAT IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ADD THE
PRESENTATION.
.
Every time I hear someone say, 'If I could do such and such, wouldn't
that be a great trick' I just want to scream. They have no idea what
makes a trick great.
.
I have no problem with people doing the SAME EFFECT, if they present
it differently, with their own style (or lack of it) - at least they
are trying. When I see someone doing an effect EXACTLY the SAME as
someone else (who created the presentation) I consider that stealing
in the worst way. You are absolutely right that most lay people
would never know the difference (and couldn't care less who created
the presentation) - but the thief is taking credit for presenting
an effect he didn't create (I mean the presentation part, not the
effect).
.
Bizarre.
Msg #34163 Dated 1:43:56 02-21-92 -> 34185
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
If you were a 'real' miracle worker you wouldn't be concerned with
any kind of performance other than to make converts for YOUR
religion or whatever you are using your miracles for.
.
If you aren't a 'real' miracle worker, but want to give the impressio
n you are, then why wouldn't you want to come up with a version of
professor's nightmare that would make your audience believe you could
form matter to your will - as a 'true' magician would !
.
My sense of this matter is that the best magic uses ordinary objects
(a rope) and makes it do impossible things (grow, shrink, restore, et
c..) its ALL IN HOW YOU PRESENT THE EFFECT.
Msg #34164 Dated 1:44:03 02-21-92 -> 34165
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
About the only time we hear about the East is when one of the
Kennedy's has their pants off again. We hear more about Bangladesh !
Msg #34165 Dated 1:44:06 02-21-92 -> 34209
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
LA is its on own state - State of Mind.
Msg #34166 Dated 1:44:08 02-21-92 -> 34167
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACK CANDLE
Should fill the whole room, if you will it !
.
Its waning moon, by the way.
Msg #34167 Dated 1:44:12 02-21-92 -> 34186
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACK CANDLE
There are many people that read wax droppings like other people read
cards or palms. You may see some future events forming as it burns.
Msg #34169 Dated 1:44:17 02-21-92 34079 <--> 34170
From: JERRY BURTON
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Agree I have the Elephant parts video and its quite good. Also have
Dr. Duck's Super Secret All-Purpose Sauce. Bizarre stuff - need I
say more. Do you remember 'Pope Brad' or Houdini the Pig ?
.
Bizarre.
Msg #34170 Dated 1:44:20 02-21-92 34122 <--> 34190
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
MOFO KNOWS was a tag line for Penn & Teller's show. MOFO the
psychic gorilla (actually just the head on stage) did a really
bizarre mind reading act.
.
Was in their 1989 tour show.
Msg #34171 Dated 1:44:24 02-21-92 34148 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: BURNING CARDS
Thanks Max, now I know. Why not Max & Phil ?
Msg #34172 Dated 1:44:26 02-21-92 34100 <
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: SLC
I can fly out of LA or Ontario as I'm right in between. Accordin to
Stacey the best fares are from either LA or Ontario, Burbank is more
expensive. I'd like to fly out either the evening of June 30th or
early July 1st (if there's not much happening in the AM of the 1st
day).
.
I'm also looking for a roomy to share hotel costs, any takers ?
Msg #34173 Dated 1:44:31 02-21-92 34112 <--> 34180
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
Don't forget Melinda and Becky Blaney and Joycee Beck and ....
.
Who was this jerk you were talking to ?
Msg #34174 Dated 1:44:34 02-21-92 34114 <--> 34175
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I have heard the castle ladies room downstairs has something similiar
to the object d'art you mention.
Msg #34175 Dated 1:44:37 02-21-92 34121 <--> 34179
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Wait a minute - Clara Shuman comparable to Mozart, are you serious ?
Msg #34178 Dated 4:09:27 02-21-92 34155 <--> 34195
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
In the first place, my comment was in response to Pete's comment which
was, you'll recall, related in turn to the discussion of the lame
wording in the Stevens ad. Thus, it was firmly within the context of
magic.
If you truly feel that "we should discuss social issues only within the
context of magic" then why did you take the effort to continue the
dialogue with your initial paragraph?
How you managed to decide that I think that contemporary American
culture is "the be-all and end-all of social evolution" from my message
is truly a mystery to me. Latin culture is indeed alive, but it -- like
our own -- is of ancient origin, and holds on tenaciously to various
ideas which, in my view, no longer make much sense or serve much
purpose; hence, they are antiquated.
Your suggestion that I am engaging in "knee-jerk liberal philosophy" is
unworthy of comment.
Msg #34179 Dated 6:59:27 02-21-92 34129 <--> 34182
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
NOW what did I get myself into? The ladies room is at the Castle! I
thought it was extremely funny. Where is the Madonna Inn or dare I
ask?
Msg #34180 Dated 7:00:56 02-21-92 34140 <--> 34181
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: T A WATRS (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
When you're a travel agent you talk to a LOT of them! Including the
one you work for! My boss can't even BEGIN to comprehend the smallest
basics of magic, so therefore, to save face, he terms magicians as
idiots and puts me down every chance he gets for being one. But, T.A.,
ya know...whatoes around comes around. Right now, if it wasn't for
magicians and the Magicians Travel Network (MY creation) he'd be
bankrupt. So all of a sudden he thinks magicians are pretty wonderful!
I have ALWAYS thought so!
Msg #34181 Dated 706:14 02-21-92 34173 <--> 34206
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
Believe it or not...Brad Burt. Please don't let this get out too far.
I am in enough trouble as it is, but we really had it out over the
phone. The way he acted, you'd have thought I had stolen all of
Sigfried and Roy's tigers! I guess I'll have to wear an "A" on my
dress at DSM and change my name to Hester!
Msg #34182 Dated 7:09:20 02-21-92 34174 <--> 34199
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Gee, wonder where you heard that???
Msg #34185 Dated 7:57:36 02-21-92 34163 <--> 34197
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Agreed that it is all in how you present the effect. I don't think
that a 'real' miracle worker would also necessarily 'feel the call' to
convert anyone - probably would just use the mojo to grow rich and live
well (you might not even need to grow rich if you could produce
whatever you desired). Probably would be wise to be 'low profile.'
Which raises the issue of why a 'real magician' would be performing -
which complicates performance, I think, since the audience knows that
if you could really do thestuff you probablywouldn't bother to tell
them (unless you did have a purpose such as recruiting them for some
purpose).
I do agree that you would probably work with everyday objects - I
really don't like contrived effects - but why would you do rope tricks?
Why wouldn't you just talk to the audience, make a cup of coffee or a
glass of wine appear when you were thirsty, etc.?
Msg #34186 Dated 8:05:24 02-21-92 34166 <--> 34202
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACK CANDLE
Great! I was afraid I might overload one candle with too many computer
problems.
Msg #34187 Dated 8:12:11 02-21-92 34076 <--> 34306
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
The train is still going. I don't know if there are any passengers
going. Check with the Good Dr. Frog~!
Msg #34188 Dated 8:12:15 02-21-92 34077 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: LOG
I do. But I ain't tellin'
Msg #34189 Dated 8:12:18 02-21-92 34078 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MESSAGE
Read Msg. 34078.
Msg #34190 Dated 8:12:21 02-21-92 34079 <--> 34191
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Never saw Elephant Parts. Is it something MacDonalds sells?
Msg #34191 Dated 8:12:24 02-21-92 34082 <--> 34205
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Too bad. Many people just don't make it cuz they either don't want
to, get lonely, feel left out (when work stops) (or relationships)
and zingo they is done for... tsk
Msg #34192 Dated 8:12:29 02-21-92 34083 <--> 34193
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Mebbe he will TOUR all ovem.
Msg #34193 Dated 8:12:32 02-21-92 34084 <--> 34203
From: PETE BIO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
I like to pronounce Rubidoux.
Msg #34194 Dated 8:12:35 02-21-92 34086 <--> 34196
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I don'e know when, as he needs to talk to me and talk to me and
talk to me and talk to me and... you understand... it will be 4 sale
Msg #34195 Dated 8:12:38 02-21-92 34091 <--> 34217
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
NO, you get 10 copies. COD.
Msg #34196 Dated 8:12:41 02-21-92 34092 <--> 34211
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I didn't want to Borgia with a long list.
Msg #34197 Dated 8:12:45 02-21-92 34094 <--> 34198
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
One of the orig Ronald MacDonalds is a member of the Castle and a
fine magician. Can't think of his name at the moment...cheesh...
I logged on and my bleery eyes saw the message counter flash by
and it looked like 7 messages coming (since last night) and it was
107.... Yar....
Msg #34198 Dated 8:12:51 02-21-92 34095 <--> 34214
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Newsweek carried a quote from the "other" Republican... who is said
to have said... "How many 59 year olds do you know that still go
to Florida for Spring Break?" (about Ted K.) Jay held up the
magazine and his script... reading both... identical. Mite just be
for laffs, don't think he's suing.
.
Ms. Schriver got to Jay "for a minute" when she told th aud. that
he (Leno) refused to come on her talk show. Jay explained (politely)
"Hey... you wanted me on with Dan Quail....."
Msg #34199 Dated 8:13:02 02-21-92 34096 <--> 34200
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Darn, I'm always commutin befo seben.
Msg #34200 Dated 8:13:05 02-21-92 34098 <--> 34201
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Will get a dictionary and get back to you.
Msg #34201 Dated 8:13:08 02-21-92 34099 <--> 34208
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I'm thinking of what it is alla time dude...
Msg #34202 Dated 8:07:28 02-21-92 34167 <--> 34252
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: BLACK CANDLE
So far I just keep getting variations on the bloodhound looking at the
modems theme. Last nights wasn't as clearly a bloodhound, but it too
was facing the modems.
By the way, there is an interesting trend here in the Arleta
neighborhood - I don't know if it is generalized. Last week Sears
tried to sell me an "unlimited one year electrical system check." For
slightly less than double the price of one test, I could buy the right
to return whenever I wished and have my car's electrical system tested.
Well, one of the local psychic readers is doing the same deal - for $35
you can buy a year's worth of readings.
Interestingly enough, her office is located next to some sort of
psychiatric clinic. Arleta offers freedom of choice.
Msg #34203 Dated 8:13:11 02-21-92 34104 <--> 34307
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Except on Friday nites it takes 75 minutes to get there.
Msg #34204 Dated 8:13:14 02-21-92 34108 <--> 34274
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
Can't stop... am committed (wrong word?) to be with a client the
whole time... shooting pix from crack of dawn til midnite... don't
get to SD til about 11 pm Fri and Sunday have to go to a secret
location for a date...
Msg #34205 Dated 8:13:20 02-21-92 34111 <--> 34207
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Only occasionally.
Msg #34206 Dated 8:13:23 02-21-92 34112 <--> 34223
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
One of those on your list was in Playboy!
Msg #34207 Dated 8:13:26 02-21-92 34113 <--> 34210
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Kieth Droste, in Moreno Valley (Riverside) writes wonderful orig
music for magic. He did much o Norm Nielsen and John Thompson's.
He is conductor for Frankie Avalon... and plays mean Jazz on the
keyboard... and so does Mojo man Mike Close.
