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Msg #34502 Dated 21:03:27 02-23-92 34130 <--> 34504
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Great quote from Brownmiller. Neither of the two women is top
grade. Sofonisba ? Guess I'll have to see what Paglia has to say
about magic. Female magicians shouldn't go to a man's hotel room
or they'll learn some awful magic?
Msg #34503 Dated 21:03:36 02-23-92 34131 <--> 34515
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Agree that there is regional magic. Due, not to books or VCR or
TV, but to regional magic clubs. Another reason to shun clubs.
Msg #34504 Dated 21:03:43 02-23-92 34136 <--> 34508
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Great quote from Wilde, but aren't they all?
Msg #34505 Dated 21:03:49 02-23-92 34141 <--> 34506
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Copperfield is not copied because most magicians can't to those
big things or things only performable on TV. The smaller items
they do copy. I hope there will not be a magic chanel. I see
enough bad comics - hate to see that many bad magicians. Can't do
magic any good.
Msg #34506 Dated 21:04:02 02-23-92 34459 <--> 34512
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Do you think that Bizarre Magick with its attempt to create an
atmosphere of mystery (in perhaps a seance setting) offers more of
an opportunity for magic theatre than other forms ?
Msg #34507 Dated 21:03:59 02-23-92 34147 <--> 34528
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Max - I can remember only one other animal trick. Small rabbit
put into a box followed by a fox. Lots of movement and a huge
rabbit produced who had apparently eaten the fox.
Msg #34508 Dated 21:04:07 02-23-92 34151 <--> 3450
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
True Max. The point which Paglia misses is that it is the
conditions of society, not sex, which determines accepted talent.
Msg #34509 Dated 21:04:14 02-23-92 34175 <--> 34516
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
OK not comparable - but a composer. Come to think of it, I can
think of few males comparable.
Msg #34510 Dated 21:04:21 02-23-92 34150 <--> 34511
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
The problem which most people seem to be missing about Joe
Stevens seems no to be gender. All magicians pay full price. Non
magicians, accompanying a magician, get a reduction. The
assumption is that a travelling companion doesn't have to pay
full price. A married couple, both performers, would both have to
pay full price.
Msg #34511 Dated 21:04:31 02-23-92 34181 <--> 34538
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
What the hell happened with Brad? This board is always
interested in our people and their relations with dealers.
Msg #34512 Dated 21:04:37 02-23-92 34185 <--> 34514
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
The problem with doing magic is the venue. In performaing close-
up I wouldn't do rope tricks. In an impromptu situation I
certainly would rather produce something for someone who is
hungry. However, I you are hired to perform in a walk-around
situation, you should be able to use coins, cards and linking
pins. These are the things I use. When you are hired to perform
you should be able to use any props that YOU have.
Msg #34513 Dated 21:04:49 02-23-92 -> 34541
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Thanks Pete. I saw Penn and Teller in New York. I know what the
ape in the act does, but now I know the hidden meaning in MOFO.
I must have a clean mind, else I would have understood.
Msg #3451 Dated 21:04:57 02-23-92 34214 <--> 34523
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
My buddy Jeff Altman used to say something about stand-up comics
and then do a pratt-fall. Not all comics could do this. OK so
maybe Mike Caldwell (sic).
Msg #34515 Dated 21:05:04 02-23-92 34242 <--> 34532
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Bill - it's Ballamur. Agree that Fetsch, Christopher and I had
funny ways of looking at things. We never tipped, but flashed a
lot, when people called us by name. Frank Thompson was here for a
while also. Howie has spent some time here also. Aw come on!!!
Msg #34516 Dated 21:05:13 02-23-92 34265 <--> 34519
From: CY KELLER
To: WHIT HAYDN (X)
Re: Y
Whit - The perversion seems to me to be on Paglia's part. I
think she is dreaming all of this up. She doesn't seem to be
describing anyone I know.
Msg #34517 Dated 21:05:20 02-23-92 -> 34545
From: CY KELLER
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: I'M FLYING INTO LA ON WED
This may sound great to Paglia. I think she's completely wrong.
If you want to bash males, as I think she wants to to do, she is
completely wrong. Males are not prfect, but they are not this
bad.
Msg #34518 Dated 21:05:29 02-23-92 34269 <--> 34524
From: CY KELLER
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Mike - I agree that people who have no ambitions, yet perform,
are not in need of perfessional help. I make good money
performing, but at present do not perform full time
professionally. I can't see why I need help. The free shows I do
will in the end produce paid performances. Yes - there may be
some professionals who need help.....
Msg #34519 Dated 21:05:39 02-23-92 34295 <--> 34520
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
David - I'll have to read Paglia to look into the myth
structue. Sonds interestng.
Msg #34520 Dated 21:05:46 02-23-92 34326 <--> 34521
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Thanks for telleing who Hansel is. He (sic) sounds pretty good to
me. I think Brownmiller is right on.
Msg #34521 Dated 21:05:53 02-23-92 34328 <--> 34531
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I agree about female multiple murderers.
Msg #34522 Dated 21:05:58 02-23-92 34230 <--> 34550
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
TA - I think you said it all. Thanks.
Msg #34523 Dated 21:06:03 02-23-92 34333 <--> 34534
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Right on with rope tricks. I hope that cards don't become a
strange prop. I'll be lost.
Msg #34524 Dated 21:06:10 02-23-92 34336 <--> 34525
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I saw one of the strangest things today. I don't know how to
explanin it. J.C Wagner's tape demonstrates a lot of great Bar
tender magic. In watching the performancs I had the feeling I was
watching Bob Sheets perform. Not only were many of the sane lines
the same, but the actual intonations the same. I was like
watching a clone.
.
The two performers worked together for some time, so they would
tend to look alike. How are we to deal with this in the ethical
problem? I admire both of these performers.
Msg #34525 Dated 21:06:24 02-23-92 34337 <--> 34546
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
This is the best idea I've heard about lectures. Yeah - show the
trick and then some applications.
Msg #34526 Dated 21:08:29 02-23-92 -> 35817
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MELINDA
Congrats to Melinda and the whole crew. Just in time!
Will look forward to seeing the show next month.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #34527 Dated 21:09:05 02-23-92 -> 34575
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
T A Waters beat me to the answer, but I ALWAYS give
kids books. Gender-schmender. Books are simply the
best gift. (Sorry to say I haven't seen any worthwhile
magic sets since I was a kid myself and Gilbert was
still in business. Have occasionally given a single
Tenyo item.) And I always give first babies a copy of
GOODNIGHT MOON. Must have given a couple of dozen over
the years. It won't be long until the parents can read
the kid to sleep with it.
Am still working on that restaurant name. My sister in
Atlanta hasn't responded on Prodigy all weekend.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #34528 Dated 21:10:16 02-23-92 34469 <--> 34535
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Are you taking over for Pete while he is gone - writing msgs to
yourself ??? You should have made it private - how embarassing !
Msg #34529 Dated 21:10:18 02-23-92 34471 <--> 34561
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: UPLOADING
Select F)iles and U)pload and use PGUP at the prompt ! Similair to
download except the other direction - if you need any help with
RDMAGIC let me kow - its pretty self contained, read the help
screen that comes up when you first start the program it tells you
all the commands.
Msg #34531 Dated 21:19:29 02-23-92 34130 <--> 34533
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Great quote from Brownmiller. Neither of the two women is top
grade. Sofonisba ? Guess I'll have to see what Paglia has to say
about magic. Female magicians shouldn't go to a man's hotel room
or they'll learn some awful magic.
Msg #34532 Dated 21:19:43 02-23-92 34131 <--> 34543
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Agree that there is regional magic. Due, not to books or VCR or
TV, but to regional magic clubs. Anther reason to shun clubs.
Msg #34533 Dated 21:19:51 02-23-92 34136 <--> 34536
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Great quote from Wilde, but aren't they all?
Msg #34534 Dated 21:19:57 02-23-92 34141 <--> 34540
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Copperfield is not copied because most magicians can't to those
big things or things only performable on TV. The smaller items
they do copy. I hope there will not be a magic chanel. I see
enough bad comics - hate to see that many bad magicians. Can't do
magic any good.
Msg #34535 Dated 21:20:06 02-23-92 34147 <--> 34568
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Max - I can remember only one other animal trick. Small rabbit
put into a box followed by a fox. Lots of movement and a huge
rabbit produced who had apparently eaten the fox.
Msg #34536 Dated 21:20:14 02-23-92 34151 <--> 34537
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
True Max. The point which Paglia misses is that it is the
conditions of society, not sex, which determines accepted talent.
Msg #34537 Dated 21:20:21 02-23-92 34175 <--> 34544
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
OK not comparable - but a composer. Come to think of it, I can
think of few males comparable.
Msg #34538 Dated 21:20:28 02-23-92 34150 <--> 34539
From: CY KELLER
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
The problem which most people seem to be missing about Joe
Stevens seems no to be gender. All magicians pay full price. Non
magicians, accompanying a magician, get a reduction. The
assumption is that a travelling companion doesn't have to pay
full price. A married couple, both performers, would both have to
pay full price.
Msg #34539 Dated 21:20:38 02-23-92 34181 <-
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY
What the hell happened with Brad? This board is always
interested in our people and their relations with dealers.
Msg #34540 Dated 21:20:45 02-23-92 34185 <--> 34542
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
The problem with doing magic is the venue. In performaing close-
up I wouldn't do rope tricks. In an impromptu situation I
certainly would rather produce something for someone who is
hungry. However, I you are hired to perform in a walk-around
situation, you should be able to use coins, cards and linking
pins. These are the things I use. When you are hired to perform
you should be able to use any props that YOU have.
Msg #34541 Dated 2:20:56 02-23-92
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: BINARELLI
Thanks Pete. I saw Penn and Teller in New York. I know what the
ape in the act does, but now I know the hidden meaning in MOFO.
I must have a clean mind, else I would have understood.
Msg #34542 Dated 21:21:04 02-23-92 34214 <--> 34552
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
My buddy Jeff Altman used to say something about stand-up comics
and then do a pratt-fall. Not all comics could do this. OK so
maybe Mike Caldwell (sic).
Msg #34543 Dated 21:21:12 02-23-92 34242 <--> 34572
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Bill - it's Ballamur. Agree that Fetsch, Christopher and I had
funny ways of looking at things. We never tipped, but flashed a
lot, when people called us by name. Frank Thompson was here for a
while also. Howie has spent some time here also. Aw come on!!!
Msg #34544 Dated 21:21:20 02-23-92 34265 <--> 34547
From: CY KELLER
To: WHIT HAYDN (X)
Re: Y
Whit - The perversion seems to me to be on Paglia's part. I
think she is dreaming all of this up. She doesn't seem to be
describing anyone I know.
Msg #34545 Dated 21:21:28 02-23-92 -> 34559
From: CY KELLER
T: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: I'M FLYING INTO LA ON WED
This may sound great to Paglia. I think she's completely wrong.
If you want to bash males, as I think she wants to to do, she is
completely wrong. Males are not perfect, but they are not this
bad.
Msg #34546 Dated 21:21:36 02-23-92 34269 <--> 34553
From: CY KELLER
To: MICHAEL AMMAR (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Mike - I agree that people who have no ambitions, yet perform,
are not in need of perfessional help. I make good money
performing, but at present do not perform full time
professionally. I can't see why I need help. The free shows I do
will in the end produce paid performances. Yes - there may be
some professionals who need help.....
Msg #34547 Dated 21:21:47 02-23-92 34295 <--> 34548
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
David - I'll have to read Paglia to look into the myth
structue. Sonds interestng.
Msg #34548 Dated 21:21:53 02-23-92 34326 <--> 34549
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Thanks for telleing who Hansel is. He (sic) sounds pretty good to
me. I think Brownmiller is right on.
Msg #34549 Dated 21:22:00 02-23-92 34328 <--> 34558
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I agree about female multiple murderers.
Msg #34550 Dated 21:22:06 02-23-92 34230 <--> 34822
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
TA - I think you said it all. Thanks.
Msg #34551 Dated 21:20:40 02-23-92 34496 <--> 34605
From: MIKE KING
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MELINDA-FIRST LADY OF MAG
Will try and call. Am helping Ed Alonzo pratice for Magic Castle
tonight, but will make time to call. Talk to ya then. MIKE
Msg #34552 Dated 21:22:11 02-23-92 34333 <--> 34573
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Right on with rope tricks. I hope that cards don't become a
strange prop. I'll be lost.
Msg #34553 Dated 21:22:18 02-23-92 34336 <--> 34554
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I saw one of the strangest things today. I don't know how to
explanin it. J.C Wagner's tape demonstrates a lot of great Bar
tender magic. In watching the performancs I had the feeling I was
watching Bob Sheets perform. ot only were many of the sane lines
the same, but the actual intonations the same. I was like
watching a clone.
.
The two performers worked together for some time, so they would
tend to look alike. How are we to deal with this in the ethical
problem? I admire both of these performers.
Msg #34554 Dated 21:22:32 02-23-92 34337 <--> 34592
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
This is the best idea I've heard about lectures. Yeah - show the
trick and then some applications.
Msg #34555 Dated 21:22:39 02-23-92 34375 <--> 34591
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
My student Shalom Kelman may contact you to find out what's going
on...
accept no substitutes.
.
Women in magic are surely treated badly. They are the ones used
as objects in the effects, if they aren't used as tray holders. I
can still feel the extra effect I felt when I watched a woman
perform a card trick. Do women have the same feeling watching a
man performt the same effect?
Msg #34556 Dated 21:22:51 02-23-92 34377 <--> 34594
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Keep on listening to the Jazz. There aint nothing more. So thats
some info from an old fogey.
Msg #34558 Dated 22:08:25 02-23-92 34508 <--> 34564
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Cy, you have just made one of the more significant statements of the
month, possibly of the year! I don't know about whether Paglia misses
or does not miss that point, but you is dead on!
Msg #34559 Dated 22:13:35 02-23-92 34517 <--> 34697
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: I'M FLYING INTO LA ON WED
Cy -
You have already admitted that you haven't yet read Paglia. To assume
that she is male bashing, which I don't believe she is, you must be
acting on hearsay evidence.