Msg #34208 Dated 8:13:32 02-21-92 34114 <--> 34212
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
DAVID? Copperfield?
Msg #34209 Dated 8:13:35 02-21-92 34117 <--> 34242
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Do you know the term "FLyover People?
.
they's the folks folks on the coasts flyover alla time going from
one coast to de udder coast...
Msg #34210 Dated 8:13:41 02-21-92 34122 <--> 34219
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Penn and Teller have T shirts with Mofo Knows onem. They use MOFO
as a mental segment title or sumpin/// MOFO is short for Mother
something...
Msg #34211 Dated 8:13:46 02-21-92 34124 <--> 34220
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Well, darn... darn? Mmmmm how many young women even know the word
DARN... they just tell you go buy new socks.
Msg #34212 Dated 8:13:50 02-21-92 34129 <--> 34213
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I didn't know Madonna had one... I know she has two.
Msg #34213 Dated 8:13:53 02-21-92 34130 <--> 34216
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
No wonder you don't invent magic you are too busy reading books
with hard words in them.
Msg #34214 Dated 8:13:57 02-21-92 34141 <--> 34215
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I can't stand watching stand up comics anymore. They're worse than
bad magicians... then a few do stand out... Howie Mandel lays on
the floor saying "I don't do stand up anymore"
Msg #34215 Dated 8:14:02 02-21-92 34142 <--> 34222
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
The drive thru is
Msg #34216 Dated 8:14:05 02-21-92 34143 <--> 34224
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I appreciate the offer, but don't think I can stay in your guest
room after reading msg. 34143. ARhg... shivver quivver... shoosh...
Msg #34217 Dated 8:14:10 02-21-92 34152 <--> 34218
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Those (and there are many) of the latin culture that I know are
really happy that they KNOW THEIR ROLES... and does not relate to
the "Know their place" (IMHO)... The women in mexico that I know
are GLAD the guys wanna work and the gals are happy to be doing
what they want... (this is a tuff line to describe in a hurry
and half asleep... and I probably will dig a deeper hole for
myself by not articulating as correctly as I want to....)
.
But... think about the Joe Stevens line again... AMY does the
ads, etc. and she IS much a feminist... and she surely gave it
much thought (I know she did) and the line they used is what they
fell is what they mean... (biro still digging grave) argh...
Anyway, glad you is back. Hope all was good FOR YOU in Shakey Town.
Msg #34218 Dated 8:14:24 02-21-92 34155 <--> 34297
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Thinking a bit more... My feelings (and others I have discussed
this with --- my marriage counsellor) the latins have figured out
the roles, and the USA is still in its infancy and nobody really
knows the AMERICAN male/female roles quite yet...) Do I make myself
less clear?
Msg #34219 Dated 8:14:31 02-21-92 34157 <--> 34237
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Hard part of my dancing cane routine is finding a pair of tap
shoes for the canes.
Msg #34220 Dated 8:14:35 02-21-92 34158 <--> 34221
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Actually it AIN'T SUPER GLUE... it is epoxy resin you wanta use.
Msg #34221 Dated 8:14:38 02-21-92 34161 <--> 34240
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Just bought two books of card magic by Harry Lorayne... "best of
friends" vol. 1 and 2. Each about 500-600 pages!!! That's about
1,000 pages! (almost $100 used)!!! Someone was asking for some
card magic... go for the Lorayne books. Something for everyone.
.
Altho so has Greater Magic (wshich is mostly card tricks)
Msg #34222 Dated 8:14:45 02-21-92 34163 <--> 34251
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Wait til the 93 Desert seminar where we seek the REAL MAGICIANS.
NO PROPS ALLOWED!!!!!!!!
Msg #34223 Dated 8:14:49 02-21-92 34173 <--> 34309
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
THE GOOD GYPSY... JADE... JOE CONDON'S DAUGHTER... LISA MENNA....
SARA KABAGUJINA... DEL O'DELL... BRENDA and Bob Brown...
MYSTINA... FRANCES MARSHALL... the gal from Chicago that did the
act in vodvil... FEA ELISA... ANIKO... there are many more excellent
femme performers...
Msg #34224 Dated 8:14:56 02-21-92 34182 <--> 34226
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I AM GOING TO BE LATE TO WORK... ARGH... TOO MUCH FUN READING
MAGIC FOR BREAKFAST... BYE BYE... DON'T TAKE IT ALL TOO SERIOUSLY.
Msg #34225 Dated 8:15:03 02-21-92
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: JOE
Actually... the Stevens line... he could write what he wants. He could
give the discount to Magician and his Parrot. Magician and hisG
his dog. Magician and his coach. Again... HIS SHOW HIS DECISION.
He might say NO MORE DISCOUNTS TOO MUCH TROUBLE...
.
Signed, P. Biro (diggin a deeper grave).
.
Lets close the thread and start some magic!
Msg #34226 Dated 8:15:48 02-21-92 34179 <--> 34227
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Gee! No-one ever told me about the object at the Castle! I'm gonna
have some questions for someone tonite! (Just consider her one more
person you have gotten in trouble this week).
The Madonna Inn is located up the coast, I forget the proper name of
the town, but it is somewhere just south of San Louis Obisbo. They
were pretty much the originators of the "theme room" concept in hotels.
The main Men's Room features a urinal that looks like a waterfall and
that automatically activates when one steps up to it.
Msg #34227 Dated 8:20:40 02-21-92 34201 <--> 34228
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
RE: "I'm thinking of what it is alla time dude..."
Granted that one should have a solid theoretical background, but it is
performance that counts.
Msg #34228 Dated 8:24:35 02-21-92 34213 <--> 34229
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
You gotta balance the books with the doing - otherwise it is all input
and no output. I try to restrict my reading (other than business
related) to late evenings and trips to the potty.
Msg #34229 Dated 8:27:02 02-21-92 34216 <--> 34244
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Actually, now that you mention it, I don't think we've ever had a PTFLS
stay in the guest room. We've had an assortment of folks stay there,
some of whom may possess one or more components of PTFLS, but I don't
think we've had anyone possessing all of the components visit
overnight. Besides, we always make sure to change the sheets between
every six guests.
Msg #34230 Dated 8:43:44 02-21-92 -> 34254
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Didn't you know that overhead projectors are actually made from
recycled teakettles?
Msg #34231 Dated 8:43:53 02-21-92 -> 34321
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
El Petro does quite enough to "shock the IBM" without any additional
encouragement from the sidelines. Unless the act will walk to the
convention and sleep on the sidewalk and work for free then we can
wait awhile to book 'em.
Couldn't you hold the cards OVERHEAD and PROJECT just as well?
Msg #34233 Dated 8:44:35 02-21-92 -> 34256
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: VEGAS
It was Howard Cosell who uttered the infamous "monkey" line about a
black athelete. But it wasn't Joe Morgan. It was during an ABC
Monday Night football game in which the Washington Redskins were
playing someone, and the black player was a redskin whose name I
can't remember. The line was said in admiration of the player's
running ability and was something to the effect of "look at that
little monkey go!" Cosell apologized soon after and in view of his
proven lack of prejudice, little was really made of the incident. I
was watching the game when he said it.
Msg #34234 Dated 8:44:59 02-21-92 -> 34236
From: BILL WELLS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
It is difficult to tell wheter 5% off supersaver is better than $100
off published fare without knowing the actual figures to make the
comparison. Howsomever, the more power to ya if you have a better
fare. Do you have an 800 number?
What don't you give us (the IBM) a proposal for airpackages, etc for
the 1993 IBM convention in Quebec? We currently have one such
proposal from an agent but haven't committed yet as we wanted to get
a couple more bids. We would be happy to consider your potential
as the official IBM travel agent for the 1993 convention.
Msg #34236 Dated 8:45:51 02-21-92 -> 34279
From: BILL WELLS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
I certainly know there is a Virginia. Been one all my life! Being
a Virginian is a considerable fact, since most of this country was
once all Virginia anyhow...and even moreso now that I have learned
how close I live to the magic mainstream which flows by me about a
mile away. If you lived near Route 1 for 19 years, then I am sure
you know the whereabouts of Waynewood which is near old Fort Hunt
High School (BTW - Tabby's wife is a graduate thereof)...anyhow I
live in Waynewood. You have probably even had Tex Mex at the Bar J.
You might even remember when Al was on Pennsylvania Avenue. What I
can't figure is why I don't already know you...or do I? Did you have
another name or dye your hair? (how could I forget a redhead, green
eyes, and rhinestone dresses???) While I don't often attend local
magic functions anymore, I certainly was active locally within the
last 19 years.
Anyhow...keep the Virginia flag flying out there on the left side.
Since Tabby left Maryland, Cy and me have our hands full representing
the Eastern half of things.
BTW...if I know you and don't remember...I apologize!
Msg #34237 Dated 8:46:35 02-21-92 -> 34238
From: BILL WELLS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
MOFOs get shot if they go out on the streets in DeeCee nowadays!
Msg #34238 Dated 8:46:41 02-21-92 -> 34248
From: BILL WELLS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
re Davy Jones - Artful Dodger. You don't mean Davy Marlin Jones do
you?
Msg #34239 Dated 8:46:49 02-21-92
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: TABLES
Thanks...I would appreciate flyers, brochures, photos, sketches, or
concrete thoughts...just as long as it don't put you to no trouble.
Msg #34240 Dated 8:46:56 02-21-92 -> 34257
From: BILL WELLS
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
The lichen is in heat! Gazooks, it might not be safe goin' out on
the back 40 just now. DeeCee is about the same. Everyone dislikes
the new mayor who will probably never be able to get rid of all the
old mayor's cronies and mess. The ex mayor literally got himself
blown away to a new prison where nothing has been hear of him since
he got there. Seems like he found out he doesn't have as much clot
as he thot he did anymore.
I guess the magic scene locally is about the same. I tend to end up
seeing the better locals at the national functions more than I do
here anyhow. David and Darwin are bringing in Rene Lavand for a
lecture after DMS, but I will see him at Vegas so probably won't go
here. Hope the eagle flies in time for you to make Vegas next month.
BTW - you should about be getting an audio tape from me that I had
mentioned to you in SLC. Let me know if you have any questions.
A packet of posters should shortly be on the way to you in graditude
for my being one of the folks who got one of those you had signed by
all those folks. Do you want ay from any other IBM conventions?
Msg #34242 Dated 8:48:06 02-21-92 -> 34503
From: BILL WELLS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
...I thought the mainstream ran from just southeast of Georgetown,
down the Potomac into the Chesapeake Bay. I have never been exactly
sure what happen to it once it hit the Atlanta, but I always figured
it got garbled for sure going through the Panama Canal thereby
explaining some of the strange readings from the West Coast. I did
hear that New York once tried sending some garbage the wrong way on
the mainstream, but it is clear to me they are currently on the
receiving end as opposed to being the origin.
But then...you guys in Ballimere always did have a funny way of
looking at things.....
Msg #34244 Dated 8:49:23 02-21-92 33929 <--> 34253
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
While I very much enjoyed your review, and also enjoy nonmagic items
and discussion on the board, I cannot resist the overwhelming
temptation to inquire...
WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH MAGIC ???????
.
(Grin!)
Gotcha!!