Msg #34561 Dated 22:18:02 02-23-92 34471 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: UPLOADING
Do you want to upload a FILE to the Files area? If so, you can go to
the Files area - F from the Main Menu (and, of course, press ENTER),
then U and ENTER to UPLOAD and then follow the prompts. When
MAGIC! tells you it is ready and waiting, you can tell COMit (or
whatever you may be using) to begin the upload. Yes, there is a
protocol selection menu that will appear automatically during the
upload process.
Uploading MESSAGES is different - depends on whether you want to upload
one or several.
I _HOPE_ to have the real PASSPORT TO MAGIC! books revised and worked
out and sent to those who have already ordered them, and available as
well, by DMS.
Msg #34563 Dated 22:23:04 02-23-92 34477 <--> 34579
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
Lockpicking and beanbag juggling - sounds like a pretty good day to me!
But will probably have to be after DMS - I have a lot of work between
now and then.
Msg #34564 Dated 22:24:01 02-23-92 34479 <--> 34566
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Me too! And I do not think that clothes should be a present for young
children as a result. Clothes should be part of the things they get
from the household budget - you wouldn't think of giving them peanut
butter sandwiches for birthday presents, would you?
Msg #34565 Dated 22:28:23 02-23-92 -> 34576
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC IN LAKE TAHOE
Just got back from Lake Tahoe and couldn't find a performing magician
anywhere. It might be nice to have a list of currently performing
magicians and magic related events somewhere on this board. Any
suggestions?
Msg #34566 Dated 22:26:02 02-23-92 34486 <--> 34567
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
If the women you ask about profession or occupation tell you it is the
first time they have been asked, then you can be pretty sure they
haven't met me first. I generally ask, unless I've been briefed in
advance regarding that info.
However, that only substitutes one criteria for another. Why not go
for the throat and start out by asking their I.Q.? When I was a Mensa
member, that was a favorite form of introduction - "Hi, I'm Sally (or
Marvin) Simpleton and my I.Q. is 165."
Tonite I've read ahead (which, depending on where you are in the
message base may, for you, now be behind) and I find that Cy has hit
the nail on the head.
By the way, when I'm asked about my profession or occupation, something
I regard as a trivia question, I vary my answer to suit the setting an
my mood - writer, training developer, computer programmer, mage,
househusband . . . Whatever.
Msg #34567 Dated 22:36:03 02-23-92 34502 <--> 34580
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Sofonisba Anguisciola was cited by Illya S. Perlingieri, an art history
professor at San Diego State University, as a great female Reniassance
artist that Paglia overlooked.
Msg #34568 Dated 22:42:48 02-23-92 34487 <--> 34569
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
So we substitute one set of "appropriate" values for another set.
Sorry, T. A., but I regard one form of social conditioning as just as
unreasonable as another. How about we work out a plan to condition
everyone, regardless of race, creed, color, sex, gender, or preference
for any of the above, to regard magic as the most important thing in
the world - now THAT might be progress!
Msg #34569 Dated 22:45:23 02-23-92 34528 <--> 34583
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Urp! Yeah, I guess I took over Pete's job and wrote to myself. Oh,
well, like they say in pre-school - "Doo Doo Happens."
Msg #34571 Dated 22:47:43 02-23-92 34493 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: NEWS FROM THE HOME FRONT.
Nice to hear about 3rd on way! Not nice to hear about bedridden
condition of wife. Would assume she is no happier about it than you
are!
It is "Daddy and Boy" week around here this week. "Mom" took off this
morning for a week long site visit at one of the NASA facilities.
Msg #34572 Dated 22:50:15 02-23-92 34503 <--> 34828
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I had assumed that regional magic might be due to preferences on the
part of the audience, rather than upon regional magic clubs.
Interesting!
Msg #34573 Dated 22:51:41 02-23-92 34505 <--> 34574
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I wasn't advocating a "Magic Channel." As a matter of fact, I find the
idea a bit nauseating. But I think that specials, like Copperfield's,
do magic a lot of good.
Msg #34574 Dated 22:53:34 02-23-92 34512 <--> 34582
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Well, in theory, if you were hired to do walk-around, you could produce
various drinks on request - sort of a magical bartender. As a
walk-around mentalist, you could even produce the drinks and/or
"Designated Driver" buttons without asking what they wanted first.
Msg#34575 Dated 22:57:57 02-23-92 34527 <--> 34696
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yep, and all kids get for birthday gifts any more are books. About as
much fun as raincoats (and, lest I offend anyone who is "into"
raincoats, please remember, I'm talking about little kids here).
Nathan has a library already that rivals sections of my own. Kids
should get some fun stuff - perhaps even things that their parents
wouldn't normally give them. Of course, I still want to kill the
parent who gave goldfish as a party favor - we're giving their kid a
scorpion for his next birthday.
Msg #34576 Dated 23:01:54 02-23-92 34565 <--> 34639
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: MAGIC IN LAKE TAHOE
Stan Allen does a pretty nice list in M A G I C magazine. Since we
have no reporters or staff, it is kinda hard for us to put one together
on a regular basis. But in general on here people have asked for info
like that and have generally gotten pretty good answers from locals or
from those in the know.
Msg #34578 Dated 23:07:55 02-23-92 -> 34640
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: MESSAGES
Ee;34372
Holy cow... I split for a couple of days and get back to TWO HUNERT
MESSAGES... TWO HUNERT... (note to software wizzes... is there a
program I can get to FILETER out Paglia references? Or what?
Msg #34579 Dated 23:08:01 02-23-92 34384 <--> 35050
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: FARE TO SLC FROM LAX OR O
Jus' need a faster choo choo... 2 days to SLC... ARGH...
Msg #34580 Dated 23:08:04 02-23-92 34388 <--> 34581
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
BRUSSELS in the square... be there or be square...
Msg #34581 Dated 23:08:07 02-23-92 34389 <--> 34598
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Just burst in saying, "janitor"....
Msg #34582 Dated 23:08:10 02-23-92 34392 <--> 34596
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I requires practice!
Msg #34583 Dated 23:08:13 02-23-92 34397 <--> 34589
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Dreams of moving farther up the food chain.
Msg #34584 Dated 23:08:16 02-23-92 34405 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: MIKE CLOSE ADR AND PHONE
Doc... will send close's address to you next logon... (unless I
read it on here from someone else first!) Got your letter about
the other REG, no problemo, Dude... adios...
Msg #34586 Dated 23:08:31 02-23-92 34415 <--> 34778
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: FUNNY THING... PART II!
Someone had one at the Jongleurs auction the other night. Might
show up at the OMC swap meet coming soon... It came from Sanada,
in Japan... Sorry not sure how to find. Yoshida is in Hawaii.
Msg #34589 Dated 23:09:13 02-23-92 34422 <--> 34603
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
remember... "It's better to look good than feel good"...
Msg #34590 Dated 23:09:16 02-23-92 34426 <--> 34631
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CRICHTON
Weber read this stuff... tskk.... no cayonnes to reply???
.
Clifton situation was in the 50s at a gathering in San Francisco or
Oakland... I think an SAM, as Lloyd Jones was involved... but not
one of the perpetrators... tho someone should have come to his
rescue... (he would have told them to forget it anyway...) This
was during my Hiatus and I was not there.
Msg #34591 Dated 23:09:24 02-23-92 34427 <--> 34610
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
MY LAST COMMENT ON THE STEVENS ISSUE: I don't agree with the
wording... OR THE PREMISE... but it is JOE'S PRIVATE CONVENTION
and if he wants to give a SEGMENT a discount that is his biz...
.
He might only feel that a female with a male magician is ALL HE
WANTS TO HONOR... I don't really know. I will ask him.
.
Frankly... I THINK ANYBODY regardless, unless they are deaf and
blind SHOULD PAY THE SAME PRICE. "It's only my opinion!"
.
If anyone disagrees. Fine. We all get our own free thinking at no
extra charge! If, as I had heard, you are only interested in going
to the backstage tour... did you sk Joe if there was a ONE DAY
price?
Msg #34592 Dated 23:09:39 02-23-92 34433 <--> 34609
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
You left out one of the all time greats... Ringo (Ringle?)
Msg #34593 Dated 23:07:36 02-23-92 -> 34638
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: CASTLE THIS WEEK
I just noticed that "The Magic Of Les & Terri" is featured this week in
the Palace showroom at the Castle. Les & Terri are this year's S.A.M.
winners, they placed second at I.B.M., and were a big hit, as reported
by Barry Gittleson, in Hawaii last week (their home state). You may
want to make a special trip (assuming you live near L.A.) to see them.
Msg #34594 Dated 23:09:42 02-23-92 34436 <--> 34595
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
I thought the DYLAN segment on Letterman's Anniv. was PURE MAGIC.
THE ELECTRICITY THE POWER WAS AWESOME. OK you couldn't understand
all the words... that, I AM SURE, is his intention... but whta
a backup group. AWESOME... SORRY YOU LOSE ON THAT...
Msg #34595 Dated 23:09:47 02-23-92 34437 <--> 34820
From: PETE BIRO
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
I pick the same stuff if it is made in usa... sorry, You are now
TWO STRIKES... be careful
Msg #34596 Dated 23:09:51 02-23-92 34448 <--> 34597
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I do a rope routine that is like this: Magician (that's me) picks
up a piece of rope.... STARES at the center... it EXPLODES -- flash
bang smoke... (THE CENTER) and I have now two pieces of rope, one
in each hand.
.
I then throw the two pieces in the air (when I can TO SOMEONE) and
when they get it or it lands... it is restored. CLEAN AND QUICK.
.
I also do other tricksbut that is the strongest magically.
.
YES (to those of you with lots of knowledge) it IS slightly related
to the Bill Neff idea. My gaff costs almost $200 tho....
Msg #34597 Dated 23:10:04 02-23-92 34452 <--> 34606
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I got that cig trick and hope to develope it.
Msg #34598 Dated 23:10:08 02-23-92 34453 <--> 34599
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
If they are so hung up that an "outsider" is limited in what to
buy... BUY NOTHING AND TELL THEM TO "LIGHTEN UP"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Msg #34599 Dated 23:10:12 02-23-92 34456 <--> 34600
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
iT TOOK ME A YEAR TO GET TO 2
Msg #34600 Dated 23:10:15 02-23-92 34462 <--> 34602
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
harry and friends are working the Comedy Magic Club in Hermose
Monday night... sorry I had to fly home tonite and could not stick
... but this darn day job... the need to pay rent sucks!
Msg #34601 Dated 23:10:20 02-23-92 34464 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT
None of it is done by the Escape Artist (?) SB
Msg #34602 Dated 23:10:23 02-23-92 34465 <--> 34613
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
You are assuming a lot... some people can't even look at the
pitchers... or don't that is
Msg #34603 Dated 23:10:27 02-23-92 34466 <--> 34616
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Don't tell her she looks "Pretty" tell her she looks "Wonderful"
Msg #34604 Dated 23:10:30 02-23-92 34470 <--> 34620
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DINNER
TRD is big time... but their drivers suck... Sat. nite one Toyota
racer RAMMED the other... they were running one-two, and the one
that got hit did not finish the race. The hitter was Disqualified.
NO POINTS NO $$$ -- dumb... Then in the final race the guy that
was hit... rammed the Ford guy, who was leading, knocked him over
the wall... went on to win and was not penalized... was a big
stink over that. I was more than upset and very vocal about it.
Will KILL IN MY ARTICLE!
Msg #34605 Dated 23:10:40 02-23-92 34496 <--> 35818
From: PETE BIRO
To: GENO MUNARI (X)
Re: MELINDA-FIRST LADY OF MAG
i AM coming to VEGAS March 12 will be at Gold Coast. Will maybe
want to bring some dudes to see Melinda show... be in tuch
Msg #34606 Dated 23:10:43 02-23-92 34505 <--> 34607
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Copperfield IS COPIED. There is as clone in Sweden, move for move,
look for look, trick for trick. ARgh... I have seen A LOT OF YOUNG
DUDES do segments trying to be Dave! Tsk.
Msg #34607 Dated 23:10:48 02-23-92 34512 <--> 34608
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
At FISM in Lausanne, the Close Up WINNER did one trick. A rope
trick! Hah.... (I voted NO, but the rest of the judges musta really
liked the dude)!!!!!!!!
Msg #34608 Dated 23:10:53 02-23-92 34514 <--> 34615
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Jeff is great. One of the good uns... I have seen him do some
serious acting on TV Dramas and he was excellent... Nice dude too.
Msg #34609 Dated 23:10:57 02-23-92 34524 <--> 34703
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
It WAS Bob Sheets... he uses two names and moves around a lot and
very fast... Sheets was working some private parties Sat. at the
Castle and I understand the day befo in San Diego...
Msg #34610 Dated 23:11:02 02-23-92 34555 <--> 34612
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Is Shalom the gal that was at Nashville? SHE WAS COLLOSSAL!!!
WHAT A TALENT..... AND I TOLD HER SO... is she coming to DMS???
Msg #34611 Dated 23:12:58 02-23-92
From: PETE BIRO
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: CLOSE'D
Mike Close: 11320 Haverstick Rd., Carmel, IN 46032 (317) 848-3503
Mike OCCASSIONALY logs on here, but usually too busy.... adios...
Msg #34612 Dated 23:13:54 02-23-92 34591 <--> 34619
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
I did and the response I got was that he didn't like the idea of my
coming for just one day and would rather save the space for someone
else. I found this to be rather strange, because it is my opinion that
if you pay the registration, what difference does it make if you come
for the entire seminar or ten minutes? It's your money, isn't it?
Frankly, I agree that there should be a flat fee for all, male, female,
deaf, dumb, blind, straight, gay, black, white, and purple with yellow
stripes, for God's sake! Are they THAT afraid that a non-magician
might show up and actually LEARN something? Case in point: I brought
a co-worker of mine, interested in magic to an I.B.M. ring meeting.
They showed a card video and at the end, each effect was explained in
great detail. Sandra sat there and watched the entire video. On the
way home, she turned to me and saud "That was interesting, but I had NO
IDEA what he was talking about!" I would love to see the following
payment structure at one of David Copperfield's shows:
People who have no idea what the hell is going on - $50
People who have a vague idea of what is happening - $40
People who really DO know what is going on - $30
Magicians who don't know David - $20
Magicians who DO know David - $10
Sleezy broads who want to see David's "magic wand" - $5
Anybody else - forget it.
Now wouldn't THAT cause a stir!
Stacey...
Msg #34613 Dated 23:34:09 02-23-92 34581 <--> 34614
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
RE: "Just burst in saying, "Janitor" . . .
Yeah, I'll have to try that. A few months ago, on here, Max said that
he was the only person who had performed in _every_ room in the Castle.
Now that he has described the statue in detail, I must say that I
believe him totally.
Msg #34614 Dated 23:36:56 02-23-92 34598 <--> 34643
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
It is our social mores, Pete. You can buy a boy any macho stuff you
want, but you no longer can tell what to buy a girl. We bought Nathan
a play vaccum cleaner, but we would hesitate to buy one for someone'
elses girl. Weird - too weird.
Msg #34615 Dated 23:39:43 02-23-92 34597 <--> 34626
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Which cig trick did you get, Biro - the cig thru quarter or the
floating cig to mouth?
Msg #34616 Dated 23:40:58 02-23-92 34583 <--> 34618
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Yeah, dreams of moving farther up the food chain. Not bad, Pete, not
bad at all.
Msg #34618 Dated 23:41:39 02-23-92 34603 <--> 34628
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Er, didn't Max, in Parallax, say we weren't supposed to say
"Wonderful"? Or did that just cover "Wonder." Guess I'll have to go
look it up.
Msg #34619 Dated 23:45:25 02-23-92 34591 <--> 34629
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
If you are goin' back to Joe with info -- I have always regarded his
idea that a non-magician accompanying a mage should get a price break
as a good one. I never did care much for the wording, but felt that
the idea of a reduced rate for a spouse, significant other (whatever)
was a good one and that it was fair. I, for one, would NOT like to see
him discontinue the concept.
Msg #34620 Dated 23:49:49 02-23-92 34604 <--> 34647
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DINNER
Maybe the Toyota mess occurred because the Chief Engineer was having
dinner with me? Could be that they are using robot drivers and that he
wasn't there to tinker with the works?
Msg #34621 Dated 23:42:29 02-23-92 -> 34648
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: WHAT A WOMAN CAN DO
Well, guys, I am just a WOMAN but I think I did something pretty neat
and I want to share it. Besides being on of THEM, I am also a writer
as David Copperfield can tell you. I wrote apoem for him a long time
ago and he liked it. Recently there was a poetry contest and for want
of something better to do, I shortened the poem I wrote for David,
added a few new lines and sent it in. I didn't expect much, after all
WOMEN can't do anything right. Well, yesterday I received a check in
the mail that will buy me some new magic, and my poem is being
published in a new book "The Best Poems of the '90s". So I thought I
would share it with all of you:
THE GREATEST ILLUSION
As every performer of magic should know
The greatest illusion comes after the show
Without silk or rabbit. without wand or dove
The greatest illusion is unselfish love
Take the laughter of children, the song of the lark
The sparkle of fireflies just after dark
All the colors of the rainbow, the dew on a rose
Warm summer sand as it sifts through your toes
The moon as it glitters on new fallen snow
The joy of watching a new baby grow
The sweetness of finding your one true love
The echoing call of the mourning dove
Keep all of these images locked in your heart
And from this true magic, never depart
For the greates illusion is found on no shelf
It's the magic one gives when he gives of himself
Msg #34622 Dated 23:50:46 02-23-92 -> 34770
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: POETRY
Hope you liked the poem. It took first place in the nationals, after
winning a San Diego and West Coast competition. It was written from my
heart. It's the way I see magic.
Love to all...Stace
Msg #34626 Dated 1:37:37 02-24-92 34506 <--> 34699
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
The bizarre approach certainly has many theatrical possibilities -- but
it is only one of many possible approaches beyond the "I'm smart,
you're stupid, I'll do it again, I'm still smart, you're still stupid"
way that magic is often presented -- consciously or subconsciously.
Msg #34628 Dated 1:53:00 02-24-92 34568 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Not from where I sit...
Msg #34629 Dated 1:57:46 02-24-92 34591 <--> 34630
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
It may be your last word, but -- it isn't "Joe's private convention."
He can't legally make those kinds of restrictions, I am pretty sure.
If he had a private club/organization, and the convention was only for
members, maybe -- but when you are selling something in the public
arena there are certain things you can't do -- and discrimination,
intended or otherwise, is one of them.
Msg #34630 Dated 2:01:43 02-24-92 34612 <--> 34632
From: T A WATERS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
I think your fee structure for DC's show is a great idea -- except I
would reverse the prices...
Msg #34631 Dated 2:03:52 02-24-92 34590 <--> 34652
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRICHTON
In the 70s I went to one Oakland Magic Circle meeting; someone was
lecturing on comedy and telling what he thought were jokes -- I could
feel my skin beginning to flake off. Didn't seem at that time to be
the swiftest group in the world, but they may have changed...
Msg #34632 Dated 7:02:17 02-24-92 34630 <--> 34642
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
That might prove interesting as well! But how would we price Sigfried
and Roy - there's TWO of them. Buy one, get one free? Ditto the
Pendragons. But Char is (GASP!) a FEMALE! Get's confusing doesn't it?
Msg #34636 Dated 7:24:22 02-24-92 -> 34654
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HOW OLD IS OLD?
Okay, since you claim to be ten years older than God and four years
older than dirt, maybe you can help me with some historical stuff. I
am particularly interested in an effect performed by Hermann called
"Noah's Ark" - the effect, how it was performed, the history of it,
etc. Can you help?
Msg #34637 Dated 7:26:44 02-24-92 -> 34655
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: COPPERFIELD
Looking for someone who can discuss Copperfield in an intelligent and
unbiased manner. Anybody?
Msg #34638 Dated 7:34:43 02-24-92 34593 <--> 34656
From: MIKE KING
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CASTLE THIS WEEK
Sounds great! Also Ed Alonzo is introducing a really great new
illusion he has had in development for quite some time. Should be
great. I'm helping him move things in today and will be backstage
tonight helping. Should be a great week for the Palace O' Mystery.
Msg #34639 Dated 7:42:41 02-24-92 34565 <-
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: MAGIC IN LAKE TAHOE
I LOVE that idea! Stan Allen currently has a feature in MAGIC that
lists who's playing where.ut I think it would be great for us and for
our fellow magic to plug shows and events in our hometowns. People DO
travel and I for one love to see local talent as well.
Msg #34640 Dated 7:45:25 02-24-92 34578 <--> 34657
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MESSAGES
How'd ja like Sanny Ego?
Msg #34641 Dated 7:46:02 02-24-92 -> 34663
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: FARES TO SLC
To clear up some of the confusion over the fares to , as the President
of the Magicians Travel Network, the fares I listed were PROMOTIONAL
through MTN ONLY. Don't call America West to find these fares - they
won't know what you're talking about. I am able to give discounts on
fares through a SPECIAL that I worked out, using a promotion on
Continental and it is shared with America West. If you will look in
the April issue of MAGIC magazine you will see a coupon good for $100
towards your next trip. Using this coupon, I based the fare on what is
CURRENTLY being offered as base fare from America West. These fares
are NOT written in stone. I cannot predict the airlines any more than
I can fly to the moon (I'll let Copperfield do that one!). Just wanted
to clear up any misunderstand.
Msg #34642 Dated 8:11:46 02-24-92 34612 <--> 34646
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Since I don't fall into any of the categories.... uh.... I guess
that is why I am always comped.
Msg #34643 Dated 8:11:50 02-24-92 34613 <--> 34644
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I was going to (this was when I thought working there was cool)
work EVERY ROOM EVERY SHOW EVERY NIGHT FOR A WEEK.
.
People could come in from one show to another and I would already
be there working... hah...
.
I understand Mike Skinner did a week once in the close up gallery
without repeating a trick.
Msg #34644 Dated 8:11:59 02-24-92 34614 <--> 34645
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Wait... I thought Nathan was a boy....
Msg #34645 Dated 8:12:02 02-24-92 34614 <--> 34664
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Does this mean "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" has gone the
way of all other good old sayings?
Msg #34646 Dated 8:12:06 02-24-92 34619 <--> 34650
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Actually I now think a non magician should stay at the slot machines
fooey on 'em... LESS people at more money... RIGHT???
Msg #34647 Dated 8:12:10 02-24-92 34620 <--> 34667
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DINNER
Robots would not crash into one another!
Msg #34648 Dated 8:12:12 02-24-92 34621 <--> 34677
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: WHAT A WOMAN CAN DO
If the poem wasn't so good I was going to write a dumb reply.
.
NICE!
Msg #34650 Dated 8:12:21 02-24-92 34629 <--> 34651
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Will see what Jose has to say later today or tomorrow....
Msg #34651 Dated 8:12:24 02-24-92 34630 <--> 34653
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
I thought the price structure was backwoids. Peotic justice?
Msg #34652 Dated 8:12:27 02-24-92 34631 <--> 34700
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CRICHTON
They have slowed down.
Msg #34653 Dated 8:12:29 02-24-92 34632 <--> 34660
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Why is it confusing? Lets stope using "female" "woman" etc. when
talking about a magician. Just say magician. Who cares.
.
Like if a mage is black, no need to say Black Magician... that's
what keeps the whatever it is going in the wrong direction.
.
I remember when a buddy of mine (OK, I gotta say a Black Buddy or
the line won't make sense)... said, "Things ARE progressing,
people are starting to call me a son of a bi**h instead of a
N*GG*R!"
Msg #34654 Dated 8:2:40 02-24-92 34636 <--> 34710
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HOW OLD IS OLD?
You will have to wait 40 days (less the No. of Rain Days you just
had, of course)...
Msg #34655 Dated 8:12:44 02-24-92 34637 <--> 34711
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
You missed the long discussions we had a few months ago.
.
OK, start the thread... what do you want to talk about?
Msg #34656 Dated 8:12:49 02-24-92 34638 <--> 34659
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: CASTLE THIS WEEK
We expect an unbiased revue...
Msg #34657 Dated 8:12:51 02-24-92 34640 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MESSAGES
It was nice as always.... but when you are at the Town and Country
it is almost as hard to find your roomas it is to find a place
to park!
Msg #34658 Dated 8:13:00 02-24-92 -> 34668
From: PETE BIRO
To: ALL
Re: NO MAGI ONLINE?
OK, where are the people here intrested in magic? I put a spectacular
teasG
tease of a great trick on last night and nobody asked about it. I am
not happy about this... sorry folks... argh... grrrr foooo bye forever
Msg #34659 Dated 8:15:51 02-24-92 34656 <--> 34662
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE THIS WEEK
Is there such a thing? Not according to my News writing teacher in
college. But I will try. How's it going, Pete? Haven't heard from
you in awhile. Hope all's well. Take care. MIKE.
Msg #34660 Dated 9:12:07 02-24-92 34646 <--> 34701
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
WRONG!!! Anita enjoys the shows, but doesn't attend the lectures (nor
does she usually attend the Ladies' Event), but the two tiered pricing
does permit her access to the parts of the Seminar that she does like,
it encourages her to be involved with magic, and strengthens our
family's magical cohesiveness. I assume that it could do the same for
any couple, regardless of their genetic, sex, or gender composition.
The real problem in this case is not gender discrimination, it is _AGE_
discrimination! Work Joe over about Nathan! He's really looking
forward to Desert Magic and I haven't told him yet that he is not going
to be allowed to attend (he has an offer to be in one of the shows, if
that helps).
Msg #34662 Dated 9:26:33 02-24-92 34638 <--> 34728
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: CASTLE THIS WEEK
And this particular week is not one in which I can get to the Castle to
see any of this. Maybe on the weekend, if I'm real lucky.
Msg #34663 Dated 9:28:01 02-24-92 34641 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: FARES TO SLC
Can we duplicate the coupon here on MAGIC!? I assume that the special
deal that MTN has created is good for MAGIC! members.
Msg #34664 Dated 9:29:08 02-24-92 34643 <--> 34665
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I really like your idea of working the three major rooms at the Castle
(Close-Up, Parlour, & Palace) all in the same week. Especially if you
had the hosts introduce you as a different person in each room. Of
course, you'd probably only get paid one fee.
Msg #34665 Dated 9:31:31 02-24-92 34644 <--> 34666
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Nathan is a boy and I thought my sentance structure was pretty clear.
So just sit back, relax, and melt another teakettle.
Msg #34666 Dated 9:33:04 02-24-92 34645 <--> 34698
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILL PAGLIA
Yep. The gift structure in the toddler and pre-school set is very
complex. Nathan has Crane's Notepaper for his social correspondence.
(Seriously).
Msg #34667 Dated 9:34:43 02-24-92 34647 <--> 34732
From:DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DINNER
One of the funniest things I've seen with robots was at the now defunct
GM plant in Van Nuys. They had a gang of about 8 robot welders doing
door frames and 2 robots (one on each side) at the end doing
inspections. I wondered what would happen if one of the welding robots
messed up - would the inspection robot fire him?
Msg #34668 Dated 9:37:11 02-24-92 34658 <--> 34712
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NO MAGI ONLINE?
I saw your tease on the trick, but aren't you aware that teasing is now
against the law? It is a form of harrassment. You gotta publish the
whole thing.
Msg #34669 Dated 10:15:27 02-24-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
MAGIC!-NL Sun 23 Feb 92 15:54
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Hello Birokind,
I am currently writing, and it is progressing nicely. I do not
know how many pages I've got so far, I do not print it out all
the time. Also, the theory, hard to write and when I write one
piece there
suggests itself one or more other subjects. It overwhelmes a bit
at times, there are so many little things to explain. I suppose
it will be quite a task for Stephen Minch too, to refine my
writings!
Actually, some discussions here on the board, give me subjects
too. Some things I do not see as problems at all, and yet, it
turns out that certain thoughts, which I feel as so logical that
they do not deserve mentioning in the book, are not so logical to
others, and so may be I should mention my thoughts on some of
those things as well. ---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
Msg #34670 Dated 10:15:37 02-24-92
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
MAGIC!-NL Sun 23 Feb 92 17:55
Tommy Wonder posted the following msg:
Well said Max!
---
* Origin: MAGIC!-NL, Home of the wizards, (31)-23-388725 (0:0/0)
---
Msg #34676 Dated 11:25:17 02-24-92
From: BRUCE SANDERCOCK
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: FARES TO SLC
Sorry I asked!
Msg #34677 Dated 14:31:47 02-24-92 34621 <--> 34707
From: MANNY WELTMAN
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: WHAT A WOMAN CAN DO
But then theres the illusion that your happy as can be.