Msg #34246 Dated 8:50:30 02-21-92 33838 <-
From: BILL WELLS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: 92 DMS CONTESTANTS
Why doncha you repeat that "driving over on the 18th" message to
ALL instead of jest me. I would except there is at least one in the
LA area that might want to take you up on that.
The close up and lecture line up is great too!
Msg #34248 Dated 8:50:54 02-21-92 34000 <--> 34258
From: BILL WELLS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Nashna Apo is two stops befo Pennygone Seedie.
Msg #34251 Dated 11:52:53 02-21-92 34185 <--> 34260
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Take off your shoelaces and do magic. I have a great routine in
that vein. Take off lace, tie to person's buttonhole, set fire
to it... ringy dingy... <---- that was bell going off to signify
it was an idea happening (will report on it later)
Msg #34252 Dated 11:52:59 02-21-92 34186 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: BLACK CANDLE
Celeste Evans was the femme name I forgot earlier. Galina too.
Msg #34253 Dated 11:53:03 02-21-92 34228 <--> 34265
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Does that mean you are a potty doll? That is bad for me, part of
my anatomy goes to sleep!
Msg #34254 Dated 11:53:07 02-21-92 34230 <--> 34319
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Amy just faxed me saying MAGIC! IS ON FRIDAY AT 9 AYEM 9 AYEM...
Msg #34256 Dated 11:53:15 02-21-92 34233 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: VEGAS
OK dude... I just thot it be baseball... mebby you are right.
Your Coach's car didn't win the Daytona 500 be he and Rypien got
a ton of PR... Oh, I forget at Joes, but called him... to invite
Johnny Carson (via lance) to be guest at Comedy Challenge and offer
winner a shot on the tonite show... I gave him the assoc. producer's
private nr.
Msg #34257 Dated 11:53:23 02-21-92 34240 <--> 34327
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I am taking the audio tape South for weekend and mail to you mondy.
Jade sending you Danalin tape and you can pass onto Nagelstien.
Msg #34258 Dated 11:53:27 02-21-92 34248 <--> 34275
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
NO SH*T?
Msg #34260 Dated 12:43:28 02-21-92 34142 <--> 34301
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Well, if you were a hyper little kid who thinks Ronald McDonald is a
demi-god, then you are about to witness the greatest show in the world!
this show would make any kid _really_ belive in magic! but you would
have to eat a bunch of their hamburgers to get the full effect!
>burp< -----(rotfl)
Msg #34261 Dated 12:54:50 02-21-92 34162 <--> 34262
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Hey now, Jerry!
What if the person you decide to borrow from is Decesed? >Annamen
(spelled wrong), et al.......
When I was working at the castle, Vernon came to see my act. Now I dont
claim _ANY_ origionallity to my work. but he compared me to sevral
dead magi who were very hip at the time of their living! (did you hear
that David Hoy?)
Msg #34262 Dated 13:00:50 02-21-92 34261 <--> 34268
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
or Loring Campbell (spelling)
Msg #34265 Dated 13:35:00 02-21-92 34051 <--> 34266
From: WHIT HAYDN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: Y
Tom, the point of the book I think was that male genius such as Mozart
was a sickness-- a perversion of male masculinity not unlike Jack the
Ripper was a perversion of male sexuality... I hardly think that I am
implying any deficiency on the part of women... What I was suggesting
was that the super saturated interest in magic that leads to genius may
be a peculiar and perhaps unhappy male trait...
Msg #34266 Dated 13:57:17 02-21-92 34051 <--> 34276
From: WHIT HAYDN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Remember the quote was, "Serial or sex murder, like fetishism, is a
perversion of male intelligence. It is a criminal abstraction,
masculine in its deranged egotism and orderliness. It is the asocial
equivalent of philosophy, mathematics and music. There is no female
Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper..."
d
I was only suggesting that some sorts of magical genius might share in
this peculiar "perversion of male intelligence"-- that is, "masculine"
in its deranged egotism and orderliness... I certainly don't wish to
imply that women are not every bit as capable of creating such work...
but perhaps it is after all not a compliment to our sex that we do...
I believe that there are many fine women performers, and I agree that
the "fraternity" should do more to encourage women to enter into
magic... I just don't want my daughter mixed up in it...:)
Msg #34268 Dated 18:15:28 02-21-92 34162 <--> 34269
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Hi Jerry! I agree with the points you made, and I also agree that the
approach that T A used in his video has a great deal of validity. I
believe we are going to see an increase in awareness of, and interest
in, the presentational side of magic during the nineties.
Msg #34269 Dated 18:17:21 02-21-92 34153 <--> 34270
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I don't agree. Do you really believe that just because ther are people
ut there who love magic, and enjoy performing from time to time - yet
don't have any ambitions in magic, are in need of professional therapy?
They simply have another life. However, I can think of a few full time
professionals who operate under the cover of artistic expression, that
could benefit from some professional help!
Msg #34270 Dated 18:19:18 02-21-92 34127 <--> 34285
From: MICHAEL AMMAR
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Thank you, Cy! Yes, I agree with you on all counts. In particular, I
liked the deep bench analogy. I've heard it sad that a good public
speaker is one who always knows 10 times more than he talks about!
Msg #34274 Dated 20:21:55 02-21-92 34204 <--> 34349
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
Nutz!
Msg #34275 Dated 20:22:40 02-21-92 34207 <--> 34282
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
I play synthesizers, keyboards and drums
Msg #34276 Dated 20:24:00 02-21-92 34208 <--> 34277
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Is THAT who that is in the ladies room at the Castle?
Msg #34277 Dated 20:24:32 02-21-92 34224 <--> 34278
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Work? You mean you guys WORK? Will wonders never cease! I thought I
was the only one who had to shlepp off to work for some yukapuk!
Msg #34278 Dated 20:26:38 02-21-92 34226 <--> 34286
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Reminds me of the airport in Phoenix. They have these commodes that
flush automatically when you stand up. Well, this one time I was
sitting there, thinking things over and accidentally dropped the roll
of toilet paper. When I leaned over to retrieve it, the damn john sent
a jet of water straight up my backside. Talk about a rush! Getting
off the subject (pun intended) you HAVE to teach me how to upload and
download messages. My phone bill looks like the cost of the Gulf War!
Msg #34279 Dated 20:30:56 02-21-92 34234 <--> 34281
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
You made an excellent point. The fares are subject to change until
ticketing, as every agent knows. But I CAN tell you that the 40% off
of the regular coach NEVER proves to be a bargain, no matter what.
Okay, rough guesstimate. An average airfare to LAX from JFK is about
400. You take 5% of that and you save twenty bucks. I give you $110
off that same fare and you pay $290. Yes we DO have an 800 number.
It's 1-800-748-5520 and I am there from 9-5:30 Pacific time every day.
What are you looking for in the way of a proposal? I can no more
guarantee airfare than I can vanish the White House, but give me an
idea of what it is you're looking for and I can come up with a pretty
good proposal. After all, I am the very BEST travel agent in the whole
world (I have to say this - my ego needs it!) because I have the best
heart and the greatest empathy for my fellow magicians.
Msg #34281 Dated 20:41:59 02-21-92 34236 <--> 34817
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
I was with S.A.M. Assembly 23 from 87 to 89. Ask Ken Norris - he knows
me. Nope. Still red, but my eyes? No one knows their real color.
Amazing what contacts can do!
Msg #34282 Dated 20:44:08 02-21-92 34237 <--> 34283
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: BILL WELLS (X)Re: MONKEYSHINES
Aha! So it DOES mean what I think it does! Did you know they also
have "Map Yews?" When you go to McDonalds, they say "Wekkum to
Madonna's, Map Yew?" Hee hee hee hee hee!
Msg #34283 Dated 20:46:07 02-21-92 34238 <--> 34284
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Of course not! Davy Jones of the Monkees played the Artful Dodger on
Broadway in Oliver!
Msg #34284 Dated 20:48:18 02-21-92 34248 <--> 34310
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Is that near Christa Seedie?
Msg #34285 Dated 21:01:25 02-21-92 34269 <--> 34300
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Hear Hear!
Msg #34286 Dated 21:16:46 02-21-92 34276 <--> 34287
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
It is more likely that the statue in the Lady's Room at the Castle is
that of the young Prince of Belgium who was urinating over a log. Does
the Castle statue have a log beneath it?
Msg #34287 Dated 21:18:32 02-21-92 34278 <--> 34295
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Didn't know about the self-flushing commodes in Phoenix, but I have
seen the self-flushing urinals in the Denver airport. (My, isn't this
another one of the topics that is not well connected to magic).
As to the upload and download, you have to tell me which communications
software you are using. Also, you might ask Tabby for a copy of his
"Modem Commando" article.
Msg #34290 Dated 21:24:49 02-21-92 -> 34325
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Speaking of funny bathrooms . . .
There is a great restaurant in Atlanta (I forget its
name) that used to be in the Underground and is now on
Peach Street. Actually, I think a branch of it is back
in the Underground now that the Underground is nice.
Anyway, they feature fondue, and there is a huge pirate
ship inside, with live alligators swimming around in
the water below, etc. My sister excused herself to go
to the bathroom, then returned quickly to fetch my
wife. "You've got to see this," she said. So they
returned to the restroom, where there was a line to get
into the first available stall. The room apparently
had a magical effect, similar to one that used to be in
the Magic Castle men's room (a devil appeared in a
mirror over the urinal); in this one, you stood on a
mat and a witch appeared in a mirror. My sister is
standing on the mat again, but the witch doesn't
appear. So she starts jumping up and down, stomping on
the mat. Finally, the lady in line in front of her
turns around slowly and says, "Honey, if you have to go
THAT badly, you can go ahead of me!"
Sorry to hear you had a fight with Brad, of all people.
We've been friends for years. On this DMS thing, I
still think Joe is quite innocent and meant nothing
disrespectful. And as everyone has said, Amy wrote the
ad. BUT -- when the issue is raised in general, I
think you run the danger of tapping into some very
deepseated hatred of women. We all saw it with the
Anita Hill thing, we saw it in the William Kennedy
Smith thing, and we saw it here in Indiana recently
with the Mike Tyson thing. I'm not referring to Joe at
all here, but to the possible reactions of others to
the situation. (I'm also not making any judgments
about who was guilty or innocent in these national
cases -- please don't anybody write me about them.)
It's quite amazing to me o come across peope who
really hate women, just something I've never felt and
therefore can't comprehend. Even creepier when it's
WOMEN who hate women. Anyway, I hope it ain't true of
any MAGIC! members and I feel certain it isn't true of
Joe Stevens, so I do hope this can drop away and we can
all have a GREAT time in Vegas.
-- Steve Bryant
P.S. Send me your fax number, and I'll try to send you
a layout of the Tropicana.
Msg #34291 Dated 21:25:54 02-21-92 -> 34343
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CRICHTON
Max,
RISING SUN was interesting, though certainly not as
much fun as last year's JURASSIC PARK. While there is
SOME balance in the story, the two primary negative
charges that Crichton makes against the Japanese are in
the areas of unfair business tactics and the area of
racism (i.e., that the Japanese are quite racist). It
would be interesting to get your reaction to some of
the specifics of these cases that occur in the story,
should you read it. (Although, admittedly, this has
nothing to do with magic.)
One of the NICE things Crichton mentions is in the area
of professional screwups. In the U.S. (and especially
where I work, for the defense department), if anyone
screws up, someone above wants heads to roll.
According to Crichton, the Japanese don't concentrate
on WHO did something wrong, they merely concentrate on
WHAT went wrong and then proceed to fix it. How I wish
it could be so over here. (A case in point is this DMS
brouhaha. Why all the venom? It's simply a case of
clarifying some wording.)
Another nice thng Crichton mentions is that there is
virtually no crime, that it is dishonorable, for
example, to steal. Geno Munari mentioned this after
his recent trip to Japan. Said that shopkeepers could
actually leave their merchandise on the street at
night. (Or did you say that? Anyway, I heard this in
Nashville.)
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #34292 Dated 21:26:39 02-21-92 -> 34357
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: THANKS
Pete,
THANKS for the check. A tad high though -- I'll have
to buy you a drink at the DMS. But that's all -- you
can't be my date.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #34293 Dated 21:51:45 02-21-92 34089 <--> 34308
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: VISIT
Not sure when you were in the cellar. But I think I saw you. Have
been doing a few nights there. Say HI next time. Call when you have
the string. Thanks for the help with it. MIKE.
Msg #34294 Dated 21:53:17 02-21-92
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC AWARDS TIX
Have a man looking for two, count 'em, two tickets in a good spot for
the Awards Banquet. His name is David Cary and he can be reached by
phone at (818) 993-0478. Give him a shout if you need to dump tix.
Thanks much. MIKE.
Msg #34295 Dated 22:38:23 02-21-92 34244 <--> 34296
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Paglia probably has a great deal to do with magic as the book deals
with the human myth structure and with the role that art plays in
culture. I mentioned the book because I thought that it included
material that would be relevant to magicians. Details of the
implications of her work will have to be worked out by the individual
mage.
Msg #34296 Dated 22:41:16 02-21-92 34253 <--> 34326
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Actually I now suffer from the syndrome that you once described -
Nathan comes barging in the potty door to show me his latest card
tricks. Yeah, my left leg goes to sleep a lot.
Msg #34297 Dated 22:43:58 02-21-92 34178 <--> 34298
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
My message was likely motivated by the same forces that motivated your
own. I do not agree that the views which Pete atribued to Latin
culture "no longer make much sense or serve much purpose; hence, they
are antiquated."
Msg #34298 Dated 22:46:49 02-21-92 34195 <--> 34299
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Oh, goody, 10 copies of a car magazine, COD. Since when does the
editor acknowledge that magazines are for wrapping Cod?
Msg #34299 Dated 22:49:03 02-21-92 34218 <--> 34330
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yep, despite the fact that I am inclined to agree with you (regarding
Latin concepts), you are managing to make yourself less and less clear.
Best though if we move on to other topics.
Msg #34300 Dated 22:51:28 02-21-92 34268 <--> 34336
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Since our conversation at the Castle, I have been re-viewing (as
opposed to "reviewing") T. A.'s video. It is very, very good and
always refreshing to watch again.
Msg #34301 Dated 22:56:43 02-21-92 34197 <--> 34302
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I remember McDonalds when the number of burgers served was in the
millions and they actually used to update the sign. Guess they've done
away with the concept altogether.
I know that some of the Ronald's are magi, but aren't there also a
number of them that aren't?
Msg #34302 Dated 22:58:16 02-21-92 34198 <--> 34303
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Gee, I remember when "Leno" was a type of fabric. I think it was
elastic of some sort.
Msg #34303 Dated 22:59:48 02-21-92 34214 <--> 34304
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
RE: "I can't stand watching stand up comics anymore."
I'm glad to hear that your tastes are improving!
Msg #34304 Dated 23:01:29 02-21-92 34251 <--> 34305
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
If I took off my shoelaces, my pants would fall down.
Msg #34305 Dated 23:1:54 02-21-92 34260 <--> 34311
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Seriously, where do you find the Ronald McDonald traveling show? Does
it drive around to the various McDonalds? Or what?
Msg #34306 Dated 23:03:42 02-21-92 34102 <--> 34317
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
Well heck. I'm not going to make it to DMS and now the train
ride is off. Cuss, spit, yell scream.
Maybe I'll drive up to Las Vegas and have dinner with you.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34307 Dated 23:03:51 02-21-92 3404 <--> 34314
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
David,
I know where all the IHOPs are in Riverside.
Plus, the major attraction. We have the only Denny's (that I
know of) that isn't 24 hours.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34308 Dated 23:03:59 02-21-92 34106 <--> 34324
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STAN LAKE (X)
Re: VISIT
Stan,
I'm sorry we couldn't chat more also, but understand entirely.
Playing host to more than a couple of people is a STRAIN.
Hope it went well.
Good to see you again.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34309 Dated 23:04:07 02-21-92 34112 <--> 34332
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
Stacey,
How is it you are being talked about? Have you a soap box
outside of MAGIC! or did the proprieters hook up the handy dandy
computer?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34310 Dated 23:04:15 02-21-92 34113 <--> 34312
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
I have performed professionally (off and on) for the last 15
years. I've done everything from lead guitar in a rock and roll
band, to classical recitals, to what I do best which is play and
sing ballads. I've scored shows. Written well over 200 songs,
and enjoyed a fair bit of acceptance in the folk world.
I do a fair amount of local theatre, and am constantly being
asked to play a variety of instruments for their orchestra.
I enjoy listening to anything (with the exception of more than 5
minutes of opera, and head-banging [or whatever it is called
these days] music.)
And you? What do you like? Not like?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34311 Dated 23:04:26 02-21-92 34138 <--> 34329
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
T. A.,
YES! Much like that!
I saw a concert of Peggy Seeger and Ewan McColl some time
ago. McColl wrote the hit song "The First Time."
"The first time
Ever, I saw your face..." Beautiful song. I was really looking
forward to the concert. Peggy Seeger comes from one of the
premier music families in the world.
This is the only concert in which I left during intermission.
They were HORRIBLE! They sang "The First Time" at about twice
the popular version's tempo. Like they wanted to get an
obligatory part of the show over with.
Performance, like any other art, is the evoking of emotion.
Ideally that emotion is not hopeless boredom.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34312 Dated 23:04:38 02-21-92 34169 <--> 34313
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Jerry,
I figured someone out in "modem-land" had a copy of "Elephant
Parts." Somehow I should have guessed it would be you.
Interesting observation: The cards you gave me are not in fact
single-ply. they have three distinct layers. Now that I'm among
the employed again, I haven't had time to experiment with getting
the juice on them correctly. This weekend I'll make a point to
do so, and to try out cigarette papers.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34313 Dated 23:04:47 02-21-92 34190 <--> 34323
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
re: elephant parts at Mickey D's.
What, are trying to open me up to a lawsuit?
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34314 Dated 23:04:56 02-21-92 34193 <--> 34315
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Pete,
Sometime, when you're feeling bored, let me tell you "The
Rubidoux Story."
Wierd origins for this part of the world.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34315 Dated 23:05:04 02-21-92 34192 <--> 34318
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Pete,
If he tours all of 'em, he has a place to stay. The famed Curtin
guest room.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34317 Dated 23:05:19 02-21-92 34306 <--> 34384
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
We still have some ideas for a MAGIC! TRAIN, but not to DMS or SLC this
year. Wouldn't it be easier to meet at the Castle sometime than to
drive to Las Vegas for dinner?
Msg #34318 Dated 23:07:05 02-21-92 34307 <--> 34385
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Great about the IHOPs. There is a really nice one in Barstow; the
local L.A. ones are pretty crummy. As to Denny's - surprise - MOST of
them now close and aren't open 24-hours.
Msg #34319 Dated 23:09:29 02-21-92 34230 <--> 34320
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
I had no idea that overhead projectors were made from recycled
teakettles! Does Biro recycle his teakettles?
Msg #34320 Dated 23:09:58 02-21-92 34254 <--> 34362
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
9 a.m. on Friday? Is that better or worse?
Msg #34321 Dated 23:10:42 02-21-92 34231 <--> 34823
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
The original of the card effect was designed to be done without an
overhead projector. But once I realized the heightened impact that the
projector added, well, I just woudn't do the effect any other way.
Msg #34323 Dated 23:17:58 02-21-92 34275 <--> 34350
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Stacey,
Maybe we should get together and do some jamming. It sounds like
you make up for my deficiencies.
I have a digital sampler and a Roland D-110 for keyboards, but
either play them through the computer or through a MIDI guitar.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34324 Dated 23:18:06 02-21-92 34293 <--> 34370
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: VISIT
Mike,
Sorry it's taken so long with all the flash stuff. I should know
my success ratio by Sunday.
Yeah, I'm sorry I missed you. I was with 3 people. My wife, a
friend, and his brother. The brother has hair longer than my
wife's.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34325 Dated 23:17:16 02-21-92 34290 <--> 34355
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Steve -
You have _GOT_ to try to remember the name of that resturant in
Atlanta! I was there a couple of weekends ago and was looking for
someplace "different." Alligators and fondue definitely qualifies.
And, if it was cheese fondue, I'd love to add the place to my list.
Msg #34326 Dated 0:32:27 02-22-92 34144 <--> 34328
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGIA
No, no -- you don't know what I think of Hansel; he's the guy who wrote
ESP: a Scientific Evaluation, an antiparanormal book the thesis of
which that if you discounted all the esp evidence as mal-observation or
fraud, there was no evidence. True -- as for just about anything; it
is a rather silly book. In the same way, I think Brownmiller goes way
off the deep end in much of her work that I have read.
Msg #34327 Dated 0:35:15 02-22-92 34159 <--> 34334
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Always like to hear that; thank you.
Msg #34328 Dated 0:36:55 02-22-92 34266 <--> 34335
From: T A WATERS
To: WHIT HAYDN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Of course the notion that there are no "female Jack The Ripper"
criminals is absurd to anyone who knows the history of crime -- or
history, for that matter. There have been several serial killers who
were female -- not so many in this particular slice of Western culture,
but quite enough to blow that thesis to pieces.
And of course your daughter is unlikely to get mixed up in magic --
kind of like I don't drink because my father was an alcoholic, y'know?
Msg #34329 Dated 0:40:52 02-22-92 34185 <--> 34333
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
But, of course, real people don't have deeply moving personal
expriences in front of audiences; that's why we call them plays. The
idea of any theater is to take people out of the world of everyday, and
once they accept theatrical convention -- i.e., they are sitting there
watching something and reacting as though it were really happening --
then within that artificial context the competent magical artists
should be able to convince them of the reality of what seems to be
happening.
Msg #34330 Dated 0:49:15 02-22-92 34155 <--> 34339
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
David -- I certainly hope that contemporary culture is not the final
resting place for civilization; however, progress over the centuries in
human rights in abolishing slavery, ending (at least legally)
discrimination, etc., are part of a pattern of progress toward an ideal
where every person, regardless of skin color or the design or use of
their genitalia, will be afforded the same rights. Latin cultures --
where in some cases a man still has the right to shoot his wife for
adultery (it was only recently outlawed in Brazil) -- are not in the
forefront of human rights movements, for women and many other groups.