But with Presedent Bush were all up a tree! 8-) He, he.
Msg #34684 Dated 18:27:08 02-24-92 -> 34688
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: FARES TO SLC AND EVERYWHE
The promotional coupon is available to every member of MAGIC! There is
no need to duplicate the coupon here or to send it in. Merely mention
MAGIC! and it is yours when upi call. The MTN number, once again is
1-800-749-5520. As I stated before, the contract I have with the
airlines (America West, Continental and TWA) is of my own doing and
available through MTN for the magic community. It is my committment to
provide the very best personalized service I can. Also, one thing to
remember is this: the ticket that I sell you through MTN is ticketied
at the lowest fare AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE. Should the fares go DOWN,
I can refund the difference to you immediately, because through your
membership I track your PNR (personal name record) until you have
flown. The airlines doesn't give a rats ass if the fare goes down or
not. They will NOT call you, simply because they sell too many tickets
to do so. They leave this strictly up to the consumer. IF you choose
to buy your ticket from the airlines and the fare goes down afetr you
purchase it, you have 24 HOURS after the fare goes down to bring it TO
THE AIRLINES (NOT a travel agent) for a refund of the difference. I am
NOT trying to sell you a bill of goods, here. Only trying to give you
your options. MTN works, because I CARE about all of you and don't
want to see you spend money you don't have to. That's my promise to
all of you.
Msg #34685 Dated 18:37:55 02-24-92
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGICIANS
You're right Pete. A magician SHOULD be just a magician, male or
female. I am working at magic just as hard as any of you to promote
it, to learn it, to appreciate it for what it is. The longer we
stereotype, the farther we regress. I am through with this thread on
women vs. men. There must be other things to talk about.
Msg #34687 Dated 19:02:05 02-24-92 -> 34689
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: ATLANTA
David,
The restaurant in Atlanta is Dante's Down the Hatch.
It is definitely in the Underground and is also still
listed in the phone book on Peachtree. I dined at the
one on Peachtree and therefore can't vouch for the
ambience of the one downtown. I'd call and check
before deciding between them.
-- Steve Bryant
Msg #34688 Dated 19:05:58 02-24-92 34684 <--> 34693
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: FARES TO SLC AND EVERYWHE
Great, Stacey! And, as you know, I've already used your service and
you saved me mucho dinero. I am working out my March - April travel
plans now and will let you know about
'em soon.
Msg #34689 Dated 19:08:14 02-24-92 34687 <--> 34774
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: ATLANTA
THANKS for the info on the Atlanta resturant, Steve! Will probably be
back there again in March/April on my way to South Carolina and may be
able to give it a shot. Will ask if they still have fondue and
alligators.
Msg #34691 Dated 19:16:03 02-24-92 -> 34736
From: TERRY LOVE
To: ALL
Re: MAGIC
First, does anyone know if Melinda is doing the same show at the Sahara
as she did at the Sands? And is Lance's show really as good as they say
it is? To Chuck Rubey- Are you out here? If not, I'll catch you on
Prodigy. One last thing-is David's flying plexiglasss box Barclay
Shaw's plexiglass floating illusion? Any help on these subjects would
be appreciated!!!
Msg #34693 Dated 19:57:34 02-24-92 34688 <--> 34773
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: FARES TO SLC AND EVERYWHE
Terrific! Glad I could help! That's what I'm here for.
Msg #34696 Dated 20:12:19 02-24-92 34527 <--> 35052
From: CY KELLER
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
I give almost everyone books. This Christmas I gave a grand-
daughter a magic kit. I'll have to check on how she's doing.
She's about 7.
Msg #34697 Dated 20:12:26 02-24-92 34559 <--> 34715
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (YSOP) (X)
Re: I'M FLYING INTO LA ON WED
Read a lot of reviews and interviews. Could be rash judgement,
but I think I know her pretty well. Isn't the perversion quote a
form of bashing?
Msg #34698 Dated 20:12:33 02-24-92 34567 <--> 34716
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Thanks for the information on Sofonisba. There are a bunch of
women artists in France when the impressionists were working.
Mary Cassatt, for instance. Andrew Wyeth has a sister who, of
course is the aunt of Jamey and the daughter of N.C. She is only
known in her area of the cuntry.
.
The portrait of Roosevelt on the dime was done by a woman.
.
In industry, the cotton gin was invented by a Mrs. Green, not Eli
Whitney.
Msg #34699 Dated 20:12:48 02-24-92 34574 <--> 34702
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Interesting ideas on walk-around. I guess I'll have to find
a way to do.
Msg #34700 Dated 20:12:54 02-24-92 34590 <--> 34737
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CRICHTON
Pete - it's COJONES I think.
Msg #34701 Dated 20:12:59 02-24-92 34591 <--> 34704
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Pete - see my message on "companion". The non-magician companion
would not be able to attend lectures or other events only a
magician should see.
Msg #34702 Dated 20:13:07 02-24-92 34596 <--> 34709
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
OK Pete - The Orginal ropes are held together by a magnet. A
flash is produced with a Corneilus gimmick. The Neff routine uses
a strong expensive pull. You throw the rope to a stooge. OK?
Msg #34703 Dated 20:13:14 02-24-92 34609 <--> 34740
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Bob Sheets sure gets around a lot. Since both he and J.C. worked
together and also with Heba Haba Al, I'm sure the style is
originaly Al's
Msg #34704 Dated 20:13:21 02-24-92 34610 <--> 34705
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Shalom is a 37 year old male eye doctor. Sorry!!
Msg #34705 Dated 20:13:27 02-24-92 34612 <--> 34729
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Stacey - I took my main squeeze to a lecture where there were
Elmsley Counts, double lifts, Balducci wallets and God knows what
else. She sure didn't understand a lot. Very funny payment
structure.
Msg #34707 Dated 20:13:42 02-24-92 34621 <--> 34734
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: WHAT A WOMAN CAN DO
I'm not a fan of rhyming couplets, but that's a great poem!!
Great images!!!
Msg #34709 Dated 20:13:55 02-24-92 34626 <--> 34717
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Hate the bizarre approach. It takes a lot of suspension of
disbelief. The "I'm smart" approach has to be tempered with a bit of
modesty. It's all in the style.
Msg #34710 Dated 20:14:02 02-24-92 34636 <--> 34743
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: HOW OLD IS OLD?
If you are serious about Noah's Ark here's
.
Ark shaped horizontal cabinet. Shown empty. Animals produced,
followed by assistant (female of course). Invented by Ernest
Thorn. Shown first by A. Hermann circa 1984. Performed by
Powell, Hertz, Le Roy, Raymond, Adlaide Hermann and Dante.
.
I'm sorry to say the above information is not from age but from
Whaley. TA will probably now enter corrections.
.
Age? Someone asked me what I wore during the war. Blue or gray?
Msg #34711 Dated 20:14:18 02-24-92 34637 <--> 34744
From: CY KELLER
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I'll start on Copperfield. There is too much dancing around the
props. Henning is better with small props (training with Vernon
and Slydini). Some of the patter is too precious. Looks Great. A
tossup as to who looks greater, Copperfield or Burton. On TV -
too close to an ethical problem with some great effects. So
that's a start.
Msg #34712 Dated 20:14:28 02-24-92 34658 <--> 34733
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NO MAGI ONLINE?
Right on the rope trick? Its great!!!!. But what is the reel?
Thornton?
Msg #34715 Dated 20:27:30 02-24-92 34697 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: I'M FLYING INTO LA ON WED
Well, apparently she is notorious for "bashing" darn near everyone! I
think she is trying to tell the history of myth and art as she sees it.
I really haven't gotten into the book yet (it is in my book queue), but
I'm looking forward to it - right after I finish Nelms "Magic and
Showmanship" and Judith Steel's "Seduction's Raging Flames."
Msg #34716 Dated 20:31:45 02-24-92 34698 <--> 34730
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Sheesh! Even after all the cotton gin I've drank, I didn't know it was
invented by a woman. So were windshield wipers.
Msg #34717 Dated 20:32:46 02-24-92 34699 <--> 34739
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
You find a way to do that and you will be a _very_ popular walk around
mage! (As if you weren't already!). Except, of course, with the
bartender's union.
Msg #34721 Dated 21:22:12 02-24-92 33351 <--> 34724
From: STEPHEN OSBORN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
Thank you for all your input. Is there anyother places, preferably in
the San Fernando Valley area?
I enjoy the impromptu type close-up magic, but lately I get so little
time to practice. As I said, I am an electrical engineer and father of
two very active boys (3.5 & 1.5). I am also working on a kids show to
hopefully start doing for birthday parties. My weakest point has got
to be patter. I can do the manipulations, but my creativity of speach
is lacking. ( I know I spelled 'speech' wrong. It word wrapped on me
before I could fix it, and it is not worth editing the line. )
I can at least practice palming and some coin slights at work. It is
quite a challenge to type and classic palm a half. It is getting
better.
One more question. Since I am not a member, and diapers are more
important right now, could someone explain the benifits of being a
Castle member. I understand that membership covers the admission fee
and you are not required to buy dinner there, but what are some of the
other things that make membership special?
Msg #34724 Dated 22:07:22 02-24-92 34721 <--> 34746
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STEPHEN OSBORN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
A good place (resturant) to see magic is the Airtel Plaza, right here
in the S.F. Valley. Call to confirm, but on most Friday nights, Marvyn
Roy performs there. When you make a reservation, you can specifically
ask to have him at your table.
Regular (magician) membership in the Castle also includes the right to
vote, to attend the lectures, to use the library, and to get the
newsletter telling you about what it going on. You can also bring
guests and can send guests by giving them guest cards.
Msg #34728 Dated 23:26:58 02-24-92 34659 <--> 34800
From: PETE BIRO
To: MIKE KING (X)
Re: CASTLE THIS WEEK
Been on the runnnnnnn.... later, dude.... be cool
Msg #34729 Dated 23:27:01 02-24-92 34660 <--> 34738
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
OK... but it may cost me my job!
Msg #34730 Dated 23:27:04 02-24-92 34664 <--> 34731
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
My useal $15,000 a week, yes.
Msg #34731 Dated 23:27:06 02-24-92 34665 <--> 34751
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
I almost did. This one ain't got no whissle or thermostat... its
only a matter of time....
Msg #34732 Dated 23:27:10 02-24-92 34667 <--> 34753
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DINNER
No, cuz the welding robot would SEAL THE INSPECTOR'S LIPS!
Msg #34733 Dated 23:27:13 02-24-92 34668 <--> 34745
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NO MAGI ONLINE?
I did. Those with sufficient magical knowledge have already
figured it out! Na na na...
Msg #34734 Dated 23:27:17 02-24-92 34677 <--> 34777
From: PETE BIRO
To: MANNY WELTMAN (X)
Re: WHAT A WOMAN CAN DO
who is paying for the tree?
Msg #34736 Dated 23:27:32 02-24-92 34691 <--> 34863
From: PETE BIRO
To: TERRY LOVE (X)
Re: MAGIC
Maybe Geno Munari can answer the question about the content of
Melinda's new show. I personally doubt there would have been much
time to change it. Lance Burton's show... to quote laymen I have
brought "Gee, I like this better than Siegfried and Roy's show"...
There would be a resemblance to the Barclay Shaw plexi box, in
that someone floats inside a plexi box... but the EFFECT is very
different. There are those that believe it is too close to the
same... I think they are right, but I don't think the lay audiences
percieve a resemblance. Barclay's is small and horizontal and
is "ASSEMBLED" around the floating woman. It is VERY CLEVER and
one of the best ideas in years. Copperfield's is a large, square
boxlike affair that he "flies into" and the lid is put on and he
continues to gyrate about inside... looking much like a fish in
an huge tank, then he walks upside down on the top while a girl
walks around on the top (outside)... While Inspired, I am sure,
by Barclay's my feeling is that it is different enough.
The handling and actions of the large hoops Copperfield uses
is excellent, and I understand was developed by he and his staff.
It is a very convincing segment...
Msg #34737 Dated 23:27:52 02-24-92 34700 <--> 35055
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: CRICHTON
Bollox said the Queen, if I had 'em I'd be KING...
Msg #34738 Dated 23:27:54 02-24-92 34701 <--> 34741
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
I agree. Joe is as we are thinking here... working on the next ad
copy, I got a fax from Amy tonight and made my recommendations.
.
CHARGE EVERYONE THE SAME PRICE -- DOUBLE FOR COMPLAINERS
Msg #34739 Dated 23:28:00 02-24-92 34702 <--> 34742
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
NO. First the Neff Rope trick, as purchased uses a cheap catgut
pull. I use a Martin Take up Reel -- but a keychain pull back would
work. The rope is set as per the usual way for the Neff and you
enter IN THE PULL (this is an opener or MC way to do it -- I have
other very original ways to use in the middle of a routine)...
.
The rope is PRE cut and you sew in the little devices called "Alarm"
made like a fire cracker with string at each end. Pull the strings
and BAM smoke, noise EXPLOSION.... Then put the ropes back together
with rubber cement.
.
When you jerk the pieces apart the bomb goes off. When you toss
the rope out or up... the short piece goes up the sleeve and you
stretch out the rope so it appears to be the original piece owing
to its length being the same...
.
You toss it out, but it falls short into the orchestra pit (if
there is one) ... if someone catches it and notes the "work"
on the rope (not much is left) it don't matter the other 3,500
in my average audience are baffled.
.
I did this at Tannen's Jubilee once and had 2 very knowledgable
guys come rushing backstage asking me how I switched the rope.
Hah... told them no switch, nothing to find... (OK I lied)!f
but that's ok, I'm a real magician.
.,
Or as Jay Marshall said, when a guy was asked if he was a REAL
GAMBLER, the dude replied, "NO, I'm just a casekeeper!"
Msg #34740 Dated 23:28:28 02-24-92 34703 <--> 34760
From: PET BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Al probably saw me work in 1892.
Msg #34741 Dated 23:28:30 02-24-92 34704 <--> 34749
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Who was the gal at Nashville from your area? I think she was from
Venezuela or Argentina... terrific performer.
Msg #34742 Dated 23:28:34 02-24-92 34709 <--> 34756
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Often, doing close up Improvisational crap.... I like to use the
attitude that "Hey, I don't know how it works either...."
.