This is hardly "knee-jerk liberalism"; it just seems to me to mean
having a sense of humanity.
Msg #34332 Dated 0:54:25 02-22-92 34181 <--> 34376
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
Hmmmm, that's really weird, Burt is normally quite gentlemanly - I
can't imagine him haraguing a customer over the phone like that.
Maybe his wife had started him off wrong and he had on his Anti-fem
hat on for the day.
.
Regarding the scalet letter, why not go all the way and go as eve,
with a fig leaf ?
Msg #34333 Dated 0:54:30 02-2-92 34185 <--> 34360
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
The paradox of a person performing 'magic' for an audience is a valid
issue. If you REALLY could do magic you wouldn't bother being a 2-bit
performer, you would use it in much more powerful ways- e.g. Sai Baba
.
I happen to like rope effects as people can relate to the cut &
restore aspects - it doesn't appear possible. I think rope magic is
closer to 'real' magic than card magic is. Most people know its
possible to manipulate a deck of cards, or mark them, or do any numbe
r of tricky magician scams with a deck of cards - but rope, naah !
Msg #34334 Dated 0:54:35 02-22-92 34220 <--> 34364
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
I use three small (I mean really small) drops of crazy glue down the
center of a one-eyed jack (one in the center and one in the eye),
hides the dot real well and they can't be seen, only felt.
.
I sometimes amaze myself when I do a cut and hit. It's a really good
gaff.
Msg #34335 Dated 0:54:39 02-22-92 34278 <--> 34342
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
You should be using IMP! to get you daily dise of msgs, will cut
your bill way down. David will help you with I'm sure. Most long
distance people with PC's use it.
.
If you have PCPLUS I'll make up some script files to get you on and
off in minimum connect time. Let me know.
Msg #34336 Dated 0:54:43 02-22-92 34261 <--> 34337
From: JERRY BURTON
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I was referring to lines being used from people currently performing
and having been in the same venue only the week before I have yet
to see a line in print that I would use. Most of the 'old time'
stuff is really boring. Take the effect and add your own self to it.
Msg #34337 Dated 0:54:47 02-22-92 34268 <--> 34338
From: JERRY BURTON
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I may have mentioned this before, but the best lecture I have ever
seen was by Hiawatha at the San Diego IBM a few years ago.
.
He did the same effect in three different ways. First, using the
'presentation' that came with the effect, second as a TV type game
show host and finally as a mad scientist.
.
The whole point was that presentation is everything. It was terrifc.
Msg #34338 Dated 0:54:52 02-22-92 34300 <--> 34340
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Did you recognize my Tarot divination as a variation of an effect
shown on the video ? Hint: one-way (not the christian type).
Msg #34339 Dated 0:54:28 02-22-92 34217 <--> 34358
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I would be interested to learn how you came to this conclusion about
happy Latin women -- although one possible explanation is that the
unhappy ones are all dead...
Msg #34340 Dated 0:58:07 02-22-92 34261 <--> 34341
From: T A WATERS
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Necrophiliac magic...? Why borrow from anyone? They ain't you -- and
unless they had exactly the same personality it wouldn't work -- come
to think of it, it STILL wouldn't work because their presentation was
for a different era. In saying this I realize I am being somewhat
ingenuous, because from the acts of many magicians I would guess they
don't know we've moved into the '50's, let alone the '90's.
Msg #34341 Dated 1:10:03 02-22-92 34269 <--> 34365
From: T A WATERS
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: WHEREWOULD WE BE
But how can they have no ambitions and still want to perform -- and be
anything more than dreadful?
Msg #34342 Dated 3:38:31 02-22-92 34286 <--> 34347
From: MAX MAVEN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Why is that more likely? In point of fact, the statue in question is
most definitely a scaled down version of David.
Msg #34343 Dated 3:39:27 02-22-92 34291 <--> 34356
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: CRICHTON
To judge from your description, Crichton is woefully misinformed about
the cultural nature of blame and responsibility in Japanese culture.
Too, while it is happily quite true that statistics for certain types
of crime are relatively low in Japan (their rates for assaultive crimes
such as mugging and rape are among the lowest in the industrialized
world), it is rather an overstatement to suggest that there is
"virtually no crime." Among other things, this will come as news to the
Yakuza.
By the way, for the record, I don't think the problem concerning the
statement in the DMS ad is merely a case of wording in need of
clarification. Agreed, the problem does not benefit from venom, but a
problem it truly is, and one which represents a larger situation that
ought to have evolved by now.
Msg #34347 Dated 7:39:26 02-22-92 34266 <--> 34351
From: PETE BIRO
To: WHIT HAYDN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Great last line! I have been working pretty steadily to discover,
and book (and encourage) women performers. There are a few (not
enough) that are indeed very creative, and talented.
Msg #34349 Dated 7:39:37 02-22-92 34274 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HELP ME!!
There is a Nuts Museum in Belgium (Gen. McAuliffe said "Nuts" to
Hitler when asked to surrender. And the museum is about the war
in that area).
Msg #34350 Dated 7:39:42 02-22-92 34275 <--> 34352
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Took me half an hour to find my hotel room last night (after
midnight) at the Town and Country (Hotel Circle road) it is SOOOOO
HUGE..... NUTZ
Msg #34351 Dated 7:39:47 02-22-92 34278 <--> 34353
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
You got to get RDMAGIC an automated program to read/reply offline.
Msg #34352 Dated 7:39:50 02-22-92 34282 <--> 34377
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Map Yew.... veddy goooooood.
Msg #34353 Dated 7:39:53 02-22-92 34286 <--> 34368
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I have a corkscrew of the Prince of Belgium... his real name is
Mannequin Pis
Msg #34355 Dated 7:40:02 02-22-92 34290 <--> 34375
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
There is no room for HATE in any form. ARgh....
Msg #34356 Dated 7:40:05 02-22-92 34291 <--> 34369
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: CRICHTON
I said it. It was amazing how shops were alse so clean it was
frightening... then I noted hat they dusted the merchandise every
morning, etc. etc... when it is so tight (tiny shops with thousands
of items - electronic and camera shops - you got to keep things
neat and tidy... or you are lost!
Msg #34357 Dated 7:40:11 02-22-92 34292 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: THANKS
OK dude... a drink it is...
Msg #34358 Dated 7:40:14 02-22-92 34298 <--> 34359
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
These are big, you can wrap Salmon.
Msg #34359 Dated 7:40:17 02-22-92 34299 <--> 34366
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I figger what I said was not going to be understood, and typical
of me, overstated and got into complications... thus... Biro should
stick to one liners and magic.
Msg #34360 Dated 7:40:22 02-22-92 34301 <--> 34361
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
And a number of their cooks that aren't cooks.
Msg #34361 Dated 7:40:25 02-22-92 34304 <--> 34363
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Actually you just mime it... have a shoelace tucked into yur shoe
and pretent to unlace bringing the lace you use up into play.
.
The trick. You work one lace inside another (the tip makes it easy)
and one end has the inner lace sticking about about 3 inches from
the end.
.
A bit of byplay, you borrow a ring, tie it to center. Then say,
"so I can't switch 'em, I'll tie it to your coat (buttonhole)
Then you put hand over the area where it sticks out of inner one
and slide the outer back about a foot. Have spectator hold the
tip of the inner lace, set fire to it about half way between your
and his hands (closer to his) then when it burns down to point
where he is just holding the tip, take tip. And appear to put into
your clumped hand. Pull the outer lace back out and VIOILA A RESTOED
SHOELACE... does not read like much but in practice is a great
impromptu looking trick. Leave to applause and tie your shoes.
Msg #34362 Dated 7:40:42 02-22-92 34320 <--> 34522
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
I don't know. Don't have the sked with me. Ask Wells.
Msg #34363 Dated 7:40:45 02-22-92 34333 <--> 34392
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I have recently met some folks that I had not seen for over 20
years (they were 10-12 years old then) and they STILL REMEMBER THE
ROPE TRICKS I USED TO DO FOR THEM... I had a guy who I had not seen
for 15 years (a retired Stock Car race driver) even tell me the
name of the card he chose .... fifteen years ago.... I know he was
correct, it was a force card that I still use for a certain effect.
Msg #34364 Dated 7:40:52 02-22-92 34334 <--> 34444
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
REsin works better. You can't miss.
Try this. Have Koornwinder control card ABOVE A KNOWN CARD (FORCE)
and just toss the whole deck (easily) across the bar or table to
someone.... the deck will break open... and if they are lazy they
will SELECT the force card. You are so far away, ot looks so casual
there is no suspicion.... IT DOES NOT ALWAYS WORK... so have a
card
with all 52 printed on it for the out... HAHH
Msg #34365 Dated 7:41:01 02-22-92 34336 <--> 34367
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
The old stuff is BORING because the references have changed.
Msg #34366 Dated 7:41:04 02-22-92 34339 <--> 34397
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
You got it... NO, the older civilizations just seem to have roles
better defined that tne infant American one... and people don't
sweat about it.
Msg #34367 Dated 7:41:08 02-22-92 34341 <--> 34398
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
That is why they are dreadful. IN OUR TERMS.
.
I got some audition tapes of school assembly performances. The kids
in aud. were loving it.... on the stage in the real world they
were worse than dreadful. Its weird. Argh...
Msg #34368 Dated 7:41:15 02-22-92 34342 <--> 34372
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
What part is scaled down?
Msg #34369 Dated 7:41:18 02-22-92 34343 <--> 34426
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CRICHTON
Max, Joe gave it a lot of thought... his feeling, when I chatted
with him, was that the MAJORITY of magicians attending are men.
And he figured since the DMS is heavy on the 'SOCIAL' side, parties,
visits to S&R home, backstage, etc. that a lot of the guys wanted
to bring their wives. The wives also like to play the slots and
don't attend all the functions, lectures, etc.... so he figured to
make it EASY on that segment he would give the "accompanying
FEMALE a break on the price" (I think I misquoted the ad the other
day saying WIFE instead of FEMALE). That was Joe's decision... it
was for the Majority. When there are exceptions (maybe 1 or 2 in
a year) he is reasonable and will adjust. And part of it is his
economy of statement... you can't go on and on with text in an
ad. He told me once, "If someone comes up with a better wording
have 'em tell me"....
.
Believe me, with JOE AND AMY.... there is NO DISCRIMINATION GOING ON.
.
One of my best friends was Emile Clifton... you might recall him.
He died a few years ago. he was black, a medal of honor winner in
WWII and a fine magician. One nof my greatest teachers.
.
He wouldn't do shows for me for conventions of any kind and we were
really close buddies... finally one day I said "Emile... WHY WON'T
YOU DO A SHOW ON ONEN OF MY CONVENTIONS...???
.
He said, "Well, I'll tell you... Not too long ago I registered for
one, showed up and was wandering around when a couple of the
committee men showed up, handed my my money back, took my badge
and showed me the door, saying, 'we don't allow NIGGERS in our
convention'....!!!!!"
.
Makes you feel reel good, eh....
.
stay tuned... GOT TO GO TO WORK...
Msg #34370 Dated 8:14:59 02-22-92 34324 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: VISIT
Just say HI next time. Always nice to see guys from MAGIC. I
undertand about the time involved in making the flash string. I'm in
the middle of building four, your read that right four illusions.
Have spent almost a year designing all the stuff and now am into the
building stage. Alot of work, but man is it fun. Hope to all the stuff
ready for a show in May. Problem is I am suppose to produce two
commercials and a feature film in between. Just my luck. Nothing
happens in the film industry for months, so...I start working around
the clock on the new act and what happens, the movie work pours in. I
guess I should be happy, but...I would love to finish the act not that
I am started in a big way. Let me know your progress. Thanks for
keeping me posted. MIKE.
Msg #34371 Dated 8:20:53 02-22-92 -> 35988
From: MIKE KING
To: ALL
Re: SUNDAY BRUNCH 2/23
I am having brunch Sunday with Tom Patchett, the creator of ALF and
Buffalo Bill and many other great T.V. shows. He has a computer, like
all of us. So if any MAGIC loggers happen to be there. Please stop by
and say Hi. I would like to intriduce him to you. He's a helluva nice
guy and I would like to show him what great guys there are on the BBS.
Thanks. MIKE.
Msg #34372 Dated 8:23:49 02-22-92 34286 <--> 34373
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
No, it's David (NOT Cpperfield!) and it looks just like the one in
front of Caesars Palace. Except the one in front of Caesars doesn't
dispense soap (wouldn't THAT be a kick?)
Msg #34373 Dated 8:25:13 02-22-92 34287 <--> 34374
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
How DID we get on this subject, anyway? I have COMit software, by the
way. Supposed to made for idiots like me.
Msg #34374 Dated 8:24:46 02-22-92 34328 <--> 34380
From: MIKE KING
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
"slice of Western culture" Sounds like a pun to me. I have done
quite a bit of research on serial killers. There are several females.
But far more men. I happened to be the first news cameraman on the
scene when the police searched John Wayne Gacy's house ion Chicago in
'78. Since then have done much reseach on the subject. Don't reallt
know what this thread is about, but if anyone wants to know about
serial killers, trust me I can fill in some of the blanks. MIKE.
Msg #34375 Dated 8:27:19 02-22-92 34290 <--> 34417
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
WOW! What a message! You know I think sometimes male magicians just
plain don't feel women are qualified (whatever term you care to use) to
perform THEIR trade. I interviewed Margaret Dailey last year and she
said that women inmagic were no diffreent than women in ANY male
dominated trade, and they really ARE victimized. My daughter made a
cute comment the other night - SHE is an up and coming magician
herself, and she said "Let's put the MEN in the little boxes and
torture THEM for a change!" I got the very BEST message from Max Maven
(I haven't come down to earth yet, he's one of my idols) and he feels
as I that there is no way a woman could NOT feel slighted by the term
"Female accompanying magician" and that "spouse" would serve as well.
Or "assistant". I am not going to provide a thesaurus here, but for us
paltry 2%, if that is indeed how many of us FEMALE magi there are (who
took THAT survey - a MAN?) it serves no purpose but to again, put us
down. And until we just say we've had enough, it will continue. I
love everything about magic - performing, learning new effects, meeting
new people - ALL of it. But there is not one MAN who can tell ME how
it feels to be a WOMAN in magic. Would you believe I wanted to do some
articles on magic from a woman's point of view once and the idea was
squashed because of some pretty vague reasons. It boiled down to "What
would the GUYS think?" But I am happy to report that I have found a
new venue and am once more a happy writer!
Fax number is 1-619-453-7976.
Magically,
Stace
Msg #34376 Dated 8:38:25 02-22-92 34309 <--> 34379
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
You figure it out! I sure can't. I made a call to a magi in St. Louis
yesterday, to my best FEMALE magician friend and her first words were
"Boy did we hear about YOU!" Terrific...now I'm notorious!
Msg #34377 Dated 8:40:06 02-22-92 34310 <--> 34378
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Ah, Kev...I is an ol' ol' rock and roller. Bob Seger, Springsteen,
Pink Floyd, Led Zep. But I also like the new rock, like Color me Badd,
the Black Crowes, U2, Janes Addiction. Def Leppard - DEFinitely! But
my mom introduced me to jazz and I can't help but want to dance to
Glenn Miller, Duke Ellington, Tommy Dorsey. And new jazlike David
Sandborn, Chris Spheeris, Wynton Marsalis. Opera is awful and COUNTRY
sucks! Other than that...everything. I was listening to Bob Dylan the
other day. My God he can't sing, but he sure had a message. I a a
true 60's rocker all the way. Anybody out there got a Harley?
Msg #34378 Dated 8:44:56 02-22-92 34323 <--> 34383
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
I got Yamahas. And I can ride one, too!
Msg #34379 Dated 8:45:47 02-22-92 34332 <--> 34510
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
It'd have to be a pretty big fig leaf to cover my big behind! Besides,
fig leaves itch!
Msg #34380 Dated 8:47:02 02-22-92 34335 <--> 34382
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Huh? I have COMit software. I'm on an AT 286 with 40MB, whatever the
hell that means. I TOLD you I was dumb!
Msg #34382 Dated 8:49:35 02-22-92 34351 <--> 34386
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Okay, so where do I get it?
Msg #34383 Dated 8:50:01 02-22-92 34352 <--> 34436
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
They are related to the Motees, who used to be hired as butlers and
waiters and say to people "Motee?" "Motee?"
Msg #34384 Dated 9:23:30 02-22-92 34317 <--> 34400
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
David,
When we talked about the train trip, I was excitedat the
prospect, but didn't see how it could happen. I hope you make it
happen in the future. If you need any help, just holler.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34385 Dated 9:23:39 02-22-92 34318 <--> 34401
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
David,
Yeah, I've worked on the dishmachine at the IHOP in Barstow.
We hada lot of problems with a local rock hall's patrons going
to Denny's and causing trouble. So they now close early. A far
cry from when they decided to close on Christmas and had to buy
locks for a bunch of stores.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34386 Dated 10:43:39 02-22-92 34326 <--> 34387
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
OK, OK - I will moderate my view of Brownmiller - she is only a little
worse than Hansel.
Msg #34387 Dated 10:44:55 02-22-92 34342 <--> 34388
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I figured it was more likely because the statue I referred to is more
commonly available and generally costs less.
Is this soap dispensing David more socially acceptable than an
equivalent soap dispensing Aphrodite in the Men's Room would be?
Msg #34388 Dated 10:52:51 02-22-92 34353 <--> 34389
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Great! Maybe you can consider donating the corkscrew to the Main Bar
at the Castle! I've seen the original somewhere - I think it was in
Belgium.
Msg #34389 Dated 10:55:17 02-22-92 34372 <--> 34390
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Hmmm... Guess I'll have to wander into the Lady's Room and see it
sometime.
Msg #34390 Dated 10:55:49 02-22-92 34373 <--> 34391
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I don't know anything about COMit software. Do you have a manual for
it? Does it list any instructions for a "capture buffer"?
Msg #34391 Dated 10:57:10 02-22-92 34382 <--> 34396
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
You can download RDMAGIC from the files area here on MAGIC!
Msg #34392 Dated 11:03:58 02-22-92 34329 <--> 34393
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Henning Nelms differentiates between deception and conviction;
"Conviction differs fundamentally from deception. Succesful deception
results in unquestioning belief. Conviction requires only what is
called 'suspension of disbelief.' The playgoer never regards the
events of a drama as real; he merely fails to disbelieve them."
Magic may require more than "suspension of disbelief."
Msg #34393 Dated 11:08:28 02-22-92 34333 <--> 34394
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I am not completely discounting rope magic, and you are right, it is a
display of very magical properties conducted on a simple physical
object, but it just seems a bit odd to me in that only magi carry rope
around with them. Except as a gag line, it is difficult to look an
audience in the eye and say, "May I borrow a piece of rope."
Msg #34394 Dated 11:10:26 02-22-92 34360 <--> 34395
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Actually, I've always regarded McDonalds as an ideal model for social
services - it dispenses a successful product, based on the request of
the customer, and relies entirely on untrained help.
Msg #34395 Dated 11:13:08 02-22-92 34361 <--> 34421
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Actually, that sounds pretty good! But I'll have to see you do it -
you are right, the text description doesn't seem to do it justice.
Msg #34396 Dated 11:17:36 02-22-92 34390 <--> 34402
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I tried COMit - it came with one of the modem cards I bought. I
checked it out because of the MNP.5 emulation. I recommend using
the COMit disk as a frisbee and switching to Procommmmm! (Remember
that modem that locked up whenever line 2 picked up on the 9600bps).
Msg #34397 Dated 11:14:26 02-22-92 34330 <--> 34416
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
While I aspire to a sense of humanity, I fail to see the progress in
the last few centuries. I am quoting a figure from memory, but I
believe that at its peak, American slavery involved some 1.2 million
people. Within our own generation, we have seen the enslavement, under
far more brutal conditions, and the murder of more than 5 times that
many people, and that does not include the events that occurred in
other parts of the World (the Stalin era, for example) during just the
last century. Within our own generation, we have also seen the
American enslavement of the Japanese and the use of the most deadly
force on civilians, twice.
Maybe that is what allows magic to be popular? People still have
dreams.
Msg #34398 Dated 11:24:15 02-22-92 34338 <--> 34432
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I didn't get that far into the T. A. Waters Video yet. I got about
half way on this run and Nathan wanted a break.
Msg #34400 Dated 11:32:12 02-22-92 34384 <--> 34438
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
You ain't kiddin' we need help! You know how to drive a train?
Msg #34401 Dated 11:32:46 02-22-92 34385 <--> 34439
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
The Christmas story was a pure PR piece! I'm convinced that the actual
intent was to move from 24-hours to closing at night in most locations.
_THAT_ was the reason for buying the locks, not the endearing little
Christmas story.
Msg #34402 Dated 11:34:06 02-22-92 34396 <--> 34408
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
OK, you might want to tell Stacey about the failings you found in
COMit. I don't know the program at all.
Good to see you around here!
Msg #34405 Dated 14:16:43 02-22-92 -> 34584
From: DOC EASON
To: YOOHOO ANYBODY
Re: MIKE CLOSE ADR AND PHONE
Yoo hoo anybody...I need Mike Close's adr and phone # any body out
there can help.
Msg #34406 Dated 14:18:17 02-22-92 -> 34434
From: DOC EASON
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: UNPACKING
Are you home tonight late Sat Feb 22 so to call you and try to unpack
the word bag???
Msg #34407 Dated 14:19:22 02-22-92 -> 34958
From: DOC EASON
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: MAJ
On it's way, thanks much.
Msg #34408 Dated 15:47:49 02-22-92 34402 <--> 34409
From: TABBY CRABB
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Stacey seems to be doing a fine job using COMit...it was just me that
didn't really like it at all. Too movey a program for me. Procomm is
more xparant. I have been around everyday, just reading and haven't
felt like saying a whole lot of stuff. Enjoying the discussions though
and seeing that MAGIC! is doing well and prospering with the new wealth
of members who have signed on in the past year. Thanks, see you.