Doggone new PRIME TIME for TV here in the WEst... I just missed
Leno's moolog... fooooooeyyy
Msg #34743 Dated 23:28:41 02-24-92 34710 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: HOW OLD IS OLD?
I think I wore a feathered head dress... it was my second lifetime.
Msg #34744 Dated 23:28:43 02-24-92 34711 <--> 34757
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
"Who looks greater, Copperfield or Burton" howcum you left out
Char Pendragon?
Msg #34745 Dated 23:28:47 02-24-92 34712 <--> 34754
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: NO MAGI ONLINE?
Thornton reel is used for Dekolta Card Fountain. I use the Charlie
Miller thread set up, have the reel on a holder inside my jacket.
Cards brought out, riffle force (the threading is hidden by your
handposition) the one card not threaded. Pick up glass, set cards
into glass... say, "YOUR CARD WILL JUMP OUT OF THE DECK"...
Release grip on thread, 51 CARDS fly out of the glass... and ONE
CARD ( the selected one ) is remaining in glass... thread is gone
into reel and you hand the glass with the card in it to the
spectator... ONE OF THE GREAT EFFECTS OF ALL TIME.
Msg #34746 Dated 23:28:57 02-24-92 34721 <--> 35060
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEPHEN OSBORN (X)
Re: NEW ONBOARD
You are asking the wrong guy about where to see magic in So. Calif.,
as I live near San Francisco in Walnut Creek.
.
Benefits of Castle Membership? Lectures, newsletter, ability to
pop in any time (when open) LIBRARY... Am sure others will add to
the list.
Msg #34749 Dated 23:32:44 02-24-92 34729 <--> 34750
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
I don't think it will cost you your job, but you are right - the age
barrier was created by some powerful folks close to Joe (it doesn't
seem o be his own idea). But a young person learns, and develops a
respect for, magic by getting to go to those things, not by beinng told
he can't. This past Sunday we were supposed to take my twin sister to
the Castle for brunch, only we had to meet her in Long Beach instead.
Nathan was really crushed and hated the whole affair because it wasn't
at the Castle. Treated right, he'll be one of Joe's customers into the
year 2100.
Msg #34750 Dated 23:36:01 02-24-92 34738 <--> 34768
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Too bad he is giving up the reduced fee for those who accompany. It is
likely that Anita will not register for next year and will make my life
tough about going.
Msg #34751 Dated 23:36:53 02-24-92 34730 <--> 34752
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
$15,000 a week isn't what I understand that the Castle pays. Besides,
I thought you didn't make over $10,500 a week, even when you chose to
work a full week.
Msg #34752 Dated 23:38:18 02-24-92 34731 <--> 34784
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
Biro - you and them teakettles make me loose sleep. I'm a paranoid
about fire. Never been in one and don't want to be. I have fire
extinguishers in the kitchen, bedroom, and computer room (the computer
room ones are Halon). I loose a lot of sleep when I think of you and
those !@#$% teakettles.
Msg #34753 Dated 23:39:58 02-24-92 34732 <--> 34769
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DINNER
RE: Welding robot sealing inspector's lips!
Now _THAT_ is _FUNNY_!!!!!
Msg #34754 Dated 23:41:34 02-24-92 34745 <--> 34786
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NO MAGI ONLINE?
RE: 51 cards flying out of the glass.
Nice, very nice. My luck, they'd smash me in the face as they were
reeled in.
Msg #34756 Dated 0:03:45 02-25-92 34709 <--> 34761
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Actually, I like the fact the bizarre magick is difficult to present;
weeds out the insincere, not to mention the incompetent. Also, it is
very clearly theater...
Msg #34757 Dated 0:07:28 02-25-92 34637 <--> 34787
From: T A WATERS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
I think the only one who could discuss David in an unbiased manner
would be Data -- and he won't be built for a few centuries yet.
Msg #34758 Dated 0:39:21 02-25-92 -> 34788
From: RICK KITAMURA
To: STACEY
Re: POEM
Thanks for the poem, Stacey. Congratulations on your publication. Since
you seem to be such a Copperfield fan, why don't we all here try to
come up with his next ultimate ilon. I opt for him doing something
intergalactic, pes he should try to do something to the moon. Vanishing
it would be too predictable. Maybe a signed card on the moon via
lasers?
Msg #34759 Dated 0:47:36 02-25-92 -> 34789
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: CARD ON THE MOON
Rick -
You may have a great idea there! (Even if the Moon is _intra_galactic
turf). Moon and Mars missions are now in the early planning stages,
and if someone had the right concept and the right political clout, NOW
would be the time to be planning something.
Msg #34760 Dated 1:03:04 02-25-92 34592 <--> 34763
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
You are aware that his son, Steve is doing shows here in the bay area.
He can sometimes be seen subbing for me at Carlita's. Ringo was one of
my all time favorite oldsters of magic. remember when he was selling
castle passes?
Msg #34761 Dated 1:05:40 02-25-92 34596 <--> 34762
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I hypnotize the rope and then do 'psychic' surgery on it.
Msg #34762 Dated 1:05:41 02-25-92 34626 <--> 34776
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
There was a comedian (I don't remember who) who does a bit on
magicians. He makes something disappear and then says, "I'm a
magician and you are a Jerk !" Seems to sum up the attitude that
many convey.
.
Msg #34763 Dated 1:05:45 02-25-92 34524 <--> 34764
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
It's indeed a real problem. Who can tell who is stealing from whom.
If I knew J.C. and saw Bob perform I would assume that Bob stole
from J.C. when in fact the exact opposite may be the case.
.
If you saw Rich Moratta and his bird doo-doo and then saw Johnnie
Thompson you might think that JT was the thief.
.
If you saw Joycee Beck perform the 'mongolian pop knot' rope routine
and then saw Whit Haydn you might think that Whit stole the routine.
.
Certainly any lay audience is going to get the wrong impression as
they don't really know (or care even) who originated what. They just
wonder why several magicians seem to do the same tricks WITH
EXACTLY the same lines and intonation, etc. If any of these people
then go into magic, they are pre-conditioned that stealing is OK,
since the 'pros' do it to each other, they can too -since no one will
know where the line came from and GET THE BENEFIT OF SOMEONE ELSE'S
WORK - FOR FREE !!
Msg #34764 Dated 1:05:54 02-25-92 34525 <--> 34765
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
The real beauty of that particuliar lecture was that the effect was
a standard (disappearing hank with TT, if I remember correctly) and
the entire emphasis was on developing a performance.
.
Funny thing, I heard some guys complaining about the lecture, "He
didn't show enough tricks", now those guys completely missed the
point. If they wanted tricks the dealer room was full of them -
why bother with a lecture ??
Msg #34765 Dated 1:05:59 02-25-92 34553 <--> 34790
From: JERRY BURTON
To CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
You must be using RDMAGIC and forgot to change the name of your reply
file. All of you replies are on here twice today !
Msg #34768 Dated 1:06:07 02-25-92 34619 <--> 34783
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Pete, if you talk to Joe - how about a 'magician's' registration and
a 'non'magician's' registration - the difference being that the
'magician' fee gets you into everything and the non-magi won't get
you into the lectures (after all the original reason for the discount
was that wifes didn't want to go to the lectures so he gave a discoun
t) if he were to split it this way then gender and relationships have
nothing to do with it - as they shouldn't have in the first place.
.
It also stops the buddy system - he was worried about.
Msg #34769 Dated 1:06:12 02-25-92 34667 <--> 34785
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DINNER
If the system was at all smart (which most industrial systems are
not) the inspector robot would send corrections to the faulty welder
robot so it work not continue to make the mistake.
.
It's called a closed loop system, in that the inspector (typically
a vision system) has some 'feedback' to the blind welder robot,
which is totally position oriented.
Msg #34770 Dated 1:06:17 02-25-92 34622 <--> 34797
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: POETRY
Very nice indeed, but why the 'poor me - a woman' intro. Who needs
that. A nice poem, written by a nice person !
Msg #34773 Dated 1:08:55 02-25-92 34693 <-
From: JERRY BURTON
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: FARES TO SLC AND EVERYWHE
OK - sign me up for a round trip to SLC out of Ontario flying out
as late as possible June 30th - returning July 5 th in the AM.
.
Let me know what you need to make it so. (714) 535-8161.
Msg #34774 Dated 1:08:57 02-25-92 34689 <--> 34798
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ATLANTA
Do you dip the alligators in fondue or what ? I'm not real hip on
Southern food.
Msg #34776 Dated 1:09:03 02-25-92 34756 <--> 34791
From: JERRY BURTON
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Also takes magic out of the 'trick' category and puts it back into
the mysterious atmosphere of the 'spirit' or unknown forces world.
Msg #34777 Dated 1:44:40 02-25-92 34734 <--> 34779
From: MANNY WELTAN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHAT A WOMAN CAN DO
The tax payer. But by then the tree has been cut down anyway.
Msg #34778 Dated 1:53:42 02-25-92 34415 <-
From: JOSEPH SELPH
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: FUNNY THING... PART II!
Don't know if anyone has responded to your request for Jimmy Yoshida's
address and phone number by now, but here is the address I have on file
for him:
James K. Yoshida
99-579 Ulune St.
Aiea, Hawaii 96701
(808) 487-0590
I hope that helps you find what you're looking for!!
Joe
Msg #34779 Dated 2:00:27 02-25-92 34621 <-
From: JOSEPH SELPH
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: WHAT A WOMAN CAN DO
Hey!! I really liked your poem and would like your permission to print
it in the Hollywood I.B.M. Ring 21 newsletter! I am the Prez of the
club and I think the 200+ members and friends on our mailing list would
enjoy it! Whaddya think? Let me know!! Thanks Joe
Msg #34783 Dated 7:41:19 02-25-92 34750 <--> 34796
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
HE IS NOT GIVING UP THE REDUCED FEE.... it is just a possible....
but I doubt seriously if he will make any change. Other than
wording...relax a voo ... A little while ago I hit the wrong key
in XTREE and apparently erased EVERY FILE on my C drive.... argh...
But then when I exited, went into Norton to see what was going
on everything was OK... just a false reading. Whew, I nearly had
a False Heart Attack on that one... Got to be fully awake these
mornings before I start doing anything serious!!
Msg #34784 Dated 7:41:29 02-25-92 34751 <--> 34812
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
That's my Editorial fee. Artistic areas are different. Photography
and Performing are upscale.
Msg #34785 Dated 7:41:32 02-25-92 34753 <--> 34808
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DINNER
I've seen it happen?
Msg #34786 Dated 7:41:35 02-25-92 34754 <--> 34813
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: NO MAGI ONLINE?
They are REELED OUT.... and you are holding the glass and can
aim 'em fella....
Msg #34787 Dated 7:41:39 02-25-92 34757 <--> 35057
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Data is here, but not fully operational. He just wanted to stop off
and visit one of his greater fans.
Msg #34788 Dated 7:41:43 02-25-92 34758 <--> 34900
From: PETE BIRO
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: POEM
I think that having the MAN IN THE MOON wink or smile would be
a cooooool illusion.
Msg #34789 Dated 7:41:46 02-25-92 34759 <--> 34814
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CARD ON THE MOON
A good follow up to the wink... would be to have the Man in the
Moon turn around... so we can see the OTHER SIDE of the Moon...
while David has a JUMBO card chosen... (this way the Moon is not
looking at the card... has back turned, dig?) Then the man in
the moon reveals the card by his favorite method.
.
I will let you think on it for awhile... but Cheese comes into
play here.
Msg #34790 Dated 7:41:56 02-25-92 34760 <--> 34793
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Mike Caldwell used to have some funny lines about him.
Msg #34791 Dated 7:41:58 02-25-92 34761 <--> 34792
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
To each his/her own.
Msg #34792 Dated 7:42:01 02-25-92 34762 <--> 34826
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Jerry Seinfeld. I have worked with him. We opened and closed a
club in one night some time back! Hah... Actually the owner didn't
have a live entertainment permit and got caught.
.
The problemo is this... Jerry works the comedy club circuit (altho
now with his own tv series he has backed off of the clubs) and
after having just viewed over 30 tapes from Magi on the club circuit
I can see why that attitude.
.
Nearly EVERY ONE OF THEM produced a rubber dove, then rolled it up.
.
Nearly EVERY ONE OF THEM did the same lines.
.
Nearly EVERY ONE OF THEM was LOUSY.
.
Nearly EVERY ONE OF THEM would have trouble looking good on a
Dealer Show at a Bolivian Convention.
.
Nearly EVERY ONE OF THEM got a reject letter.
Msg #34793 Dated 7:42:20 02-25-92 34763 <--> 34794
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I coitanly hope Rich Moratta and Joycee Beck have been straightened
out!!!!!!!!
Msg #34794 Dated 7:42:24 02-25-92 34764 <--> 34795
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
YOU HIT IT DUDE.... MAGICALMPKIN ALWAYS SAY "he/she didn't show
enuf tricks" they don't give a whit about what really counts. They
don't know nuttin, honey...
.
There was a recent letter in Stan Allens Magic (the Magazine)
wherein the dude writing it wanted to know why the major conventions
don't have lectures on make up, presentation, thinking, devoloping
routines, tax regs, etc. etc. Well, when we did... the audiences
would get up and walk out.
.
I remember Christian Stelzel (Magic Christian from Austria) lectured
and began with some wonderful card manipulations. And then said,
"YOU CANNOT DO THESE UNLESS CERTAIN MUSCLES IN YOUR FINGERS ARE
DEVELOPED"... he then ran thru some finger excercises... and
they almost booed him outa the place... standing and screaming...
MORE TRICK MORE TRICKS NO MUSCLES NO MUSCLES MORE TRICKS.
.
(OK I am exagerating a bit... but that was the feeling...)
Msg #34795 Dated 7:42:43 02-25-92 34765 <--> 34852
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I like to do that too. Just append the crap out of Magic.Rep...
Msg #34796 Dated 7:42:46 02-25-92 34768 <--> 34806
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
This morning am faxing Joe all the messages pertaining to the
problems (not Joe's just a few who wish a change)
Msg #34797 Dated 7:42:49 02-25-92 34770 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: POETRY
Well you are observant ... I missed the "POOR ME... ref... I get it
she didn't get paid yet... either... I will now start all my
stuff "Poor me... a soon to be homeless... photographer...
Msg #34798 Dated 7:42:54 02-25-92 34774 <--> 34810
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ATLANTA
The Aligators were guests. They wore shoes. Yes, "aligator" shoes.
Msg #34800 Dated 8:21:18 02-25-92 34728 <-
From: MIKE KING
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CASTLE THIS WEEK
Shoooo nuff!
Msg #34806 Dated 9:05:07 02-25-92 34783 <--> 34807
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
ARGH! (tm - Biro) on the C drive! You gotta be careful with them
things! By the way - here is a computer hint for MS-DOS users who have
other people using their computers (or who don't want to make mistakes
of their own) - the FORMAT command is located in an extrnal file (a
part of DOS that is a separate program). You can take FORMAT.EXE _OFF_
of your hard disk and put it on a diskette that you put away. Now your
hard disk is not very likely to get formatted by accident.
Msg #34807 Dated 9:08:08 02-25-92 34796 <--> 34841
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
If you are faxing the messages to Joe you'd better make sure someone
who can do CPR is standing by!
Msg #34808 Dated 9:09:08 02-25-92 34769 <--> 34809
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DINNER
Yep - that was how it worked. Apparently, the system was so smart that
GM closed the plant! I wonder if the robots get unemployment.
Msg #34809 Dated 9:09:57 02-25-92 34785 <--> 34843
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DINNER
Now I'm lost, Biro. You typed "I've seen it happen?" in response to my
comment that your suggestion that the welding robot seal the inspector
robot's lips was funny. You've seen what happen? The robot doing
that? Or that you have sometimes typed something funny? Please
advise.
Msg #34810 Dated 9:12:56 02-25-92 34774 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ATLANTA
I think you toss bits of fondue to the alligators. Alligators is great
folks - I used to work at a radio station in Florida (one of several I
worked at) and the midnight to 6 a.m. shift was done from the
transmitter site out in the swamp. We used to have an alligator who
would growl at you as you walked from the car to the building. Most of
us who worked night out there used to walk with a gun in our hands,
just in case the 'gator forgot about being polite.
Msg #34812 Dated 9:24:36 02-25-92 34784 <--> 35051
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CAMILLE PAGLIA
You are doin' better than I am. Highest fee on my price sheet is $
4,800 a day, but that includes video taping, etc. and nobody ever buys
it (it is actually pretty much intended to keep 'em from doing so).
Best I usually do is $ 1,200 to $ 1,500 a day.
Msg #34813 Dated 9:26:48 02-25-92 34786 <--> 34862
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NO MAGI ONLINE?
Yeah, aim. I'm trying to teach Nathan to do that.
There was a completely different, but very nice, "Cards To Glass" by
Len Sewell. I think it was in Genii in November, 1977. I've got some
mods to it, changing it into a 4-Ace bit.
One "trick" to doing cards in glasses effects is to have the right size
glasses! You can find 'em by taking one of the throw away ad cards
from a deck and carrying it with you, in your wallet, purse or pocket
alla time. When you spot some good looking glasses, you can check 'em
with the card.
Msg #34814 Dated 9:39:35 02-25-92 34789 <--> 34901
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: CARD ON THE MOON
Yeah, great! The JUMBO card could be the size of Nebraska (or Kansas
if Joe wants to supply the props). There really could be a nugget of
an idea for a super-effect here, but getting any stuff secretly sent to
the moon is gonna be Hell. It would _REALLY_ have to pack small and
play big!
Msg #34817 Dated 10:04:25 02-25-92 34279 <--> 34819
From: BILL WELLS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
Your airfares certainly sound good! Are they direct flights or multi
stops/connecting situations?
I will leave you some comments regarding the potential proposal in a
private message as I don't think I should busy up the board with
convention business.
Msg #34819 Dated 10:05:25 02-25-92 34281 <--> 34860
From: BILL WELLS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
I had pretty much stopping attending SAM Assembly 23 and IBM Ring 50
meetings by 1987 except for about once a year. I was active in both
organizations until around 1984 or 1985. I do know Ken Norris and
recall a lady with red hair being with him at magic gatherings. I
must confess that I do not remember her name. Guess I had assumed it
was his wife.
Msg #34820 Dated 10:05:42 02-25-92 34282 <--> 34821
From: BILL WELLS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
The accents and dialects of the area are even richer than when you
lived here. Vietnamese and Hispanic enclaves now fourish in Northern
Virginia and provide additional stronger impact on an already
flourishing international community. Of course, the heavily Afro-
American population of the District adds it own influence to the
surrounding areas. You can hear just about anything around here.
Msg #34821 Dated 10:05:59 02-25-92 34284 <--> 34878
From: BILL WELLS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Christa Seedie is the stop before Pennygone Seedie.
Msg #34822 Dated 10:06:05 02-25-92 34319 <--> 34827
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Biro does everything else to his teakettles. Why shouldn't he
recycle them?
Msg #34823 Dated 10:06:13 02-25-92 34321 <--> 34837
From: BILL WELLS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
It must build your arms up quite a bit carrying around an overhead
projector just to do a card trick. Do you feel projector tricks will
catch on as did packet tricks?
Msg #34826 Dated 10:06:52 02-25-92 34361 <--> 34834
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETEBIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
If the magician exploded as the lace/fuse burned down, the trick
might have possibilities.
Msg #34827 Dated 10:07:00 02-25-92 34362 <--> 34829
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
What schedule? The MAGIC! session? I dunno why it was changed from
5 pm to 9 pm. Ask Joe.
Msg #34828 Dated 10:07:08 02-25-92 34515 <--> 34891
From: BILL WELLS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
Excuse my Ballamere...I guess I favor the French pronouncation. I
would say you guys are still flashing a lot. Seriously, I have some
fond memories of the old Yogie days although I never had the pleasure
of meeting Hen Fetsch, I certainly have enjoying his writings. Does
the Yogie Club still exist? On damp nights, I can still smell
Frank's cigar.
Msg #34829 Dated 10:07:25 02-25-92 34522 <--> 34830
From: BILL WELLS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Cy - I think your compliment to TA somehow got mis-IMPed to me.
Msg #34830 Dated 10:07:31 02-25-92 34254 <--> 34835
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Did Amy say why the switch from 5 pm to 9 am for the MAGIC! session?
Msg #34832 Dated 10:07:44 02-25-92 34257 <--> 34848
From: BILL WELLS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Thanks! I got the FISM tape from Jade and will look at it as soon as
I get a cance. Let me know what you think of the audio tape. I
sent it to Tabby and look forward to what he thinks.
Msg #34834 Dated 10:38:33 02-25-92 34739 <--> 34849
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Pete: We need more messages like this one. Much information and
interesting. Pls keep it up and don't get sidetracked with all that
other stuff all the time.
Msg #34835 Dated 11:07:28 02-25-92 34822 <--> 34836
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
From what I hear, when Biro is finished with a teakettle, there isn't
much left. Maybe he recycles 'em into aluminum foil.
Msg #34836 Dated 11:09:01 02-25-92 34827 <--> 34845
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Er, wait a minute - now I'm totally lost - is the MAGIC! session on
Thursday or Friday? Is it 5 p.m., 5 a.m., 9 p.m. or 9 a.m.??? Gotta
know so we can have fliers ready.
Msg #34837 Dated 11:10:54 02-25-92 34823 <--> 35124
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: MY NOTEBOOK
Overhead projectors ain't too bad - you shoulda seen the tricks I used
to do with multi-media stuff! Once we custom built a set-up for a
meeting room - measured the room, the whole bit. Got to the meeting
and they had moved us from the "Gold Room" to the "Silver Room" next
door. Room set-up was completely different! So we went ahead and set
up in the "Gold Room" anyway, and at about 3 a.m. we SWITCHED names on
the rooms.
Msg #34839 Dated 16:20:50 02-25-92
From: MIKE KING
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: DROPPING IN
Sorry I couldn't get by today, but something came in the way of a job
interview, so...couldn't turn down the chance to work. It's directing
a music video. Things went well, so maybe. Who knows. Maybe
tomorrow? Hope all's well. Did V.J. call Jodi yet? If nnot let me
know and I'll nudge her again. Talk at ya later. MIKE.
Msg #34840 Dated 16:23:49 02-25-92
From: MIKE KING
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: ARE YOU THERE?
Tabman,
Haven't heard from you in a while. How's tricks? Went out and
bought a whole mess of power tools over the weekend and know have the
Mike King Magic and Illusion Building Shoppe (Ha) No kidding have got
a whole garage full, so now I have no excuses to get this thing on the
road. Still want the "good stuff" made by you. But...maybe I can
tackle some of the small things. Like Match pulls and Temple Screens.
Give me a shout. MIKE.
Msg #34841 Dated 17:42:53 02-25-92 34806 <--> 34842
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
I keep the door locked.
Msg #34842 Dated 17:42:55 02-25-92 34807 <--> 34854
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
He laffed. No CPR required.
Msg #34843 Dated 17:42:58 02-25-92 34809 <--> 34856
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DINNER
I've seen it happen... was a dream, dude... a visualization...
after all... percecption is EVERYTHING.... EVERYTHING....
Msg #34845 Dated 17:43:06 02-25-92 34827 <--> 34846
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
I thought it was changed from 5 pm to 9 AYEM, AM... AM....???
Msg #34846 Dated 17:43:09 02-25-92 34830 <--> 34850
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
NOT YET... MEBBE SHE MIS UNDERSTOOD YOU.... WILL CHECK
Msg #34848 Dated 17:43:14 02-25-92 34832 <--> 35129
From: PETE BIRO
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: ODDEST PARAGRAPH?
Will do. Danalin is the Killer on the Soviet tape... what a killer
act...
Msg #34849 Dated 17:43:18 02-25-92 34834 <--> 34867
From: PETE BIRO
To: MARVIN STERN (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
OK... will do mo mojo... but my new 9-5 job is killin' me... got
to get dressed every day now... argh... fooo
Msg #34850 Dated 17:43:22 02-25-92 34835 <--> 34851
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
I make Xmas ornaments out of them... god... do you know I have
NOT YET TAKEN DOWN MY XMAS DECORATIONS IN THE LIVING ROOM....
.
ARghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Msg #34851 Dated 17:43:27 02-25-92 34836 <--> 34857
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
It will NOT BE KNOWN UNTIL TOMORROW WHEN I FAX AMY FOR A REPLAY...
Msg #34852 Dated 17:52:14 02-25-92 34790 <--> 34853
From: SCOTT ALCALAY
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
About Ringo????? DO TELL!
Msg #34854 Dated 18:18:59 02-25-92 34841 <--> 34855
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Keeping the door locked is a good idea! Helps to keep the Windows
(3.0) shut too! Ha!
Msg #34855 Dated 18:19:56 02-25-92 34842 <--> 34880
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Good to hear that Joe is OK after getting the faxe.
Msg #34856 Dated 18:20:28 02-25-92 34843 <--> 34909
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DINNER
Hmmm... Ever since we installed The Burton Crystal Cluster near the
modems and above the CPU, we've been getting reports of strange dreams
from members. You wouldn't believe the one that one of our other
members had! But can't publish it here.
Msg #34857 Dated 18:22:37 02-25-92 34850 <--> 34858
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
You haven't taken down your Xmas decorations yet???!!! We save time
around here - we never put 'em up. Nathan's school is playing catch up
too - last week they did portraits of Abe Lincoln and this week they
are doing Geo. Washington. About the only thing that is now reliably
on time is GENII.
Msg #34858 Dated 18:24:03 02-25-92 34851 <--> 34917
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
OK, let me know the sched. when you get it from Amy. In general, my
faxe machine is on from 10 a.m. to 9 p.m. (Pacific Time) at
818-896-3967, so you can send it on to me if you want to.
Msg #34860 Dated 19:03:09 02-25-92 34817 <--> 34933
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
Bill, need to know approximately how many attendees we're talking about
and whether we are talking domestic fares or domestic AND
international. We can contract with any airlines for fares and I think
Delta or American would work best. I also have some special services
that my agency offers members of the community which I will add to the
package. How soon do you need this? By "community" I meant the Magic
community and not the general public. The MTN is for magicians
exclusively or related fields. I mean, I wouldn't turn down an offer
to do Stephen Spielberg's travel! And Kevin Costner can HAVE the
tickets, my house, my car, my cat, my kids...you get the idea!
Msg #34862 Dated 19:20:56 02-25-92 34658 <--> 34882
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NO MAGI ONLINE?
Don't get your fur in a knot. I'M interested! Well? I'm waiting!
Msg #34863 Dated 19:22:08 02-25-92 34691 <--> 34876
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: TERRY LOVE (X)
Re: MAGIC
Question one - no. Question 2 - better. Question 3 - I dunno.
Question 4 - I don't think so.
Msg #34864 Dated 19:29:20 02-25-92 -> 34935
From: STEVE BRYANT
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NASHVILLE
If I have the spelling right, the dynamite young lady
at Nashville was named Lupe. She said she would be at
the DMS. Hope she still plans to.
Msg #34867 Dated 19:41:57 02-25-92 34849 <--> 34879
From: MARVIN STERN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
With a tie?
Msg #34869 Dated 19:51:57 02-25-92 -> 34898
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
You got THAT right! Not only would I like to hear Data's opinion, but
I'd like a crack at that holodeck too! I'd like to converse with
Houdini.
Msg #34874 Dated 20:12:51 02-25-92 -> 34877
From: STACEY MACKENZIE
To: ALL
Re: DESERT MAGIC
So how many of you can I look forward to seeing at Desert Magic? I am
so excited!
Msg #34876 Dated 20:27:22 02-25-92 34863 <--> 34937
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: TERRY LOVE (X)
Re: MAGIC
Melinda has just moved _from_ the Sahara to the Sands, not the other
way around - the news appeared here on MAGIC! as a _first_ thanks to
Geno Munari. I don't know what her show at the Sands will be like (it
starts March 3rd) but it should be better than it was at the Sahara
since the stage is better. At the Sahara she couldn't do a lot of her
stuff because of the cramped area.
Msg #34877 Dated 20:35:51 02-25-92 34874 <--> 34910
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: DESERT MAGIC
Should be a fair bunch at DMS. I don't know who-all from MAGIC! is
gonna be there either.
Msg #34878 Dated 20:51:11 02-25-92 34595 <--> 34938
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
Thanks for the gender comments. I understand your point. It's
hard to have that atmosphere when you are doing close-up or
platform work. Jade was exciting to watch at IBM in Baltimore.