Msg #34409 Dated 16:46:14 02-22-92 34408 <--> 34423
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
OK, well, I don't know anything about COMit, so I can't be of much
help. But if Stacey can figure out how to use it to down and upload
and if she's comfortable with it, then it is OK.
Just as long as you are here, then all is good. You don't need to say
anything.
Msg #34413 Dated 17:06:34 02-22-92 33386 <--> 34959
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: FRANK ZAK (X)
Re: VACATION
Sounds good to me! I live in Walnut Creek, but I can get to Berkeley or
S.F. easily.
Msg #34415 Dated 17:14:23 02-22-92 -> 34441
From: SCOTT CRAM
To: ALL
Re: FUNNY THING... PART II!
During a visit to the local magic shop, I got into a conversation about
"Sponge & Sleeve" (From Roger Klause in Concert, by Lance Pierce).
D
Whhooopss! Anyway, back to the story..
One magicians was explaining his patter--"Here's where I might say
something like 'Ordinarily, I use my own sleeve to vanish a ball, but
in this occasion, I used your sleeve!" Wherein the sponge ball from the
shop owners sleeve. The shop owner replied, mimicing the magi,
"Ordinarily, I use my own sleeve to blow by nose..."
On a more serious note, at the '91 PCAM convention, Jimmy Yoshida had
an item for sale, a little flesh-colored square that fits in the bend
of your fingers, acting almost like a thumb tip for your palm. Does
anyone have an ordering address for Jimmy Yoshida? Or know of anywhere
I can pick up this item in the Bay Area?
Msg #34416 Dated 17:29:34 02-22-92 34366 <--> 34420
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
But people most certainly _do_ sweat about it.
Msg #34417 Dated 17:30:17 02-22-92 34375 <--> 34427
From: MAX MAVEN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Just to clarify, although we essentially in agreement I do not feel
that changing to the term "spouse" would solve the problem. While that
term would certainly be an improvement, it suggests that heterosexual
marriage is being specified, thus still excluding many people.
I am truly baffled at why this seems so difficult to handle. The idea,
as I understand it, is to allow a magician to bring along a
non-magician companion who would want to see the shows but not the
lectures, hence deserving a lower registration price. So, why not
simply refer to it that way? It's simple and straightforward.
Msg #34420 Dated 20:04:31 02-22-92 34366 <--> 34422
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Pete -- I get the impression that you seem to think that clearly
defined sex roles are a good thing; what about the people that don't
fit into those templates, and who exist in virtually all cultures?
Msg #34421 Dated 20:06:32 02-22-92 34392 <--> 34431
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I dunno about that "never" -- if you didn't regard them as real, at
least in some sense, I don't think you would react to them -- as people
watching plays and films clearly do. I think it might be better to say
that the audience member only regards the events as TEMPORARILY real --
or real "in the moment."
If magic is presented as theater -- in other words, for some other
reason that to simply show that one can do it -- I don't know that it
would require more of a suspension of disbelief; the audience has
ALREADY agreed to be in an imaginary world.
Msg #34422 Dated 20:10:03 02-22-92 34397 <--> 34442
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
David, David: in discussions of sociology we don't talk so much about
what we actually do -- just how we FEEL about it. The difference today
is that everyone agrees that slavery is a bad thing...even if we still
do it...;-]
Msg #34423 Dated 20:13:24 02-22-92 34387 <--> 34424
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
How would you -- ah -- AIM it?
Msg #34424 Dated 20:15:38 02-22-92 34390 <--> 34425
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!! I hate this freakin computer! I hate it! I
hate it! I should have gone on the trip to Switzerland, but NO! I had
to buy the Computer from Hell and it is driving me NUTZ NUTZ NUTZ!!!!
sg #34425 Dated 20:17:32 02-22-92 34391 <--> 34453
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I'd like to download this computer into the Pacific Ocean
Msg #34426 Dated 20:16:13 02-22-92 34369 <--> 34590
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRICHTON
What convention was that incident with Clifton?
As to Stevens -- I don't think there is any conscious malice or such
on the part of Joe and Amy; no indication of that. However -- the
stuff about the MAJORITY doesn't hold water; the whole point of a lot
of legal decisions is that you can't do something just because it is
acceptable to the majority. A convention is, I would think, something
of a public accomodation -- so I seriously doubt that the wording he is
using now would stand up to a legal challenge. I had better stop
before Weber happens to read this and accuses me of practicing law
without a license...
Msg #34427 Dated 20:18:32 02-22-92 34417 <--> 34555
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
As usual, you are 100% correct. Had I been thinking properly, the term
"spouse" also assumes marriage, and therefore further pigeonholes and
categorizes the attendees. Are we to assume that every twosome
attending the convention is a "couple" ? I have been informed that the
wording was specifically aimed at the AVOIDANCE of having magicians
bring friends, "pals", "buddies" or whatever terminology you care to
use. Therefore it would seem that not only are we being told HOW we
are to present ourselves for registration, but also the criteria for
living our personal lives. Despite reprimands from the magic
community, I STILL do not see how I cannot construe this as any other
way but sexist. Of course these comments are being rendered by males,
who cannot, despite all their preaching to the coir, properly relate
to me how I should think as a woman or identify with those feelings.
Thank you for enlightening me, Max...
Stacey
Msg #34431 Dated 21:23:24 02-22-92 34305 <--> 34445
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Yes, look for the commercials on TeeWee. They usually make a big hoopla
when the show comes to town!
Msg #34432 Dated 21:24:30 02-22-92 34336 <--> 34433
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Have you ever seen Senitor Crandell or Maury Leaf or Don Lawton? They
may be boring to you, being an entertainer. however to a lay audience
they consider it fresh and new!
Msg #34433 Dated 21:26:31 02-22-92 34340 <--> 34455
From: SCTT ALCALAY
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I have decided to memorize all my Robert Orben Books and do the tommy
windsor suitcase sideshow while wearing Danny Rouzers old tux dinner
jackets!
Msg #34434 Dated 21:28:11 02-22-92 34406 <-
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: UNPACKING
yes!
Msg #34436 Dated 22:23:58 02-22-92 34377 <--> 34437
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Stacey,
My main form of transport is a 920 cc "Yamaharley." (The Virago
is Yamaha's version of the old sportster.)
I like rock and roll when it is done well. I like listening to
Dylan's songs when someone else sings them. Did you happen to
catch the David Letterman anniversery show? They had Dylan on
singing a song, and it was AWFUL!!!!!
There was an old "Family Ties" episode where one of the kids
walks in on the parents listening to a Dylan song. His comment
was "Are you sure you have that on the right speed?"
There, enough Dylan smashing. A great writer.
I, too, had an aversion to country music, but much of that was
because I had been exposed to country from the '50s and the '70s.
A lot of twangin' and slidin' up to notes. There are (IMHO) some
very good country singers and writers out there these days.
Jazz is fun. No two ways about it.
I can listen to (and enjoy) about one aria at a time in opera.
After that, I start itchin' to do something (anything) else.
I could listen to Bach all day. I seldom pick up a guitar
without playing at least part of "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring."
Maybe we'll get a chance to play sometime. I would enjoy that.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34437 Dated 22:24:12 02-22-92 34378 <--> 34473
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
I have a Yamaha guitar, a Yamaha keyboard, and a Yamaha
motorcycle. Take your pick.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34438 Dated 22:36:44 02-22-92 34400 <--> 34458
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
Hell, I'll try anything once. Will I need the lock picks in the
dead of night. (Weird, I got called over to my boss' office the
other day, because someone I'm working with knows I pick locks.
A temp they had hired went home with the keys to the desk, and
they wanted to know if I could open it. Not the sort of thing
I'm used to being called over for. [yes, I opened the lock in
less time than the key would have taken.])
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34439 Dated 22:36:53 02-22-92 34401 <--> 34460
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Cynicism is alive and well in Arleta.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34440 Dated 23:27:32 02-22-92 -> 34461
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: ALL
Re: ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT
Some time next week they will be runing a spot on Escapism. It will
have Steve Baker and David De-Val. Perhaps some Houdini film. Tony
Curtis will M.C. Watch for it.
Msg #34441 Dated 0:19:19 02-23-92 34415 <--> 34586
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: FUNNY THING... PART II!
I love the "Ordinarily I use my own sleeve to blow my nose...." I
don't know where to find Yoshida - maybe someone else does.
Msg #34442 Dated 0:22:18 02-23-92 34422 <--> 34457
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Forgive me, I didn't realize we were taking a sociological approach -
I must have missed the off-ramp. Yeah, you're right - everything is
now peachy - why, we are practically at the penultimate of
civilization. We are so kind that we artificially support the homeless
and even our police think twice before shooting someone.
Msg #34443 Dated 0:32:22 02-23-92 -> 34463
From: GENO MUNARI
To: AL
Re: MELINDA-FIRST LADY OF MAG
Melinda will open at the Sands Hotel March 3, two shows, 8 & 10:30pm
each evening, dark Monday.........
Official!
Msg #34444 Dated 0:33:56 02-23-92 34364 <--> 34832
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
When you say resin, what exactly are you referring to. Resin based
glue, resin like for violin bows, or what ?
Msg #34445 Dated 0:33:57 02-23-92 34329 <--> 34447
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
The theatre analogy is a good one. The first time I ever went to
a theatre in the round I felt like I was peeking through someone's
window and seeing their innermost experiences being bared.
.
Most magic performances set a mood then break it, set a different
mood and break it. It's hard to get INTO a magic performance like
you can a play. The play sets a mood and maintains it and rather
quickly you become a part of it. Whereas in most magic performances
you are an OUTSIDE observer throughout. You never get the opportunity
to enter into it.
Msg #34447 Dated 0:34:07 02-23-92 34392 <--> 34448
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Interesting, when I use deception to 'prove' my psychic powers it
results in unquestioning belief ? If you believe that it is possible
for people to possess psychic powers and I show you something that
'proves' I possess these powers are you convinced that I do indeed
HAVE these powers or do you suspect deception ?
.
Isn't it possible to believe in psychic powers, but not be convinced
that I posses them because you know that I may using some means of
deceiving you ?
Msg #34448 Dated 0:34:12 02-23-92 34393 <--> 34449
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Yea that is a problem. It's even more difficult to borrow a pair of
scissors. Unless you use the old 'finger' cutting method (which I
pesonally feel defeats the 'true' illusion inherent in SEEING the
the rope being physically cut).
.
To carry it one step further who but magicians carry cards, half
dollars, or english pennies ?
.
Perhaps the most magical 'ungaffed' effect would be the cig-thru a
borrowed quarter. I also like turning some one's dollar inside out.
Msg #34449 Dated 0:38:07 02-23-92 34421 <--> 34450
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Seemed that way to me too, T. A. And I think that later Nelms goes on
to ammend his statement to embrace temporarily real. I personally like
to get totally involved in theater - be it magical or otherwise. In an
ideal presentation, it takes me a moment or two after the lights come
up for me to remember where I am.
Msg #34450 Dated 0:41:17 02-23-92 34431 <--> 34451
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Maybe that's why I've never seen the commercials - I never watch
television! OK, OK, I'm pretty faithful to "Leave It To Beaver" at 9
a.m. on weekdays, but that's about it.