There is an extra kick in watching a female do card work. Even
enjoy watching female Black Jack dealers. Saw one in Vegas with a
single deck, and wanted to go up and compliment her on her card
handling.
.
Do I take it from your comments that Shalom made contact? He must
have been in his flattering mood to say I'm a person of caliber.
Msg #34879 Dated 20:51:25 02-25-92 34739 <--> 34881
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
No???? Maybe my explanation was too short. So no magnets - rubber
cement. OK. Not Thornton - I should have realized with your
British connectionsk, you'd use a Martins. Is this the one for
the birdcage? Don't know what the Alarm thing is. Howie
Schwarzman does this effect with a holdout. Maybe it is slightly
different, it's been some time. The rubber cement is better than
the magnets if someone gets the rope. Cornelious Flash with
rubber cement would give them nothing to see - much.
Msg #34880 Dated 20:51:38 02-25-92 34741 <--> 34887
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Pete - in message 31174 Steve Bryant mentions Lupe from Panama.
He says she will be at DMS. I worked a show with her once I
think. Bill Wells worked this show and can tell you more about
her.
Msg #34881 Dated 20:51:46 02-25-92 34742 <--> 34883
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I use something like the "I don't know how it works" also. Most
of the time the effect just happens. No magic passes etc.
Msg #34882 Dated 20:51:53 02-25-92 34745 <--> 34934
From: CY KELLER
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: NO MAGI ONLINE?
Hen Fetsch used the reel for the card fountain. I don't think it
belonged to either Hen or Charlie.
Msg #34883 Dated 20:51:59 02-25-92 34756 <--> 34888
From: CY KELLER
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Bizarre magic is hard to present as acting may be more difficult
than magic. I don't like it because I'm one of the inincere. I
hope not one of the incompetent. Sure it is clearly theater, but
dishonest in that it is presented as being actual - not theater.
.
On second thought, performing all the classic moves is difficult.
Msg #34884 Dated 20:52:10 02-25-92 34763 <--> 34885
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I want it clear that I'm not criticising Sheets or Wagner. People
working together often feed on each other. They are both aware,
I'm sure of using the same presentation. The tricks they use are
different - usually. The Copper-silver-brass Routine from Johnson
lists both as creators. The style is an excellent one for
Bartender Magicians.
Msg #34885 Dated 20:52:20 02-25-92 34764 <--> 34886
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Sounds like a great idea for a lecture. Sorry that most attendees
don't understand what is being done.
Msg #34886 Dated 20:52:27 02-25-92 34765 <--> 34895
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I do not use RDMAGIC because I don't understand it. When the
files were going across, line by line, they seemed to stop, so I
started again.
Msg #34887 Dated 20:52:34 02-25-92 34768 <--> 34889
From: CY KELLER
o: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Jerry - That is my point. It is not gender. A non-magician - how
you can tell I don't know - is a travelling companion and should
not be able to attend purely magic functions. I'm sure that many
of the people attending as magicians do know much about the art.
Msg #34888 Dated 20:52:43 02-25-92 34776 <--> 34897
From: CY KELLER
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Jerry - that's the problem. A bizarre performer is trying to
perform a real rite. Enjoyment is not the end. The end is to
engender a conviction of strange powers. More later after
response.
Msg #34889 Dated 20:52:51 02-25-92 34806 <--> 34890
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
There is a better idea on the Format problem with DOS. You use
batch files. Compose a batch file as the following:
Msg #34890 Dated 21:01:54 02-25-92 34806 <--> 34908
From: CY KELLER
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
There is a better idea on the Format problem with DOS. You use
batch files. Compose a batch file as the following:
.
@ECHO OFF
IF "%1"=="" GOTO warning
IF "%1"=="/s" GOTO warning
IF "%1"=="/S" GOTO warning
IF "%1"=="/v" GOTO warning
IF "%1"=="/V" GOTO warning
IF "%1"=="c" GOTO warning2
IF "%1"=="C" GOTO warning2
IF "%1"=="c:" GOTO warning2
IF "%1"=="C:" GOTO warning2
NEWDISK %1 %2 %3/n:9/t:80
GOTO end
:warning
ECHO
ECHO You must specify the drive letter!
ECHO
GOTO end
:warning2
ECHO
ECHO Type NEWDISK C: to format the hard disc
ECHO
:end
Msg #34891 Dated 21:02:27 02-25-92 34828 <--> 34942
From: CY KELLER
To: BILL WELLS (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
We had some great times at Yogi (no "e"). I remember one night I
had someone call out a number and then someone call out the name
of a card. Count to the number and the card was there. Your woman
of the evening was one of the assistants.
.
Another night we had Scotty York, Tim Conover and a lot of other
heavies. I think Schwazman worked too. For others listning in,
the Yogi club was run by Phil Thomas as an adjunct to the Yogi Magic
Mart - his shop.
.
Do miss Frank Thompson's Optimo Sport cigars.
Msg #34897 Dated 22:57:28 02-25-92 34762 <--> 34899
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
You'd think the least they could do would be to say "I'm a magician and
you're ALSO a jerk!"
Msg #34898 Dated 22:58:45 02-25-92 34869 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: COPPERFIELD
Of course the nice thing about the holodeck is that you could talk to
the person you wanted them to be, rather than who they actually were.
Msg #34899 Dated 22:59:37 02-25-92 34883 <--> 34905
From: T A WATERS
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
I think that a lot of writers on the subject THINK it is being
presented as real -- but I give people credit for realizing when they
are seeing a performance. Mind you, this depends on how blatant or
subtle the material is. Done well, it can create a belief -- but I
would think that happens very rarely.
Msg #34900 Dated 23:01:46 02-25-92 34758 <-
From: T A WATERS
To: RICK KITAMURA (X)
Re: POEM
He could do what Geller once said he might try -- bring back one of the
cameras the astronauts left on te moon...
Msg #34901 Dated 23:02:46 02-25-92 34759 <--> 34924
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: CARD ON THE MOON
Right. The alien civilizations discover we have taken card tricks to
other planets and such; if that isn't a motive for space war, I don't
know what is.
Msg #34902 Dated 23:06:27 02-25-92 34793 <--> 34903
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
There was a bit of a bruhah at teh castle when Rich did it the first
time - I heard that Johnny got him to quit doing it immediately. The
wierd thing is why he would have done it in the first place.
.
Regarding Joycee Beck, I'm not sure if Whit has put here straight or
not. I was really shocked that she would do the identical routine in
the parlour. She is better than that.
Msg #34903 Dated 23:06:31 02-25-92 34794 <--> 34904
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Well some of the non-trick lectures can be a bit misleading. I
remember a 'lecture' at DMS a few years ago entitled 'How to Work
Coventions' or 'Inside Conventions' or something like that. It was
billed as the ins and outs of getting magic work at trade show conven
tions. I went and was thoroughly disappointed.
.
Judging by the panel I thought it would be a gold-mine, Karrel Fox,
Mike Rodgers, Roger Klaus, moderated by Stan Allen.
.
I didn't learn a damn thing. It was just a bunch of guys sitting
around telling 'war' stories of their experiences at trade shows.
Stan tried to get them to focus on the issues, but Karrel just
kept telling stories, Roger didn't say much, and Mike tried to
answer the questions.
.
It was obviously an impromptu event and truly missed what it was
billed as.
.
To make up for it Tommy Wonder gave an excellant lecture complete
with theory behind why he did the effects the way he did. He
showed enough 'tricks' to make the 'trick phreques' happy, with a
large helping of theory and philosophy. It was 'Wonder'ful.
.
I guess lectures are a lot like magic shows, you have to see a lot of
'bad' ones to be able to see the 'good' ones. Just like magic there
isn't much in between.
Msg #34904 Dated 23:06:44 02-25-92 34795 <--> 34911
From: JERRY BURTON
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Yea - I've appended MAGIC.REP a few times my self. I force my self
to rename IMMEDIATELY AFTER the upload. That way I don't screw up
as often. I LOVE COMPUTERS x o x o x o x o. :-(
Msg #34905 Dated 23:06:47 02-25-92 34888 <--> 34918
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
You must have a different definition of 'bizarre' magic than I do.
Your definition seems to include a 'rite' which I agree is not enter-
tainment, it is for a special purpose - NOT ENTERTAINMENT.
.
An example of a 'classic' bizarre effect is Andruzzi's 'Blister
Trick' with the proper presentation it is truly mysterious and gets
a great response. There is no 'rite' per se but the effect 'proves'
that 'demons' were present.
Msg #34908 Dated 23:07:05 02-25-92 34887 <--> 34915
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Those that don't know much about the art, go to conventions to
learn more about it. In some cases its the only way they can see
magic outside of a local club environment. Those that want to learn
or ARE magicians pay full fare, those that merely want to come and
see the shows pay less - every body makes out !
Msg #34909 Dated 23:07:09 02-25-92 34808 <--> 34926
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DINNER
No they get moved to the service industry. They mash burgers at
Mc Donalds !
Msg #34910 Dated 23:07:11 02-25-92 34877 <--> 34927
From: JERRY BURTON
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DESERT MAGIC
Let start a list - I'll be at DMS. Driving over Mar 18th. Leaving
at 12 noon - anyone wanting a ride over leave me a msg. I hate
driving alone.
Msg #34911 Dated 23:07:14 02-25-92 34884 <--> 34912
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Even if you work closely with someone and may even be friends - does
that make it right to do the other guys material EXACTLY THE WAY HE
DOES IT ?
.
I don't think so. It takes a long time to develop a presentation that
fits YOU and since no one else is exactly like YOU, they should not
do YOUR material ! Let them develop their own presentation.
Msg #34912 Dated 23:07:18 02-25-92 34885 <--> 34913
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
If you ever have a cahnce to see Hiawatha perform and/or lecture do
so - he really is good in both areas.
.
Really high energy magic theatre.
Msg #34913 Dated 23:07:22 02-25-92 34886 <--> 34914
From: JERRY BURTON
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
I'm in the process of putting together a 'novice' user guide so
everyone can cut their phone costs. Will post a msg (or maybe David
will) once it is uploaded.
Msg #34914 Dated 23:05:04 02-25-92 34763 <--> 34928
From: T A WATERS
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Some of this thinking starts with the printed record. I have actually
been CRITICIZED for pointing out credits on published effects which had
not been provided by the writer -- "...that stuff isn't important, I
have better things to do with my time." People get the idea that magic
just "appears like magic" -- that no one sits down and invents this
stuff. As I have oft said, it is a very small step from not caring who
invented something to NOT CARING HOW YOU GET IT.
Msg #34915 Dated 23:11:30 02-25-92 34783 <--> 34916
From: T A WATERS
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
What single key could you hit in XTree that would do that? Wipedisk?
Msg #34916 Dated 23:12:36 02-25-92 34806 <--> 34919
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
A very simple thing I used for years with the earlier DOS (it will
still work, you just don't need it after 5.0) -- was to change the
name of FORMAT.COM to XFORMAT.COM -- and then make a batch file called
FORMAT that had only one command -- XFORMAT A:
Thus it would be extremely difficult to accidentally format your HD
with this setup.
Msg #34917 Dated 23:20:37 02-25-92 34857 <--> 34932
From: T A WATERS
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
I always thought Nick Charles in THE THIN MAN had the right idea; he
SHOT the ornaments off the tree.
Msg #34918 Dated 23:30:29 02-25-92 34897 <--> 34939
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Interesting that the comment came from a comedian. It always seemed to
me that contemporary comedy only springs from three possible surces:
1) "I'm a jerk."
2) "He's a jerk." (or "She's a jerk.")
3) "You are a jerk."
Msg #34919 Dated 23:34:47 02-25-92 34890 <--> 34920
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Not a bad batch file, Cy, not bad at all. But I still like the plan of
simply taking FORMAT.EXE off of the hard drive.
Msg #34920 Dated 23:37:32 02-25-92 34916 <--> 34930
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Another good suggestion! Gee, we have a whole thread, incidently
called "Restrooms," on how to keep hard drives from being formatted.
That what I like about this group!
Msg #34924 Dated 23:51:22 02-25-92 34901 <--> 34943
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CARD ON THE MOON
I don't know, T. A. I heard a rumor that the other civilizations in
the Universe are dying for good packet tricks. They can hardly wait
for SETI to find them, so that they can start placing orders with
Abbotts. Remember, these are the same folks who are still getting our
50's television shows.
Msg #34926 Dated 23:55:00 02-25-92 34909 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DINNER
These particular robots were probably a shade too intelligent for the
burger business.
Msg #34927 Dated 23:55:39 02-25-92 34910 <--> 34936
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DESERT MAGIC
OK, I plan to be there - will probably be driving over with family, if
we can get any of our cars to work well enough.
Msg #34928 Dated 23:56:47 02-25-92 34852 <--> 34929
From: PETE BIRO
To: SCOTT ALCALAY (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Nothin strong... just a comment bout a seat they used to have at
the Castle that was shaped like a giant Fez with cushions....
.
You had to be there!!!!!!!!
Msg #34930 Dated 23:56:56 02-25-92 34854 <--> 34931
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Any Windows is not welkum here... Working on a MAC today with
Quark Xpress
.
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DUDE.
Msg #34931 Dated 23:57:09 02-25-92 34855 <--> 34947
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Joe is ALWAYS OK...
Msg #34932 Dated 23:57:11 02-25-92 34858 <--> 34952
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
no WILL use MAGIC!
Msg #34933 Dated 23:57:14 02-25-92 34860 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: STACEY IN 25 WORDS OR LES
Costner has been mistaken for me on three occassions now.
Msg #34934 Dated 23:57:17 02-25-92 34862 <--> 34940
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: NO MAGI ONLINE?
Interested in what? I use IMP and you needa refresh memory in a
reply.
.
Can you do good ticket AUSTRALIA, VEGAS, SLC, LAX, AUSTRALIA?
.
Also from Keiv (Russia???) How much for 2 folks?
Msg #34935 Dated 23:57:24 02-25-92 34864 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: STEVE BRYANT (X)
Re: NASHVILLE
That's it LUPE... she charmed the devil outa those that wuz afraid
Maven brought him/her with him.
Msg #34936 Dated 23:57:28 02-25-92 34874 <--> 34948
From: PETE BIRO
To: STACEY MACKENZIE (X)
Re: DESERT MAGIC
At least six hundred?
Msg #34937 Dated 23:57:30 02-25-92 34876 <--> 34955
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: MAGIC
How do you know the stage is better? I think it is still wooden.
Msg #34938 Dated 23:57:33 02-25-92 34878 <--> 35053
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: MONKEYSHINES
NO, was Lupe... my mind was confused...as it often is... ARgh...
Msg #34939 Dated 23:57:36 02-25-92 34879 <--> 34946
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
The "Alarm" is a small cardboard thing about 3/32-inches in diameter
and one inch long with string at each end. You tug the strings and
it goes BANG... like a small firecracker.
.
Actually I don't use the Martin Birdcage pull for this... the
best one is not a take up pull, but a large REEL, type, as in the
original German (Germain explained it) Flying Ring.
Msg #34940 Dated 23:57:44 02-25-92 34882 <--> 35032
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: NO MAGI ONLINE?
No was DeKolta... but the method of threading was written up in
Genii many moons ago by Charlie M. I have seen it elsewhere since.
What he did was work out a way to do it without cutting the little
slits in the cards.
Msg #34941 Dated 23:57:49 02-25-92 34886 <--> 34944
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
RDMAGIC will save a lot of Phone Bill costs... mine has gone from
about $300 a month to under $200
Msg #34942 Dated 23:57:53 02-25-92 34891 <--> 35031
From: PETE BIRO
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: SHOOTING STAR
And FRanks 42 hour master deck
Msg #34943 Dated 23:57:56 02-25-92 34901 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: CARD ON THE MOON
Touche TA
Msg #34944 Dated 23:57:58 02-25-92 34902 <--> 34945
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Whit's rope routine finish "Mongolian Pop Knots" is an excellent,
if not the BEST way to finish that trick that I have seen.
Before that it was the Conway (Pat) handling, which Ken Brooke
marketed and I used. I would love to use Whit's routine -- but in
no way his patter and absolutely NO WAY WOULD I USE THE WORDS
MONGOLIAN or POP KNOTS.... and I would not use the idea of pulling
the knots off like he does UNLESS he gave me 100-percent permission.
.
AND IN NOW WAY, PERMISSION OR NOT... would I ever even think of
doing it in HIS TERRITORY (That includes -- especially -- the
Castle)
.
For the Record: I have just devised a routine with a tamborine for
"The Good Gypsy" if you see it and cop it... prepare to suffer
a curse that will never end! (Not you Jerry specifically, but ALL)!
.
part of that curse includes taking your props IN PUBLIC and
smashing them.
Msg #34945 Dated 23:58:17 02-25-92 34903 <--> 34949
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Wonder is WonderFULL... no doubt... Stan's panel with guys you
describe sounded like a fake lecture with little thought. You should
have seen (heard) Maven, Close, Sisti, Wenk, Mertz at Nashville
on a panel, with ME moderating... I drank a water glass full of
Sippin Whiskey while it was goin' on.... Tabman loved it... someone
overheard guys talking in mens room after saying, "Boy, those guys
were BRUTAL!"
.
We were talkin about stealing material. Practice. How anyone that
is mediocre DARE call themselves a MAGICIAN... ONe guy asked me
for advices. I said, "What are YOUR GOALS?" He said, "To be an
audio visual engineer" so I said something like: "Well then forget
magic. Unless you want to be a great magician forget it. If you
want to be a good magician -- forget it... Do you want to be as
good or better than Copperfield? He didn't know. So I said, then
you obviously don't have the PASSION required... so forget it."
Msg #34946 Dated 23:58:33 02-25-92 34905 <--> 34973
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
When I do the Blister... I have a little music, two dancers come
out first... I do a couple of leaps... a spotlite shines on my
Thumb and the Blister is shown. Do you think that's a little
too pretentious... and not as impromptu as it should be?
Msg #34947 Dated 23:58:39 02-25-92 34908 <--> 34951
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
If you don't read read read read read read, watch watch watch watch
what has gone before YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE.
Msg #34948 Dated 23:58:42 02-25-92 34910 <--> 34985
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: DESERT MAGIC
Just Cruise Hollywood Blvd., and you will be bombarded with
passengers (oh, put sign on window "want ride to vegas?")
Msg #34949 Dated 23:58:46 02-25-92 34913 <--> 34950
From: PETE BIRO
To: JERRY BURTON (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Don't ONLY put in the FILES ... many don't know how to get 'em....
Msg #34950 Dated 23:58:49 02-25-92 34914 <--> 34956
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: WHERE WOULD WE BE
Actually, few people can ever do material as good as the creator,
'cause they don't really KNOW ENOUGH about the real presentation
the creator had in mind.
Msg #34951 Dated 23:58:53 02-25-92 34915 <--> 34953
From: PETE BIRO
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Darned if I know... all I know is when highlighted a directory,
(Procomm) the lower window showed 'NO FILES'... scared the woo woo
out of me... I exited, went into Norton to see if I needed to do
the UNERASE procedure (which works like a champ) and darned if
all the files were OK... musta been some fluke message error? ARgh.
Msg #34952 Dated 23:57:00 02-25-92 34917 <--> 34954
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: T A WATERS (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
Nick Charles had a pretty reasonable approach. When I was in high
school, I had a teacher who, at home, used to shoot flies off the walls
and ceiling, using a 22. On weekends, a few friends and I used to go
out to the swamps with him to shoot water moccasins (the snakes, not
the shoes). He was a great influence on me - thank you for reminding
me of him.
Msg #34953 Dated 0:02:20 02-26-92 34930 <--> 34986
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Mac's are little more than Windows in a funny little box. Big Mac's
are little more than Windows in a funny big box. You want excitement,
get an Amiga.
Msg #34954 Dated 0:05:27 02-26-92 34932 <--> 35122
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: ETHICS DIALOGUE
OK - would be GOOD to post the final DMS schedule here for everyone.
I was just gonna save you the work if you wanted to faxe it to me.
But tomorrow may be unreliable - Nathan came home sick from school
today and I have a funny feeling I'm not gonna get much work done
tomorrow.
Msg #34955 Dated 0:08:06 02-26-92 34937 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: MAGIC
Yeah, well, maybe the stage itself is wooden, but there is more room to
do stuff. The Sahara stage was too wide and not very tall - it was
like cinemascope with no headroom. And the backstage area was
horrible.
Msg #34958 Dated 0:16:21 02-26-92 34407 <-
From: FRANK ZAK
To: DOC EASON (X)
Re: MAJ
Thanks. Hope you can get down this way soon.
Msg #34959 Dated 0:17:04 02-26-92 34413 <--> 35673
From: FRANK ZAK
To: SCOTT CRAM (X)
Re: VACATION
Let me know how to get in touch with you. I will be staying with Bill
Okal. He lives in Berkely.
Msg #34972 Dated 2:18:37 02-26-92 -> 34988
From: MAX MAVEN
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: XTREE MYSTERY
I can tell you what you did to get the "No files!" message in Xtree.
You must have hit "F" (for Filespec), then another letter. What this
did was to inform the program that you "wanted" to see listed only
those files which consisted of that latter letter for their names --
and of course, there weren't any, hence the "No files!" message.
Msg #34973 Dated 2:20:29 02-26-92 34888 <--> 35033
From: MAX MAVEN
To: CY KELLER (X)
Re: ORIGINALITY
Your definition of Bizarre Magick would seem to be extremely narrow.
The percentage of goetic performers whose work fits that description is
close to nil.
Msg #34975 Dated 5:52:48 02-26-92
From: CHARLIE RANDALL
To: TABBY CRABB (X)
Re: NO SALE
Tabby, hope you are doing ok. Man, if you don't absolutely have to
sell your library - don't. The worst thing about being in the used
book business is having to see someone sell their library. It's an
emotional thing. I know it sounds corny, but it's true. Only sale,
once you know you no longer want or need it.
Regarding FFFF, I'm suppose to room with Charlie MacFarland, a local
guy. He's the Continental pilot David heard about. Pretty good
close-up guy, does some trade-show work when he's not busy flying. I
don't know just what Charlie has arranged, but if need be, I'd bet we
could squeeze you in. I'm really looking forward to FFFF. I hope we
can spend some more time with Mike and learn some more really great
stuff.
Later,
Charlie
Msg #34976 Dated 7:32:09 02-26-92 -> 34979
From: MARVIN STERN
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (X)
Re: THURS
Was looking forward to going together, but it won't work out this time.
So, we'll see you there. Don't be too late, as you want to look around
before it starts.
Msg #34980 Dated 7:41:34 02-26-92 34041 <--> 34983
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISKETTES
No, but I could go get one. The thing is, I know it is a 1.44 drive
because I have a bunch of diskettes here that have backup data on them
which was done on fastback, before I crashed the hard drive that time.
Theses diskettes which worked before, do not work now. Nonetheless,
I'll pick up a couple 720's and try to format them.
Oh, another thing. I have a tape drive..And if I change the driver
command in the config.sys, the machine goes to the tape drive when I
boot up, and gets lost in no man's land.
Msg #34981 Dated 7:45:08 02-26-92 34042 <--> 34982
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Ok, I'll take it in to the shop.. I just hate being without the
machine. And was hoping I could solve the problem without going
anywhere. I really appreciate all your help
Msg #34982 Dated 7:46:09 02-26-92 34060 <--> 34984
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Hey Pete, how have you been? Yes, I have tried Norton, PC Tools, and a
couple other gizmos, but to no avail.
Msg #34983 Dated 7:46:09 02-26-92 34980 <--> 34991
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: DISKETTES
I wasn't suspecting that the drive wasn't a 1.44, I just wanted to see
if the controller and drive were able to handle a 720. That might tell
us that at least the messages were going OK between the controller and
the drive. Yeah, it shouldn't want to talk to the tape drive on boot
up. I hate to say it, but, more and more, it sounds like Award should
get a look at the beast. They're the ones you have the credit with?
Msg #34984 Dated 7:48:56 02-26-92 34981 <--> 34992
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Sorry we couldn't resolve the problem over the phone, but there are
just too many places to look and it is hard without seeing the machine
itself. Guess I fail the test for psychic surgery!
Msg #34985 Dated 7:51:32 02-26-92 34927 <--> 34989
From: PETE BIRO
To DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DESERT MAGIC
I wrote a joke about the Plan MacDonalds had about using robots
to cook the burgers and wuz going to FAX it to Leno. It was...
"I see MacDonalds has been working with the Japanese to develope
a Robot to cook burgers... They have it almost perfect... just need
to make one with PIMPLES!"
.
Before I could send it he did almost the same gag, line for line
on the Tonight Show... Great minds thinking alike?
Msg #34986 Dated 7:51:41 02-26-92 34953 <--> 34990
From: PETE BIRO
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
I KNOW I KNOW... my friend the sells AMIGAs to the guys at TRW
showed me what it could do... except it didn't have Ventura Pub
and that's why I went for the dumb clone... ARgh....
.
Boy, what I really want is the Apple POWERBOOK. The editor of
MICROTIMES does the entire magazine on her lap!!! Doesn't even use
a desk!
.
HAH...FAX COMING IN FROM ITALY... SILVAN... HAS JUST SIGNED ANOTHER
ONE YEAR CONTRACT WITH GRUNDIG... doing their TV Commercials all
over Europe... BIG MONETA... he is featured in a life-size cutout
and a comic book that he says is selling as good as Mickey Mouse
comic... which is No. 1 in Italy.
Msg #34988 Dated 7:51:59 02-26-92 34972 <-
From: PETE BIRO
To: MAX MAVEN (X)
Re: XTREE MYSTERY
XTREE MYSTERY SOLVED... you are probably correcto... I was still
half asleep and when I saw the NO FILES msg -- it was HOLY Cow time.
Argh... just got a fax from Silvan... moments ago with some very
early reference (I think) is in Italian... about another written
record on the Linking rings... written by Tomaso Garzoni. Whoever
he is??? Now I got more work to do. ARgh...
Msg #34989 Dated 7:55:54 02-26-92 34985 <-
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: DESERT MAGIC
OK, but if great minds think alike, howcum I got involved in this robot
joke?
Msg #34990 Dated 7:57:28 02-26-92 34986 <--> 35007
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: PETE BIRO (X)
Re: RESTROOMS
Congrats to Silvan on the Grundig deal! Nice to hear that somebody is
workin'.
Msg #34991 Dated 8:04:02 02-26-92 34983 <--> 35008
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISKETTES
David:
I just ran a few 720's through. They work fine. I didn't try to
format them because they have data on them. But if I do a dir it lists
the files. And when I do a chkdsk, I get the info. But on a 1.44, I get
a general failure message.
On the credit - No it is not with Award. It is with a local
distributor from an X-mas show.
Msg #34992 Dated 8:06:22 02-26-92 34984 <--> 34995
From: HARRISON CARROLL
To: DAVID LICHTMAN (SYSOP) (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Hey, I appreciate the try. I'm totally confused. I have one other
chance. I'll take those backed up disks to a friend and see if I can
get a look at the config.sys from those back-ups. Maybe there is some
small thing I'm overlooking. Anyway, Thanks again.
Msg #34995 Dated 8:47:42 02-26-92 34992 <--> 35001
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: HARRISON CARROLL (X)
Re: DISKETTES
Getting a look at the old config.sys would be great! This is one of
those things where you have to look at a piece at a time and try and
puzzle it out.
Msg #34996 Dated 8:49:53 02-26-92 -> 35004
From: DAVID LICHTMAN (Sysop)
To: ALL
Re: ARGH! IN TECHY HEAVEN
Today ain't gonna be too great! Nathan is home sick and I ain't
feeling too good myself. We're reduced to sitting on the sofa, eating
peanuts and watching Sesame Street. And what I've really gotta be
doing is filing off some MAGIC! messages, 'cause we are running out of
message space around here, while what I really _should_ be doing is
figuring out a way to earn a few bucks to pay the bills.
(Note: ARGH! is tm, Biro, all rites reserved).
Msg #34999 Dated 11:06:41 02-26-92 -> 35002
From: ARNAUD VANRIETSCHOTEN
To: KEVIN E CURTIN (X)
Re: MESSAGE
MAGIC!-NL Mon 24 Feb 92 23:03
Lynn Healy posted the following msg:
re: Carlos O'Brien's in Riverside -- I also remember a place that
was in the financial district in San Francisco: Carlos
Goldstein's. No, they didn't have sour cream and lox burritos!
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