Msg #34451 Dated 0:43:41 02-23-92 34447 <--> 34452
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Er, uh, I donno, Jerry. It is late and I can hardly figure out what I
think you thought you said. But, yes, on the surface it would appear
that it is possible to believe in psychic powers, but not to be
convinced that you (generic) possess them because I (generic) know that
you (generic) may be using some means of deceiving me (generic).
Msg #34452 Dated 0:45:50 02-23-92 34448 <--> 34459
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Actually, I'll bet that more people carry scissors around with them
than carry rope around with them. Cig thru borowed quarter is pretty
close to real magic. Floating a cigarette out of a pack and lighting
it with a floating match, if it could be done close-up and surrounded,
would probably be pretty good too.
Msg #34453 Dated 0:48:42 02-23-92 34423 <--> 34454
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
How would you aim it? Well, you'll have to use your imagination for
that, T. A. But maybe if the statue was . . . Nah, nevermind.
The real question was one of social acceptability. Apparently, it is
quite alright to have a soap dispensing David in the Lady's Room at the
Castle.
By the way, if you want a puzzle, figure out what to buy a 4-year old
girl as a birthday gift when you aren't her parents. It's OK for them
to buy her a doll or a cooking set, but heaven forbid that an outsider
should do so. And you can't be so sure that they would welcome a
baseball bat either.
Msg #34454 Dated 0:53:39 02-23-92 34424 <--> 34456
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
What's a-matter, Stacey? Not man enough to handle a computer?
Msg #34455 Dated 0:56:38 02-23-92 34433 <--> 34518
From: T A WATERS
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Gee, sounds like it would work...
Msg #34456 Dated 0:54:32 02-23-92 34425 <--> 34462
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
You just have to get over the basic operations and you'll be fine.
There are only about 10 things to learn in this case:
How to use your communications program to access MAGIC!
How to navigate your way around the message and file areas.
How to download and upload messages, using ASCII transfers.
How to download files from the files area.
How to unZip files from the files area.
How to use RDMAGIC (IMP!) to read messages and create replies.
The system is designed so that you only have to learn one thing at a
time. You've pretty well gotten steps 1 & 2. Now you need to go on to
step 3. You have to check the COMit manual or check with someone else
who uses COMit and figure out how to "capture" messages.
Msg #34457 Dated 0:57:31 02-23-92 34442 <--> 34466
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
This is hardly the pinnacle of civilization; from what we can piece
together, the people who lived in North America 10,000 years ago had a
much higher quality of life than most of us -- and worked less for it,
too. However, at this particular point in time SOME western cultures
have finally taken to the notion that people should not be punished for
not fitting in to a norm of religion, skin color, etc -- or that one
sex should be dominant. I don't think either you or Pete mean to
defend cultures in which brutality toward women is accepted as part of
the male's "identity" -- but someone whose perception is less
superhumanly acute than mine own might not draw the same conclusions...
Msg #34458 Dated 1:02:08 02-23-92 34438 <--> 34477
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
I envy you the lockpicking ability - it is something I have wanted to
learn for some time. We'll have to get together sometime and arrange
some lessons. (Serious!).
Msg #34459 Dated 1:01:48 02-23-92 34445 <--> 34505
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Part of that problem comes from a magic performance usually not being
ABOUT anything -- and there being no perceptible progression from point
A to Z. People don't get involved with it because there is nothing for
them to connect with -- a problem, mind you, not confined to magic but
achieving its finest flowering there.
Msg #34460 Dated 1:03:22 02-23-92 34439 <--> 34478
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
Well, the two events happened pretty much at the same time. And even
when they were promoing the Christmas story, I knew that no-one spends
a couple of hundred per location just so employees can go home at
Christmas. Yep, cynicism is alive and well in Arleta!
Msg #34461 Dated 1:04:47 02-23-92 34440 <--> 34464
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT
Thanks for the info, Manny! Appreciate it!
Msg #34462 Dated 1:04:09 02-23-92 34453 <--> 34465
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Well, as to what is acceptable in the Castle -- I remember fondly a
line Harry Anderson used to use to intro his Needle Through Arm routine
in the Parlor: "And now for something which, anywhere else, would be
in bad taste..."
Msg #34463 Dated 1:05:07 02-23-92 34443 <--> 34476
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MELINDA-FIRST LADY OF MAG
WOW! Super! Thanks for the info! And please say "Hi" to Melinda for
us! Remind her to log on to MAGIC!
Msg #34464 Dated 1:08:19 02-23-92 34440 <--> 34475
From: T A WATERS
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT
Ibelieve the piece is going to air tomorrow (Sunday) on ET; and by the
way, it is Escapology. Escapism is what we're doing here...
Msg #34465 Dated 1:11:09 02-23-92 34453 <--> 34467
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
For a four-year old's birthday, of any sex? Easy; books. If they can't
read, I tell them that when they can, and read that book, I will get
them another -- and then, of course, I try to find out from their
parents WHY they can't read...if the parents can read...
Msg #34466 Dated 1:06:47 02-23-92 34457 <--> 34469
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yep, I know about the apparent quality of life of Native Americans
10,000 years ago and it really bothers me! Our great march "upward"
has been a dubious event at best.
I do not believe that I ever even suggested that brutality toward women
should be accepted as a part of anyone's identity. What I did allude
to (I don't even recall saying it directly) was that it is entirely
possible that people who are genetically different from one another may
have different interests. And, as a matter of fact, there is a greatr
deal of recent research to support that conclusion. Our culture, with
its emphasis on only the appropriateness of male behavior and the
engenderment of similar behavior in women is, I suspect, counter to the
development of any real equality.
Our affairs should be conducted in such a manner that any woman is as
welcome in magic as any man. If she displays an interest, we should be
pleased to support that interest - to the same level that we would
support the interest a male might exhibit. But, should her interests
be in knitting, that should be rewarded as well. But, until Rosy Greer
told the world that he knitted, it was socially unacceptable for me to
do so, even though the British Navy used to teach seamen to knit.
Our emphasis should not be distorted, as I feel it is now, to favor
only those persuits that have been traditionally male. It should
include recognition and support for all human persuits.
I guess that this is turning into a midnight (1:30 a.m., actually)
diatribe, rather than a coherent statement of my philosophy - but it
bothers me that we have created a society in which I have to feel
guilty or insecure when I want to tell a woman that she looks pretty.
Msg #34467 Dated 1:22:20 02-23-92 34462 <--> 34468
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
OK, will you help me in a fund raising campaign to install a "separate
but equal" soap dispensing Aphrodite in the Men's Room?
Msg #34468 Dated 1:24:01 02-23-92 34465 <--> 34479
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Not a bad answer, T. A. But I think you see the issue I am really
raising and your answer evades the social issue.
By the way, we have considered giving her a magic set.
Msg #34469 Dated 1:26:39 02-23-92 34466 <--> 34487
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
By the way, make "all human persuits" into something reasonable - I
wasn't including murder when I wrote it.
Msg #34470 Dated 1:28:36 02-23-92 -> 34604
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DINNER
Was at a rather plesant dinner this evening - along with the President
of the Lockheed "Skunk Works" and the Astronaut/Mission Specialist
Ronald Sega, I met Tosh Miyagishima, Chief Engineer for Toyota Racing
Development U.S.A.
Hmmmm... Maybe that is something you didn't want to know!
Msg #34471 Dated 8:22:22 02-23-92 -> 34529
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: UPLOADING
I can now dowload rapidly - hooray! But I cannot upload. What is your
upload prompt? Do you have a Protocol Selection Menu? I tried page up
command. Doesn't work. How the heck do you upload?
Msg #34473 Dated 8:28:49 02-23-92 34437 <--> 34556
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
The bike...it's gotta be the bike...
Msg #34475 Dated 9:25:25 02-23-92 34440 <--> 34601
From: MIKE KING
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT
That runs tonight (Sunday) on Entertainment This Weekend. Or that's
what it used to be called. I spoke with John Tesh a few weeks ago
about it. Gonna talk about the guy upstate who died when he did the
buried alive and others (modern day) Houdinis. Are also going to show
a little of the silent era shorts Houdini made.
Msg #34476 Dated 9:27:38 02-23-92 34443 <--> 34496
From: MIKE KING
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MELINDA-FIRST LADY OF MAG
Thanks for the update, Geno. Knew we could count on you to keep us
abreast of things in Vegas. Tell her congrats!!! from all of us here
in L.A. By the way, should be rapping up prepwork on my act in the
next 30 days. Then video taping and I'll get you a copy. How's things
at your show. Great I hope. Please contact when you get a chance.
MIKE.
Msg #34477 Dated 10:24:40 02-23-92 34458 <--> 34563
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
David,
Be happy to. We'll bring bean-bags and make a day of it.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34478 Dated 10:24:47 02-23-92 34460 <-
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DAVID COPPERFIELD
At the time that it happened, I was servicing dishmachines for
restaurants. I saw memos on manager's windows which supported
the altuistic reasons. So, if nothing else, they were
consistant.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34479 Dated 10:24:55 02-23-92 34465 <--> 34486
From: KEVIN E CURTIN
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
YAY! I wish you had been around when I was a four-year-old!
All I ever got were dumb clothes.
Enjoy!
Kevin
Msg #34486 Dated 13:41:55 02-23-92 34468 <--> 34502
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Certainly there are toys that are supposedly gender-specific; my point
is simply that it is unneccesary to try to second guess other people's
perceptions of it by instead providing a NON-gender specific gift. That
is hardly an evasion, quite aside from the fact that if you are buying
a gift for a child other than your own I would think you would not wish
to conflict with whatever the parents' views on gender roles may be; in
buying a book or similar item you do that -- presuming the book itself
is not gender-oriented.
You mention in a previous message having to worry about telling a
woman she is attractive. Quite often, when I ask a woman in a social
situation her profession or occupation, she observes that I am the
first man who has ever asked her that question. A sad commentary...
Msg #34487 Dated 13:47:50 02-23-92 34466 <--> 34507
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Indeed genetics may to some degree influence interests -- but what
we're talking about her is assumptions by others regarding those
interests and how "appropriate" they are.
Msg #34493 Dated 15:15:35 02-23-92 -> 34571
From: DOC EASON
To: ALL
Re: NEWS FROM THE HOME FRONT.
Just to let y'all know, my wife is preggers with our third...and has
been slapped into bed by her OB she needs to be imobile for the next
6-8 weeks...Jeeez!Not a lot of fun on this front...trying to maintain
a happy face, fix her meals, tend to the boys, work!, and continue to
book for the off season and on and on. So if messages go unanswered ,
Y'all will know why. Leaving for the Denver Auto Show on Wed 26 feb
through1 mar...homw next sunday. Hope to have great news for the board
around the first of April.
Msg #34496 Dated 16:52:02 02-23-92 34476 <--> 34551
From: GENO MUNARI
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: MELINDA-FIRST LADY OF MAG
Thanks Mike, please call me at 702-876-8409 after midnight...Geno
[Note: Messages # 34497 through # 34499 were personal and do not
appear here.]
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